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  • The NRA has won the battle over post-Newtown gun safety legislation: After yesterday's defeat of the Manchin-Toomey background check compromise, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will pull the entire gun safety bill from the floor because it can't get past a filibuster. Apparently, Republicans were lying when they agreed with President Obama during his State of the Union speech that victims of gun violence deserve a vote.
  • The question now is whether the NRA's tactical victory will prove to be a strategic defeat as they boxed themselves into an extreme position opposed by 90 percent of Americans. In his remarks yesterday, President Obama was visibly angry, and called out the NRA for telling lies. I suspect this won't be the last we hear of this issue from him.
  • In a occurrence that has become all too familiar, President Obama heads to Boston this morning for a memorial service honoring the victim's of Monday's attack on the Boston Marathon. The event will take place at 11 AM ET at Boston Cathedral. Assuming that the White House streams it live, you can watch it here.
  • According to The Boston Globe, authorities plan to release images today of two separate suspects who were videotaped dropping bags believed to contain the explosive devices used in the attack. Given how much bad reporting there was yesterday, I'll believe it when I see it, but lets hope that progress is being made. NBC's Pete Williams, who didn't fall into the trap of reporting arrests that never took place, was a bit more circumspect than The Globe, but said he believes the pictures could be released today if authorities can't identify the men on their own.
  • The explosion of a fertilizer plant in Texas killed at least 5 and perhaps closer to 15. It also wounded more than 150. It was a truly horrific accident.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:30 AM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA) and Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  TX Plant Explosion (13+ / 0-)

    Just saw a link on twitter that the plant hadn't be safety inspected in over 5 years.

    Doesn't that make you want to run out and deregulate stuff?

    •  Linky? /nt (0+ / 0-)

      Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

      by DRo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:45:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  This is what "shrink the size of the federal (5+ / 0-)

      government" leads to.  And with the sequester, the agency responsible for inspections of chemical plants will have even fewer inspectors.  This is what we get when we agree to "starve the beast."

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:48:33 AM PDT

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      •  Gawd. They won't be happy until we're (5+ / 0-)

        back to the "good ol' days". Ah yes, the days of the Triangle Shirt Factory fire. Starve the beast indeed. Thirty+ years of hating the government, starting with Reagan ('government IS the problem' thanks Ronnie). Whatta fine mess.

        The Republican motto: "There's been a lot of progress in this country over the last 75 years, and we've been against all of it."

        by Hillbilly Dem on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:04:35 AM PDT

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        •  GOP strategy (5+ / 0-)
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          A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.

          A deeply cynical tactic, to be sure, but a psychologically insightful one that plays on the weaknesses both of the voting public and the news media. There are tens of millions of low-information voters who hardly know which party controls which branch of government, let alone which party is pursuing a particular legislative tactic. These voters' confusion over who did what allows them to form the conclusion that "they are all crooks," and that "government is no good," further leading them to think, "a plague on both your houses" and "the parties are like two kids in a school yard." This ill-informed public cynicism, in its turn, further intensifies the long-term decline in public trust in government that has been taking place since the early 1960s - a distrust that has been stoked by Republican rhetoric at every turn ("Government is the problem...").

          Worth reading if you have the time:

          http://www.truth-out.org/...

          •  and yet the Dem strategy for years (0+ / 0-)

            has been to count on these low-info voters to vigorously keep track of all the back-and-forth between the two parties and ultimately find the Dems to be preferable because they are "the adults in the room". "We tried to give them what they wanted, but they wouldn't take it! Vote for us!"

            it defies comprehension

      •  Was talking to someone yesterday about (2+ / 0-)
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        food inspections.  Pretty ineffectual right now and will likely get worse.

      •  Enforce current laws (0+ / 0-)

        Exactly, insure that there is no funding to enforce the laws, or pass regulations that prevent laws from being enforced.

        It is very likely that as the plant explosion is investigated we will see regulations that are unenforced that lead to the explosions.  We saw this the BP explosions that kiled a number of contrators.  Across the county we see mine disasters where miners are killed due to unenforced regulations.

        On guns, one big thing we need is a list of people who have applied for gun. Such a list might only be open with probable cause and a warrant, no fishing expeditions.  We might also mine for suspicious activities so we know the gun dealers who are selling to terrorists or the students in Vermont who are funding their eduction by selling to criminals.

