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Ed Schultz is at it again, on his show last night he threatened to withhold support for Democrats if they touch the Big Three. He did this in 2010 when talking about Dems not extending unemployment insurance passed 99 weeks.

And I'm announcing today, I'm not gonna vote in the midterm. I'm not gonna do it! You can say it's un-American. No, it's rather revolutionary is what it is. I'm at that point. I'm checking out. I'm checking out of the Democrats because they are proving to me that they don't know how to handle these big babies over on the right that say no. You know what  you do? You get in the driver's seat, you hit the throttle and you run over 'em. That's what you do. And the Democrats just don't have the guts to politically do that. So they have to be taught a lesson.
It was ridiculous then and it was the last thing we needed that year as Koch fueled campaigns took over precious state governments as well as the House. Now he's writing a bullshit legacy for President Obama that ignores the fact that he expanded Medicaid by $1.03 trillion over this and the next 9 years with the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Add on top of that strengthening Medicare and the expansion of sCHIP and what you get is the legacy of the best friend the big 3 have had in fifty years.

I'm not sure if Ed is grandstanding for attention or maybe he just doesn't know what's in the ACA. But  he should check it out, it's already a wild success politically. This week extreme right wing governor Jan Brewer is pushing her state to accept an expansion of Medicaid. Can you imagine a better policy than one that gets right wingers to expand the safety net? She said, "the human cost of this tragedy can’t be calculated!" Jan Brewer worried about human cost!! Unreal right! Right? Ed? The lady that would rather private prisons profit than have dark skinned people walk the streets without regular attempts to arrest them is now pushing for those people to get more free government healthcare (outside of prisons) in Arizona!

The right says Obama's a big spender for things he's actually done, the left now says he's a big cutter for things he's willing to do. But both sides can't see the forest for the trees. This President is a pragmatic progressive, he bounces from injustice to injustice in order of magnitude of need and he deals with each crisis according to the tools we provide. When he had a good Congress he worked to write into law a vast expansion and upgrade of the safety net. Now that there's an orange hand on the purse-strings and electoral maps through 2021 designed to elect similar men, it's a lot tougher. We still have more tools left besides trashing our friends, distorting the truth or giving up. We're smarter than that, we've been through worse than this, and we have injustices with far greater magnitude to focus on.

UPDATE: Great comment from TopCat

Can anyone imagine (2+ / 0-)
Dr. King threatening to not show up or actually not show up? The Freedom Riders not showing up? Call these people anything you want but don't call them Liberals. Liberals show up, without fail.

by TopCat on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:10:17 PM PST

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  •  Tip Jar (15+ / 0-)

    You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

    by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:21:58 PM PST

  •  ratings (4+ / 0-)

    Ed's pretty far down the list, even if you look at only MSNBC, and pissing off liberals has proven to be a good way to get more people to watch. Just ask FOX.

  •  Ed can be kind of a gas bag. That's a hollow (10+ / 0-)

    threat.  I just posted about Franke and other Dems signing onto Bernie Sanders plan to strengthen Social Security, it's on the rec list:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Plus he'll change his mind when Ashley Judd decides to run for Senate.

    Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

    by poopdogcomedy on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:28:20 PM PST

  •  Ed's audience is the 'Hair on Fire' Far Left (9+ / 0-)

    I don't think he believes his own BS that often.

    Agree, Obama is vastly under appreciated.

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:29:56 PM PST

    •  Actualluy, no. (0+ / 0-)

      This leftist recognized long ago that Ed is all gas and no substance.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:48:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  His roots are in talk radio (6+ / 0-)

    so he'll always go for the over-the-top rant.  

  •  This place has way too much focus on personalities (3+ / 0-)
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    The "nt" didn't fit up there.

  •  Ed just isn't that bright and he doesn't grasp (8+ / 0-)

    policy that well. He also loves that hair-on-fire nonsense that works better in GOP land. Unfortunately, he is not the only host who has been saying for ages now that Obama is going to cut the big 3. The Obama is a sellout nonsense has been pushed on MSNBC since his win in 2008.

    President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

    by askew on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:37:30 PM PST

  •  This President is not a "pragmatic progressive." (15+ / 0-)

    He is more in line politely with what once called a moderate Republican.

    Plato's " The Cave" taught me to question reality.

    by CTDemoFarmer on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:41:13 PM PST

    •  Then why is Obamacare also Ted Kennedy's legacy? (8+ / 0-)

      Is he a moderate Republican too?

