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Mike Huckabee on Fox News
Radio host and perennial "prominent Republican" Mike Huckabee is rapidly becoming what Rush Limbaugh used to be 20 years ago. (What Rush is now we'll leave as the topic for another time.) Here Huckabee is embracing the far-right militia logic of violence and conspiracy theories with open arms, and then some:
CALLER: I’m very concerned, it seems like there’s so many people who have not read and do not understand how quickly Germany was turned into, it was a democracy, then turned into a dictatorship by  everyone having to register their guns and then they went door to door and collected them.

HUCKABEE: People do forget that. And by the way, [caller] know, that when you bring that up you get people who get crazy on us, and they’ll start saying, “Oh there you go comparing to the Nazis.” And I understand the reaction, but it’s the truth. You cannot take people’s rights away if they’re resisting and if they have the means to resist, but once they’re disarmed and the people who are trying to take over have all the power, not just political, not just financial, but they have the physical power to domesticate us and to subjugate us to our will there’s not a whole lot we can do about it other than just plan to die in the course of resistance. […] In every society and culture where dictators take over, one of the things they have to do is get control of the military and the police and ultimately all of the citizens and make sure the citizens are disarmed and can’t fight in the streets. Gosh I hope it doesn’t come to that.

Getting the first thing out of the way, no, it's not true; the Nazi regime weakened gun regulations, it didn't strengthen them. That's a lost cause, however, as it's one of the conservative "facts" that will stick around until long after the fall of civilization itself, and even after that, as future alien archeologists will be finding primitive cave paintings of Hitler taking people's guns away and displaying them in their alien museums as the one of the few remaining artifacts of western culture. So we're just going to ignore that part.

What's more interesting to me is that Mike Huckabee, the once supposedly reasonable Republican, continues to peddle crackpot, militia-level conspiracy theories to his audience with no apparent shame—but gosh, I hope it doesn't come to that, he says. The core notion is that we need lots and lots of guns in case patriots need to start murdering the government, so it goes without saying that fighting off even the most basic of gun safety efforts is a noble, patriotic clause. The current rate of mass murders and other random killings aren't the symptom of a problem, in this mindset, they're just the necessary validation that the citizenry does indeed have enough access to high-powered weaponry to murder a very large number of people quickly if any single one of them feels like it. Forget talk of well-regulated; any talk of regulating the ability of any one random person to commit such acts is tantamount to nascent dictatorship.

These people, the ostentatiously Christian Mike Huckabee included, look to the prospect of potential mass murder against the government as a perfectly valid political position to have. They look to such acts as potential patriotism; others would call the same thing terrorism, but all terrorists consider themselves patriots for one cause or another. The rather unusual thing about this particular crowd is how circular the logic is. They need to be able to murder the government if the government appears to be taking actions that limit their ability to murder that government, and that's usually the extent of the argument. Not as a group, mind you, but as individual citizens, each making the decision as to what would require government assassinations on their own, based on their own internal logic, armed with enough firepower by themselves to inflict enough necessary "damage" to make their point.

That's now the advocated-for position among everything from conservative radio hosts to the National Rifle Association to any number of obviously unhinged, heavily armed YouTube video hosts. How is that not nuts?

Originally posted to Hunter on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:48 PM PDT.

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  •  Because... (12+ / 0-)

    HITLER!

    Even when it's not. Typical Republican fact massage.




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:59:33 PM PDT

  •  Huckabee forgot WW1 (4+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, NormAl1792, blueyedace2, GAS

    Seems like the world went door to door and took away German guns and told them to leave guns alone. So where did all the guns come from that Hitler took away.

    Video games need more power and speed to be fun. Murder machines with more power and speed to kill aren't in our best interest. NRA and Huckabee confuse video games and guns.

    guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

    by 88kathy on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:00:37 PM PDT

  •  Personally, I'm training to be able to wrap every (4+ / 0-)

    finger and toe around a trigger.

    What's the point of letting neoliberals into the tent when neoliberalism is burning down the campground?

    by Words In Action on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:00:40 PM PDT

  •  "Gosh I hope it doesn't come to that" (10+ / 0-)

    What's your guess: Disingenuous or cynical?

    I'd like to see Pastor Huckabee pinned down on the subject: Who does he think Jesus would shoot? Where's the line? If a government official comes to tow his car for too many parking tickets, does Mike think it's okay for a citizen to draw down on the operator? What is a suitable pretext for blowing away a dictator or one of the dictator's minions?

    Huckabee's too cagey by half to set out ahead of time his purported rationale for shooting people, but his audience of meatheads probably won't have much difficulty siting their weapon and killing someone, because Mike Huckabee said they could (or at least didn't say they shouldn't).

