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I disagree with the substance of the Grand Bargain budget proposal, which is beleive is DOA having already been rejected by Speaker Boehner, as well as the pre-compromising tactic.  That said, I wondered if it would change anyone's conduct going forward (other than getting upset on a blog).  Barack Obama is not on the ballot again, and when I voted for him in 2012, I knew this (or something like this) was a possibility.  In my view, he is still far better than Romney, and I'd vote for him again, even though I don't like this.  But that is looking backward.  

What about forward?  My state has no real races other than state auditor in 2014.  My congressman was tied with a few others for "most liberal" in the last ratings, and he will win with about 80% of the vote (I live in a Democratic vote sink).  I stopped giving to the DCCC and DSCC a long time ago because I could not control my donations, who got them.  I probably will donate less than I have in the past, but that's for financial reasons more than anything (I have more dependants with my partner's chidren and took a pay cut in the recession.  Family comes first with me.)  I'll probably vote for Hillary in 2016, even though she is more centrist than I like.  And I'll make a few $25 contributions in 2014 to progressive candidates.  I gave OFA $15 when it transformed, but I was not going to give more.  This makes less likely to give to OFA, but since I was not going to anyway, it's not a big deal.  

Now I'm sure some will say I'm the problem.  If only I withheld my vote and money, surely the socialist transformation would occur.  But since I only give to progressives (except presidential elections), I'm not sure striking would do much.  It would give me more money for my family.  And my vote has little impact, except for my state rep who is a progressive.

I'd like to avoid flame wars, but no doubt some folks need them.  I'm interested in what impact, if any, today's proposed budget has on real actions by you going forward.  Some people have said they won't vote.  That's their choice.  Others are done with the Dems.  So be it.  Their choice.

For me, it leaves me in the same place I've been for more than a decade.  Support the most left viable candidate.  I'm pretty much down with the Daily Kos project of moving the Democratic Party left, but I know we are far from there.

Let me know in the comments what you think.    

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  •  Contributions Definitely nt (9+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:19:39 PM PDT

  •  The Democratic Party is still the only avenue (7+ / 0-)

    available for progress and I will continue to fund it while we continue to make progress.

    Is the progress fast enough, no but there is progress nonetheless.

    I didn't quit funding democrats when Tip O'Neill destroyed SS far more that PBO ever dreamed with his deal with Ronald Reagan.

    A jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build one. - Sam Rayburn

    by citizenx on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:24:11 PM PDT

  •  I didn't give anything to Obama this last time (15+ / 0-)

    You guys had all that covered.  Living in Alabama there isn't much to put my money into.  I gave mostly to Warren.  Anybody who supports chained CPI isn't getting anything from me.

  •  will not change my national vote/$$ (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Joe Bacon, gulfgal98, Words In Action

    as I voted for Jill Stein in November and gave no money. That's after my $2300 contribution to the Obama campaign in 2008 plus, obviously, my vote for Obama-Biden.

    •  I understand. (0+ / 0-)

      I think Obama's proposal hurts the left wing of the party, the enthusiasm.  Others, liek you, already left in 2012, at least on that vote.  Take care.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:30:49 PM PDT

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  •  I don't think it has to be the most left (0+ / 0-)

    Viable candidate. It could be a viable candidate to the right. What matters is not which issues people say they support, but what issues they will base their votes on.

  •  I haven't given these liars a dime since 06. (12+ / 0-)

    I am seriously rethinking my vote.  D or R , dead is dead.

    After NAFTA and cuts to SS and means testing Medicare, how can you even pretend the Democratic Party still exists.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

    by dkmich on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:29:43 PM PDT

    •  You've been consistent. (2+ / 0-)
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      dkmich, penguins4peace

      I wasin your position in 2000 when I supported Nader.  The Iraq invasion pulled me away from that view, but I do understand it.

      These outcomes are what Nader was fighting.  That said, I choose to stay a Dem.  But I understand your view.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:33:06 PM PDT

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      •  How can you stay a Dem when the Dems are gone? n.t (7+ / 0-)

        I'm glad you get it.  I am totally pissed that this guy is even in office.   Shame on us for helping to put him there.   As a Democrat, I am mortified that a "Democrat" is doing this and not the Republicans.

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

        by dkmich on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:42:54 PM PDT

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        •  It's the same choice as always. (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          dkmich, Barbara Marquardt, Zinman

          Better than Rs.  I think more people suffer under Rs.  That is most of it.  Reduce the suffering that capitalism creates.  Even after the Great Recession, Americans want Trumps; they want capitalism.  

          I was critical of Democrats in the latye 60s and early 70s.  LBJ brought us Vietnam.  I am under no illusions regarding the limitations of Democrats.

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          by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:52:07 PM PDT

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          •  If you need support for your statement that (0+ / 0-)

            more people suffer under Republicans than Democrats just look at NC since the election. The parties are not the same. Even blue dog democrats in the south are not the same as Republicans. More progressive politicians from the ground up is the way to get more Progressive legislation. Giving up on the political process by voting third party or not voting doesn't promote progressive policy either. When we lose to Republicans we don't "learn our lesson that we should be true progressives".  Instead we realize anything is better than republican policy and compromise more. Everybody was willing to compromise on a centrist like Obama after eight years of Bush. If we had won in 2000 maybe we could have pushed things leftward. Instead we did what we could to avoid things becoming even worse under McCain/Palin. If we let a Huckabee/Santorum/Christie into office in 2016 progressives will be like NC progressives are now. That is, longing for the days of a centrist leader.  Instead of going backward to make a point we need to build on what we have and go forward toward more progressive policies.

            "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

            by stellaluna on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:44:06 PM PDT

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            •  But we are going backward (1+ / 0-)
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              I never ask for anything MORE.  All I've been asking for is to simply keep the current benefit system.  

              And still, people like me are already being portrayed on MSNBC as if we are extremists, radicals and lunatics for simply opposing cuts in the current programs.  

              Whoa, the FAR LEFT opposes cuts.  How subversive!  

              I no longer believe the Democratic Party has a commitment to Social Security or Medicare let alone anything else even mildly conventionally moderate, I mean forget about progressive!  Whoa.  I mean when supporting the status quo is defined as EXTREME LEFT where do you locate moderate or conservative!

  •  No money, no time, no votes (10+ / 0-)

    for anyone who supports cuts to SS.  (And that includes umbrella organizations who support those people)

    That's my current stance on it.

    •  But still to those who oppose? (0+ / 0-)

      Progressive Caucus, etc?

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:33:38 PM PDT

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      •  would depend on how far they oppose (1+ / 0-)
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        TomP

        sternly worded letter? a "no" vote?