      You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

      by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:45:32 PM PST

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      •  Always ::Crickets:: on this (7+ / 0-)

        People here love to call Obama a Republican, even though he got the Liberal Lion's lifetime efforts turned into law. I wonder why the dichotomy of treatment for these two Democrats.

        You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

        by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 03:39:00 PM PST

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      •  NCLB is also Ted Kennedy's legacy. (1+ / 0-)
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        Why do you confuse Ted Kennedy with leftist infallibility?

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:49:36 PM PST

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        •  Not leftist infallability, leftism. (1+ / 0-)
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          Or do you think Ted Kennedy was a moderate Republican too?

          You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

          by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:01:16 PM PST

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          •  I think he was a very confused (2+ / 0-)
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            and fallible human being, and only about half as smart as people gave him credit for,

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:02:51 PM PST

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            •  I love this answer! (2+ / 0-)
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              Me: Was Kennedy a liberal?
              You: He was confused.

              But Obama, you know for sure he's a moderate Republican.

              You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

              by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:29:01 PM PST

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              •  If Kennedy had been less confused (0+ / 0-)

                he would've been more consistently liberal.  At least he saw through Carter. :-)

                As for Obama, the red shift has been such that "liberal Democrats" are, with a couple of hard-won social battles (Obama's reluctance to sign onto just about any aspect of LGBT rights being only the crest of the wave), to the right of Rockefeller Republicans.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:43:18 PM PST

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                •  oops, I left out an "excepted." (0+ / 0-)

                  You'll know where it goes. :-)

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:43:48 PM PST

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      •  Obama is willing to put SS on the table for repubs (3+ / 0-)

        Then repubs can skewer dems for cutting SS.  Ed doesn't want SS touched and Obama continues to offer SS cuts to the repubs which will give them a hammer to attack dems. What's so wrong w/Ed standing up for SS in the face of Obama's offer to cut SS's inflation adjustment?

        Don't believe everything you think.

        by BrianParker14 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 07:46:18 PM PST

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        •  What's wrong is we hear about these cuts to SS (1+ / 0-)
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          every week around here... and he's never done it. And there's no evidence Republicans are willing to do a grand bargain that would include these cuts. We're headed to a repeat of 2014 as liberal commentators drum up news about the horrors of Obama, which never materialize, what does materialize is a lot of Sarah Palin style quittin on the activist left as Barack Obama fails benchmarks of purity no President would have passed.

          You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

          by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 07:59:35 PM PST

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          •  Why should we have to rely on the GOP... (3+ / 0-)

            ...to avert a Grand Bargain that cuts earned benefits?

            I'm so old that I remember when Democrats were the ones to block such cuts--rather than the ones proposing them.

            And I'm not willing to bet that the GOP will turn down offers like the one they rejected in 2011: Medicare at age 67 in exchange for a lowered top tax rate. The Dems were stupid to offer it, and the GOP was stupid to reject it.

    •  Maybe, but we are seeing real progressivity. (3+ / 0-)
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      Don't make me copy the LIST again.

      "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

      by shrike on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:45:37 PM PST

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    •  Maybe. But what was once called moderate (1+ / 0-)
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      Republicans are far to the left of modern Republican party.

    •  People have to understand that Obama keeps (2+ / 0-)
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      offering chained CPI.  It will affect seniors and disabled military vets.  I think it is criminal.  

      Oil corporations get tons of money even though they are making billions but we have to cut the CPI of Seniors and military vets.

      Bernanke told Obama in 2009 that SS needed to be in the market.  The catfood commission was Obama's idea.  He listens to those 2 old foggies that have plenty of pensions to take care of themselves.  He also listens to Pete Peterson who also wants the big 3 cut.

      If Obama touches the big 3 it will be over for him.  People will no longer support him.  Seniors and military veterans will be hurt.  Are you kidding me?  chained CPI is Obama's and Obama keeps offering it up.  This will also affect people much younger who have aged parents and their parent's won't be getting the money they planned and counted on.  Remember when regular CPI is calculated it doesn't take food, medical bills, medication, heat.  These are things that seniors and vets don't always have the money to take care of and they will have to ask their children to please help them.

