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Ben Carson, who has become a conservative hero because he railed against expanding access to affordable health care at the National Prayer Breakfast, has gone full wingnut by claiming that white liberals are racist!

Carson was asked this question by right-wing talk radio host Mark Levin:

And you're attacked in many respects because of your race. You're not supposed to think like this, and supposed to talk like this. A lot of white liberals just don't like it, do they?
Carson responded by saying this:
Well, they're the most racist people there are. You know, they put you in a little category, a little box -- you have to think this way. How could you dare come off the plantation?
Ben Carson reminds me a lot of Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher, who became an overnight celebrity within the conservative movement for asking Obama about his small business tax policy. Joe the Plumber ran against Democratic Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur in 2012 and lost by over 40 points, and now he's giving bad advice to schoolchildren.

Ben Carson doesn't even make sense anymore.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    Polls don't vote, statistics don't vote, history doesn't vote, yard signs don't vote...PEOPLE VOTE!!!

    by DownstateDemocrat on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:21:33 PM PDT

  •  I had no idea (1+ / 0-)
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    that this man was a conservative(and, I say that with a small 'c').... Also, I bet it sucks to be his wife!

    May today be greater than yesterday, and tomorrow be greater than both! Go Ravens!

    by secret38b on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:28:34 PM PDT

  •  Who's attacking him for race? He's being attacked (12+ / 0-)

    because he's a bigoted moron.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:28:55 PM PDT

  •  An Old Charge From the Land of Opposite Speak. (3+ / 0-)
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    But given that they refuse to advance beyond the year of Brown vs Board they still think they can win the Black vote by pointing to Lincoln on their side and the Dixiecrats on ours.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:31:18 PM PDT

  •  he needs to stick to cutting into brains (7+ / 0-)

    being an MD makes does not make him an expert on anything else

  •  I see (6+ / 0-)

    Dr. Carson is reaching out to the many African-Americans in Mark Levin's audience.  I guess this is part of the GOP's minority-friendly re-branding.  

    "Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred." Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by djbender on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:32:17 PM PDT

  •  Well, so do a lot of folks. (0+ / 0-)

    There's a vein of academic thought that all white Americans are inherently racist, and it's been supported by a number of folks onsite, including some who claim that 'racism' is inherently American, and reject the notion that any other majority group in any other country can be said to be 'racist' towards minority groups in their countries.

    Carson's a buffoon, but blanket calling the left racists does at least have some history among RWers of late, so he's not alone.

    •  "White Guilt" Is A Classic White Supremacist Trope (4+ / 0-)
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      The never explain what it is, but it's an all powerful force that glues the universe together.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:42:37 PM PDT

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    •  That's not what he is talking about (7+ / 0-)

      Carson is presenting the argument that white liberals are racist because they label and stereotype all African-Americans as being unable to think for themselves, and that all blacks should have the same monolithic political views in line with the liberal agenda.

      Which some may indeed be guilty of.

      But he and Levin omit the obvious:

      - Yes, I would think that Hispanics would be against Rep. Young (R) when he goes around using the term "wetback" like it has the same connotation as the word "Hispanic". I don't demand that Hispanics all have the same viewpoint on all issues, nor do I discount their capability to come to their own conclusions, but I really would not understand how an Hispanic person could continue as a supporter of Rep. Young at this point.

      - Yes, I would think that Asian-Americans, especially those of Chinese descent, would be against Republican Senate candidate Jon Raese (WV) when he and his supporters think it's funny to call Secretary of Energy Chu "Mr. Cho, Mr. Chung, Mr. Chow Mein, whatever". I don't demand that Asian-Americans all have the same viewpoint on all issues, nor do I discount their capability to come to their own conclusions, but I really would not understand how they could continue as a supporter of Mr. Raese at this point.