      •  There are some people who will never lose my (3+ / 0-)
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        3goldens, tardis10, Words In Action

        support, like Bernie Sanders.  Of course he's not a Dem, but he's the gold standard for Democratic principles.

        Nobody's getting my money anymore, not even Bernie, sadly.

        I've lost my job because of corporate politicians, similarly most of my pension, and considering how eager they are to cut SS and medicare, I think I'll be hanging onto what little I have left.

        When you've been through the mill like I have, over a period of 30 or so years, and many of these punches came from Dems, your outlook changes quite a bit.  I used to be happy to vote for "better than the alternative", but my new mantra seems to be changing to "Tune in, turn on, drop out."  

        •  that was a great slogan. (0+ / 0-)

          I did a lot of acid in high school and after I dropped out of high school.  Lived it for a while and paid a price for it.  But that 's another story.  :-)

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          by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:18:09 PM PDT

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  •  nope (5+ / 0-)

    the republicans didn't capture our government by giving up.

    we will take it back from them.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:34:52 PM PDT

    •  those that leave and offer no help (5+ / 0-)

      don't get to help steer the ship if/when we capture government back.

      those that would leave us in this war over this or that, don't get a seat.  if you're willing to leave us, during this war, when we agree on most everything, are hurting our cause.

      disagreements aside, we have but one sane party to rally around.  we have one party that is open to change.

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:45:33 PM PDT

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      •  But we'll take their votes anyway. :-) (1+ / 0-)
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        isabelle hayes

        I agree Dems are better.  I wonder if people outside blogs know what chained cpi is or care?  

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        by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:00:32 PM PDT

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      •  no, you're kicked out! (3+ / 0-)

        I'm joking, of course.

        Those of us who contributed all that we could and have gotten bad returns are examples of how we weren't able to steer the ship at any point.

        It can be argued that our commitment to Democratic principles, as well as our contributions and legwork, should have gotten us some leverage on an issue as important as this.

        It can be argued that those of you who have blindly followed the President are the ones who shouldn't be allowed to "steer the ship", as your support has given him the misguided belief that he can go ahead with the plan.

        It seems to me that the truth is the President said nice things in his campaigns, using us in order to do whatever the heck he wants, regardless of whether it fits into any sort of traditional Democratic thinking, regardless of whether it might be more favorable to rich people than the middle class or poor.

  •  It's too late to accept "incremental change"... (15+ / 0-)

    ...as a viable/realistic solution to far too many matters that have languished (most beyond critical tipping points) for far too many years (such as: climate change, complacency when it comes to matters such as passage of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Trade Agreement, increasing income inequality, backstopping vs. breaking up the TBTF banks, the growth of corporatocratic rule in general, etc.).

    As Paul Volcker stated a few years ago: "The Time We Have Is Growing Short."

    And, stating something to the affect of "Forward!" is almost farcical, as we sit back and watch the leaders of the  Democratic Party undermining many of the keystone accomplishments of Progressive legislation over the past 80 years (more specifically, the 50-year period from FDR through LBJ).

    This would also include the understated "capture" by the Party of the "faux 99% movement," which did quite a bit to undermine OWS, as well! (Not discussed much in this community, even now!)

    So, yeah...this commenter (whom the Boston Globe once referred to--along with about six other people, including a few that are now associated with the current administration--as "Born a Democrat and christened a short time after that") will change his voter registration from Democrat to Independent if SS cuts (or any social safety net cuts), in any way, shape or form, are signed-off upon by the President.

    I've been a registered Dem since I hit my 18th birthday, over 37 years ago. But, that will change if this issue continues to develop along the path upon which it is clearly (now) going.

    We shall see....

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:36:31 PM PDT

    •  I hear you, and agree incremental change (1+ / 0-)
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      bobswern

      has not worked well.  I think yours is a reasonable action.  In my state, one is not registered to a political party.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:39:54 PM PDT

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  •  Cards on the table time ;) (6+ / 0-)

    I no longer give $$$ to any larger Dem orgs.,just individual candidates. & even that is less than it was by a fair bit.

    Voting-wise. Too soon to say. This is a district that should be reliably democratic but isn't. In 2010, a stealth teahadist won. In 2012,the Dem won (fusion Dem/WFP ) but the Greens got 8% of the vote.

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:38:39 PM PDT

    •  I agree with not giving to (2+ / 0-)
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      tardis10, isabelle hayes

      larger Dem orgs.   You just can't control where your money goes.   Better to give to individual candidates.  

      It's hard to know how this will play out.  This could alinate left Dem votes, suck out enthusiasm.  It could lead to a 2010, but it's far too soon to know.  It seems dead and may bee forgotten by 11/14.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:43:12 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think it is just (3+ / 0-)
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        TomP, 3goldens, Words In Action

        "left" dems that will be alienated by this. Unless we consider everyone over50 a leftist,comrade?

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:53:55 PM PDT

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        •  But do they? People over (0+ / 0-)

          60 are more likely to be Rs.  It would be nice if seniors got upset about this, but I bet many vote to cut the deficts, thinking entitlements are 'welfare." It's not because they are tooo old to figure it out.   Many young people do the same.  It's jkust that racism and right wing thought is stronger as age gies up.  I'm 57, and guess it would affect me if it passed.

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          by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:02:28 PM PDT

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          •  You'd be surprised (6+ / 0-)

            I think you need to be careful with the generalizations that you (and some others) have been making about the older vote.

            AARP is heavily mobilized on this issue, and they have money to spend on TV ads.  Many seniors trust them.

            In addition, as I've pointed out to you in another diary, seniors haven't always supported Rs, in fact one of the reasons they supported Dems in the 90s was because the Rs were trying to screw with SS and Medicare.

            During the last election they voted somewhere in the 40% range for Obama.  I wouldn't count on retaking the house if we lose that 40%, and even the next presidential election will be problematic.

            And it was all so freaking unnecessary.

        •  Bingo (3+ / 0-)
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          3goldens, tardis10, greenbell

          Everyone over 62 and is looking at her SS benefits (benefits she earned through sweat and tears), all who hit 65 and start to look at his Medicare benefits (benefits paid for through decades of payroll deductions), will surely conclude that the Ds are out to get them as much as the white-right is.

          “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

          by chuco35 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:27:06 PM PDT

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    •  Giving to an individual is a mistake (4+ / 0-)

      unless the candidate specifically knows where you stand.
      The best way is to give it to the candidate through an organization like Act Blue, so they know the money comes from a progressive, and so maximizes your influence.

      I gave more than I could afford in 2008 and made hundreds of calls for Obama, and door knocked for a few weekends.   After the health care reform fiasco and the lack of prosecutions of banksters and torturers , in  2010 I gave through Act Blue to congressional races only and made no calls.

