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I just finished shopping at Wegmans today and ran into one of my neighbors who had been involved with me on the campaign for President Obama back in the fall. I mentioned that I'd been to a meeting of the new Organizing for Action group and that I was impressed with the turnout.

She asked me if I was going to campaign for Terry McCauliffe for governor and I said I planned to. She wrinkled her nose and said she wasn't going to, she didn't like him, though she would vote for him because the other guy was so bad. I asked her what she didn't like about Terry McAuliffe and she said she didn't know, she just didn't like him.

This isn't the first time my friends or neighbors have given me negative feedback about Terry McCauliffe, though I never get a good answer as to why they don't like him. One person told me that she had not been a supporter back in 2009 because she thought he was a carpet bagger. Terry McCauliffe has been a resident of Virginia for 20 years, I've only been here for 6, so I can understand wanting to get involved in your community even if you haven't been born in a place.

I just don't get it. In 2009, Virginia Democrats gave the nomination to Craig Deeds, probably the least charismatic candidate I have ever seen. When I saw his television ads, I had to look twice to make sure that the ads were being run by him and not the opposition. But still, I voted for him, even campaigned for him at the polls because he's a Democrat and I never vote for a Republican.

So what is it about Terry McCauliffe that Democratic people don't like. And what is it that some of you do like about him. I'd like to get prepared with some answers because I will be campaigning for him.

The alternative... shudder... well, you know.

Originally posted to JamieG from Md on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM PDT.

Also republished by Virginia Kos.

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  •  The "dont like" is pretty obvious (16+ / 0-)

    He is SO FAKE.

    I don't think I could listen to him read a weather report without thinking he was either bullshitting me, trying to sell me something or both.

    I mean, I'd vote for the guy and his actual policies, while  certainly a lot more DLC-esque for someone people's taste (particularly people on a lil orange blog we all know), not that controversial.  Certainly no more than Mark Warner.  And he's clearly a good politician...

    ...in fact, maybe that's it:  Hes TOO GOOD of a politician, but only in the bad meanings of that word.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 11:52:16 AM PDT

  •  Something smells wrong here n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  I'd have to research, (5+ / 0-)

    but Clinton taint is what I think of when I hear his name.  

    Republicans: if they only had a heart.

    by leu2500 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 12:01:00 PM PDT

  •  McAuliffe is a CorporoDemocrat (25+ / 0-)

    He was DNC chair that brought us Republican-Lite, if not a forming member, a DLC -type of Democrat. A Clintonesque triangulator. That crowd is why the Democratic party is in such disarray, why leadership is so removed from Rank&File.
    He's the opposite of Progressive/Populist.
    Maybe he'll do better as a Governor, but he's far too entwined with the Banksters for my taste.
    That said, he's better that Cuchinelli.
    Of course, so is herpes.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 12:06:30 PM PDT

  •  Too bad (16+ / 0-)

    Dump Terry McAuliffe isn't here any more, I'm sure he/she would have something to contribute.

    He and Dick Morris just stick in my mind as emblematic of all the worst parts of the Clinton presidency. However, I don't live in Virginia, and it may be that he is the best thing on offer. Cuccinelli is a horror show, so it may be that he's the best option out there.

  •  Why do you have McAuliffe in headline & McCauliffe (1+ / 0-)
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    JamieG from Md

    in body of your diary?

    Fiscal conservative: a Republican ready to spend $5 to save a dime--especially if that dime is helping a non-donor.

    by Mayfly on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 12:08:47 PM PDT

  •  If he's lucky he'll be running against (8+ / 0-)

    Cuccinelli and it won't matter if he's likeable or a carpet bagger or has any experience in public office (the most commonly heard raps against him). I don't like him particularly because I don't like DLC, Third Wave, New Democrats, Blue Dogs, Centrists, Clinton Democrats no matter what they call themselves, but I will vote for him IF the Democrats have not voted for chained CPI or a raise in the Medicare age. If they have, all bets are off.

    Nothing will matter if Cuccinelli is the Republican candidate. He should not receive a single vote from anyone who breathes air because of his extreme climate change denialism. This combined with his anti-woman stances should be enough to sink him handily.

    I read an article today that Cuccinelli has already scrubbed his website of his most conservative positions, but that won't do him any good. I think his moment has passed in Virginia, even if he tries to  remodels himself as a "moderate",  no one will be buying it.

