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Two major events today

firstly Four Daily Mirror Journalists arrested, first thing this morning.

Operation Weeting: four arrests over alleged Sunday Mirror phone hacking | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Four current or former Mirror Group Newspapers journalists, thought to have worked at the Sunday Mirror between 2003 and 2004, have been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to intercept telephone messages.

Detectives from the Metropolitan police arrested three men and a woman in what it alleged was a "separate conspiracy" to the phone-hacking scandal at the News of the World.

The four were all held in dawn raid arrests across London on Thursday and are being interviewed at police stations across the capital.

this includes the first national newspaper editor to be arrested (How the Suns editor hasn't so far as you would think he's financially responsible for all of the  illegal mpayments made under his watch)

Phone hacking: first serving national newspaper editor arrested | UK news | guardian.co.uk

The Sunday People editor, James Scott, is understood to have become the first serving newspaper editor arrested over alleged phone hacking, relating to his time at the Sunday Mirror a decade ago.

Scott was one of four former Sunday Mirror senior journalists understood to have arrested in dawn raids on Thursday. It is understood that Tina Weaver, the ex-Sunday Mirror editor, Nick Buckley, the deputy Sunday People editor, and Mark Thomas, the former People editor, were arrested along with Scott on suspicion of conspiracy to intercept voicemail messages.

The Metropolitan police said the alleged conspiracy mainly concerned the Trinity Mirror-owned Sunday Mirror between 2003 and 2004 as it announced a fresh arm of its major phone hacking inquiry.

and in other large news Talks on the implementation of Press regulation have this morning collapsed.  

David Cameron's press conference on Leveson: Politics live blog | Politics | guardian.co.uk

• David Cameron will asks MPs to vote for a "royal charter" model of press regulation. This has been dubbed Leveson lite, an attempt to introduce a new form of press self-regulation (as proposed by Leveson) with minimum legislation. There would be a new press regulatory body, overseen by a royal charter. Cameron said that this would be the most "workable" solution because there would be no point going for a tougher form of regulation that did not have the support of the press.

• Labour and the Liberal Democrats have both expressed disappointment that Cameron pulled the plug on the cross-party talks. Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg held a conference call on the phone for about half an hour at 9.45am this morning. Miliband and Clegg were suprised by Cameron's decision to push this to a vote now.

• Labour and the Lib Dems have not yet said how they will vote on Monday. If they combine forces, they can probably beat the Tories, because there are 304 Tories, 257 Labour MPs and 57 Lib Dem MPs, but only just - and we don't know how the minor parties would vote.

Cameron held a rather rattled press conference, in which he managed to fail to ask  any tabloid papers to ask questions.  (perhaps he's doing all the talking he needs to behind closed doors)

8:47 AM PT: Twitter / HackedOffHugh: Rumour in Westminster that ...

Rumour in Westminster that editor of Times instructed Cameron to call off talks. And our PM did as he was told. Murdoch rules. Still.

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  •  and in other news (12+ / 0-)

    Police officer charged with selling information to The Sun | PressGazette

    A former police officer has been charged with allegedly supplying information to The Sun in exchange for cash.

    James Bowes, a former police sergeant with the Neighbourhood Policing team of Sussex Police, has been charged with misconduct in a public office.

    It is alleged that in 2010 Bowes provided information to The Sun about three high profile investigations being conducted by Sussex Police at the time in exchange for £500.

    Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

    by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 05:34:26 AM PDT

  •  Thank you ceebs. (6+ / 0-)

    Like grade school kids: "Everyone's doing it! Why can't I?" But this time the answer was "Why didn't you ask earlier?"

    Sounds like Cameron and Holder (US Justice Department) share some similarities. Wouldn't want to upset anyone with actual justice.

  •  here's something (10+ / 0-)

    On the Mathematics of Mondays vote

    Can Cameron win a Leveson vote? The Commons arithmetic untangled

    On Monday evening the division bell will ring in parliament and MPs will vote for the future of Britain's press. It won't be clear, from the tweets of MPs emerging from the voting lobbies, which side is going to win. That's because this Lib-Lab vs Cameron standoff puts the Commons on a knife-edge. There's a reason the prime minister voluntarily used the phrase "hung parliament" in his press conference in Downing Street this morning.

    The Conservatives currently have 303 MPs, down three from their 2010 general election total. That contrasts with Labour's 255. With Nick Clegg's party joining Ed Miliband's - they are also steady on 57 following their Eastleigh by-election hold - the Lib-Lab alliance tots up 312 votes, nine ahead of the Tories. Even if it were a straightforward standoff between the three main parties, this would be a close one.

    And then there's the minority parties. I've been ringing round their offices and have found them all a-flutter. Normally shunned into irrelevance by their small stature in parliament, it's on these rare occasions when their voting intentions really matte

    Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

    by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 06:32:26 AM PDT

  •  and why regulation needed (7+ / 0-)

    News International have issued EIGHT corrections to stories about Gordon Brown in just six months

    Today The Sunissued a correction to a story about Gordon Brown. That might sound unremarkable, but it’s the 8th time a News International paper has issued a correction about Gordon Brown since October.