    Huck's going to get someone killed, but it won't be his fault.

    •  Would JESUS fall for the lying manipulation, too? (0+ / 0-)
      I'd like to see Pastor Huckabee pinned down on the subject: Who does he think Jesus would shoot?
      In which case we must ask:  is GOD as big an idiot as 'his' followers?

      I am a leaf on the wind - i hover, twirl, float,
      Weightless, frictionless, I fly

      by chmood on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:22:05 AM PDT

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      •  If Jesus were alive today (1+ / 0-)
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        Eyesbright

        he and his disciples would be packing semi-automatics. He would never have been dragged to Calvary, nailed to a cross, died, resurrected, and saved Mike Huckabee and all his ranting, righteous, true-believer nutcases.

        Almost makes me want to oppose gun control.

        The only question worth asking a Tea Party Republican is "What do you want to be when you grow up?"

        by ebrann on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:06:34 PM PDT

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        •  Except they are not true believers (2+ / 0-)
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          Truth is universal, it is true among all religions.
          And those few truths including loving one another and taking care of the earth are just not part of their wrong headed and hearted beliefs.
          So they could not be true followers of Jesus the Christ, they are the ones Jesus warned about.....

          "Compassion is the keen awareness of the interdependence of all things." Thomas Merton

          by createpeace on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:15:26 PM PDT

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    •  do we learn nothing from jesus (1+ / 0-)
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      floydgrant

      Some christians like Huckabee seem to seem to think that problems can only be solved by murdering other people.  Jesus, of course, showed us that we must sacrifice ourselves to make the world a better place. That the righteous only need the power of being in the right.  

      Rosa Parks was not out there with a Remington.  No MLK had to sacrifice himself, Emmet Till had to be tortured, along with countless other black men and women.

      The people at Stonewall did not fight back with Ar-15s.  They fought back with stilettos.  They fought for their right to wear a dress even if they are women.

      Of course we know that for oppression you need guns.  You need to gun down people who just want to march over a bridge.  You need to gun down people who want to raise a family with whomever they love.  You need to gun down the people who you don't want in your neighborhood.

      So perhaps Huckabee does read the bible.  He might just choose to make Pharaoh and Judas the hero.

      Reminds me of a old Ray Stevens Song.  Would Jesus Wear a Rolex.

      •  Sigh..... (0+ / 0-)

        Sometimes I wish these morans would just start shooting at the gubmit - Army bases, Marine bases, Ranger/SEAL training facilities - ya know, take the fight to the enemy. Just fucking get it over with. The sooner the forest of morans gets thinned out, the better. And I'm all for letting the experts drain their fevered swamp. Just get it over with, you morans.

  •  Only to those of his political leaning? (2+ / 0-)
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    What if militia has "resisted" and fought back he Bush Administration for the use of US troops to illegally attack and invade a sovereign country? Would Huckabee have backed them?

    •  Absolutely right. (3+ / 0-)
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      Eyesbright, Sue B, floydgrant

      Gun nuts only have guns to prevent the guvmint from taking their guns.  The (long) spate of right wing nuts shooting cops and D.A.'s and doctors who provide abortions because they. . . pulled them over to check their licenses. . .or were prosecuting them for running meth labs. . .or providing health care. . . .

      As Huckabee implies: why vote when you can threaten to or actually pull the trigger?

      the fact that you're right is nothing more than interesting

      by Egg on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:33:08 PM PDT

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  •  Why do I hear drool at "Fighting In the Streets"? (2+ / 0-)
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    Perhaps it's just salivating...

    I dunno... such a common thing for certain folks on a certain side of a certain political spectrum to talk about.

    /snark

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:09:29 PM PDT

  •  Look at it from a different angle. (4+ / 0-)

    It's still nuts if you look at it differently.

    Widespread gun ownership has done nothing to prevent the loss of civil rights. It didn't stop Daniel Brewington's imprisonment for criticizing the government in his blog. It didn't stop the drug laws that allow the government to lock someone up for 11 years for hitching a ride with the wrong people, and that allow seizing a small businessman's cash receipts at the discretion of the police. It didn't stop Brett Bursey's prosecution for displaying a "No War For Oil" sign. It didn't stop two women from being arrested for wearing Kerry buttons. It didn't stop BART police from summarily executing Oscar Grant.

    Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

    by Dogs are fuzzy on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:10:27 PM PDT

  •  Neo-Con plan revealed. (4+ / 0-)
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    In every society and culture where dictators take over, one of the things they have to do is get control of the military and the police and ultimately all of the citizens and make sure the citizens are disarmed and can’t fight in the streets.

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:10:53 PM PDT

  •  As many others have pointed out (4+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, Gooserock, psyched, Miggles

    Just extend your nutty fantasy to its logical conclusion. Your AR-15 will not help you one bit against the most heavily armed and technically advanced army the world has ever known.