      These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel. Abraham Lincoln

      by Nailbanger on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:20:51 PM PDT

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  •  I didn't give a dime (9+ / 0-)

    to Obama in 2012 precisely because I didn't feel that he really represented my interests as a Social Security and Medicare recipient. And, I didn't vote for him either.

    And, going forward, I won't vote for any Democrat that works to undermine Social Security and Medicare.

    Last November I reached a point where I was no longer going to vote for anyone who didn't represent my best interests and I haven't regretted it.

    Given what's going down right now, I'm feeling better and better about my decision not to vote for Obama or Feinstein not that it made any real difference.

    I'm not certain when Boxer comes up for reelection, but I'm not at all happy with her position on Chained-CPI and if she votes in favor of cutting SS she will not get my vote.

    The only trouble with retirement is...I never get a day off!

    by Mr Robert on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:39:19 PM PDT

    •  Thanks for your comment. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mr Robert

      There are others like you, no doubt, who are very alienated from Dems over this and other issues.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:44:47 PM PDT

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    •  You voted for Romney? nt (0+ / 0-)

      “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

      by chuco35 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:28:32 PM PDT

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    •  Good for you! Personal integrity rules!!! :) (1+ / 0-)
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      Mr Robert

      I voted for Obama in 2012 as I just couldn't stomach the idea of Romney for 4-8 yrs.  Can't say I regret it. At the same time, I'm no longer proud. That stopped in 2009.

      If there is any more talk, or possibility of Chained CPI, or cuts to Medicare on the table in 2014, I will have to take an avenue other than Dems/GOP. I'll keep it at that to stay within site rules.

      Corporations before people.... it's the American way!

      by Lucy2009 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:51:02 PM PDT

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  •  Insanity is..... (9+ / 0-)
    For me, it leaves me in the same place I've been for more than a decade.
    With all due respect (and I mean that), how's that working out for you?    

    I'm tired of losing.   What good is putting a Democrat in office if they are going to pass NAFTA and beg demand cuts to Sscial Security and means testing for Medicare.    If they don't stand for the New Deal or jobs, how are they even Democrats?  Just who the hell are we voting for?  

    I blame progressive Democrats for this because they just keep doing what they've always done (lesser of evils), and we keep getting what we always get - screwed.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

    by dkmich on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:39:30 PM PDT

  •  No change (4+ / 0-)

    I donate to progressive candidates nation-wide where I think my money will help an outstanding candidate in a tough race.  This last cycle I prioritized donations to Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, and Tammy Baldwin. In addition, I donated a lesser amount to other Democrats I liked, but who didn't make the first cut.

    I did send money to President Obama, because in the binary choice between Romney and Obama, the choice was easy to make, largely because even a slight possibility of Romney winning was horrible. Locally and Statewide here in California, all my representatives are Democrats, and none of them were in danger.

    Eradicate magical thinking

    by Zinman on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:42:28 PM PDT

    •  I did the same. (1+ / 0-)
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      Zinman

      Moe to warren than to Brown and Baldwin, but I think money was tighter over time.  All were good.  And I gave to Obama, about 700 or 800 over two years.   Same reasons as you.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:53:19 PM PDT

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    •  I did that, with no money to Obama. I figured (1+ / 0-)
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      Zinman

      Goldman Sachs supported him (with my money too) in 2008 and they can damn well get him elected again in 2012, since they are all he cares about.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:42:59 PM PDT

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  •  I'm voting for Occupy again. Or something like (7+ / 0-)

    it.  That 99/1% thing everybody gave lip service to.  Our corrupted political system as described by Occupy is still corrupted.  The country is controlled by a plutocracy.  Voting won't change that.

    "I'm an antiwar propagandist as accused by democrats. Not even republicans have called me that."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:44:46 PM PDT

    •  That may well be true. (2+ / 0-)
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      penguins4peace, BigAlinWashSt

      For centuries it has been controlled by a plutocracy.  Voting can reduce the suffering of some folks, if better candidates win, but I doubt that voting or any other method can create the fundamental change I think you are describing.   I hear where you are at.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:55:00 PM PDT

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  •  I Long, Long Ago Realized My Party (8+ / 0-)

    wasn't going to point their index finger forcibly into the chest of the far right, nor the "tea party" and say you want a fight, FUCKING bring it. I'll give money in select campaigns but honest the wind if out of my sails.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:45:17 PM PDT

  •  Democrats took a break in 2010. The chickens (4+ / 0-)
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    TomP, jj32, isabelle hayes, Zinman

    Are coming home to roost. Not voting has consequences.

    •  I Am Pissed, But I Always Vote (7+ / 0-)

      in my district, I kid you not, only 324 people voted this week. For mayor and city council. I voted. I'd vote if the only person on the ballot was for dog catcher assistant.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:49:34 PM PDT

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    •  I still don't know what (2+ / 0-)
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      We Won, isabelle hayes

      caused 2010, but i agree there often are bad consequences when Dems don't vote.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:56:02 PM PDT

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      •  2010 (2+ / 0-)
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        isabelle hayes, Zinman

        2008:  the right-wingers were suffering from Bush Fatigue caused either by the fact that he wasn't conservative enough (see immigration, AIDS research, Medicare Part D, Huge new Gov't agency in DHS, not enough social slashing, etc) or because after the wars, scandals, and 8 years of public hate and mockery it just got hard to defend or even care.

        ......and then we went and elected the Black Guy that wanted healthcare reform and everyone of them was instantly reenergized, back in action and stocking up on ammo (why that third part?  I don't know.  Because FREEDOMZ I guess.)

        2009:  All the new-to-the-party Obama voters thought that we had definitively cured the world's pain in November of 2008 so there was nothing left to do but enjoy the dawning utopia we all worked so hard to earn!  Yay!!!!

        2010:  Well...  ....you know what happened.

        That's my theory.

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:37:48 PM PDT

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      •  In my area Dems don't vote in the same numbers as (0+ / 0-)

        presidential elections.  That is how Scott Brown won in Ma in my opinion even though Martha Coakley wasn't a good campaigner.  

        Do not adjust your mind, there is a flaw in reality.

        by Shrew in Shrewsbury on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:25:39 PM PDT

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    •  That has actually been disproven over and over. (5+ / 0-)

      The Democratic base did turn out in 2010.

      The many who Obama has swung to "D" in 2008 did not show up, primarily because they'd had two years of roughly "nothing" and their wallets weren't feeling it.

      Meanwhile, the "R's" were whipped into a frenzy of corporate caffeinated tea and turned out in large numbers.