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 12:09:01 PM PDT

  •  McAuliffe's advantages are (8+ / 0-)

    that he is a policy wonk, who knows the issues and can handle the news media astutely and has demonstrated that he's an equally astute advisor and strategist. He also seems to have an ability, much like President Clinton did, to be able to frame issues from the perspective of average, everyday people in ways that are very appealing.

    Am not sure why some Virginians may not like him, but those might include: some leftover distaste from his previous campaign running for the Democratic nomination for governor, which he lost; the fact that, as a prolific fundraiser, for himself and others, that that advantage carries the perception that he is willing and able to kowtow to the monied interests.

  •  He's nothing but a Clinton bagman (2+ / 0-)
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    And DLC fan.

    www.buonoforgovernor.com

    by Paleo on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 12:21:24 PM PDT

  •  I put McAuliffe in same category as John Edwards (1+ / 0-)
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    Simplify

    Either you recognize  him as an inherently fake snake in the grass snake oil salesman upon first sighting or you stick around long enough to listen to his BS.

    There are places in politics and government for dishonest snakes...as long as your snake is the most venomous, I suppose....

  •  I still haven't seen a good reason to oppose him (9+ / 0-)

    I went to a rally for him recently, and yes he comes off as a rather slick, well-coiffed politico, but so what?   I'd say he's pretty much in the same mold of most Democrats that have been successful statewide in Virginia -  Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, Jim Webb, etc.  

    And after all that has happened in the past 12 years or so, how can anybody still be stuck in resentment over the DLC or Clinton-era "triangulation?"   We're trying to hold back the barbarians here, folks.  Wake up and smell the coffee.    

    Terry will go for the "businessman" pitch, which isn't exactly to my taste, but again, who really cares if it works.  Terry is basically a liberal who will be decent on the issues we most care about.  Also, a Democratic victory here this year will have important national implications.  

    Don't let the perfect drive out the good.  Terry is our candidate and we need to get fully behind him.  GOTV will be crucial.  

    •  He's also a good fundraiser (1+ / 0-)
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      JamieG from Md

      which will be important, as many of the Koch Brother PACs will be spending money on Cuccinelli.
      Hopefully, he'll be a better governor than he was a campaign manager.

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      by skohayes on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 12:48:00 PM PDT

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    •  Not my fight but (3+ / 0-)

      You're describing what someone like me out in flyoverland absolutely hates about the beltway mentality.  It's all what's expedient for us today without any feel for a driving vision of where the party wants to go in the future.

      Now, that might be fine in a governor's race so I'm not saying it works against McAuliffe in Virginia but don't tell me it has national implications because it says totally nothing to me.

      And yes, I can still be stuck in resentment over the DLC era triangulation because it's just that kind of thinking that has Democrats putting chained CPI on the table because it's seems like an expedient thing to do at the moment all nice and process oriented designed to attract a few votes here and there and if it hurts anybody beyond the beltway why would we care?

      •  Yes it is your fight (3+ / 0-)

        ...and this is the kind of thinking that has been letting Republican obstructionists hold onto power.  Dems stayed home in 2010 because Obama wasn't solving all of the world's problems in 18 months. We're still suffering badly from the results of that fateful off-year election.  

        All politics is local, and if we ignore local politics, the other side wins.  If we wait for candidates that meet our idea of perfection, the other side wins.  It's Republican control at the state and local level that has kept us in the gridlock mess we're in today.  

    •  I think McAuliffe will be a tough sell (1+ / 0-)
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      rodentrancher

      As a former Virginian, the transition from national political figure to state candidate in Virginia will be a tough one.  In terms of policy, I agree that McAuliffe is in the mold of recent Virginia Democratic candidates.

      While Virginia is no longer the state where one's parents must be born in the state to be considered a native, it looks easy to tag McAuliffe as having woke up one morning in 2008 and deciding he was a Virginian.

      Yes, I know he's physically lived in Northern Virginia for 20 years, but does he have the connections needed statewide?  

    •  You've nailed it right here, wvmcl (2+ / 0-)
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      northerntier, JamieG from Md
      And after all that has happened in the past 12 years or so, how can anybody still be stuck in resentment over the DLC or Clinton-era "triangulation?"   We're trying to hold back the barbarians here, folks.  Wake up and smell the coffee.  