      - Yes, I would think that African-Americans would decline to take part in the "conservative" movement espoused by CPAC, when the CPAC forum on reaching out to minorities is taken over by a white guy who thinks that Frederick Douglas had nothing to forgive his master for, because that master gave him a roof over his head, clothes and food. And when most of that room applauded that comment, I would think that most African-Americans would be turned off by that. I don't demand that African-Americans all have the same viewpoint on all issues, nor do I discount their capability to come to their own conclusions, but I really would not understand how they could continue as a supporter of CPAC at this point.

      I could, of course, go on all day, but I think you get the picture.  Sadly, Levin and Carson will never get it.

      Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

      by absdoggy on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:54:51 PM PDT

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      •  Carson Attacks Bedrock Conservative Belief (4+ / 0-)
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        Carson is presenting the argument that white liberals are racist because they label and stereotype all African-Americans as being unable to think for themselves, and that all blacks should have the same monolithic political views in line with the liberal agenda.
        He's disagreeing with the fundamental argument that goobers make on every conservative comment thread - that blacks only vote liberal because they are simple minded and childlike.  So what's his explanation? It must be convoluted.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:26:19 PM PDT

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        •  Or Just A Clown Just Repeating Wingnut Racism? (1+ / 0-)
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          Is this just a variation on the old cliche

          Pornography?  What pornography?  Oh this is for study purposes only because it is so appalling and shocking!
          Because he's really just repeating some very tired cliches that black people are too dumb to vote responsibly, which is just the message that red state voters want to hear as they restrict voting rights.

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:04:30 PM PDT

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  •  Well, he did present a LOT of evidence of (3+ / 0-)
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    that racism.  Such as the case where all those liberals said.... OK, wait. There's that other instance he mentions of those liberals holding signs with....

    Nevermind. I was thinking of some tea party rallies.

    Proud to be a Truth Vigilante

    by Calvino Partigiani on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:32:32 PM PDT

  •  Lib Racist Against Whom? Blacks? The "Aryan Race?" (0+ / 0-)

    There are multiple theories about liberal racism you know...

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:37:35 PM PDT

  •  The good news: The black liberals who despise him (8+ / 0-)

    ... do so because they think he's a douchebag.

    Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

    by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:38:07 PM PDT

  •  No, Dr. Carson (6+ / 0-)

    We (or at least, I) don't diminish your ability to think for yourself.

    I just criticize you because you're using that ability to pursue policies of greed that disenfranchise hoards of people. Specifically, policies that have a disproportionally detrimental effect on people of color.

    You don't "have" to think any way. I don't think you're simple. I think your political mentality displays a depraved separation from the reality of the world, and it evidences the worst possible elements of "I got mine, so screw you" mentality.

    This makes no mention of the fact that you're allowing yourself to be used by many people who only accept you as their equal because your professional success has "unblackened" you in their eyes. The perfect example of how very racist white people rationalize accepting a black person into their social sphere: he might as well be white!

    Also, fuck you.

    "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

    by Grizzard on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:40:06 PM PDT

  •  I saw this earlier today (2+ / 0-)
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        Ben Carson has turned into a strange person.    No one said a word about his Sunday go-to-meeting speech, I even listened to it - and it didn't spin like I read in the media.
         But, when his remarks on Hannity were pushed, it seems that he has decided to ramp up his personal POV over his professional career and is now doubling down.
         I don't know or understand how an accomplished surgeon is more than willing to essentially say that his entire medical career was a big cover-up and now that he is ending that phase, he has decided to let out all the pent-up hatred/ anger about the life he led -
          Dude, you chose a public venue from which to make slurs about the LGBT community.   If you don't like receiving negative feedback, then please quit talking.  

  •  When you start using Alan West talking points (2+ / 0-)
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    It's probably a good sign you should stop talking.

    "We are not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people." - future President Paul Ryan.

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:49:19 PM PDT

  •  I'm really uncomfortable with this (4+ / 0-)

    conversation, and I a lot expect better from DKOS.  I don't agree with Mr. Carson on much of anything, I'd wager, but when a person of color says an institution is racist, the right response is to LISTEN, not to dismiss the issue out of hand ("he's a wing nut.").  Dismissing accounts of racism (even those you don't think are accurate) strikes me as, well...pretty f-ing racist.  It seems to me that Mr. Carson's position is that white liberals tend to pigeonhole black people, assuming they're a monolith in terms of political beliefs.  I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's not an outrageous assertion, and it's certainly a conversation worth having.  