        Then there are meat inspectors.  Clearly lack of funding and restrictive regulation mean they don't do much good.  They exist to limit competition in the industry.  Simple things like traceability are not allowed. Lives are lost so conservatives can keep a moral high ground.

    •  Corporate negligence in Texas, mass murder (5+ / 0-)

      in Boston, and an overall victory for the NRA.

      An unholy triad of death-friendly news.

      Moses might've just as well stayed in Egypt.

      America's greatest political dynasty...the Ka'an

      by catilinus on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:49:36 AM PDT

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    •  Perry on the "Texas Miracle" (4+ / 0-)
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      "People are fleeing high tax, high regulatory states to come and be a part of what some people refer to as the Texas Miracle."
      - Rick Perry

      "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

      by greendem on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:52:29 AM PDT

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    •  I worked in polystyrene foam manufacturing (4+ / 0-)

      for 16 years from the late 1970s to mid-1990s. Frequently during my career there, I acted as a safety inspector for whichever building I worked in at the time, though we were responsible for reporting anything anywhere that we might find- from a bare wire to an open knock-out on a junction box to excessive dust on equipment.
      It is inexcusable that they could go so long without a safety inspection.
      We were an OSHA 5-Star plant, which meant at the time that they would let us police ourselves for 3 years and would announce any inspection they might wish to make rather than surprising us.
      We employees kept that factory safe for all of us. OSHA never gave us a ding in all the years I was there. It was NOT a difficult thing to accomplish.

      Oh, yeah, we had fires. We had plastic, immense heat and static electricity. But with training and drills, the operators of the equipment were usually the ones that put the fires out within 10-15 seconds of ignition. We were badass.

      I am so sorry for the people who died in that fire and explosion. It may have been unavoidable, but not having safety inspections for 5 years makes me suspect it could have been avoided.

      Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:10:35 AM PDT

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  •  If (4+ / 0-)
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    this is a new series, I like it.

  •  I was listening (4+ / 0-)
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    to a woman being interviewed this morning and apparently people were drawn to the area to see the initial fire not realizing they were putting their lives in so much danger.  It made me think of the tsunami in Thailand where people were drawn to the strange actions of the sea and then were overtaken by the waters.  Humans are curious by nature but at times that curiosity can be deadly.

    •  People's ignorance puts them in harm's way (2+ / 0-)
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      in situations like this.  The people who showed up to watch the fire probably didn't know the danger they were in, because no one had ever explained the danger of a fire and subsequent explosions in a fertilizer plant to them.  It's possible they didn't even know the building on fire was a fertilizer plant.

      Same thing in Thailand.  If people had known what "the strange actions of the sea" meant, they would have headed for the hills - except for a few stupid thrill seekers.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:54:47 AM PDT

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    •  You know the old saying, (0+ / 0-)

      "Curiosity killed the cat."  When we had cats, we saw them crawl into places where they'd be trapped, just to explore.  From our experience, dogs don't do that.

  •  It remains to be seen (2+ / 0-)
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    whether or not the explosion in Texas was an "accident".

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:36:18 AM PDT

  •  Republicans would lie to the president? (3+ / 0-)
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    Who could have known?

  •  I wrote Diane Feinstein twice this year (5+ / 0-)

    The first letter was about filibuster--how important it was to get rid of the whole thing.  She was quite the traditionalist on that issue.

    The second letter was thanking her for her efforts to pass an assault weapons ban.  But in the letter was a reminder that unless she took care of the filibuster, there was no chance of getting any kind of gun control.

    Absolutely no one likes an "i told you so".  So I'm not going to do it.  But we need new leadership in the Senate.  These guys are pathetic.

    More Democrats.  Better Democrats.

  •  Take it for what it's worth, but the NY Post has (2+ / 1-)
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    ... photos up of purported Boston suspects.

    Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

    by Bob Johnson on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:40:25 AM PDT

  •  The NRA is killing the GOP (6+ / 0-)

    and do not care. When more than 90% of Americans favor gun control and this is STILL voted down, the message is loud and clear. It is when we next vote that we will see America's reaction to this. The NRA shot the GOP in the foot and cares not that it is so crippled. Power tends to boomerang on the powerful.  Money will never buy conviction or respect for mankind and these greedy jackals are now poised to learn a party ending lesson. Let them!