      Whatever one may feel about McAuliffe's past--and believe me, last time around I bought all that "carpetbagger" stuff--he would still be MILES better than Kook-a-Nelly!

      How can anyone say it doesn't much matter who's governor?  Governor Tone-Deaf Transvaginal is in office now.  Virginia is now down to ONE women's clinic that performs abortions!  Do you really think that doesn't matter?

      Hell yes, I'll campaign for Terry this time around.  A Democrat is a Democrat and therefore pro-women's rights.  Rinse.  Repeat.

      "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

      by Diana in NoVa on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 07:00:24 PM PDT

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  •  From the RW: Wash. Free Beacon (1+ / 0-)
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    JamieG from Md

       One of the complaints is that Terry bought a car company and relocated it in AL. instead of VA.  
         It took a bit of doing, but they RW say that he and China are in cahoots.  But it appears that this small electric car company (Green Tech Automotive) is now just here in US.

          The WA Free Beacon is new to this internetty world, but based on the number of Anti-McCauliffe Articles - who knows their entire background.

     http://freebeacon.com/...    See Crony Capitalism article 3/11

            The sites smears are not hard to trace and deflate - but many folks are appearing pretty lazy at the moment, sigh.

         

  •  To the diarist: (2+ / 0-)

    I was speaking to a person who  does a lot of grass-roots orgainizing for Dems around the country. He calls McCauliffe "our Mitt Romney." McCauliff is a loose cannon who will say anything to any group if he thinks it will benefit him. He might have been abe to get away with this style of campaigning ten years ago, but with opponents following with cameras/mikes/video [remember George Allen] -McCauliffe will be one soundbite away from disaster. He also comes across, to me at least, as a lightweight in an intellectual sense.

    "Well Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?"

    by buffie on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 01:01:06 PM PDT

    •  I actually can see that Romney comparison (1+ / 0-)
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      Phoebe Loosinhouse

      Not that he's a loose cannon, but that he's a bland rich guy who comes off less like a human and more like some droid trying to pass himself off as human.

      I wouldn't worry about the soundbite trouble, though, not when he has a opponent like the Kook. If McAuliffe is a bomb waiting to go off, the Kook is a loose nuke.

  •  Several reasons (7+ / 0-)

    1) He's regarded as a creature of Bill Clinton. When McAuliffe was appointed in early 2001, many believed Clinton had forced a hesitant Gore (who many believed had rightfully won the election and should be allowed to choose the DNC Chair on his own) to go along with this choice.

    2) As DNC chair, McAuliffe presideed over the 2002 midterm elections, which are generally regarded as a disaster for the Democrats.

    3) McAuliffe is regarded as part of the DNC wing which did its level best to sabotage the candidacy of Howard Dean (a DK favorite).

    4) As a "Clinton man", he supported Hillary Clinton over Obama in what is believed to have been a scurrilous campaign against the latter.

    Those are just some reasons.  That said, Virginia doesn't seem to have a deep Democratic bench other than Warner and Kaine (both happy in their Senate gigs, thank you very much). TM might be the best we have.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 01:24:53 PM PDT

  •  He's a DLC smarmy ... :D (0+ / 0-)

    Don't recall specifics off the top of my head but as someone else posted he's our Mitt Romney. I would never vote for him and yes I am a resident. I voted against him in 09 as well. You want someone that would energize the base as opposed to make them head for the hills.

    Just as an example
    http://www.usnews.com/...

  •  Why do you support him? (1+ / 0-)
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    JamieG from Md

    Just curious on the reasons for your support?

    •  Good question (0+ / 0-)

      In 2009, I was pretty new to Virginia and knew very little about the candidates. I still am not terribly knowledgeable, which is why I look to Daily Kos for information.

      The best reasons were expressed in Teacherken's diary back in January:

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      and particularly in the comment section:

      1.  early PPP polling has McAuliffe, who has never run statewide in a general, only a low-turnout Democratic gubernatorial primary, leading Cooch by 5 points, while Cooch was elected statewide

      2.  McAuliffe is strongly pro-choice, which will make a difference vs Cooch among suburban Republican women who might otherwise lean Republican

      3.  McAuliffe will have strong support in the Black community, in part because of his close relationship with Bill Clinton, who will campaign for him.