      Stop listening to Obama's campaign rhetoric and look at his actions.  Obama intends to dump on seniors and veterans and it will hurt.  Obama is still shuffling the money to the top 1% and corporations as they get paid for shipping our jobs overseas.  Obama has never tried to stop it.  Just used rhetoric.

      Obama is not a "pragmatic progressive."  Obama is a DLC corporatist  - moderate Republican and surrounds himself with bankers.  Bankers and the stock market as well as GOP want the big 3 taken down and Obama intends to make that happen.

  •  Good ole Fair Weather Ed. nt (6+ / 0-)

    "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

    by second gen on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:41:59 PM PST

  •  about the 2010 midterms . . . i believe there was (3+ / 0-)
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    a discernable LACK of turnout among a-a's in that election.

    is the diarist blaming ed schultz for the r's takeover of the house b/c a-a's failed to turn out in the same numbers as they did in 2008?

    •  I said it didn't help then, and it doesnt help now (7+ / 0-)

      The difference between this place in 2008 and 2010 was dramatic as well. We went from supporting any Dem that could win to just a handful of races (Kentucky and Arkansas primarily). It's not just about pulling a lever, there's GOTV, fundraising, more to it than just who showed up. You can't spend 12 months or more calling Dems sellouts and corporatists and then vote and say don't blame me I voted for em!!

      You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

      by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:51:44 PM PST

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      •  You can't brag about cuts to Social Security (11+ / 0-)

        without people of retirement age taking you seriously and seriously staying home.

        Ed is not the problem.

        •  So does Obama get credit for cutting the defense (2+ / 0-)
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          budget then? Since he cut it's rate of increase (like chained CPI proposes to do to SS).

          You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

          by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 03:51:51 PM PST

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          •  I don't care what else he does (9+ / 0-)

            If he cuts Social Security benefits, I'm going to hold the entire party accountable.  I will vote on this issue.  

            It doesn't do me any good if he cuts Defense and also cuts my Social Security.   If he cuts Defense and increases my Social Security, I'll be happy to GOTV.  

            This is not a theoretical exercise for people.  It directly impacts the amount of money they will receive every month for the rest of their lives.  

            •  That's just not true (3+ / 0-)
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              It affects them until the next time we change the way SS operates, if in fact it ever gets changed at all, there's no evidence Republicans are interested in a Grand Bargain.

              President Barack Obama has greatly expanded the social safety net, if you don't get yours, I'm sorry, but for the vast majority he's going to have done a lot of good. Far more than minor temporary adjustments to SS increases ever could. Especially if his "base" gives up on him, Republicans will make less than a full SS increase seem like a dream come true.

              You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

              by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:12:24 PM PST

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              •  Until the next time?? HA! (4+ / 0-)

                You mean like how Clinton and Obama reversed the Reagan changes?  Oh no!  If we do not draw a line in the sand now, they'll be making changes next time all right, they'll be raising the eligibility age of both Social Security and Medicare.  

                You are calling them temporary changes.  And if enacted, that's just a lie.  The changes have increasing impact over time so it would be pointless to enact the changes as temporary measures. They are not intended to be temporary and if Obama supporters are going to lie about that, they deserve nothing but contempt.  This is a big part of the problem.  They call the changes "superlative CPI" instead of telling the truth about what that does to benefits.

                You can vote your issues.  I will vote mine.   And I don't vote for people who try to con me either.  You lose my trust on a core issue like Social Security and you may never get it back.

                •  Thank you greenbell, I'm amazed at how quickly (4+ / 0-)

                  some here are willing to take a cut into SS as just another compromise or negotiating tool.  It's far more than that and Ed is a terrific supporter of not touching SS.  I just don't see how anyone who claims to be a Democrat can justify any use of SS as a negotiating too.  SS is not in danger.  Pete Peterson has spent hundreds of millions of dollars (ie Fix the Debt and his paid sycophants Simpson/Bowles/Ed Rendell etc) to make confused people believe it is a problem.

                  Don't believe everything you think.

                  by BrianParker14 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:03:26 PM PST

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              •  I'm sorry, but you are a dreamer. President Obama (2+ / 0-)
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                will make the grand bargain and please his advisor, Gene Sperling, and all the Repubs will be so happy.  Even the Progressive Caucus could not get all their members to sign on the letter of opposition to the cuts.  So, why are we to not expect the Grand Bargain, made in secret, that will cut our benefits with the chained CPI?  It's too much in the prevailing conversation as a given. I hear it every day that some cuts will be agreed to, and it is that CPI bargain.  One must pay attention and make calls to stop it.

