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Finally, a Republican senator joins Rob Portman in endorsing marriage equality, Mark Kirk:
When I climbed the Capitol steps in January, I promised myself that I would return to the Senate with an open mind and greater respect for others.

Same-sex couples should have the right to civil marriage. Our time on this earth is limited, I know that better than most.  Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back-- government has no place in the middle.

That means 50 senators now support marriage–48 Democrats and 2 Republicans. If you want to get technical, as of now Vice President Biden does break the tie, but then again, if this were a vote, Republicans would surely filibuster. But that aside, the next senator to support equality will put a majority of the United States Senate on the right side of history. Who will it be?

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  •  Amazing how quick they fold (21+ / 0-)

    when they realize the battle is lost.  I think Mark Kirk is genuine about this. Others are going to break away and join the pro-equality side, and then the GOP will claim it was their idea in the first place.

    I only hope the GOP breaks up as quickly on comprehensive immigration reform.  That's the other big civil rights issue of our time.  It's the other issue that's ripe for change, and the GOP knows it.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:18:30 AM PDT

    •  Droning people to death not a Civil Rights issue? (4+ / 0-)
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      Sigh.

      How about equal-pay-for-equal-work?
      Or allowing all eligible voters to vote?

    •  If he isn't genuine, I think he is too, (3+ / 0-)
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      he just cut his own throat with the troglodytes. At least he did it with love and being loved. That alone will set many conservative colons into chronic spasms.

      "Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good." -Buddha Shakyamuni-

      by Sam Sara on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:00:05 AM PDT

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    •  Unfortunately for the GOP (3+ / 0-)
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      the political wind has changed direction on this issue, and it doesn't look like it's changing back.  I'm really not surprised that Kirk was next, seeing as he has to run for re-election in very blue Illinois.

      The GOP really has to realize that their social issues-based politics is a relic of the 20th century.  The economic Powers that Be simply don't care about gays and blacks and hispanics as issues of racial predudice.  There is no money in it.  In fact, racial (and other forms of) discrimination is bad for business (except, perhaps the for-profit prison system).  The big money is simply not as squeamish as it once was, so they won't waste money and resources fighting things like gay marriage and abortion.  Without that money, the issue is doomed to liberalization.  

      And, if it destroys the 1980's Reagan voting coalition, who cares?  It's about the money now, more than ever, and anymore, as many big money folks are Dems as are Republicans.  I've been saying for years that the wholesale purchase of the Democrat Party by the Big Money interests is underway.  As the GOP becomes ever less effective as a national legislative force, they'll complete their purchase of the Dems and we'll have one dominant socially-left/economically-right-leaning party.

      And, it will work.  Imagine for a second, if all the GOP Big Money were to suddenly align behind a cadre of economically conservative Dems,...from the north and California?  Mainstream Dems in this country would rally to their side, and they and the money would overwhelm progressives.  Once in control, they could marginalize progressives, and use moderate republicans to help pass the most conservative pieces of their economic agenda.  

      And, a lot of Dems woud vote for them because they have a "D" after their name, they don't hate anyone, and they say the right things.  If Scott Brown had run as a pro-choice Dem, with the same campaign, he'd have won, by a landslide.  Imagine if all the right-leaning Dems in the Senate could throw-off their liberal pretenses and vote their conscience, knowing they were untouchable in a Dem primary?

      I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is the reality we are looking at in the future.      

    •  That's what I always say (0+ / 0-)

      Well, Gandhi said the first part.

      First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
      and then, I say, they claim that it was their idea all along. They are already doing so, and have been for some time. Goldwater! (On gays in the military: "You don't need to be straight, you need to shoot straight.") Reagan! Log Cabin Republicans! GOProud!

      Never mind all of those Librul gays who were doing it for all the wrong reasons. Only Conservative reasons for anything count.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:58:20 PM PDT

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  •  I gotta ask, how are the mouthbreathers over at RS (12+ / 0-)

    taking this?  Clearly the war is all but lost for them.  Having made this a defining plank in their party platform, the true believers must be apopleptic now that their will is being conveniently tossed aside.

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:19:58 AM PDT

  •  Bill Nelson will probably be next (14+ / 0-)

    I'll also bet that Lisa Murkowski will come around before Susan Collins does.