      4.  The issue is not whether Terry is the perfect candidate.  He is the only one who stepped up.  At this point the choice is between Terry and Ken C.  I will continue to advocate to support Terry

      5.  DEspite gerrymandering, a strong showing by Terry will win seats in the House of Delegates, and a very strong showing could flip it, although that remains a long shot

      6. As the Affordable Care Act begins providing benefits, KEn C"s opposition to it is a potent political issue

      7.  We also have the LG and AG races, both of which are winnable.

      Virginia is a purplish state.  IF we can motivate Democratic base voters, this is winnable.  By comparison, NJ is exceedingly difficult because of Christie's current strong approval.

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      by JamieG from Md on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 02:15:56 PM PDT

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  •  What world do you people think we are living in? (3+ / 0-)

    I remember exactly the same comments about Terry McA.
    on Daily Kos in 2009.  You'd think after eight years of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, people would have gotten over their obsession with the DLC, whatever the heck that is.  As for Howard Dean - need I say more?

    I believed strongly in 2009 that Terry was the only candidate with the smarts and organization to have a chance against Bob McDonnell.  But the grass-roots did not support Terry, so instead we got a born loser named Creigh Deeds who went down in flames.  Will the same thing happen this year, and we wind up with Attila the Hun as governor?  

    If Terry has been telling different things to different groups, let's see some examples? (I haven't seen any here).  Every politician is inconsistent to some extent.  The question is whether we eat our own or not.  You notice the Republicans rarely eat their own (at least not until they lose).  

    If we consider ourselves to pure and too good to mess with a little real-world politics, then the other side will find ways to thwart us at every turn.  The other side is totally ruthless and will do anything to obtain and keep power - redistricting, abuse of the courts, filibusters, you name it.  

    The talk I'm hearing here is totally self-defeating, and frankly depressing.  

    •  As for Howard Dean ... (1+ / 0-)
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      rodentrancher

      ... yes, I think you need to say more.

      McAuliffe is a clown.

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 02:37:08 PM PDT

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      •  Very simple (1+ / 0-)
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        JamieG from Md

        Howard Dean has exactly zero relevance in 2013.   And furthermore, he was never going to be either the Democratic nominee or President, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming.  

        If I'm going to be resentful about the past, it's going to be about what the Repubs have done, such as stealing the 2000 election.  Why waste resentment on what Terry McA did as DNC chairman ages ago, which I suspect most people here have only the vaguest idea about?  He's the only hope we have to get VA into the Dem column.  

        •  "waste resentment"? (0+ / 0-)

          The problem is that T.M. is a complete fucking idiot. Why should I imagine he's somehow become one fucking wit wiser than he ever was before?

          Yeah, Dean has exactly zero relevance -- because self-important, self-possessed narcissists like McAuliffe fucked him and everyone else over, largely in a spectacular fit of hey-he-succeeded-where-we-failed-so-we-must-kill-him inferiority complexitude.

          I can not believe that McAuliffe has managed to scare up one fucking person with any awareness at all of history who is willing to do anything beyond laugh at his sorry, self-indulgent look-at-me-I'm-a-player self-promotion. Fuck him, he's the face of Dem failure, past, present and future.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 06:55:05 PM PDT

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    •  Inside the state,it was perceived by many as (1+ / 0-)
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      rodentrancher

      as MacAuliffe horning in unnecessarily and diverting votes from Moran who had spent his time in the trenches and was a better candidate than both MacAuliffe and Deeds. Deeds was the beneficiary and was the worst candidate ever. He essentially ran as a Republican (against Obamacare) and many Democrats weren't enthused enough to show up.

      Sidenote - spell check thinks McAuliffe or MacAuliffe or whatever his name is should be "cauliflower".

      “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

      by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 02:41:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Terry McAuliffe is a no-talent fraud, a useless (1+ / 0-)
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    buffie

    DLC toad at whose doorstep may be laid much of the blame for almost 2 decades of massive Democratic election fail. He's brainless and arrogant, and suffers from one of the worst of all human failings, namely, self-esteem far out of proportion to his actual capacities.

    You can tell your friend that, from me.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 02:32:04 PM PDT

    •  Would you please explain (2+ / 0-)
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      JamieG from Md, Bronx59

      What exactly is the DLC, and why do you feel so much resentment toward it?   This reminds me of the righties obsessing over ACORN.  

      And of course Democratic voters staying home had nothing whatever to do with Dem losses, right?  It was all Terry's fault.  