    Let's not pretend that being a liberal automatically makes you free from various -isms.  Being an ally means listening to the stories of black folks, even when those stories challenge your own deeply held beliefs.  

    •  FYI, he's a doctor &!hes acting like a typical (4+ / 0-)

      Neurosurgeon, arrogant & bullying. Now he's being a crybaby, typical rotten RW radical tool.

      He needs to man up.

    •  So Write Your First Diary (1+ / 0-)
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      That is such a convenient response.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:28:26 PM PDT

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    •  ... (1+ / 0-)
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      I wouldn't call these comments racist but pumped with white liberal privilege, and the denial of white liberal racism is nothing new here.

      The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

      by lcj98 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:47:46 PM PDT

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      •  ... (0+ / 0-)

        "white liberal privilege" (or 'whit', as the case may be) ...
        you do seem to use that phrase a lot. Whether you care or not, it comes across as condescending, dismissive, and assuming a knowledge of motivation for another human being, which isn't always possible (unless one is a mind reader, which, come to think of it, may well account for that  ::blank stare:: you frequently ascribe to in comments).
        Nevertheless, I point this out on the off chance that you did not realize how abrasive your comments are when you use the 'white privilege' diminutive; it's unhelpful, divisive, and sets a rather unproductive tone when used in a discussion.
        We're a big, diverse and generally inclusive tent here on dkos. Of course, maybe that's just my 'white privileged' perception, as your ::blank stare:: may well have divined.


        Information is power. But; like all power, there are those who want to keep it for themselves. Aaron Swartz ~1986-2013~

        by Lisa Lockwood on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:08:15 AM PDT

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    •  No one is saying... (1+ / 0-)
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      that liberals aren't racist, if you live in the U.S.A. you are racist, but it's not racist to call him out on his homophobia.

      This makes about as much sense as Mike Huckabee on mescaline. - Prodigal 2-6-2008

      by Tonedevil on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:49:28 PM PDT

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    •  "They're the most racist people there are." (2+ / 0-)
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      The problem with Dr Carson is that he makes a dumb comment like this, and it creates some parity between liberals who disagree with him and what "the most racist people" really do and say.  He knows better.  He is pandering to an audience and attempting to portray himself as a victim of "the most racist people."  Honestly, this line of attack works, ask Clarence Thomas.  But it is a lie.  

      Disagreeing with someone's point of view is different from hanging someone, burning someone, arresting whole families, randomly shooting people of color, barring them from schools or housing or jobs or education.  It's different from not allowing people of color to marry certain other people of color or white people.  It is different from the evil of human bondage.  

      He's a hyberbolic self-important shill.  What an ego.  

      If anyone wants to discuss real racism, by white liberals or conservatives or within our own communities of color, I am happy to engage in that conversation.  Dr Carson is making shit up to make himself important.  And failing to address real institutional and systematic racism.  

      "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

      by Uncle Moji on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:50:55 PM PDT

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    •  You're kidding, right? This is a right-wing trope (2+ / 0-)
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      that was old when I was in college and I'm a member of the oldest brigade of the "Baby Boom."   All it deserves is derision.  

      In fact, IMO, most AA people vote Democratic because they're smart and aware where their own self-interest lies.  Like many liberals/progressives, I do think that Dem politicians do take AAs for granted, just like they take workers, unions, retirees, Latins, Asians, etc., etc. for granted, because the party is really a center-right corporatist party rather than a center-left labor party.  But that doesn't mean that people who vote for the Dems as BY FAR the lesser of two evils and occassionally a positive good are being gulled in some way.  