  •  Who will it be? Well it certainly won't be a (7+ / 0-)

    senator from Georgia.  Chairwoman of the Georgia GOP, Sue Everhart, just came out with a statement against marriage equality, calling it a grab for a "free ride."  This has to be the most far-fetched reason I've heard so far:

    “You may be as straight as an arrow, and you may have a friend that is as straight as an arrow. Say you had a great job with the government where you had this wonderful health plan. I mean, what would prohibit you from saying that you’re gay, and y’all get married and still live as separate, but you get all the benefits? I just see so much abuse in this it’s unreal. I believe a husband and a wife should be a man and a woman, the benefits should be for a man and a woman. There is no way that this is about equality. To me, it’s all about a free ride.”

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:24:13 AM PDT

    •  The stupid, it burns (1+ / 0-)
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      If the person with the health plan was female, and the friend who needed it was male, what would stop that sort of relationship now? Plenty of people live separate (often due to job reasons), and they're still just as married as folks who are fighting over the bathroom every morning (the extra half-bathroom we added made a huge difference when I was growing up).

      Of course, the ultimate solution to her dilemma is to institute single-payer full coverage health care, so that no one is getting married solely because they need health insurance...but that's another subject for another diary.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:17:14 AM PDT

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      •  exactly her argument is illogical as it is no (1+ / 0-)
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        different from now. aka "how many male and female platonic friends marry to get healthcare, tax, and other benefits", currently.

        It is exactly the same as two women or two male friends doing that When LGBT people gain the right to marry.

        •  When Obamacare is fully implemented (0+ / 0-)

          it wouldn't be any different anyway.  Government employees will be buying insurance from exchanges just like non-government employees.  The woman is a loon.  And the fact that she's the Chairwoman of the state GOP makes me wonder about the sanity of the entire cast of state GOP members.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:56:45 PM PDT

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  •  Next ones to support? (6+ / 0-)

    I'm going with Murkowski, Collins and Bill Nelson in some order.  

    #ConstructNotObstruct My personal (political) blog is at http://polliticstoday.wordpress.com

    by RVKU on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:24:40 AM PDT

    •  since he's retiring... (6+ / 0-)

      anyways, I think Johnson may as well...

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:31:22 AM PDT

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      •  Hope so (1+ / 0-)
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        South Dakota doesn't appear to be onboard with marriage equality though and Johnson might be thinking of his son.  Still I consider Johnson more likely than Pryor or Manchin.

        #ConstructNotObstruct My personal (political) blog is at http://polliticstoday.wordpress.com

        by RVKU on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:38:20 AM PDT

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        •  yeah, and... (2+ / 0-)
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          Heitkamp is the least likely non-Southerner to do so. If Tester didn't give her cover, I doubt anything will.

          "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

          by JackND on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:41:40 AM PDT

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          •  The fact that she wont be up for election again (2+ / 0-)
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            until 2018 could give her an opening. So what if she comes out tomorrow and says she supports it? The state won't have a chance to say anything about it for another 6 years, at which time it may very well be a total nonissue.

            •  I'd have thought so... (0+ / 0-)

              but again, if Tester didn't give her an opening, not sure what else she's waiting for.

              "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

              by JackND on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:53:59 AM PDT

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              •  I think its more the fact that she wants to (0+ / 0-)

                establish herself first without taking difficult positions on issues. She didn't exactly win in a landslide so she needs to build up a base of support in the state. And part of that means going against the party sometimes.

    •  Collins has an election in Maine in 2014, so she's (1+ / 0-)
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      the most obvious candidate to announce quickly.  She might be also be thinking that a primary challenge might be a greater threat to her survival than a general election.  She handily survived the Dem wave of 2008, so it is hard to imagine her losing the general.  But if she wants to keep up that "moderate" perception that keeps her in the good graces of the Maine electorate, I would think supporting marriage equality is a must.  

      Bill Nelson's next election in Florida is in 2018, at which point support for marriage equality in Florida will be non-controversial; so he should be free to come out for marriage equality whenever he feels he should.

      •  You think Nelson would (0+ / 0-)

        I think he has a fairly decent track record of LGBT support (have no idea though without looking it up to reaffirm) but I wouldn't be shocked if Joe Donnelly endorses it before him the more I think about it.  If Nelson didn't do it now, I wonder what's holding him back.

        Heck, maybe he is against it; he is fairly religious, correct?  That's not saying all religious people are against equality but it seems like its a cover.