      Way too abbreviated, but that's my understanding.  The D's did not take a break, but the D's didn't get the same overall support they got in 2008.  And some of that can be put down to Obama's late and lackluster campaigning for Congressional seats in 2008.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:46:13 PM PDT

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  •  Like you, I am already very picky (4+ / 0-)

    where my contributions go and who I actively support in elections. I generally don't make one issue decisions even when they are important ones like this. There a lot of important issues like this and the likelihood of finding a candidate that is perfect on every one of them is slim.

    I will definitely look at what candidates say on the issue of the social safety net as I already have been. I am unlikely to support a candidate in favor of trimming the social safety net. I oppose Obama for this. Like you however I knew it was possible, even likley, he would do this when I voted for him the last time around.

    I will pay close attention to what candidate Hillary says between now and election day. I will also pay attention to who she surrounds herself with and what they say (and have previously said) on the issue.

    Given that I think it unlikely there will be a realistic alternative to Hillary I will probably vote for her in Nov. 2015. It is my hope that my vote will be an enthusiastic one, and there are many reasons for it to be enthusiastic, but... we'll see.

    If I thought there was a realistic chance that a truly strong progressive candidate might come along and win the Democratic primary then I would seriously consider supporting that person... but I will be shiocked if that anything remotely close to that happens. Meanwhile I will enjoy the progressive aspects of Hillary as I do of Barack while struggling with the corporatist aspects of them.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:50:08 PM PDT

  •  I Am Semi-wealthy. My Parents Are Rich (8+ / 0-)

    like top .]1 percent. One day when they pass I will be there.

    I don't mind, nor do my parents, paying MORE in taxes. Sure not 90%. But a few percentage points. Say 38%. Maybe 40%.

    This bullshit, now I just turned on MSNBC and reading the news today, just makes me livid beyond words.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:55:36 PM PDT

    •  I hear you. It's a shame. (0+ / 0-)

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:03:51 PM PDT

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    •  Similar situation. (3+ / 0-)
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      My parents would gladly pay more in taxes--as would most middle class people, I think--if they were proud of what their tax dollars were used for: universal healthcare, improving our infrastructure, investing in scientific research, promoting peace around the world, etc.. Instead, they see their money as being wasted on unnecessary wars, corporate welfare, and inadequate, dysfunctional social programs; and our politicans, including Obama now, currently plan to make all of those worse, not better.

      "In an individual, selfishness uglifies the soul; for the human species, selfishness is extinction." -Cloud Atlas, by David Mitchell

      by rigcath on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:26:39 PM PDT

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    •  If your parents are earning, say, (1+ / 0-)
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      $10,000,000 a year, as is common amongst the 1%, I'd say a 90% tax over, say, $5,000,000, as was done during the crisis of WWII, up through and past Ike, would not be either unfair or unreasonable given the current Great Depression  

      “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

      by chuco35 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:35:59 PM PDT

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      •  don't know how many recc's this comment gets but (1+ / 0-)
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        i wouldn't mind being "rich", but it would make me ill if i had more than a few million while so many of us are going without essentials, like good food, dental care, etc.

        so i agree, over ten million and 90% is taxed

  •  ever heard the term "third rail of politics"? (3+ / 0-)
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    The reason they call SS, etc that is because so much as touching them is bound to unleash a massive broad based backlash, and in this case the anger will be focussed on the Democrats - first because they are supposed to be the protectors of the New Deal and will (rightly) be seen as betrayers, and secondly because the Republicans will pull out the stops to amplify the outrage. And that's a good thing in my book: modern Dem establishment has been captured and is not listening to or attending to the needs of the base, much less the 99% at large. Seems like they might be on course to learn the hard way that its dangerous to pay lipservice to liberal goals and values and simultaneously give the country away to the oligarchy.

    Seriously, if they do this, then what Kossaks think or do will be a drop in the ocean compared to the larger backlash/blowback.

    How will I respond? I will support my pols if they do the right thing, but will do everything I can to support alternate candidates if they don't.  I will also give to primary challengers of Judas Dem pols elsewhere.

    History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

    by quill on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:15:08 PM PDT

  •  It has already changed my behavior. (7+ / 0-)

    Bruce Braley is running to replace Tom Harkin. Ordinarily I would have signed up to help him by now. I am waiting to see how he votes on this budget and specifically chained CPI.  

    I could never get a straight answer out of Christie Vilsack on this, so I gave her one contribution and that was it.

    There are Iowa legislative races to help with if I stay out of the congressional ones.  That is what I did in 2012.

  •  I am unaltered (7+ / 0-)

    The day I become a single-issue voter is the day I take several steps away from politics.  

    I will work, contribute and vote.  I would work for Obama again if he was allowed a third term.  I live in DC so I have no Senator to rise up against for this "betrayal" and my house member can't vote anyway.

    I view politics as a collaborative process of opposing ideals in an attempt to govern a nation of MILLIONS.  It is not some kind of "us" against "them" proxy blood sport where we send in "our guys" and they BETTER be ready to fucking claw out the eyes and rip out the throats of "their guys" and if they aren't then they are DEAD TO ME.   ....that is to confuse government with cock-fighting, maturity for ideology and ourselves for the rabid loons of Freeperville.

    I'm curious to see where this latest round of budget negotiations will take us but I am much happier seeing any kind of conversation happening rather then the monthly ONOEZ! panic fests involving cliffs, shutdowns, sequesters and defaults.

    My guess is this gets rejected on both sides by the GOP for wanting to include revenue and by the Dems for including CCPI.  Which will be interesting since the current Ryan-House plan and Murray-Senate plan are veritably mutually exclusive of each other so that "conference" should be quite a damned shit show.  

    I will take a pass on lobbing "judas" accusations and rallying up purity primary challengers for now and just wait to see where we end up.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:30:59 PM PDT

  •  The OFA is now opposing an incumbent (8+ / 0-)

    Democrat - Mike Honda - in California who is a member of the Progressive Caucus.  They are supporting a Chicago school of economics (literally) corporate D in his place.

    An incumbent Dem.  That is not a wise use of Democratic money and it is not a loyal use of OFA.

    So, no, I won't be supporting them.

    And I won't support any Democrat who votes for Chained CPI or any other lying "strengthening."

    And Obama is not running again.  And a lot could happen before Hillary is actually nominated. Remember all the sudden events of the past when politics turns upside down overnight.  So, we'll see about 2016. Too far off.

    Only progressive Democrats will get my financial support.

    I wrote a letter to my Congressmember today and depending on her answer and how she votes on Social Security in the next year, I will or will not support her reelection.

    If the Dems actually succeed in cutting Social Security, then I'm done with them. Period. End of story. There have to be some limits in life.  

    The Democrats are supposed to be supporters of the poor, the weak, the elderly, the working folks, the middle class.  Today, too many Dems are corporatists in quasi-and-flimsy "Democratic" clothing.

    If any real Democrats ever appear, I might support those.