      It is true that I have difficulty understanding how an otherwise intelligent AA (or Mexican-American or gay or union-member or academic or . . .) citizen would be a conservative Republican in the absence of self-centered financial interest, training in a primitivist religious sect, or racial/ethnic/identity self-hatred.  All three influences seem apparent in Dr. Carson's case.  

      Everything I've read about Carson has said he is a devout Seventh-Day Adventist, which means that he likely believes in scriptural inerrancy, including the literal six-day creation of Genesis.  And you want us to take seriously something said by an M.D. so cognitively confused that he is apparently also a fundamentalist seriously?  You want us to take Congressman Dr. Broun seriously too?

      "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

      by Oliver St John Gogarty on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:09:16 PM PDT

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      •  P.S. I wouldn't have said the same things in (2+ / 0-)
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        the 1950's or 1960's up until the 1968 election, when Nixon's "Southern strategy" put AAs on notice that the Republicans would be using them as scapegoats to attract as much of the racist previously Democratic vote as they could, a strategy that they have now for 45 years carried out assiduously and with great effect, in the sense that the Republican party is now the home of the vast majority of the most racist voters in the country.  Are many, if not all, white liberals racist in some way?  It would be foolish to suggest otherwise.  But Carson's claim is essentially a variation of the childish, "I know we are, but you're even worse," which, in this case, is not just childish but patently ridiculous.  

        "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

        by Oliver St John Gogarty on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:23:29 PM PDT

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  •  He thinks he's going to be our next president. (4+ / 0-)

    That's so adorable!

    Having said that, well, yeah, of course there are racist liberals. I think the past five years have proven that.

    Of course, when he claims that liberals are "the most racist people," that's ridiculous. The bigots on the right are blatantly racist. On the liberal side, it's often a case of being latently racist.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:26:43 PM PDT

  •  Didn't he say "obama is trying to destroy USA" (1+ / 0-)
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    Crazy guy. Degree or not, eff him. That's the type of shit Bachman would say.  He doesn't get a pass because he's black.

    I thought conservatives didn't like race victim card?

    Oh, I don't see the knives out for Powell or Rice.  Hell, Sen. Scott from South Carolina is very conservative, and came in with the tea party wave, but he's not out there saying stupid stuff all the time.

    Can't wait for this jokers 15 minutes to be up.

  •  Reminds me of Marco Rubio (2+ / 0-)
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    In the fact that if a conservative thinks he'd EVER win the African American vote (i.e. they underestimate that race's intelligence) they'd be sadly mistaken. Morons.

    "I don't want a line in the Sand lines can be moved. They can be blown away. I want a six foot trench carved into granite."

    by theone718 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:59:05 PM PDT

  •  Some certainly are (1+ / 0-)
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    There aren't universals. How you deal with your racism is what matters. A person can have a deep seated opposition to something emotionally and still realize its irrational.

    http://callatimeout.blogspot.com/ Jesus Loves You.

    by DAISHI on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:03:56 PM PDT

  •  Certainly some liberals are racist (2+ / 0-)
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    Here is my most memorable incident of white liberal racism.

    I was talking with a friend of several years who is a liberal white professor from a prestigious university.  He was telling me how one of the most important aspects of legal abortion is that it is "vastly disproportionally used by poor Blacks and helps keep their population down."

    I just let him speak on so he could show himself further, which he did, before I told him how much I disagreed.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:14:39 PM PDT

  •  I bet someone in his shoes got a lot of (0+ / 0-)

    racist treatment, comments, and just whiffs of bias over the course of his training and career as an elite surgeon. I can imagine much of it was like "get back in your place", especially training decades ago.

    That more or most of that bias was from liberals is a pretty hard stretch though. MAybe most white people around him are or Were liberals (highly educated academic atmosphere) so their racism and hypocracy really galled him. Hard to believe they truly are the WORST worse than concervatives though.  He may label his experience with Whites as "White liberals" because that is what they happened to be in that setting. Perhaps the White concervatives he knows are not in the fiercely competative world of academic medicine and elite neurosurgery...maybe the white concervatives he knows are from another part of his life.

    or not.