    •  And In the Surveillance State They'd All Be Roundd (2+ / 0-)
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      up in their homes if they ever began to organize for any real action. Hell we do this to unarmed protesters now.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:30:20 PM PDT

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  •  That explains quite a bit about conservatives (3+ / 0-)
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    They resist domestication...they prefer to remain unfit for domestic life, to live around human habitations, to be ordinary people.

    We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

    by tytalus on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:22:04 PM PDT

    •  Not all conservatives, but most certainly (5+ / 0-)

      the ones with the biggest megaphones.

      I will never forget this nutbar's speech at the RNC in 2008.  It was one of the most mean-spirited speeches I'd ever heard and I was just shocked that he claimed to be a pastor.  Just ugly from the inside out.

      Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

      by PsychoSavannah on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:39:11 PM PDT

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  •  Why is it (1+ / 0-)
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    That the Right seems more and more like normal Jack Chick Tract?

    (I liked this tract because it has a trifecta of  bashing Catholics, Mormons, and the BDSM community).

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:37:36 PM PDT

  •  Sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Penny GC

    And they call Obama the antichrist.  Go figure?

    Everyone is crying out for peace; no one's crying out for justice...

    by mojave mike on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:54:15 PM PDT

  •  Huckabee is a bona-fide wack-job (1+ / 0-)
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    Buckeye54

    and it'll take more than bass-playing skills to appeal to the youth constituent.  And I doubt that this douchewad will be appearing on Daily Show/Colbert anymore.  He is quickly going the way of Limblow: bloated and irrelevant.

  •  Easy enough to understand (0+ / 0-)

    Ultimately, this guy, like a lot of the rest of the religious loonies, wants to live by 12th century rules, when the basic organization of society was around armed militias.  

    Interestingly enough, firearms and the printing press ended this.  The printing press part should be obvious.  But firearms, which tended to benefit large military establishments, contributed to the decline in feudalism.  

    The Confederacy that Huckabee is so fond of lost because their concept of military training revolved around medieval conceptions of warfare; once Grant took charge, the US concept revolved around bigger guns, logistics, and the Patton Doctrine ("your job isn't to die for your country.  Your job is to make sure the other poor bastard dies for his country.")

    •  Actually (2+ / 0-)
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      Eyesbright, Sue B

      Feudalism ended with the Bubonic Plague in the mid 14th Century and the hundred years war which ended in the beginning of the 15th Century. One third of Europe died off counting even the lords of the manor. Any serfs who survived moved right in to the manor house.

      Gutenberg invented movable type in the mid 15th Century. http://en.wikipedia.org/...
      and actually contributed to the Reformation and the Renassaince which brought about the thirty years war in which guns played a big part.

      Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering.

      by harris stein on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:39:00 PM PDT

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  •  FORGET it??!? IT'S NOT TRUE. AT ALL! (0+ / 0-)
    CALLER: I’m very concerned, it seems like there’s so many people who have not read and do not understand how quickly Germany was turned into, it was a democracy, then turned into a dictatorship by  everyone having to register their guns and then they went door to door and collected them.

    HUCKABEE: People do forget that.

    Underscoring the perennial truth:  corrupt is more dependable than stupid....

    I am a leaf on the wind - i hover, twirl, float,
    Weightless, frictionless, I fly

    by chmood on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:19:01 AM PDT

    •  OMG I live in a dictatorship! (1+ / 0-)
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      Mathazar

      I have to have an official  permit to have my shotgun - and it's registered against my name. I am not allowed to have a handgun at all...Plainly according to Huckabee's standards, I live in a dictatorship.

      There I was, thinking that I lived in a democracy, what with voting and protesting and all.  

      I agree that my goverment does not always do as its population wants; hell a few years back we joined in the war in Iraq at your Mr Bush's behest and that wasn't exactly popular here.  

      But, the UK a dictatatorship?  No, Mr Huckabee, we just are lucky enough not to have the 2nd Amendment farce and your crazy gun lovers.

  •  Devil's Advocate moment: think Red Guard and SA (0+ / 0-)

    The idea is not to fight off the might of the assembled nation, but to defeat armies of political thugs who might be terrorizing the populace.  Think Tonton Macoute, think KKK.

    If a bunch o' "concerned citizens" like that show up armed in my parking lot & start rounding up my 'more colorful' neighbors, what do I do?  Hide?  Make sure they get me, too, by trying to talk them out of it?  Make them shoot me first by acting like the imaginary liberals in their heads?  Threaten to call the police?