    Obama is destroying the Democratic brand with his moves. Thanks a lot.

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:39:06 PM PDT

    •  Do you have a link to OFA opposing (1+ / 0-)
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      Mike Honda?

      President Obama is publicly supporting Honda. There are members of his now former campaign who are supporting Honda's opponent, but that's not the same as OFA opposing him.

      In fact, OFA's focus is now policy issues, including gun control, immigration reform, etc.

      •  Currently a Rec List diary: (5+ / 0-)

        Entire Obama Campaign Machine Reactivating to Win Back House in 2014

        Link in the diary: Can Obama’s Campaign Team Win Back the House?

        The first test case will be a guy named Ro Khanna, a 36-year-old Indian American technology lawyer with whom Obama’s staff is smitten. On Tuesday, Khanna announced his race for Congress in California’s 17th District.

        In my piece, I lay out the many reasons this race is worth watching—among them, that Khanna is taking on incumbent Democratic Representative Mike Honda
        .....

        But the biggest reason is that the whole Obama campaign apparatus—the grassroots organizing, the data analytics, the wired-to-the-hilt technology—will be applied at the House level. If it works, the plan is to expand this to other districts, including Republican-held ones.

        What?  Gearing up the whole machinery to DEFEAT an incumbent PROGRESSIVE Democrat?  Disgusting.

        Why spend a dime on a safe-D seat?  Why?   Why not spend 100% of the OFA money against Republicans?

        The whole thing infuriates me.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:52:22 PM PDT

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        •  I think that article is misleading (5+ / 0-)

          OFA doesnt get involved in electoral politics anymore. They converted to a non profit and focus on Obama's legislative priorities.

          Legally, they cant even get involved in partisan races.

          Obama publicly endorsed Mike Honda, as has Nancy Pelosi.

          Some aides from OFA have gone to work for his opponent, but that's not the same as the whole machinery trying to defeat him.

          •  wellllllll...... (2+ / 0-)
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            ..Another factor—a brand new one—is whether the Obama reelection team, which engineered such a decisive victory against Mitt Romney, can work its magic on the congressional level...The first test case will be a guy named Ro Khanna, a 36-year-old Indian American technology lawyer with whom Obama’s staff is smitten. On Tuesday, Khanna announced his race for Congress in California’s 17th District.
            "Smitten."  The 17th is Mike Honda's district.  End of story.

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:08:27 PM PDT

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            •  Some won't listen to facts. (1+ / 0-)
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              Too smitten by personality politics instead of policy.

              •  What facts am I getting wrong? (4+ / 0-)
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                OFA is now a 501(c)(4),  which is legally prohibited from backing candidates.

                Even when they were a political organization, I dont think they ever backed someone running against an incumbent Dem.

                Many staffers who used to work for OFA now support Honda's opponent. That is true.

                But the president supports Honda, including appearing with him at a fundraiser this past week. OFA's focus is now on legislative priorities, including immigration reform and gun control.

                As a result, I think the characterization that the whole machinery is trying to defeat Honda is just incredibly wrong.

              •  Hi! Please explain Obama's endorsement of Honda. (1+ / 0-)
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                by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:32:07 PM PDT

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                •  Easy peasy. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Don't be afraid, Carlo. Come on, you think I'd make my sister a widow? I'm Godfather to your son.

                  Go ahead. Drink. Drink. No, you're out of the family business, that's your punishment. You're finished. I'm putting you on a plane to Vegas. Tom? I want you to stay there, you understand? Only don't tell me that you're innocent. Because it insults my intelligence and it makes me very angry. Now, who approached you first? Barzini or Tattaglia?

                  It was Barzini.

                  Good. There's a car outside that will take you to the airport. I'll call your wife and tell her what flight you're on.

                  Listen, Mike...

                  Go on. Get out of my sight.

            •  Obama's (OFA's) *former* staff (5+ / 0-)

              I don't think campaign staffers are required to sign life time pledges of allegience to their former employer's political choices.

              CA Democratic Rep. Mike Honda is wasting no time revving up his 2014 re-election bid, announcing his endorsement from President Barack Obama
              http://blog.sfgate.com/...

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              by Catte Nappe on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:22:33 PM PDT

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              •  Thank you (4+ / 0-)

                That's a clearly way of saying what I was trying to say. :)

              •  Could be bad reporting, but a check of the other (1+ / 0-)
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                diary reveals all sorts of comments about how this is wonderful. I'm rather appalled at the cheering over the featured quote for the defeat of Mike Honda.

                Frankly, I find it disquieting that Obama's current or former staff or OFA or any Democrat would want to challenge a progressive Democrat incumbent when we really need to focus on taking seats from Republicans to win the House.

                Why cause additional expenditures for campaigns between Democrats when we don't hold the House?    Because Honda is not enough of a corporate toady that we now need another Chicago school guy?  

                "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:26:40 PM PDT

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                •  At the link with the endorsement (2+ / 0-)
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                  As we noted, that raises the possibility of a high profile Asian-American generational battle would pit a 71-year-old, longtime political veteran of Japanese ancestry against a 35-year-old Silicon Valley leader from the South Asian Indo-American community, which is clearly a rising force in the South Bay.
                  California’s whole political establishment watched the astounding lesson on that front provided by Democratic Rep. Pete Stark, the 20-term Congressman in the East Bay’s CD-15, who had the powerhouse backing of Obama, State Attorney General Kamala Harris, and the formal support of the entire Bay Area Democratic Congressional delegation in his 2012 re-election bid.

                  The 80 year old Stark is now a former Congressman.

                  And CD-15′s new 31-year old Congressman, Eric Swalwell, is this week in the district holding events that dramatize the generational change of the guard

                  "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

                  by Catte Nappe on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:48:21 PM PDT

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                •  I do think Khanna is making a mistake (2+ / 0-)
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                  running here. But it's not fair to blame Obama or OFA for that.

                  I would support Honda here. But is there any evidence he is more conservative than Honda, besides where he meant to college?

                  All I really know about his views, is that he ran anti-Iraq war primary challenge to Tom Lantos in 2004.

                  •  Here's a more informative article: (0+ / 0-)

                    Silicon Valley Congressional battle takes shape: Ro Khanna to challenge Mike Honda, using Obama campaign operatives

                    Khanna raised around $1.2 million without ever saying who he'd run against in 2012 and didn't run against anyone. He still has $1 million left (spent $200,000 on.... what? since he entered no race?)

                    Khanna had about $1 million at 2012's end while Honda had about $78,000, but Honda has had the past three months to himself to raise money. The second quarter, from Monday through June 30, will be the first in which they're both shaking the money trees as rivals -- and might portend who has the edge.