          •  Uhhhh... (5+ / 0-)
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            when did he "cut" the defense budget? cutting planned increases have nothing to do with the meat of the DOD budget, which is massively bloated and absurd.

            is he stopping the insane F-35 program? they're all grounded due to an engine problem.

            cost thus far: over one TRILLION dollars.

            "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

            by Superpole on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:07:06 PM PST

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            •  That's the point (3+ / 0-)
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              He cut the rate of increase, which is what the chained CPI plans to do with SS. But nobody mistakes that with actually cutting defense spending. Yet in this comment section, a cut to a rate of increase for SS is treated as a cut.

              You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

              by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:14:57 PM PST

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              •  Right (4+ / 0-)
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                PHONY defense "cuts", while furloughing military and non military personnel (PAY CUT) on bases is OK with "progressives" in bloggo world.

                weak, very weak.

                again: NO difference between the repugs and "democrats" on this horseshit approach.

                "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

                by Superpole on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:20:50 PM PST

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                •  It's not OK (0+ / 0-)

                  That's why I worked to keep Nancy Pelosi as Speaker instead of spending my time complaining about the horrors of the corporatist legislation she was enacting. And why I continue to believe sending a message to Dems about their shortcomings is a luxury we'd be stupid to pursue.

                  You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

                  by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:28:28 PM PST

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              •  It's a cut (10+ / 0-)

                and you can lie about that all you want but that is a rotten to the core thing to do with an issue as important to the American people and to the Democratic Party as Social Security.  Weasel spin and sneaky deceptive deceitful frames doesn't cut it and when people find out how you've lied to them, they never trust again.  This about how much people receive as a direct deposit into their bank account every month.  Seniors know to the penny what they get.   This isn't something you can be cute about.  

                •  It's not about being cute, it's about being honest (0+ / 0-)

                  This is math and politics. Chained CPI doesn't cut what seniors get, it decreases the amount MORE that they would get. And it absolutely can be superceded, either by Democrats who take control of all 3 houses again in the future and raise the cap on high earners or Republicans who take control when you all give up on Dems.

                  Seniors should also know to the penny why we're here... and it's because their generation built this economic and political system. They saw Reagan and Clinton, Bush and Bush tear this nation to shreds and yet they are itching to walk out on Obama? I don't buy that story.

                  You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

                  by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:55:37 PM PST

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                  •  You're saying Clinton helped tear this nation (0+ / 0-)

                    to shreds? ;-))))

                    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                    by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:00:38 PM PST

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                    •  Deregulation of Wall Street vs chained CPI (0+ / 0-)

                      Case Closed

                      You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

                      by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:03:24 PM PST

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                      •  I look forward to hearing (2+ / 0-)
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                        what you have to say about President Obama in about ten years.

                        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                        by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:05:12 PM PST

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                        •  I already made my prediction for 2023 (1+ / 0-)
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                          It will be the next time we have a chance again of doing as well as we did from 2009-2010, the goddamn golden years of Progressivism in my lifetime. I'll give you the straight dirt right now about what I think of Barack Obama. His fatal flaw was underestimating his opposition and overestimating his allies. He should have realized the latter would give up on him easily and the former never would.

                          You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

                          by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:14:53 PM PST

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                          •  You're right in saying that his opposition (0+ / 0-)

                            will never give up on him.  Why should it?  

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 06:20:29 PM PST

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                  •  They've already received a cut w/shrubs re- (2+ / 0-)
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                    definition of what the Cost of Living Index includes.  It no longer includes food or the cost of energy.
                    If they are expected to take a further cut to help balance the deficit it's an outrageous affront.  SS has no impact on the deficit and you've been bought by the billion dollars Pete Peterson has spent to confuse and delude the issue.
                    This should not even be in the conversation.  Can't imagine any informed Democrat even considering SS in the discussion!

                    Don't believe everything you think.

                    by BrianParker14 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:09:59 PM PST

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          •  Typical False Equivalency (3+ / 0-)
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            Cuts to bloated defense budget is no comparison to SS we have all paid into.  That is a typical righty comparison.  There are a zillion reasons not to compare the two.

            Don't believe everything you think.

            by BrianParker14 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 07:55:42 PM PST

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      •  You attack the left and cater to the Republicans (6+ / 0-)

        just like they did in 2010 and you still can't figure out what is wrong? Some people are slow learners. On top of that you have the nerve to blame the left after you attack them?