    I am a leaf on the wind - i hover, twirl, float,
    Weightless, frictionless, I fly

    by chmood on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:17:54 AM PDT

  •  Wasn't Jesus... (4+ / 0-)

    ... a man of peace?

    I mean, his father was a real warmonger... but Jesus was cool, right?

  •  And Very Serious Pundits will go right on (6+ / 0-)

    talking about how "nice" Huckabee is with his crackpot militia nonsense.  Just like they did when he wanted to imprison people with HIV.

    I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

    by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:18:03 PM PDT

  •  the leader of the side that claims (5+ / 0-)

    they need guns to protect themselves from government tyranny.
    Never mind that the only people even talking about tyranny are they themselves, and that they're more of a threat to their own neighbors than to government, which has weapons that are more powerful than AR-15s.

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:23:49 PM PDT

    •  ..and given the logical conclusion (5+ / 0-)

      of THEIR argument, the first thing they would do, is suspend the Constitution.

      The figures looked more or less human. And they were engaged in religion. You could tell by the knives (it's not murder if you do it for a god).” ― Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

      by Bozmo2 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:41:28 PM PDT

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    •  The Weimar Republic was undermined by (1+ / 0-)
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      floydgrant

      armed right-wing vigilante groups like the Freikorps and Kapp Brigades-- more than anything else they created the anarchy that helped bring the Nazis to victory at the ballot box.

      Today American liberty is most threatened by armed vigilantism, not by some absurd Federal Govt/ZOG conspiracy.

  •  Huck/Beck etc. are nothing more then (4+ / 0-)

    a current version of the movies "A face in the Crowd" or "Elmer Gantry". The problem is that the people that need to see those movies as a warning, think it's a film on how to do whats right.

  •  "Gosh" Department of Heimat/Homeland Security (1+ / 0-)
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    In every society and culture where dictators take over, one of the things they have to do is get control of the military and the police and ultimately all of the citizens and make sure the citizens are disarmed and can’t fight in the streets. Gosh I hope it doesn’t come to that.
    With more than 200,000 employees, DHS is the third largest Cabinet department, after the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs.

    Warning - some snark above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 Acedia is essentially a flight from the world that leads to not caring even that one does not care

    by annieli on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:31:20 PM PDT

  •  Conservative's echo chamber will only make them (1+ / 0-)
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    more unelectable going forward. They are losing the ability to talk to the middle of the electorate.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:33:11 PM PDT

  •  And when Hucklefucker's more deeply (0+ / 0-)

    drooling audience members act out on their 2nd amendment remedy FEMA camp blue beanied revenuer man fantasies it's one more useful billable idiot for the private prison industrial complex. If the moron lives. If not, then a hefty payload of hastily replaced material is expended: capital L Live practice exercises.

    You show a little grit and you lands in jail.

    by cal2010 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:40:22 PM PDT

  •  Huckabee is trotted out as a good-guy moderate (4+ / 0-)

    or something but he's not. He may play the bass but he is still a crazy, batshit wingnut extremist.

    The sooner we disabuse the world of its misconceptions about him the better.

    What's the point of letting neoliberals into the tent when neoliberalism is burning down the campground?

    by Words In Action on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:40:29 PM PDT

    •  I think the "moderate" stance was... (4+ / 0-)

      ...just something he trotted out for political expediency. In other words, the "moderateness" was an act for that particular time and place. He's been full-out wingnut for a good while now, leading me to believe that perhaps he always has been, and the Moderate Huck was a charade.

      Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

      by Icicle68 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:55:17 PM PDT

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  •  The Reverend Governor Huckabee, my former... (0+ / 0-)

    Governor, and his extreme fanatical evangelical followers ...
    are closely related to a sack of door knobs .

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:49:54 PM PDT

  •  they do realize the gov't has drones and nukes and (3+ / 0-)
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    the like, right?

    how far do they think they are going to get with their guns?

    yes, you can slaughter people in a school or a post office. But, you aren't going to disarm the US gov't.

    Better find another way to resist.

  •  WTF? (3+ / 0-)
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    "subjugate us to our will"?  What kind of disorder is it when a person is not subject to his own will?  Some kind of Tourette's syndrome?

  •  Conservatives and History (11+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately, history has - historically - been treated quite cavalierly by conservatives.

    The "Nazis disarmed everyone" claim doesn't accurately describe what happened in Nazi Germany.  It wasn't that the Nazi's opponents were disarmed.  It was that Hitler's movement achieved a partnership with the German Army and German industrialists that, alongside his potent populist movement twinning racial pride with resentment of minorities, allowed him to hold unchallenged power.  No amount of personal weapons in the hands of the Jews, leftists and others would have mattered - it would simply have made them easier targets.  Democracy itself was not that hard to undermine - the Weimar Republic was hardly stable even in the best of times.  The role of the Great Depression of course also played a major part.