                    However fat the bankroll, toppling an incumbent was harder before California adopted a "top-two" primary system; Khanna learned this by winning only 20 percent against Rep. Tom Lantos, D-San Mateo, in 2004's partisan primary.

                    Now he need only finish second behind Honda in June 2014 in order to go mano-a-mano with him in November. Then he can try to engage a wider range of voters: There's plenty of room to Honda's right, so a coalition of moderate Democrats, Republicans and nonpartisan voters could spell victory.

                    Centrist, corporate candidate?  His law firm does billion dollar mergers, acquisitions, IPOs, venture capital investments, private equity placement, etc. They are much more Wall Street than Main Street.

                    The congressman and his challenger

                    Mike Honda
                    Party: Democratic
                    Age: 71
                    Residence: San Jose
                    Occupation: Congressman since 2000
                    Past experience: State assemblyman, 1996-2000; Santa Clara County supervisor, 1990-96; 30 years as educator (teacher, school board member, principal); Peace Corps, 1965-67
                    Education: Bachelor’s in biological science and Spanish (1968) and master’s in education (1974), San Jose State University

                    www.mikehonda.org

                    Ro Khanna
                    Party: Democratic
                    Age: 36
                    Residence: Fremont
                    Occupation: Attorney for Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati; visiting lecturer in economics, Stanford University; adjunct professor, Santa Clara University School of Law
                    Past experience: Deputy Assistant U.S. Secretary of Commerce, 2009-2011; attorney, O’Melveny & Myers, 2004-2009
                    Education: Bachelor’s in economics (1998), University of Chicago; law degree (2001), Yale Law School

                    www.rokhanna.com

                    Khanna’s campaign team looks like Obama redux

                    General consultant Jeremy Bird — Obama 2012’s national field director
                    Campaign chairman Steve Spinner — Obama 2012 fundraising “bundler” and national finance committee member
                    Campaign manager Leah Cowan — Obama 2012 regional field director in North Carolina’s capital region
                    Organizing director Anthony Nagataini — Obama 2012’s field director in Charlotte, N.C.
                    Consultant Larry Grisolano — Obama’s paid-media director in 2008 and 2012, managing TV, radio, Internet, direct mail and print advertising
                    Consultant John Kupper — message/ad consultant to Obama’s 2004 Senate and 2008 presidential campaigns; still advises Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s former White House chief-of-staff, since helping him win office in 2011
                    Consultant David Binder — prominent Democratic pollster and statistical analyst who did work for Obama’s 2008 campaign
                    Consultant Lynda Tran — was communications director for National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in the Obama administration; earlier, national press secretary of Organizing for America, a Democratic National Committee project that mobilizes Obama supporters on president’s legislative priorities.
                    Consultant Mark Beatty — Obama 2012’s deputy battleground states director

                    Centrists and Third Way out to unseat progressive.

                    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                    by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:11:38 PM PDT

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          •  You have a point (3+ / 0-)
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            I looked at the article on Ro Khanna and it is curious, the way this writer portrays this as the Obama campaign apparatus going to work for this fellow. Because his facts don't add up to his conclusion.

            What makes Khanna more interesting than your typical underdog is who else he has in his corner. On April 2, when he announced that he would challenge Honda, he also revealed that the people who will be running his campaign are many of the same ones who just got Barack Obama reelected. Even though Khanna has never been elected to anything, he has managed to sign up one of Obama’s top-three fundraisers, Steve Spinner, as his campaign chairman; Obama’s national field director, Jeremy Bird, as his chief strategist; and the president’s media firm, pollster, and data-analytics team, along with assorted other veterans of the reelection. Their aim is to build at the congressional level the same type of campaign they ran for Obama. It’s as if Bill Belichick and the staff of the New England Patriots decided to coach a high school football team.

            One of the big questions after Obama’s reelection was how his campaign, widely acknowledged to be the most sophisticated in presidential history, would influence American politics going forward. Much of the machinery has been redirected to Organizing for Action, a group run by Obama’s campaign manager, Jim Messina, that pushes the president’s agenda. But the billion-dollar question politicians and analysts are pondering is whether the techniques honed in the race against Mitt Romney can produce the same results with candidates other than Obama. They want to know whether, as Spinner puts it, “you can take the secret sauce of the Obama campaign and apply it down the ticket.”

            So after admitting that OFA is doing something else with its time, and that people running Khanna's campaign used to work for Obama, and that they intend to use the techniques they came up with for Obama, the writer Joshua Green turns this into "the Obama campaign is working for Ro Khanna." And that seems false on its face.

            We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

            by tytalus on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:11:53 PM PDT

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            •  Obama endorsed Honda. (1+ / 0-)
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              by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:35:15 PM PDT

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              •  I saw that mentioned... (1+ / 0-)
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                read the diary from ericlewis0 and was puzzled...perhaps he wrote it based on a quick skim of the news, which might leave one feeling good (Obama's campaign goes all in for Democrats in 2014) and not realize that the example is a bad one.

                We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

                by tytalus on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:41:09 PM PDT

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                •  probably. I think he relied (1+ / 0-)
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                  on an article that got it wrong.  Jeremy Bird is working for the chsllenger.  But Obama publicly endorsed Honda so people would not he confused and Honda is trumpeting it.

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                  by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:44:05 PM PDT

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                •  The diary was edited after being originally posted (0+ / 0-)

                  The quote was shortened and seems like a few words changed.  I wasn't tracking it for any reason, but I read it, then came back, and the quote was significantly shortened, bolding gone, etc.  Diarist mentioned something about editing (in the comments I think, I don't have the energy at this point to go back and look).

                  Maybe my anger is somewhat misdirected.  I don't think it can be disputed that some Dems - for whatever reason - who were once allied with Obama now are out gunning for a Progressive Democrat.

                  To me, that is indefensible.  Sorry if some of the other facts were wrong or mistaken in my comments, but bottom line, this still seems indefensible.

                  Is Ro Khanna trying to say he would be more progressive than Honda?  Hard to imagine.  That leaves third way, centrist, whatever.

                  His own website says he wants to "reach across the aisle" and we have all seen how that has gone the last 4 years. To me, it sounds "centrist" and "compromising."  Not good words to use with batshit crazy Republicans in my mind.

                  "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                  by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:17:26 PM PDT

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            •  Kudos for reading the actual facts (1+ / 0-)
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              and sizing it up for yourself.

              The knee jerk reactions all over this site today is some shameful shit about the supposed "Party with a Reality Bias".

              I don't live anywhere near there and don't really know either candidate but I'm not about to indict OFA, Obama and the Democratic Party because the media is trying to horse-race some obscure intra-party primary battle.

              Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

              by Wisper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:14:33 PM PDT

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              •  There is no dispute, though, is there that Khanna (0+ / 0-)

                is running to defeat a progressive Mike Honda?  A proven progressive congressman?  Right?  