    I recently visited with an old high school friend of mine after years of not seeing one another. It turns out this person is a full blown tea bagger. And I was APPALLED at what I heard. Yesterday, when the news about gun control hit, there was celebration all around. For this person and many others, this had nothing to do with caring about others, life, liberty and happiness. It was a WIN against Obama. The hatred is palpable and I finally lost it and told the lot of them this is ignorance more clearly defined than ever before. I am struggling to find comapssion for these reality challenged individuals. It's hard to do when you are being personally spit on.

    The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. George Washington

    by bluebuckeyewmn on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:41:41 AM PDT

    •  If I thought the NRA WAS killing the GOP (4+ / 0-)
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      I'd send them money.

      The GOP has nobody but themselves and their sociopathic agenda to blame.

    •  I would not get overconfident (2+ / 0-)
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      Republicans can and will spread the meme that President Obama is ineffective. We will have to fight that.
      We will have to convince younger people that a top priority is to defeat the Right Wing. Then we start electing better Democrats.

      Censorship is rogue government.

      by scott5js on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:58:45 AM PDT

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    •  Nah. The NRA isn't killing the GOP. (2+ / 0-)
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      The GOP chose the NRA over the rest of America. If anything, it's "suicide by greed".

      Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:16:35 AM PDT

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    •  I have an alternate hypothesis (0+ / 0-)

      So, quoting what you said above:

      The NRA shot the GOP in the foot and cares not that it is so crippled.

      It turns out this person is a full blown tea bagger. And I was APPALLED at what I heard.

      Let's consider this for a moment. Did the NRA shoot the GOP in the foot? Or are the NRA and the GOP dancing to the tune of the baggers?

      I think they're dancing to the tune of the baggers, and trying to keep up. If the GOP supported universal background checks, every one of the Senators that supported it would face a serious primary challenge, whether the NRA supported it or not.

      And, unfortunately, I think it's going to be a while before these folks calm down and the gun rights side sees more reasonable people in charge. Which means that the most important good thing that should have come out of this discussion - better laws to deal with gun trafficking - is going to be very hard to pass for the next few years.

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      by maxomai on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:20:48 AM PDT

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      •  I always say... (0+ / 0-)

        they're sleeping in the same bed. And they are. I also believe the Democratic Party is culpable as they do nothing.
        Ultimately, I agree with you. It WILL take awhile and it will only be thru the electoral process that we the people speak and be heard.
        I WAS appalled and still am regarding the tea bagger. And you know? I shouldn't be.  That said, I hope I am ALWAYS shocked by this sick rhetoric. If I'm not, I'm not human.

        The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. George Washington

        by bluebuckeyewmn on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:42:45 AM PDT

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  •  File under "no surprise" (4+ / 0-)

    It turns out that the Federal agency that is supposed to protect chemical plant workers and citizens if grossly underfunded, mismanaged and completely feckless.

    The bosses win again, American lives are lost.

    Chemical Safety board investigations languish

  •  The "hallowed halls" mentality of longtime (3+ / 0-)
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    senators, like mine, Carl Levin who voted against a change in the filibuster rule, is their undoing.  All that "deliberative body" stuff has devolved into garden variety clubbiness.  But until the reality of the times we live in settles into that chamber, expect nothing.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:44:05 AM PDT

  •  Guessing Rush will be doing his Jabba The Hutt (2+ / 0-)
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    impersonation today.

  •  What really gets me is that the vote (5+ / 0-)

    in favor of allowing concealed-carry permit holders to be allowed to carry in states where doing so is illegal by state law garnered 57 votes.  Of course passage required 60 votes, but that amendment received more aye votes than did expanded background checks - undoubtedly because those additional senators want to stay in the good graces of the NRA.  Unconscionable.  

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:45:51 AM PDT

  •  I don't see how the NO-voters are in jeopardy (5+ / 0-)

    Take one example of someone for whom I have a particular dislike:  Senator Jeff Sessions (R-GA).

    What exactly do we think we're going to do to him?  Highlight this vote?  He'll do that himself.  "Defending the 2nd Amendment" will be part of his campaign literature.  And if you think they were able to bend and distort the details with Newtown only 4 months behind us, what do you think they will be able to do a year from now?

    He won in 2002 by 20 points.  He won again in 2008 by just under 30 (63-36).  You think a pro-gun reform Democrat is going to carry that seat?  Nominate one and he'll win by 35+.