    •  conservatives (sigh). tired. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Certainly (0+ / 0-)

      I was an attending at Hopkins when black physicians were very few (1980's) So I know from personal experience that the attitude towards black physicians by their white colleagues was patronizing, paternalistic and bigoted.

      Carson was put on a pedestal because of his biography and his achievement (director of pediatric neurosurgery--a very small department).

      I don't doubt his religious conservatism--in many ways, it is not that much different than that one would find throughout the black community.

      He is believing his PR too much. Frankly, I was surprised that he spoke the way he did at the National Prayer Breakfast: I suspect he was put up to it as first, I can't imagine he would have said the same if Bill Clinton was president and second, because his 'analysis' of ACA was so simplistic and full of RW memes. So I think he has the likes of Roger Ailes, talking in his ear and he is believing it.

      Keep fightin' for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't you forget to have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous, ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can produce.---Molly Ivins

      by never forget 2000 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:26:48 PM PDT

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      •  thanks for your interesting analysis (1+ / 0-)
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        twenty years ago in academic science there was an undercurrent of " patronizing, paternalistic" at women, one that my younger friends (20s) cannot believe, it is so far (they report) outside of their own experience....so it wasn't a stretch to imagine how'd they'd treat a Black collegue.

        It's probably more accurate for him to say "White people are racist".

        •  It was bad as a woman, too (1+ / 0-)
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          When I interviewed for both med school and residency in the late 70s, it was routine to be asked when was I getting married and when I planned to have children. The theory was that female physicians only practiced for about 10 - 15 years and then went on to raise families whereas a male physician would easily practice for 40 years. Women and minorities were taking up spaces that 'belonged' to white males. We also took overnight call every three days and you stayed with your patient for as long as it took to stabilize. A different world.

          Keep fightin' for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't you forget to have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous, ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can produce.---Molly Ivins

          by never forget 2000 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 04:44:32 AM PDT

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  •  Some Parts Sound Completely Unhinged (2+ / 0-)
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    "And that's why the attacks against me have been so vicious because I represent, you know, an existential threat to them. They need to shut me up, they need to get rid of me. They can't find anything else to delegitimize me. So they take my words, misinterpret them, and try to make it seem that I'm a bigot."
    OK, now this part sounds really paranoid
    And that's why the attacks against me have been so vicious..... They need to shut me up, they need to get rid of me.
    And this has a nice Charlie Sheen grandiosity
    I represent, you know, an existential threat to them.
    Usually you'd need to read a 50,000 word terrorist manifesto to find gems like this.

    Oh, and this part....I think we've kicked this can down the road a million times

    So they take my words, misinterpret them, and try to make it seem that I'm a bigot.
    If people keep calling you a "bigot" you might be a bigot.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:53:43 PM PDT

    •  He's a whiny crybaby which is surprising (0+ / 0-)

      Considering that he is a neurosurgeon.

      You have to be pretty tough to complete the training and practice.

      •  Paid His Dues But Blaming Racism For It? (0+ / 0-)

        There were actually times in my life where I said to myself "With all the completely gratuitous bullshit and cruelty  I'm being subjected to, if I weren't white, I would surely be tempted to blame racism."

        It's possible he payed his dues the usual way and blamed racism because his "brilliance" wasn't getting the due he felt he deserved.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:20:32 PM PDT

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  •  Carson: Steele, Keyes, Watts (0+ / 0-)

    He is only the latest in a line of so called conservative black Republicans that have been touted for the national stage.(If he runs for the Senate, he will be the third black candidate that the GOP has tried to run in Maryland)  He has been listening to his own PR for a while. He has no idea about the national political stage. Carson will find out what Watts found out and Thomas dare not say: the GOP will never see blacks, no matter how conservative or accomplished, as equals in America. Some liberal whites may be bigoted, but conservatives seek to continue institutional racism.  He'll wake up.

    Keep fightin' for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't you forget to have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous, ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can produce.---Molly Ivins

    by never forget 2000 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:04:46 PM PDT

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