    The other example, that Stalin and the Communists ruled through disarming the population, is also dubious.  The Communists took power in a series of coups and civil wars, during which they liquidated first their opponents on the left, then those on the right (the latter requiring open warfare between armies).  During the 1930's the Soviets instituted a series of measures that created a national reserve force of virtually every adult person.  When the Wehrmacht invaded in June 1941, they met resistance not only from the regular Soviet forces, but also these irregular forces.  

    Both the Nazis and Soviets used the militarization of their societies as political tools.  They put weapons in the hands of as many as they could as a means of control.  Neither society was a "disarmed" society where only a few had weapons.

    It is worth noting that irregular forces, alone, are not a magic pill for resisting superior forces.  They take enormous losses when pitted against enemy regular forces in open combat and typically are unable to stand for long.   This has been true since the American Revolutionary War up until the present.  What wins wars or forces a peace are main force regular armies.  

    Conservatives linking possession of weapons to power should bear in mind as well that history is full of examples of relatively unarmed populations overthrowing their governments simply because those governments no longer could compel obedience.  Quoting Mao ("power comes from the barrel of a gun") or Stalin ("how many divisions does the Pope have?") ignores the many figures who achieved major lasting change through peaceful means (e.g. Gandhi).

    The conservative mindset concerning the application of violence as the ultimate arbiter of human affairs is a brutish and primitive misreading of human history.  Yes, weapons matter quite a lot.  But they are only a tool and often backfire.

    "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

    by FDRDemocrat on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:02:27 PM PDT

  •  Taken one step further.... (3+ / 0-)
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    "They need to be able to murder the government if the government appears to be taking actions that limit their ability to murder that government"  all the while, as a group, insisting that defense spending must be increased at the expense of all else thusly bolstering the ability of the gubbamint to murder them.

  •  "Supposedly"... (0+ / 0-)

    ...yeah, right!

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:15:18 PM PDT

  •  What a surprise! (3+ / 0-)
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    Not. The "Everybody must be armed to the teeth to prevent the Communist takeover" John Birch Society masturbation fantasy of yesteryear has become the "Everybody must be armed to the teeth to prevent the liberal-secularist takeover" Tea Party/Evangelical masturbation fantasy, and the only difference is that the latter are the children of the former. What, did you really expect them to give up their guns when the Soviet Union fell? Of course not! Real Patriots find any paranoid insanity they can to keep the blood pumping and bullets flying.

    "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -- John Stuart Mill (March, 1866)

    by Blood on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:38:05 PM PDT

  •  1933 - Hitler Declares Germany A Christian Nation (6+ / 0-)

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Hitler had a deal religious leaders to gain dictatorial control of Germany via the Enabling Act:

    The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values......

        The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society......

        . ......The national Government will allow and confirm to the Christian denominations the enjoyment of their due influence in schools and education........And it will be concerned for the sincere cooperation between Church and State.

        The struggle against the materialistic ideology (reference to Marxist dialectics) and for the erection of a true people's community (Volksgemeinschaft) serves as much the interests of the German nation as of our Christian faith. ...

        The national Government, seeing in Christianity the unshakable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people, attaches utmost importance to the cultivation and maintenance of the friendliest relations with the Holy See. ...The rights of the churches will not be curtailed; their position in relation to the State will not be changed.

    -Hitler

    And that's who Hitler was, you lying motherfucker

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:38:53 PM PDT

    •  Huckabee would be first in line (1+ / 0-)
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      to round up the gays for "relocation".

      Heck, you'd get run over if you got in his way.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:05:03 PM PDT

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  •  He got an awkward white slavery dog whistle in too (4+ / 0-)
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    they have the physical power to domesticate us and to subjugate us
    Yep, that scary black man is going to take all of your guns away and then domesticate you?
  •  If only (2+ / 0-)
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    As much as I believe it will never happen I would love to see these gun humping fat asses "resist."  They have no idea what it is like to face trained and lead soldiers who can take more than three quick steps without needing to take a knee.  And while its easy to be a tough guy at the range its a bit different when someone is shooting back at you.  I would relish the photo ops of NRA loving idiots with pee soaked and feces loaded pants the first time someone sent a round even close to them.  Dream on douche  bags.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:50:08 PM PDT

  •  "Age-old Dramas of Threat, Vengeance, Salvation" (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.beyondthechoir.org/...