    Do you think someone will primary him over guns?  From the right?  In Alabama?  Really?

    This is all rhetoric.  Even if there are some GOP voters that you think could be swayed on this issue, the second they see the alternative is talking about things like Immigration Reform, Marriage Equality, Regulation, Taxes, Gun Control, and the Right to Choose, they will rush back to Sessions in a second.

    I mean, I get it.  and I'm pissed too.  But this talk of "making them pay! RAWR!" seems unfounded.

    And I just picked Sessions, but do you think the same wouldn't hold true for Cochran or Roberts?  Mike Lee of Utah?  Crapo? Corker?  Isakson?   Anyone?!?!?

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:47:38 AM PDT

    •  He is from Alabama (0+ / 0-)

      Censorship is rogue government.

      by scott5js on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:01:38 AM PDT

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    •  My senators: Cornyn and Cruz (0+ / 0-)

      Cornyn is up for re-election in 2014.  The only way he will fail to win is if he decides not to run or dies.  Cruz was just elected, so he won't be up for re-election for six years, and he's already become a hero to our overabundant wingnut crowd here in Texas.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:18:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah? You and who's army? (0+ / 0-)

      I sent a shameful letter to Sen. Heitkamp who I supported last year. Yeah she voted no. I complained to my brother who's more a politico than I am, and his response was, "Well what are you going to do about it?" as if to suggest I would either not support these pseudo-blue dog Dems or vote Republican. I said naturally I wouldn't go Red, but I followed up by asking haven't the Democrats learned anything from 2010? When you piss off the base, the base stays home. You can't win marginally close elections when this happens (Ms. Heitkamp, take note). As Brooklyn Bad Boy aptly observed, we have a little time to turn this ship around. If we can't do anything by the end of the year, I'm convinced we're royally screwed in 2014.

      "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert

      by Rob Dapore on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:18:29 AM PDT

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      •  Heikamp wont face a voter until 2018. (2+ / 0-)
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        And look at the other diaries on this site... GOP is fractured, the demographics are turning against them, we're out fundraising them in every battle ground, we're getting our top candidates to run, we just knocked out their only hope in SC-01, their outreach is failing, etc etc.

        Its weird to see competeing memes of the "The GOP is completely fucked for the next elections" and "The Democrats are completely fucked for the next elections" coming from the same site.

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:27:13 AM PDT

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  •  Congress does a lot of 'praying for the victims (2+ / 0-)
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    and their families.'

  •  The illustration is inaccurate (1+ / 0-)
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    It should show the US Senate, hands outstretched, taking filthy lucre from the NRA.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:57:13 AM PDT

    •  I must admit (2+ / 0-)
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      to rearranging that cartoon into a much coarser (albeit more accurate) version in my minds eye.

      •  I know what you mean (0+ / 0-)

        and I agree.

        Would the NRA, for jollies, pull the trigger?  Gotta have a climax, you know.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:16:05 AM PDT

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    •  The NRA doesn't have to pass out (1+ / 0-)
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      campaign contributions to cow senators.  All they have to do is keep the foment high enough in their extremist members to threaten the senators' re-election chances, which works both in Republican and Democratic campaigns.  

      Gun nuts are single-issue voters when gun control issues are highlighted.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:23:36 AM PDT

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      •  True, but they do hand out money. (1+ / 0-)
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        Lots of it.

        You might say they have a two-pronged approach to getting what they want out of Congress.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:36:10 AM PDT

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  •  we can put one fiction to bed now (5+ / 0-)

    the NRA doesn't support background checks.  They merely support more people having guns accidentally and not so accidentally shooting each other.  Death is only the beginning for them to a new round of sales.

  •  This is what I'm telling my anti-regulation (3+ / 0-)
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    friends and family in their celebratory mood:

    It isn't over. And by refusing to regulate now, you set yourselves up for sterner measures the next time there is a slaughter of innocents. And there will be a next time, as there has always been.

    So, by refusing sane regulation, you set yourselves on the road to confiscation.

    Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Gentle Giant on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:57:58 AM PDT

    •  What's worse than a slaughter of schoolchildren? (3+ / 0-)
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      Don't kid yourself. This was a massive failure by Obama and the Democrats and a massive win by the NRA.There will be another slaughter soon. Nothing will happen to prevent it from happening again.