        #ConstructNotObstruct My personal (political) blog is at http://polliticstoday.wordpress.com

        by RVKU on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:45:30 AM PDT

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      •  Yes and no. (0+ / 0-)

        If - if - Pingree puts her hand up, it's not quite so foregone a conclusion as it might otherwise be, for the simple reason that the Tea Party wasn't the factor in 2008 that it is now.

        I'm not just speaking in terms of a possible primary challenge to Collins (she's safe against that, IMO), but also what the Tea Party has done to the perception of the GOP - in the mindset of the general public, "moderate Republican" is almost an oxymoron these days, as it was not then.

        Last time Collins was up, there were other Northeastern moderate Republicans - Sununu (R-NH), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA) - who were willing to break with the party on some issues. Now there's just her, and she's gotta be feeling at least a bit lonely.

        Don't get me wrong - if Collins stands for a fourth term, she'll probably win it. But not - quite - for certain. And the moment she retires, that seat's flipping blue.

        "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

        by Australian2 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:48:01 PM PDT

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  •  Good For Him (9+ / 0-)

    Although this Illinois voter still will not vote for him.  We should give credit where credit is due.  He is farther along that Illinois "Democrats" like Lipinski and our state house, where the Democrats are still dithering on full marriage equality.

  •  I look for a few more Republicans to come on board (6+ / 0-)

    not necessarily between now and the SCOTUS rulings, but (presuming the courts go at least partially our way) shortly thereafter.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:27:24 AM PDT

  •  any read on... (2+ / 0-)
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    Susan Collins? Between Portman and Kirk, who have announced support, and Murkowski, who is evolving, would they even be able to filibuster?

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:27:57 AM PDT

    •  I said upthread Collins may come forward (1+ / 0-)
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      sooner than we think as she represents an equality state. Now, that being said, she might hold out with hopes of being able to take the Senate hostage on the issue should she ever need to.

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:34:29 AM PDT

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      •  The idea that Susan Collins is the (1+ / 0-)
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        Senior senator from Maine just blows my mind.  But she's not my senator; I have two utter lunatics to deal with down here in Texas, the scarier one with enormous political ambitions.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:02:14 AM PDT

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        •  It's hard to imagine and she IS my senator. (2+ / 0-)
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          Keep an eye on Angus King though. I already think I was right to vote for him.

          What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

          by commonmass on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:06:07 PM PDT

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          •  Before the last elections (1+ / 0-)
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            I read a lot of information about a lot of different candidates in different states, and Angus King really stood out.  He seems to be very intelligent with a good political philosophy.  I came to like him too; I hope he's able to do a good job for the people of Maine.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:07:56 PM PDT

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        •  Collins has been in the Senate for (1+ / 0-)
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          going on 18 years now - if she stands for re-election next year, it'll be for her fourth term.

          That's a fair whack of time to have one job, even in politics. But then, she entered the Senate rather young - she was only 44 when elected. Given some intestinal fortitude, she could serve for another three or even four full terms before deciding to hang up her hat - and let's face it, she'll probably be in the Senate for as long as she wants to be.

          "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

          by Australian2 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:50:42 PM PDT

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        •  Have you joined Battleground Texas (0+ / 0-)

          to turn Texas Blue? It will happen regardless, but the idea is to get it to happen at least one election sooner, and then undo the gerrymander to keep it safe thereafter.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:05:22 PM PDT

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      •  I like how you refer to that--an "equality" state (0+ / 0-)

        that works well. Closest to essential truth.

  •  It's fun to watch them fall all over themselves (3+ / 0-)
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    to distance themselves from truly hideous bigotry which, even two years from now, is going to be a liability for some former anti-equality politicians.

    I wish supply side economics could crumble like opposing gay marriage has.

    What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

    by commonmass on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:30:22 AM PDT

    •  Civil rights is easier to understand (2+ / 0-)
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      than economics.  And those who wish to withhold marriage equality from GLBT citizens have nothing but the bible to back up their bigotry - no think tanks or professors or  business professional organizations willing to base their identity on withholding civil rights.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:45:11 AM PDT

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      •  Well they do have (2+ / 0-)
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        things like Focus on the Family and similar groups that are full of "professors" from such illustrious institutions as Liberty and Bob Jones

        •  There is no comparison between (0+ / 0-)

          gay rights and supply-side economic theory. One is a periferal social issue that really affects a very small sliver of our society/population.  As I said, above, there really is no money in it either way for the economic Powers that Be.  The other is the whole life structure of those same Powers that Be.  They will defend conservative economic theory with every weapon they have and to the last breath of the last man standing.  ALL of the money is in that.