        Some people have short memories

        by lenzy1000 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:53:44 PM PST

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  •  I'm not a single-issue voter, (14+ / 0-)

    Tipping 75 in a couple of weeks, the so-called "superlative" chained cpi is going to cost me the value of 1/2 of one Earned Benefits check each year. That's a hefty amount when you're a widow on fixed income and you know as well as you know the name of your firstborn that not one damned dime of the deficit can be attributed to Social Security.

    As I wrote to the president, only this morning:

    The CPI is already inefficient in measuring the goods seniors purchase. How does one "buy down" when you're already purchasing the cheapest generic drugs available, Mr. President?
    It's really not as if seniors haven't taken it in the shorts every since the Wall Street Debacle.

    "grand bargain" my arse

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:46:10 PM PST

  •  It's because of whiney democrats like Ed that (8+ / 0-)

    my great state of Wisconsin has entered the toilet zone. Did he ever think that if the whiners would have not stayed home in 2010, more democrats would be in office today to make sure shit like this didn't happen? Did any of them think??

    If I don't like what's being done, I'm still a democrat, but I work harder to get better democrats elected, not less. Thanks a lot, Ed. I can only imagine where my great state will be in the next election cycle.

    I'm a Democrat 1st, and a Liberal 2nd.

    by Laurilei on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:48:40 PM PST

  •  President Obama is a progressive? (5+ / 0-)

    Sorry, no. He is a good president in a tough position and has done a lot of good. However, he is emphatically not a progressive.

    And if Jan Brewer's willingness to be bought off is the best case you have to make, then I don't feel you have much of a case.

    I won't believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. Leo Gerard.

    by tgrshark13 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:59:27 PM PST

  •  It looks like Medicaid may remain untouched (5+ / 0-)

    but if President Obama does cut Social Security and Medicare benefits, then that will be a huge part of his legacy - the bad part of his legacy at least.

    Yes, he'll be remembered for Obamacare (assuming it is executed well and produces good results; but there's always the possibility it becomes a fiasco) and the Stimulus and DADT repeal, among many others.  And I do believe that these accomplishments will make him one of the great progressive presidents in history, especially if Obamacare turns out to be a huge success.

    But cutting benefits for seniors over an over-hyped problem (the debt) will also be something Obama is remembered for, and I predict not in a good way.

    “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

    by puakev on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 03:05:51 PM PST

  •  It's the "I'll stay home" talk... (4+ / 0-)

    That gave too many states - and thus the House due to gerrymandering - to the republicans in 2010. The answer is not to withdraw, but to engage. Sadly, too many people are happier being critics than being constructive forces. We don't need the left's version of Limbaugh, we need left wing media voices that shape the debate.

    Anyone can throw bricks; it takes effort to take those bricks and build something lasting. Count me as a builder, not a thrower.

    No, you can't fix stupid. You OUTNUMBER stupid. -Wildthumb, 1/10/2013

    by newinfluence on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 03:58:19 PM PST

  •  Can anyone imagine (3+ / 0-)
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    Dr. King threatening to not show up or actually not show up? The Freedom Riders not showing up? Call these people anything you want but don't call them Liberals. Liberals show up, without fail.

  •  I'm a Progressive and I want to talk about reform. (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm tired of people telling me that we cannot even talk about reform.

    I remember as kid when there was a bunch of talking about a deal to fix Social Security. I wasn't yet in the workforce, but I do remember my parents telling me that I'd have to work a couple of years longer than they had to work. Two years way in the future doesn't sound like much to a teenager.

    What they didn't tell me was that this extension was a cut in my benefits!

    Now I'm told that I shouldn't talk about what to do about whether or not SS will only be able to pay 3/4's benefit in 20 years!

    So no, I will not tell President Obama not to talk reform because those of us scheduled to retire after 2033 will be getting hosed again. I don't like CPI, I favor raising more revenue and increasing benefits.

    Big Ed is just making money and I'm pretty sure he will not be around to make up that huge benefit cut that is headed my way.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:24:10 PM PST

  •  Thank goodness that Ed Schultz has (6+ / 0-)

    some scruples and principles left.

    Ed Schultz is a tool for the Democratic Party.  He wants access, so he cow-tails to get it.  We see that all the time.