    Like James Carville lamented on Meet the Press after John Kerry lost the 2004 Presidential election, "They produce a narrative, we produce a litany." Sociologist Francesca Polletta expounds on this in It Was Like a Fever: Story-telling in Protest and Politics:
    The Republicans gave voters villains and heroes; new characters in age-old dramas of threat, vengeance, and salvation. The Democrats ticked off a dry list of familiar issues.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:54:49 PM PDT

  •  The truth is the Nazis took over Germany using (2+ / 0-)
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    fear, lies on the radio and well-armed thugs to overthrow the duly elected government.  Huckabee and his ilk are simply advocating the same tactics.

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:57:17 PM PDT

    •  i was thinking that. the common german didn't seem (0+ / 0-)

      too resistant wishing they could just stand up and fight but darn no gun.

      i wasn't there, but it seems like there was insufficient will to resist.  as long as the target is 'other' huckabee won't be joining any resistance.  he will always be on the side of the 'reicht'.

      it wasn't persecution by a liberal government that persuaded the earliest immigrants to escape to the Americas.

      by dunnjen on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 05:20:04 AM PDT

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  •  Huckabee, nothing more than a Palin in pants. (2+ / 0-)
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    Both grifters.  

    Do you ever wonder what these grifters, aka professional politicians would do if they couldn't suck off the government teat for a living?

    Surely some "think" tank will pick up their sorry asses and give them a home and income.

    Would that the ordinary American could expect as much.

    In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

    by Sixty Something on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:07:15 PM PDT

  •  Wait a minute, I see an analogy here (2+ / 0-)
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    to the people on Daily Kos who tell me that I shouldn't vote in 2014 or vote for some cockamamy 3rd party and let the republicans win the senate and house and then the white house in 2016 thereby bringing more Scalias and Alitos on the supreme court as if we don't have enough already.

    These people, ............... , look to the prospect of potential ....... against the government as a perfectly valid political position to have. They look to such acts as potential patriotism; others would call the same thing terrorism, but all terrorists consider themselves patriots for one cause or another. The rather unusual thing about this particular crowd is how circular the logic is. They need to be able to murder the government if the government appears to be taking actions that limit their ability to murder that government, and that's usually the extent of the argument. Not as a group, mind you, but as individual citizens, each making the decision as to what would require government assassinations on their own, based on their own internal logic, armed with enough firepower by themselves to inflict enough necessary "damage" to make their point.
    So, yeah, let's "assassinate" the democratic leadership in 2014 and then our chances of keeping the white house in 2016 because Obama is taking positions contrary to .............. socialism. Fuck socialism.

    Please, I've had enough of this shit. In 2000, Ralph Nader assassinated Al Gore. Now we have people on Daily Kos telling me I must repeat this. Fuck them. I will be voting straight democrat as long as I am alive.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering.

    by harris stein on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:22:06 PM PDT

  •  Is this 1859 and 1860? If i am not mistaken, (1+ / 0-)
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    this kind of talk eventually led to the civil war? And what do you know, it's mostly from the descendants and region of those who got away with treason.

    •  Except now people like Huckabee are not nearly... (5+ / 0-)

      ... tough enough to carry off any such thing. Now, we've got a bunch of out-of-shape white losers crowing about their guns and "watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots" and the rest of their blustering bullshit, but the truth is that these jackasses would have to get out of their Barcoloungers first.

      And that ain't gonna' happen.

      As I've noted before, Huckabee and the rest of goofy gun crowd strap on their piece every time they have to run out to the store to grab another quart of ice cream.

      Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

      by Bob Johnson on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:46:42 PM PDT

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  •  I guess we can scratch Huckster off the list of (1+ / 0-)
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    serious presidential contenders.  Oh, he's more than welcome to pitch a tent in Iowa and bring his B-thumping bag of crazy down upon the 2016 crop of GOP "contenders" — in fact I highly encourage it — but he's now got something even worse than a senator's voting record hanging around his neck: his podcasts.

    And c'mon Huckster - as far as I can tell, Saddam didn't relieve the citizens of Iraq of their guns (granted - they didn't stockpile them even close to the insane degree that paranoid American right-wingers do).

    TRAP: Targeted Regulation of Ammunition Providers.

    by here4tehbeer on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:32:17 PM PDT

  •  What I'm reading (0+ / 0-)

    Beautiful Souls by Eyal Press is a thoughtful study of what motivates people to act either to save lives or to refuse killing, and in doing so, oppose either the law or community opinion, or both. The third chapter examines the decisions of Avner Wishnitzer, an Israeli "refusenik. The author notes that if you say that conscience is the ultimate and only guide, you run into the problem of others claiming a similar individual authority to do the complete opposite. The example given is that of religiously driven Israeli soldiers who refuse to engage in the forced evacuation and destruction of illegal settlements.
    What does this have to do with the 2nd Amendment fanatics? Quoting from the diary:

    The rather unusual thing about this particular crowd is how circular the logic is. They need to be able to murder the government if the government appears to be taking actions that limit their ability to murder that government, and that's usually the extent of the argument. Not as a group, mind you, but as individual citizens, each making the decision as to what would require government assassinations on their own, based on their own internal logic, armed with enough firepower by themselves to inflict enough necessary "damage" to make their point.
    How to resolve this? Press writes the following:
    Measured by depth and sincerity of conviction, perhaps there wasn't much difference between left- and right-wing refuseniks in the Israeli army. Measured by moral content, there clearly was. One way to draw it out, it seemed to me, was by applying the standard Adam Smith might have proposed, assessing the ability--or inability--of those saying no to stretch their moral imagination by putting themselves in the shoes of people who were suffering and extending sympathy to them.
    I think we know just how much moral imagination the NRA has, to be able to put themselves in the shoes of the victims, including families and friends, of gun violence. And yes, it's that Adam Smith, who also wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
  •  Mike is a classic tough talker on guns. (1+ / 0-)
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    Out-of-shape white clown.

    I would wager that describes a huge percentage of gun nuts like Huckabee and a huge chunk of the concealed/open carry crowd.

    Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

    by Bob Johnson on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:43:17 PM PDT

  •  Once they get another WMR in the White House (0+ / 0-)

    There won't be all this talk of fightin' the gobbmint, doncha know? Then all will be copacetic. All will be whitey tidy.
    WMR=White Male Republican

    "Let's stay together"--Rev. Al Green and President Obama

    by collardgreens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:53:19 PM PDT

  •  Oh Jeez (2+ / 0-)
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    They always make it sound like Hitler somehow brainwashed an entire country into being his mindless automatons.

    He didn't sneak in, take everyone's guns, then tear off his mask, laugh maniacally and impose a dictatorship.

    The Germans wanted a Hitler to follow. They couldn't wait for a Hitler to come along and restore their "former glory".

    Sure, not everybody went along with it but those thousands of people at the Nuremberg rallies weren't forced to attend at bayonet point.

    The Germans weren't going "Oh no! If only we had guns we could have stopped this!"

    They were being handed guns and sent off to invade the rest of Europe.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:54:38 PM PDT

  •  OP is not quite accurate (0+ / 0-)

    "Getting the first thing out of the way, no, it's not true; the Nazi regime weakened gun regulations, it didn't strengthen them."

    The regime weakened firearm restrictions for MOST Germans.  They confiscated weapons from my people.

    The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

    by Not A Bot on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:37:44 PM PDT

  •  Purpose (1+ / 0-)
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    If you do not like Huckabee's answer, that is fine. But you still have to answer, what is the purpose of the second Amendment?

    A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

    The original intent and purpose of the Second Amendment was to preserve and guarantee, not grant, the pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms. Although the amendment emphasizes the need for a militia, membership in any militia, let alone a well-regulated one, was not intended to serve as a prerequisite for exercising the right to keep arms.

    The Second Amendment preserves and guarantees an individual right for a collective purpose. That does not transform the right into a "collective right." The militia clause was a declaration of purpose, and preserving the people's right to keep and bear arms was the method the framers chose to, in-part, ensure the continuation of a well-regulated militia.

    There is no contrary evidence from the writings of the Founding Fathers, early American legal commentators, or pre-twentieth century Supreme Court decisions, indicating that the Second Amendment was intended to apply solely to active militia members.

    The Founders realized insurrections may occur from time to time and it is the militia's duty to suppress them. They also realized that however remote the possibility of usurpation was, the people with their arms, had the right to restore their republican form of government by force, if necessary, as an extreme last resort.
    Hamilton clearly states there exists a right of self-defense against a tyrannical government, and it includes the people with their own arms and adds:
    [T]he people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate. Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prized!

    •  Whatever the intent of the founders was, (3+ / 0-)
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      is not relevant to today's society. What is relevant is that gun nuts are slaughtering Americans every year.

      By cold calculated intent, by hotblooded rage, by sheer insanity, and even by accident, they slaughter men, women, children and even themselves by the thousands. The science of gun manufacture has obliterated any reasonable purpose the Second Amendment might once have had.

      Firearms must be subject to 21st century regulation, not to  the thinking of 18th century leaders. They had no idea what firepower the 21st century might bring, nor what life in 21st century cities might be like.

       

      Note to Boehner and McConnell: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." --Bob Dylan-- (-7.25, -6.21)

      by Tim DeLaney on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:35:34 PM PDT

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    •  Plagiarism (4+ / 0-)
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      Commenter "limonada" is guilty of blatant copy-and-paste plagiarism, with not the slightest attempt at giving credit to the author/source.