          •  You underestimate the amount of money (0+ / 0-)

            and influence that the Christian right has, if not with politicians directly then with the rank and file of the Republican party that will literally do whatever it takes to stop the slouch towards Gomorrah.

  •  I don't think the SOCTUS really gives a f### what (2+ / 0-)
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    the people think.  They will take their own personal ideologies, weave them into some hard to follow rhetoric, cross their hands over their fat stomachs and smirk at those of us are watching.  The Senators coming out for or against have shown time and time again that their only motivators is what will keep them in an elected office with a steady paycheck with no accountability, life time benefits and retirement.  

    I would guess the most positive thing about the whole argument is that the NRA doesn't have a hand in.

    "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medication to the dead." Thomas Paine

    by My two cents worth on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:33:51 AM PDT

    •  They don't have to be counting on (0+ / 0-)

      lifetime tenure in congress.  If they can foresee electoral defeat in their future, they can always count on high-paying lobbying jobs that don't require having principled stands on anything or think tank positions that rely mainly on their ability to be glib.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:51:29 AM PDT

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  •  This must.. (4+ / 0-)
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    ..be pissing off greatly the fundamentalist Christian sector of the Republican party.

    Their demand Republican lawmakers in Washington should constantly mock the poor, exalt the rich, launch recreational wars, demean women & decry gays for their degenerate lifestyles...

    ...well, it's all still intact except the decrying gays part.

    That board in the American Taliban plank is beginning to rot.

    And 10,000 hick preachers who have had a stranglehold on the Republican party for the past 40 years doesn't like it.

    To any Republican reading this, I request you write a diary about why Republicans are such assholes. I promise to tip & recommend such a diary.

    by wyvern on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:35:25 AM PDT

  •  Portman backs = (1+ / 0-)
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    Portman had to change his stance.  If he runs for election and the TB find out his son's gay, they'll crucify him.   As it is I find it abhorrent that he can only accept = when it directly affects his family.  Shows a complete lack of empathy.  We need better representation in Washington.  He' s supposed to represent ALL of us, not just those who have the extreme right wing stamp of "okay, my God approves".

    •  What shows an even greaty lack of empathy, (1+ / 0-)
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      is that while he personally supports marriage equality, he's totally ok with whatever state his son lives in denying him those rights.

      •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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        Portman's endorsement was pretty half-assed. He doesnt believe that same sex couples have a civil right to marry, he just believes they should be able to. It's not the same thing.

        •  I can't take it (0+ / 0-)

          as "support" when they say it should be decided by the states.  Because that means you're ok with it being illegal, even if you personally are ok with SSM.

          Also, you know who else said civil rights should be left to the states?  The Dixiecrats.  And yet no one accuses them of having been in favor of civil rights.

          Someone mentioned Stephen Douglas as an example before, too, and I think it's an apt comparison.

          Why is it suddenly viewed differently when it comes to this issue?

          For what it's worth, Kirk's statement, to me, seemed a bit stronger in its support.

          •  That's right (1+ / 0-)
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            "States rights" on marriage equality is tacit approval of discrimination.  We need to start pushing this concept.

            Equality should not be "left up to the states."

            •  States' rights today means (0+ / 0-)

              Prop. 8 and DOMA go down on narrow grounds, and the Court comes back when we have 20 or 25 states with marriage equality to toss out states' rights to oppress citizens. Unless Scalia dies or retires first, or we overcome the filibuster and the gerrymander, in which case Bob's your mother.

              Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

              by Mokurai on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:12:00 PM PDT

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  •  I think we need more praise for Kirk here. (11+ / 0-)

    He's an actual Republican without a (known) gay family member who's taking the right position, and he's doing it for the right reason.  I think we worry too much about full-throated praise for this or that (occasional!) praiseworthy thing a Republican might do, because we fear it would confuse the message about voting against that person next time.  There's no confusion: Kirk is a Republican and he's therefore wrong about almost every issue of consequence in our society, just like he used to be wrong about this one.  But now he's right about this one and he gave a pretty awesome reason.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:45:14 AM PDT

    •  He's also probably more concerned (0+ / 0-)

      with what continuing to oppose it would do to his general election prospects come 2016. He can't be seen as doing it just out of political expediency when the race is close.