                Being upset about that is not "knee-jerk" in my opinion. It is inexcusible.  Target Democratic money and effort against Republicans or at least Blue Dogs, not progressives, if you want my support and money.

                "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:19:21 PM PDT

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            •  If they want to see if the "formula" works for (0+ / 0-)

              candidates other than Obama, why the hell don't they target a freaking Republican, rather than a progressive Democrat?

              That makes zero sense to me.

              Regardless of the issues with the article (agreed, the reporting is crappy), there is zero doubt that these "backers" (or whatever) want to see if the "Obama formula" can take out.... a progressive Democrat.  

              WTF?  Why?

              "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

              by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:12:38 PM PDT

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        •  makes sense, actually (1+ / 0-)
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          If Obama manages to polish his Seroius Person legacy with cuts to SS and Medicare, then the only politicians OFA will be able to successfully target will be Democrats.

          History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

          by quill on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:08:01 PM PDT

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      •  You are correct that the OFA is not backing (0+ / 0-)

        Khanna.  It's actually Obama's highest campaign staff and fundraisers gathering to back a centrist, big money guy over a progressive solid Democrat.

        He figures he can run to Honda's RIGHT and beat him in November.  Yes, to his RIGHT, gathering Republicans, moderates and independents to defeat a progressive voice.

        Thanks a lot, Obama's people formerly associated with OFA and the Obama presidential campaign. Thanks a freaking lot.

        "reaching across the aisle" has been working so well for us so far...

        Actually, all that happens is Obama reaches and gets his hand yanked farther and farther to the right.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:49:05 PM PDT

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    •  that is wrong. Obama endorsed Honda. (1+ / 0-)
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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:30:38 PM PDT

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  •  Fool me once, shame on you (2+ / 0-)
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    Fool me twice, shame on me.  Right now my anger is actually greater toward the Democrats than the Rethugs.  At least we know what we are getting with the Rethugs.  The Democrats, nearly all of them, have lied to the people and turned their backs on the public. I cannot abide by that.  I may work for a new Democrat who is running in my district in 2014 against a Rethug, but it will be an uphill battle.  

    Beyond that, I am pretty much done with the party as a whole.  What have they done for the people lately other than tell us that we need to share the sacrifice? Baloney!  I blame Barack Obama more than anyone right now. I strongly supported him in 2008 and he had a wonderful mandate from the people twice. But he chose his side early, as evidenced with his drug deal with Billy Tautzin of big Pharma.  

    Outside a few politicians like Bernie Sanders, no one in Washington is working for the people.  The rest of them are all working for the 1%.  And I cannot support that either with my vote or money anymore.  

    Occupy has it right.  

    "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

    by gulfgal98 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:56:56 PM PDT

  •  I dont really give much to candidates to (1+ / 0-)
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    begin with, so I guess my contributions wont be affected.

    I will definitely vote in 2014 and 2016. I dont see how not voting will somehow help the situation. Because things would be better with a GOP Senate and more Republicans in the House?

    I mean, that's why we are here. I'm not thrilled with Obama offering chained CPI(although I think he clearly had it on the table for at least months now). But I'm not sure what else he can do with a GOP House.

    The alternative is indefinite sequestration and constant government showdowns over spending. As much as we might like Obama standing up to the GOP, that doesnt help Obama's rating, and more importantly it doesnt help the people or the economy, as we've seen the negative effects of sequestration already.

  •  Just read that OFA is trying to defeat Honda. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm done. No more Dem votes from me. End of Story until Dems figure out that they are supposed to represent the LIBERALS, poor, old, young, disabled, equality, JUSTICE, FAIRNESS, the environment, public education, and a few other "antiquated" ideas like that.

    Obama is an corrupt, craven asshole, just like most all the other creatures in D.C. SOOOOOO disappointing.  

    Corporations before people.... it's the American way!

    by Lucy2009 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:58:46 PM PDT

    •  Sigh, OFA is not trying to defeat Honda (5+ / 0-)

      Some aides who used to work at OFA are going to work for his opponent's campaign.

      I think OFA cant legally even support candidates anymore.

      •  Fine.... here is what he's proposing to do...... (0+ / 0-)

        Neither Obama, nor Dems have my support from here forward as of today. I'm done with them.

        When Obama stops trying to convince the GOP to go along with cuts to SS/Medicare, I'll reconsider my stance. When he stops doing illegal drone killings. When his Admin prosecutes Wall Street. When he takes Keystone off the table. When warrantless wiretapping and the NDAA bill are annihilated and non-existent. And when talk of austerity ceases and desists entirely and it's all about jobs, jobs, jobs..... then I'll reconsider my support of Obama and Dems. Not a moment before. Of course, if they do something worthwhile.... which is extremely rare.... I will praise them. The rest of the time, I view them as slightly less abusive, sickening, and putrid than the GOP.

        I voted for change, not be to be fucked over.  

        I'm with these people: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        Corporations before people.... it's the American way!

        by Lucy2009 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:45:04 PM PDT

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    •  not correct. Obama endorsed Honda. (1+ / 0-)
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      do google.

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:38:49 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks, however my comments still stand.... (0+ / 0-)

        Nothing has changed for me until SS/Medicare are off the table. The illegal drone killings stop. The wars stop. Wall Street is prosecuted. Keystone is a distant far-off memory that doesn't come to fruition. Warrantless wiretapping is stopped. The NDAA bill is annihilated and non-existent. Talk of austerity ceases and desists entirely and it's all about jobs, jobs, jobs.  

        Basically, when Dems are Dems, then I'll vote Dem. Until then, NO.

        Corporations before people.... it's the American way!

        by Lucy2009 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:35:49 PM PDT

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    •  Read the actual facts (0+ / 0-)

      Don't just believe what the teevee tells you.

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:04:59 PM PDT

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      •  It's easy to believe the worst of Obama.... look (0+ / 0-)

        at what he's done and continues to do every single day.  

        He's corrupt, craven, a liar and a cheat.

        My bad for believing the worst re Honda.  After what was done with Blanche Lincoln in 2010.... I'm sure you'll understand my mistake.

        Corporations before people.... it's the American way!

        by Lucy2009 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:49:41 PM PDT

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  •  My Congressperson is Jan Schakowsky. (3+ / 0-)
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    I'll be astonished if she votes for any budget that includes Superlative CPI, but if she does, that's a deal-killer for me. I would support a primary challenge in that case. I would never vote for her again.

    Dick Durbin is a lost cause. He needs to be primaried from the left, quixotic though that would be.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:03:21 PM PDT

    •  Wanda Rohl? Ilya Sheyman? (0+ / 0-)

      I'd vote for either of those two if they tried to primary Durbin. He's an Obama lackey who is using his own thuggish tactics to ram Chained CPI down the throats of the American people, as I documented here.

