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Earlier this week, I mentioned that Fred Luter, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, enthusiastically agreed with right-wing talk show host Rick Wiles' claim that North Korea's latest instance of saber-rattling is directly related to the prospects of DOMA and Prop 8 going down in flames and the Boy Scouts considering allowing gays to become leaders.  Well, Anderson Cooper got his hands on that tape, and decided to invite Luter for a friendly chat Wednesday night on CNN.  Watch here:

When Luter tried to falsely claim that he denied there was any connection between the two events, Cooper played back Luter's own words.  And yet, Luter STILL insists that he denied there was a connection.  Cooper didn't need to say anything--he just let Luter's own words speak for themselves.

Later, Cooper called out Luter for saying that if the Supremes strike down DOMA and/or Prop 8, it could open the door for our destruction à la Sodom and Gomorrah.  Luter's response was pretty tortured.  He said homosexuality was on par with abortion, gun violence and racism--but then said he didn't personally think homosexuality was a sin comparable to gun violence.

Wiles hit the ceiling yesterday on his TruNews show, accusing Luter of acting like "a frightened puppy" when Cooper called him out.  What's the matter, Rick?  You don't expect your compatriots to be called out when they actually sit down for a real interview?

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  •  Tip Jar (19+ / 0-)

    The NRA's response to calls for responsible gun law reform: noun, verb, Second Amendment

    by Christian Dem in NC on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:49:57 PM PDT

  •  The same old crock about "biblical marriage" (7+ / 0-)

    mixed with a bit of "plausible deniability." "I didn't say what you heard me say because in my mind I was including other stuff."

  •  Here in NY... (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    commonmass, drmah, irishwitch, ExStr8, avsp

    ...we have yet to see Sodom and/or Gomorrah despite having marriage for all for some time.  So much rhetoric, so little time.

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:32:01 PM PDT

  •  I didn't say what you heard me say (10+ / 0-)

    because I wasn't speaking to you.
    I had a very specific target audience and you weren't supposed to be listening. They heard what I said but if I had known you were listening I might have said something that would have been different so you would have heard it differently.
    Are we clear about that now?

  •  Man, the media have gotten so lazy and so have (4+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, irishwitch, ExStr8, avsp

    the pols and talking heads that when a journalist actually does his job and confronts someone with their own words it's so out of left field that people like Luter just don't know what to say.

    I truly believe a lot of the nuttiest stuff would stop overnight if people were held accountable for what they actually said.

    What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

    by commonmass on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:04:32 PM PDT

  •  Wingers cling to strongly claim Sodom and (4+ / 0-)
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    irishwitch, ExStr8, avsp, Tinfoil Hat

    Gomorra' as symbols of evil as their meme', but fali to read the part of the story where Lot's relative offers his daughers to the angry mob. The Bibilcal story is not about gay relationlships.  It's about incest.  The Baptist guru needs to learn his Bible a little better before he goes on national TV and makes such absurb claims.  

  •  I wonder which of these "biblical marriages" (0+ / 0-)

    Mr.Luter is referring to?

    1.Polygynous Marriage

    Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.
     2.Levirate Marriage

    When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).
     3.A man, a woman and her property — a female slave

    The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).
     4.A man, one or more wives, and some concubines

    The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually  heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).
     5.A male soldier and a female prisoner of war

    Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.
     6.A male rapist and his victim

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.
     7.A male and female slave

    A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves.

    and of course …
     8.Monogamous, heterosexual marriage

    What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history

    1.Polygynous Marriage

    Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.
     2.Levirate Marriage

    When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).
     3.A man, a woman and her property — a female slave

    The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).
     4.A man, one or more wives, and some concubines

    The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually  heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).
     5.A male soldier and a female prisoner of war

    Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.
     6.A male rapist and his victim

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.
     7.A male and female slave

    A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves.

    and of course …
     8.Monogamous, heterosexual marriage

    What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history
    http://www.patheos.com/...

    •  this is sooooooo good! (0+ / 0-)

      I thank you for doing this. I think it needs to be a separate diary of it's very own, so that we can link to it from other places.

      "I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she (Christina Taylor-Greene) imagined it." President Obama

      by guavaboy on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:40:53 AM PDT

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