    In the past I guess it's five or six months, Schultz has boosted that no one carries more water for Obama and the Democrats than he does.

    Thanks goodness he has a heart, he cares about people more than his ratings.

    Very nice to see.  Finally.  I hope that the multimillionaire Maddow follows suit.  We'll see.  

  •  Can anyone imagine this? I can. That's Obama. (6+ / 0-)
    Republicans also believe that supplemental Medicare insurance — typically called “Medigap” policies — are increasing costs because they often wipe out any co-pays or deductibles for seniors. Orrin Hatch, the top Republican on the Senate committee that manages Medicare, has taken particular aim at these plans. “Multiple studies have found the Medigap policyholders use about 25 percent more services than Medicare enrollees who have no supplemental coverage, and about 10 percent more services than enrollees who have employer-sponsored retiree coverage,” he notes in a policy paper.


    The administration agrees that Medigap policies are a problem. It’s proposed a 15 percent surcharge on Medigap policies that cover first-dollar expenses. The idea is to make those policies less attractive to seniors. Privately, administration officials say they’d be willing to go quite a bit further.

    •  You're as productive as ever (2+ / 0-)
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      When Obama was passing new reforms into law he was the h0rrible corporatist, now he's the austerian-in-chief, next he'll be out of office and you'll realize you were nothing but a wet blanket cross-to-bear throughout the best Progressive era since the Warren court. This is as good as it gets till 2023 at the earliest, thanks in no small part to "progressives" that spent 2010 telling the black President why he just isn't one of them.

      You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

      by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 04:45:57 PM PST

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      •  That's sickening. (5+ / 0-)
        This is as good as it gets till 2023 at the earlies
      •  Oh, by and the way: "The black president." (3+ / 0-)
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        Race plays no part in policies and issues.  

        •  It feels like it does (1+ / 0-)
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          Why is Ted Kennedy a liberal lion, when his legacy is Obamacare and working across the aisle, and Obama is a moderate Republican for doing the same things?

          You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

          by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:14:01 PM PST

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          •  Obama said he was a moderate republican. (1+ / 0-)
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            And if you're going to use race regarding policies and issues, that's very sad.

            •  Terrific dodge of the issue at hand (1+ / 0-)
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              Obama described himself as a moderate Republican because he was in favor of Ted Kennedy's approach to healthcare reform, i.e. allowing health insurance companies to exist but under tighter regulations, and insuring nearly everyone by providing subsidies to insurance companies along with an expansion of Medicaid. So why is Ted Kennedy a liberal lion, but Obama is a moderate Republican when they believed and acted in the same way.

              You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

              by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 05:37:08 PM PST

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          •  would be great actually (3+ / 0-)

            if he was a 'moderate' Republican (which at this point is extinct) but instead he a by-partisan corporate Third Way guy. As for Obamacare it's more Bob Dole's or Max Baucus's legacy then Teddy's. As for Ted Kennedy being the Liberal Lion, he actually roared across the aisle, even took on the Democratic machine when necessary. He was a moderate liberal Democrat who fought for democratic principles and people instead of some more obscene wealth for Well Point Inc. Kind of a dirty trick to try and hang this health insurance subsidy which is not affordable on Ted Kenendy. He was very ill and old when the health care debacle went down.

            Ed's not the only one who's disgusted with the Democrat's grand bargain and austerity kabuki. Blaming liberals or 'progressives' for 2010 is just bs. the data proves your wrong. Yelling at people who care want an economy that is fit to live in, want a real affordable option to health care for profit doesn't get them to vote Democratic. Cutting social services, SS and imposing austerity and manufacturing bogus defict/debt crises with their endless cliffs of mass deception will put a real damper on voter enthusiasm.

            The Democratic party either fights for people instead of the 'too big's' or it will lose. This administration has no intention of doing anything that addresses the people's righteous grievances. All they work for is the fraudster's in the FIRE industries. The economy we all have to live and work is nothing but a profit loss the these free market fundies and their inevitable 'world as we find it'. Good on Ed, now he's a moderate Republican.  

            •  Nice try!! (1+ / 0-)
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              The first time around Kennedy wanted to compromise with Nixon on a plan similar to Obamacare

              Ted Kennedy, whom Nixon assumed would be his rival in the next election, made universal health care his signature issue. Kennedy proposed a single-payer, tax-based system. Nixon strongly opposed that on the grounds that it was un-American and would put all health care “under the heavy hand of the federal government.”