      I Googled this part of limonada's comment verbatim with quotation marks and got 6,750 hits:

      "There is no contrary evidence from the writings of the Founding Fathers, early American legal commentators, or pre-twentieth century Supreme Court decisions, indicating that the Second Amendment was intended to apply solely to active militia members."
      It looks like every gun-damentalist blogger on the internet has plagiarized the same text.

      Here's the source that came out at the top of my Google search and it has limonada's entire comment (other than his first sentence):
      http://www.constitutionshow.us/...

      To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men. -Abraham Lincoln

      by Eyesbright on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:25:46 PM PDT

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    •  Of course this only applies (0+ / 0-)

      when the right-wing feels that government has become "tyrannical".

      The Black Panthers and the Weather Underground believed they were fighting "government tyranny" back in the day.

      One man's freedom fighter is another man's domestic terrorist.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 02:27:02 AM PDT

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  •  armed civilian resistance is a foolish pipe dream (1+ / 0-)
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    The Plains Indians were armed, they were annihilated, the confined Jews in Warsaw armed themselves and were exterminated, the Soviets were armed and lost 20 million people before joining in success against the Wehrmacht, and they were all well armed at Waco. Small arms in the hands of a loose group of civilian resistors are only a means to die with a little more dignity if totalitarians take over. Not that that's a bad thing, but by themselves small arms are useless against the state.  These guys like Huckabee are big on goofy macho and fail at basic civics; i.e. working to develop a harmonious society by balancing interests. Ideologues have a helluva time with that. Oh, and I know a lot of guys who had M-16s for a year free of charge and don't give a damn if they ever see another one.  Funny how most of these gun nutballs have never answered reveille for the good Ole' US of A.

    •  A very recent example (0+ / 0-)

      is that aryan gang in Texas.  From what I understand, they threatened authorities that if any of them were convicted of crimes people would die.  Some of them did, and now an asst. county atty and the county guy and his wife are dead.

      But by the logic these conservatives are using, these guys are americans with guns who have decided to fight government oppression - their words, not mine.

      Is this the kind of America Huckabee and his buds are trying to promote??

      Like you said, they fail at basic civics.

      It never pays to get in an argument with an idiot, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience

      by minnvoter on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:24:42 PM PDT

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    •  There is, of course, more to it than simply.... (0+ / 0-)

      having a few small-arms.

      But I'm sure you knew that.

      Your hate-mail will be graded.

      by PavePusher on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 01:21:50 PM PDT

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  •  how many universities endorse this guy with their (0+ / 0-)

    sports programs?

    more than 170 stations that do limbaugh depend on state funded universities to make their GOP propaganda acceptable in their communities and attract ad money.

    how many of our universities put their team logos on huckabee?

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:52:00 PM PDT

  •  What gets me (0+ / 0-)

    is the Republicans explaining why people should be able to murder the government whenever they want, and then wanting to be the government.

  •  Nazi gun regs (0+ / 0-)

    no, it's not true; the Nazi regime weakened gun regulations, it didn't strengthen them.

    Unless, of course you count the disarming of the Jews in 1938 as weakening gun regulations. But I guess there's no reason to count the Jews, is there?

  •  These deranged screwballs have succeeded... (0+ / 0-)

    ....in providing me a reason to have a gun:  To defend myself and my family....
     FROM THEM!

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 07:51:42 AM PDT

  •  No Chance! (1+ / 0-)
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    There are millions of Americans that would fight to the death to uphold the 2nd Amendment. It is impossible to ban firearms like the AR-15 without getting very bloody. NO CHANCE w/o some sort of civil war.

    •  While I do not advocate for either option.... (1+ / 0-)
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      I think you are correct.

      Your hate-mail will be graded.

      by PavePusher on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 01:23:15 PM PDT

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    •  I don't know if there are millions (0+ / 0-)

      Let's say that tomorrow, the government began an extended effort to catalogue and confiscate, by force if need be, every AR they could find.  I don't think there are even thousands of Americans who'd answer the door with gun in hand, let alone be ready to give up their lives to hold onto their stock.  You'll certainly see resistance, mostly of the passive, non-cooperative kind.  You may see the amount of political violence tick up from its current near negligible level. But as best as I can tell, the typical American will put on the cuffs before he even thinks about taking up arms.  While we may be different from the UK or Australia in that respect, we're not all that different.  That is why it is so important to preserve these rights as a matter of regular order.  

      When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

      by Patrick Costighan on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 10:26:19 AM PDT

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  •  The Huckster (0+ / 0-)

    Sounds like Mike has been drinking the NRA's Kool-Aid: NRA "We Are America"

  •  So many freaks, to few circuses.......... (0+ / 0-)

    "Don't Let Your Mouth Write A Check, That Your Butt Can't Cash."

    by LamontCranston on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 06:54:24 PM PDT

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