    •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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      There were the rumors (by Illinois Republicans) that Kirk was a closeted gay man.  It will be interesting to see how the rest of the Illinois GOP reacts.  I say good for him, whether he's gay or not.  And for the record, he has denied the rumors.  

      "Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred." Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by djbender on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:09:02 AM PDT

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    •  his comments on his web site make me think (1+ / 0-)
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      that stroke might have knocked some sense into him.
      if he's being honest, that is. but still, i'll take it.

      "When I climbed the Capitol steps in January, I promised myself that I would return to the Senate with an open mind and greater respect for others.

      Same-sex couples should have the right to civil marriage. Our time on this Earth is limited, I know that better than most. Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back-- government has no place in the middle."

      http://blogs.suntimes.com/...

      Change is inevitable. Change for the better is a full-time job. -- Adlai E. Stevenson (GOTV)

      by marzook on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:20:32 AM PDT

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    •  I think his statement of support (1+ / 0-)
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      is much firmer than Portman's.  Portman basically said he thinks gay people should be able to get married, but he doesn't necessarily consider it a right, and that it should be left to the states.

      Conversely, Kirk said it SHOULD be a right, and mentioned nothing of states' rights.

    •  This is an ugly remark. (0+ / 0-)

      No offense, but sometimes, what it takes to knock some sense into people is having a family member come out.  It's one of the reasons people come out (though, clearly, not the only one, or even a major one).

      Knocking people who come around after a kid or a brother or a sister comes out is counter to the LGBT cause.

      We WANT straight allies.  It doesn't matter how we come by them.

      •  Oh, give me a break. (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't say anything "ugly" about the idea of supporting gay rights because you have a gay relative; I simply said that it was more admirable to support gay rights even in the absence of a gay relative.  You can contest that if you like (I think it's a suicide mission, but freedom means freedom for everyone, as Cheney said), but it's ludicrous to think it's ugly.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:11:39 PM PDT

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        •  It is ugly. (0+ / 0-)

          Sorry if it gets a lot of partisan support here, but it's fundamentally an ugly remark, and it's not ludicrous here to think so.

          I know, I know.  GOP = Bad No Matter What.  Dems = Good No Matter What.

          Tribalism at its worst, and it goes on here just as well as everywhere else.

          •  I took it as, instead of tribalism, an observation (0+ / 0-)

            that we often feel that way. "I think we worry too much about full-throated praise for..."
            Poster seems to be pointing out what is so in how we feel and act. He feels we aren't praising Kirk enough because of this, and does.

            If you meant the part that a Republican he's on the wrong side of most issues...I think that is just factual.

  •  Who will be next? (3+ / 0-)
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    jpmassar, R30A, pademocrat

    Next FP article has a picture of Calgary Cruz.  I'm going with Ted, he seems like a reasonable enough kinda guy.

  •  Mark Kirk made a politically expedient move (1+ / 0-)
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    marzook

    If you remember the 2010 election, he was a complete lying scumbag. Now I want to see him come around on background checks and magazine limits on the gun issue.

  •  It Will Be Either (1+ / 0-)
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    jplanner

    Bill Nelson of FL who could safely come out for same sex marriage if he wanted....he was just re-elected in November with 55% of the vote and won't be up again until 2018.

    Or it could be GOP Sen. Susan Collins of ME. She is up for re-election but faces not serious challenge even in the GOP primary.  ME just voted to establish gay marriage so she is no danger of being on the wrong side of the public there.

  •  I am willing to bet (0+ / 0-)

    that if this came up in the Senate somehow, you could probably count Susan Collins too.

  •  Listening to Stuart Stevens weasel his way through (0+ / 0-)

    anthrough an interview with Andrea Mitchell.  If two people ever deserved each it would be he and Mitt Romney.

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:49:02 AM PDT

  •  Thing is (0+ / 0-)

    the GOP wants this issue to go away.

    They may allow a straight up and down vote.

  •  What a pompous, asinine statement: (0+ / 0-)
    Our time on this earth is limited, I know that better than most.
     -Mark Kirk, IL
    Hey, Mark, apologize for your stupidity for so long instead of insulting all of us who haven't suffered a stroke.

    You obviously do not know anything better than most.

    Mayor Daley endorsed same-sex marriage three years ago and he wasn't needing votes as you are, he was speaking as a human being. Try it.