    We’re sure they have no vendetta against him…

    Here are all of the corrections over the past 6 months collected in one place – we’ll be keeping an eye out for more:

    Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

    by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 07:01:58 AM PDT

  •  Thank you very much, ceebs. (5+ / 0-)

    Really appreciate keeping the focus and information coming on this one. This post doesn't seem to be getting the attention the story deserves, but I certainly appreciate the effort and background you've put into bringing it the community.

  •  Thanks Ceebs, it's a long hard slog.... (3+ / 0-)
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    ..for the police, courts, and for we Yanks who are trying to keep up with events and procedure while not asking questions that might get you into trouble.

    Very much appreciated.

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:29:41 AM PDT

  •  Still, a bit confused, so a question (2+ / 0-)
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    I am guessing there's a word missing where I put the word WHAT:

    (How the Suns editor hasn't so far -WHAT_ as you would think he's financially responsible for all of the  illegal mpayments made under his watch)
    Are you allowed to say what's what?

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:32:45 AM PDT

  •  And on procedure. The names, they know names (2+ / 0-)
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    What happened to a male journalist, aged x, was arrested at his home in place near or in London y, and the caveat they used to add about not interfering with the activities of the press...

    or have they given up worrying about the rights of the press?

    Something different about these guys/gals? About these tabs?

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:35:42 AM PDT

    •  Ah the names (1+ / 0-)
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      have apparently come from announcements from the newspaper itself, the police stuck to Mal journalist 40, female journalist 47 etc.

      Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

      by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:52:55 AM PDT

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      •  As if to prove the value of the free press.... (2+ / 0-)
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        ..free to report against itself. irony. free because owned by what...a rich guy descended from a rich press baron--remind me of which one the mirror is owned by...

        "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

        by BlueStateRedhead on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 11:52:43 AM PDT

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  •  Could you do a tabloid summing up? (2+ / 0-)
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    Any tabloids without journalists arrested?

    Among the qualities or broadsheets, have there been any arrests--other than the self-inflicted on of the Times computer hacker who outed the police blogger?

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:39:19 AM PDT

    •  well this is (2+ / 0-)
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      the second paper (possibly the second and third) to have people arrested for phone hacking, there are rumours that these arrests are all down to a police source who has worked for Both Mirror and News International. In what order is something that might be interesting.

      Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

      by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 09:01:37 AM PDT

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  •  Finally, how's the British redhead doing? (3+ / 0-)
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    Redhead to Redhead, I am very concerned about her wellbeing, what with the new baby and all ;-).

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:41:22 AM PDT

    •  well we are (2+ / 0-)
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      two days into an attempt to get at least one case thrown out against her, and a case thrown out about three journalists. but apart from announcements that its happening Journalists are being very quiet, so it's assumed that there are reporting restrictions on parts of the information that is being discussed.

      Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

      by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:55:44 AM PDT

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      •  Good thing for Kossians that a usa redhead (1+ / 0-)
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        ..is there to ask questions without fear of contempt charges. So we know that the Brit redhead is still in the frame.

        "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

        by BlueStateRedhead on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 11:55:02 AM PDT

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  •  oh dear (1+ / 0-)
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    Twitter / HackedOffHugh: Rumour in Westminster that ...

    Rumour in Westminster that editor of Times instructed Cameron to call off talks. And our PM did as he was told. Murdoch rules. Still.

    Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

    by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 08:47:19 AM PDT

  •  A widening probe? (3+ / 0-)
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    The Guardian article points out that this opens a third front in the phone hacking investigation, representing a widening of the  probe at a time when most expected it to be winding down. Isn't it also the first batch of arrests for hacking at non-News International papers? It will make it that much harder for people in the news industry trying to block Leveson reforms to  assert that the rot was only at NI (the "one rogue news business" defense, as it were).

    •  absolutely (2+ / 0-)
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      it will make it harder, which is probably a reason for camerons Palpable panic today. I've half a mind that the current plan is for the whole thing to fail, so that Cameron can say Well I tried, and blame everything on everyone else.

      In my thoughts to there must still be another round of arrests at least still to occur at employees of the NOTW, there's a whole group who you would assume from the  victims list who as yet appear untouched by the investigation.

      it's possible that there are one or two more newspaper groups who could still be investigated, but it's hard to tell.

      The Mirror groups shares have fallen by 14% today on the news of todays arrest,

      Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

      by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 09:20:02 AM PDT

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  •  and an interesting (1+ / 0-)
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    article in the independent

    'Supergrass' takes hacking scandal into new territory - Crime - UK - The Independent

    Evidence from a “supergrass” is understood to have prompted today’s arrests of the former Sunday Mirror editor Tina Weaver and three other executives from the Mirror Group on suspicion of phone hacking.

    An insider with knowledge of the workings of a number of tabloid titles is thought to have handed the Metropolitan Police significant new information about the Sunday Mirror and the News of the World.

    Scotland Yard is also thought to have obtained evidence from a recent exchange of emails between a small group of current and former Mirror Group executives. Detectives have already drawn up a list of preliminary list of possible victims whose voicemails may have been illegally accessed by Mirror Group journalists. The disclosures have opened a new front in Scotland Yard’s inquiries into illegal news-gathering by tabloid journalists.

    Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

    by ceebs on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 06:30:04 PM PDT

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