              Instead, Nixon proposed a plan that required employers to buy private health insurance for their employees and gave subsidies to those who could not afford insurance. Nixon argued that this market-based approach would build on the strengths of the private system.

              “Government has a great role to play, he said, “but we must always make sure that our doctors will be working for their patients and not for the federal government.”

              No one breathed a word at the time about Nixon’s plan being unconstitutional. Instead, it faced opposition from Democrats who insisted on “single-payer.”

              Over time, Kennedy realized his own plan couldn’t succeed. Opposition from the insurance companies was too great. So Kennedy dispatched his staffers to meet secretly with Nixon’s people to broker a compromise. Kennedy came close to backing Nixon’s plan, but turned away at the last minute, under pressure from the unions. Then Watergate hit and took Nixon down. Kennedy said later that walking away from that deal was one of the biggest mistakes of his life.

              In 1979 Kennedy announced his own health insurance subsidy plan

              http://en.wikipedia.org/...

              In May 1979, Kennedy proposed a new bipartisan universal national health insurance bill—choice of competing federally-regulated private health insurance plans with no cost sharing financed by income-based premiums via an employer mandate and individual mandate, replacement of Medicaid by government payment of premiums to private insurers, and enhancement of Medicare by adding prescription drug coverage and eliminating premiums and cost sharing.

              You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

              by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 07:50:07 PM PST

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            •  You forgot to give me a sweet list of TK's (1+ / 0-)
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              laws. The ones that showed the way to do things right, that Obama just never could figure out.

              I doubt you'll include the Health Maintenance Act of 1971 that he sponsored.
              Oh my... he supported the war in Vietnam too... that's liberalism to you?

              You Hate Cuts 2 Medicare? Do You Love Obamacare? It added $1 trillion to Medicaid.

              by CornSyrupAwareness on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:10:53 PM PST

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        •  Except for the fact that it will be seniors who (4+ / 0-)

          have not had the equal opportunity to inherit or accumulate wealth who will be most adversely impacted by cuts to Social Security and Medicare because they will not have the assets to make up for the declining monthly benefits or the increased co-pays.  So there will actually be a racial impact to the cuts.

      •  No. It isn't "as good as it gets"... (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm more optimistic in our country and its ability to foment change when necessary. I refuse to buy into the nihilism that this is the best we can do.

        And you have the damn nerve to blame those wanting to protect earned benefits for your nihilism? The "pragmatists" have done more to throw this country in the gutter than the GOP whose principles they're so fond of adopting in the name of "political reality."

    •  Oh my Gawd (5+ / 0-)

      Multiple studies by who and for what?  

      We are going to be so screwed.  And I don't know where we are going to find people to stand up and fight for us.

      All they want to do is to prevent seniors from getting medical care.  What a win when we deny them care.  How serious we are.  

      Are you kidding?  Bush Sr spent 2 full months in the hospital with his bronchitis but all the serious people are zealously fixated on making sure that there is no middle class senior left in the United States.  

      Let Obama cut health care for his own family.  

  •  What? No Mention of Drones?! (0+ / 0-)

    I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

    by howarddream on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:01:31 PM PST

  •  Ed has a tendency to grandstand and generally (0+ / 0-)

    make an ass out of himself.  The good thing is not a lot of people pay attention to him.  He was much better when I listened to him on the radio.  

    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    by thestructureguy on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:18:03 PM PST

  •  Progressives must be honest and clear! (1+ / 0-)
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    Medicare costs do have to be trimmed. And the work has already begun. But the changes should not change the program for recipients.

    Negotiating drug prices, creating a single set of billing codes for all users (a precursor to single payer), limiting the number of diagnostic facilities in a community (mine has probably 20 MRI places, each open about 7 hours a day!), requiring patients to have their own doctor (rather than the company's) prescribe $5000 electric wheelchairs (etc) are all steps in the right direction. Reducing co-pays for those willing to lose weight or stop smoking and paying primary physicians by the year rather than by the service go a lot farther.

    Every time someone writes "cut medicare costs" someone like Ed Schultz goes postal. Let's have a good discussion.

  •  Never have been an Ed fan. (1+ / 0-)
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    He seems to be an outrage merchant without the intellectual heft to articulate the points he makes.  Threatening not to vote or withhold support just makes it worse.

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