    These dumb dominoes deserve no credit for "leadership" as they flip-flop into place for their future elections.

    Honesty is not a policy. It's a character trait.

    by Says Who on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:53:44 AM PDT

    •  I don't take it that way at all (0+ / 0-)

      it's unfortunate it takes a life and death thing for him to get it. Just like it took Portman having a Gay son to get it.

      Yet having live and death medical issues is in fact shocking and perspective and life changing to many people, myself included.

      It does sound trite, but may be sincere. I point out my dissagreement becaues some people posting as you do might never had experiences serious illness, disability, or threats to their life so don't know.

      To mock what people go through and how it may change them seems wrong to me.

      •  Thanks for your appraisal. (0+ / 0-)

        I believe you are in a majority — no one agreed with me, nor recced my comment. The best thing about Mark Kirk is that he is not the absolute worst choice, Alexis Gioulianis, Democrat alternative, who was soundly and rightly put down in this blue state. I happen to know too much about him to have voted for him without extreme prejudice. That was a tough one, had to gulp for any oxygen at all.

        So, let me say it nicelier.
        Mark Kirk is an opportunist trying to walk the tight wire by pleasing enough voters while not displeasing more than enough voters, all for the greater glory of Mark Kirk.

        I am not at all interested in how someone's human frailty — his, yours, or mine — dictates the means to the end of social justice and equality.

        America designed itself to be just and equal INCLUDING all those frailties!

        Anyone coming to a just conclusion now, based simply on how hard his/her own life has become is not my leader, just a wiser fellow-voter (if that).

        I dismiss Sen. Kirk for straggling at the expense of the ones who held his new views long before he did. What a waste he was before he got hurt, so does he expect me to thank the heavens he came around? He is a living example of what was and is wrong, his new silk purse notwithstanding.

        I am especially irked that Kirk regards himself now as more enlightened than others he has finally caught up with here in Humanity 101. I'd much prefer he show humility, such as, he is closer to the reality of life for many who are in need. But he wants high praise for having a tough episode and an exciting new epiphany. I say, Mark, it is NOT about you. Quit demanding respect for finally showing some.

        Frailties are not the solidifying reason for understanding or practicing compassion. I will campaign against Mark Kirk and anyone denying any American our unalienable rights.  

        Mark Kirk is no leader, he is a follower of those he once oppressed, he just can't admit it. He ought to have resigned when he saw he could not serve, but as a do-nothing, he has been a typical rank and file Republican all along, representing reelectability and stifling his President at the expense of his country. Welcome aboard, Mark, we knew you wouldn't miss the chance to go FORWARD for your own good.

        Honesty is not a policy. It's a character trait.

        by Says Who on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:52:52 PM PDT

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  •  Clearly this should be a DKos poll. :-) (1+ / 0-)
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    Lonestarblues

    Among Democrats, I am guessing Mary Landrieu will be next to come over. For Republicans, it's anybody's guess and very possibly none of them in this cycle.

    Do we have a count on pro/con in the House?

    Came for the politics, stayed for the pooties.

    by DreamyAJ on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:58:25 AM PDT

  •  So much for a Constitutional amendment. (0+ / 0-)

    An amendment preventing marriage equality will not get through the Senate. Of course, they could try calling for a Constitutional Convention.

  •  I JUST CALLED KIRK'S OFFICE THIS MORNING! (1+ / 0-)
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    jplanner

    Yahoo!

    Well, it might not have been my straw that made the camel sit, but I should think it would be nice that my call did just enough to turn things out!

    --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

    by unclebucky on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:43:05 AM PDT

  •  So this will be a view held by 90% of Americans (0+ / 0-)

    and anyone opposing it will simply look prehistoric.

  •  Send thanks (1+ / 0-)
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    schnecke21

    Please consider sending a thank you message to Senator Kirk.

    I sent one to Portman already.

    They are going to get a lot of heat from members of their own party here. There has been some unpleasantness in comment threads already.

    We WANT them to be able to change their public views on this issue. We want others to be able to follow them.

    Don't include anything else in your letter (especially not something that tells them that you weren't ever thinking of voting for them in the first place). It doesn't matter if (like me) you don't share many of their other views, they need to be supported on this.

    @SenatorKirk and @robportman are their Twitter names, if that's a medium you use.

    The plural of anecdote is not data.

    by Skipbidder on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:18:14 PM PDT

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