      •  Democratic Leadership Council (1+ / 0-)
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        You really should familiarize yourself with their history--it's long and hard to encapsulate. But the long-story-short version is that the DLC was the group built to support center-right Democrats, mostly Southern, but usually ended up trying to contrast its members and policies with progressives instead of Republicans. It was the hippie-punching group within the party.

        That might not seem like it means much now, but from about the 1995 Shutdown through the Iraq War vote, the DLC faction was responsible for a hell of a lot of failures to get the party to unify and work cooperatively towards major goals, like stopping unnecessary wars, protecting the courts, et cetera.

        (By the by: those of us who were working on races in 2006 know that the work Dean did to get the DNC functioning properly was critical to recapturing Congress, so perhaps a little less irrational Dean-hate is a good idea.)

        "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

        by JR on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 04:59:06 PM PDT

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        •  The key word here is "was" (0+ / 0-)

          This is history from the last century.  

          We're living in 2013 and in 2013 either Terry McAuliffe or a Neanderthal named Ken Cuccinelli is going to be the next governor of Virginia.

          Get over it.  

          •  There isn't *a* key word here. (1+ / 0-)
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            There is, rather, a collection of key words -- tags, if you will. For example:

            Hack
            Incompetent
            Self-aggrandizing
            Fail
            Triangulate
            Debacle
            etc.

            "Get over it"? That's the best you can offer? How perfectly McAuliffe.  "I'm sure it's uncomfortable, having me shove myself down your throat, but hey, get over it." Here's my answer to that: No. I despise McAuliffe, I will not get over it, I will not get over his refusal to leave the stage to people who have a handful of insight and a pocketful of principles -- unlike his grand self.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:47:26 PM PDT

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          •  They were in business until 2011. (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't realize 2011 was ancient history.

            (I also didn't realize the Iraq War vote was in the last century: I thought it was in 2002.)

            I'm not sure why you're hell-bent on being a booster for McAuliffe--God knows I want to see him win as well, and I don't know where you got the opposite idea--but whatever your motive you're doing just an absolutely terrible job of it. Being argumentative and rudely dismissive (especially to people just answering your question) is a pretty bad plan for bringing people around to his camp. You should undertand that there are people who still hold McAuliffe's past actions--from pushing centrists over progressives to his fairly shameful performance as a spokesman for Hillary--against him.

            Berating people to try and make them fall in line is a great way to bring about a Cuccinelli administration.

            "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

            by JR on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 01:43:01 AM PDT

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        •  He doesn't need to familiarize himself (0+ / 0-)

          with anything. He's a McAuliffe stooge. This whole diary reeks of plantiness. Just look at how comtemptuous wvmcl is of your opinion. Hell, with that smug disregard for the thoughts, opinions, and ideas of people more thoughtful, knowledgeable, and creative than himself, he could be McAuliffe. "What exactly is the DLC ... reminds me of the righties obsessing over ACORN ... history from the last century ..." Does any of that make any sense? Y'know who else was "history from the last century"? Rumsfeld, Cheney, and their assortment of horrible accomplices: Poindexter, Abrams, Negroponte. We're supposed to pretend that suddenly McAuliffe has stopped being a poser and an idiot because ... because ... because it's been 8 years or so since the last time he managed a complete electoral catastrophe?

          Please.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 08:41:05 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  AHAHAHAHAAHAAH (0+ / 0-)

        How old are you, sonny?

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 06:55:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Blue Dog Conservadem party hack . . . (0+ / 0-)

    . . . but given that he's running against Kapitan Koochi, far, far the lesser of two evils.

    I'll be voting for him regardless of how many clothes-pins I have to clamp to my nose.

    If the Virginia GOP were still capable of nominating anyone recognisable as a human being, it might be a different story.

  •  Marylander who plans to volunteer in VA (1+ / 0-)
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    I had a gut reaction against Terry M 4 years ago but I wasn't a VA voter so it didn't matter. Creigh Deeds won the nomination, I'm convinced, solely on being endorsed by the Washington Post.  I went several times to VA to canvass for Deeds just because he was a Dem.  I'll go again for TM and I will work to get more Dems elected to the state legislature.  

    I can learn to live with him.  I didn't like Hillary Clinton in 2008 and now I'm totally over that.  Things change.

    Maryland has political energy to burn and we'll get people over there.  At least TM can probably run a competent campaign, which Creigh Deeds couldn't.

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