      Polls don't vote, statistics don't vote, history doesn't vote, yard signs don't vote...PEOPLE VOTE!!!

      by DownstateDemocrat on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 02:55:35 PM PDT

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  •  Concede, then negotiate ...What's that about?... (2+ / 0-)
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    President cedes chained CPI before the Repugnants offer anything.

    The Pres. has not yet learned how to shame the Republicans into submission?  After getting sand kicked in his face many times, already.

    Read some history about Pres. Truman and how he handled Republicans.

    Why is it always necessary for him to concede before negotiations begin?

    When will our so-called leader begin to name names, kick butt, and act like a leader in command.

    I'm a graduate of the Infantry School at Ft Benning.  The motto is "Follow Me!" ... NOT "Here's a cookie..."

    Disgusted senior citizen and proud veteran who feels his sacrifices are being abused.

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:10:51 PM PDT

  •  Modern day "yellow dog" here (1+ / 0-)
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    2014  I'm going to be most interested in TX. We have a governor's seat (and Lt. Gov, who actually has more impact than the gov), and another shot at the Senate. So far no big Dem names, lots of Rep. jockeying and trial ballooning. And of course, Pete Sessions who is presumed to run again, and presumed to win handily, although I can certainly do my small bit to make it less "handily" than otherwise.  And with the new "Battleground Texas" things may be less cut and dried than the old guard thinks.

    2016 I'll be studying the primary candidates for Pres. veeeery carefully, but whoever wins has my vote in the general.

    As to money - what money? I'll probably spread a whole hundred bucks each around in '14 and 16. Not for lack of enthusiasm, but lack of resources.

    "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

    by Catte Nappe on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 02:43:50 PM PDT

    •  I think we subscribe to the same newsletter (1+ / 0-)
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      and I may even be moving to Texas soon.  Admittedly purely for employment reasons, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't romantically envisioning my wife and I as reinforcements called up to the breach for "Battleground Texas". :)

      Anyone outside the Hillary/Biden duopoly that you already have your eye on for 2016?

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:04:00 PM PDT

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  •  I don't think electoral politics is the answer (1+ / 0-)
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    it has been so rigged that the outcome will eventually be the same no matter what happens.

    The question is simply how long it will take for that outcome to be realized. Within the very narrow constraints of electoral politics, it is therefore better to support Democrats because it takes them a bit longer to get around to that outcome.

    New political parties won't change much, that is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The process is so completely corrupted that you aren't allowed to govern unless you've preemptively sold out. Before they let you sit on the gilded throne, you have already made the fatal compromise.

    To make real change, one has to work outside electoral politics altogether. It is time to re-#Occupy. After the Grand Bargain goes down--and it will, the die was cast long ago--there will come another system crash soon, and this time the #Occupiers will return en masse. Then the politicians--the smarter ones, anyhow--will realize that the better option is to try to reform the system rather than keep up the status quo.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:16:17 PM PDT

    •  mass occupation requires masses. (1+ / 0-)
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      I doubt you will get them,  but good luck.  It is a reasonable position.  Where did occupy go anyway?

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      by TomP on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:41:19 PM PDT

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    •  I cant help it,, (1+ / 0-)
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      I know Tom is posting this to gather opinions but

      it has been so rigged that the outcome will eventually be the same no matter what happens.
      is some weak ass shit.  why are you here?  Why are you even involved?  I cannot understand the process whereby someone creates an ID on an overtly political blog just to post that the entire system is corrupt and doesn't matter.

      You either do not believe that and are just venting because this issue has upset you or.... I don't know what else would explain this.

      You are going to look at the two parties, having recently endured 8 years, EIGHT FUCKING YEARS of Bush/Cheney and say there is no difference? We saw the McCain/Palin (PALIN!!!!!) clown show offered as a serious alternative and then the cold reptilian bullshit that was Romney/Ryan and you think that there is (YOUR words here) "no difference" because its all rigged?  

      Are you going for shock value?  Exaggerating to make a point?  Some weird form of snark that I clearly don't get?

      Everyone isn't 100% in love with Obama?  I'm cool with that.  Neither am I.  I wouldn't even want that to be the case.  But... really? REALLY?! Read your last comment out loud to yourself.  You really want to stand by that?  If you had to put your real name under that would you still type it?

      You are not the only one to voice this stuff.  Sorry for zeroing in you specifically but I will be perfectly honest here:  I dont understand you.  and what's more.. unless you are just making some point for rhetorical flourish, I have to confess:  I don't even really want to.

      Good luck.
       

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:00:33 PM PDT

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  •  excellent questions (2+ / 0-)
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    Definitely won't change my vote. But I live in Mass and in my town, Jill Stein almost beat Romney, so I don't have a tough choice to make. No one who could win a dem primary is going to vote the wrong way.

    As for contributions, when Obama voted the wrong way on FISA wiretapping in summer 2008, I decided I could no longer give him anything except my vote. He's done some good things and bad things since then, but nothing has changed in terms of my opinion about donating to him.

    So this won't change my behavior at all. I do worry that he has screwed Democrats in terms of how this all plays politically.  Even if - as is likely - no budget comes out of this, Democrats will be painted as having proposed cutting SS and Medicare. The fact that Obama proposed it and is not running will not exempt everyone else from guilt by association. This will hurt at the margins, which may be where the House and a a few Senate races are won or lost in 2014.

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    by eparrot on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:39:55 PM PDT

  •  I always vote and for Democrats only. I (0+ / 0-)

    voted for Obama because of the Clintons's history with the DLC.  So with Obama bringing up the CPI issue I've learned more about him but now I mentally move forward and look for the next best Democrat to vote for in the future elections.

    Do not adjust your mind, there is a flaw in reality.

    by Shrew in Shrewsbury on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:35:46 PM PDT

  •  Not directly, but... (0+ / 0-)

    Our local CD-level Democratic candidates have tended not to support this.  Obviously it will influence the primary for the open Senate seat in 2014, anyone on board with is gets crossed off my list (I'm looking at you, Cory Booker).

  •  A bit of messaging (0+ / 0-)

    Social Security is an ideal issue for progressives because it can be boiled down into something that everyone agrees with.  (Not "save social security", the astroturf crowd discovered that long ago.)  Compute the estimated decline in benefits over 30 years, round the number up (or unround it) into something catchy sounding ("Joe Bluedog supports a 49.7% cut in benefits" or something of that ilk) and just blast away with it.  Use it at the state level (it's not directly relevant but a lot of people get that and state level pols will very quickly get on board over something irrelevant to their short term career planning).

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