      Our party is not serving us well. We need to look at our politicians and strategy, not hope for some further carnage that the opposition could care less about.

      •  If the massive failure you're referring to (0+ / 0-)

        is the failure to pass filibuster reform, I can see how that argument can be made. Otherwise, it's Math, and the numbers were sufficient for the "Neas" to block the "Yeas". I wouldn't pin that on Democrats.

        Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by Gentle Giant on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:44:04 PM PDT

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        •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

          A president who cannot whip his party in line for a vote on a broadly supported idea like universal background checks is a weak, ineffectual president. That's what just happened and what we have with President Obama.
          Max Baucus thumbed his nose at him. Can you imagine that happening to Lyndon Johnson?

  •  Boston Cathedral of the Holy Cross (1+ / 0-)
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    just so you know, no one I know in Boston knows it as "Boston Cathedral". No one would know what that is.

    That must be it's full name...having "Boston" tacked onto the front.

    Website is "Cathedral of the Holy Cross, Boston".  It's in the South end.

    I know it must seem like a nitpick. I'm nitpicky since Wed about how Boston things are being portrayed and talked about as the attention is on our city.

    I just wrote to a friend that I feel like someone I love..surely a flawed someone but loved none the less...was attacked and injured. I was born and raised here yet hadn't realized how strongly I felt.

    People (at 9am) were lined up for 10 blocks to get into this event, they are reporting.

  •  The explosion caused a 2.1 earthquake (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.kvue.com/...

    recorded by the U.S. Geological Survey as a 2.1 magnitude earthquake at 7:50 p.m.
    That shock wave was felt as far away as North Texas.
    Had no idea fertilizer was that potent.
  •  The gun control side made a serious tactical error (2+ / 0-)
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    Do you think the GOP are more afraid fo the NRA, or that the GOP and the NRA might both be more afraid of their Tea Party-leaning constituents?

    I think they're both afraid of their Tea Party-leaning constituents.

    In fact, I think that, if we put aside the desire to eliminate the NRA as a political force and look at how the debate shifted, you will see that it is primarily their constituencies that bullied the NRA and the GOP into abandoning this legislation.

    I think this exposes a major strategic blunder on the part of the forces of gun control. They made this debate an emotional one; in an emotional debate, stupid ideas come to fruition (as they did in New York), and eventually, batshit crazy wins.

    Gun control is dead on a Federal level for the time being. In fact, I'd give it two to five years before we can try again. Next time, it might help to start by not ramping up the hyperbolic rhetoric fromt the get-go. Calling the gun rights side a bunch of murderers, idiots, and cowards, alienates the reasonable people and puts the batshit crazy in charge. You can find common ground with reasonable people, but not with batshit crazy.

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    by maxomai on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:15:14 AM PDT

    •  maxomai, I live in NY. (2+ / 0-)
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      And you're right. 7 bullets in a 10-bullet clip is a stupid idea.

      And they shoot themselves in the foot by rushing to do something without researching it thoroughly, pun intended.

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      by Gentle Giant on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:21:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I think the first error was going to Feinstein (1+ / 0-)
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      I like to think I've got reasonable positions when it comes to guns. For example, I think universal background checks are a good idea. I suspect that the people who are anti-registration are being overly paranoid. I think that the major problem when it comes to most gun violence is the availability of handguns. But the very first thing we got was a call for restarting the AWB. Quite frankly, that is something I don't support because I don't see what good it actually does. That is a ban that does not ban based on functionality but on cosmetics. At most, it slightly reduces the chance of what are already extreme outlier events.  Similarly, even though I'm for part of what the NY SAFE act does, I'm against quite a bit of it and, quite frankly, would be fine if the whole thing got tossed out by the courts because I have real issues with the way it was passed.

  •  Decal (1+ / 0-)
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    I want one that size for my truck !

  •  Massive gun control failure (0+ / 0-)

    I think this is another dent in President Obama's legacy. There's massive public support for background checks at gun shows, but he can't gather 60 votes.

    Any Republican President since Eisenhower would have gotten this done if it was a Republican issue with this kind of public support.

    We need a tougher candidate in 2016. Obama is simply weak at governing. I will not be surprised to see him cave on Social Security. He's good at giving pretty speeches, but underneath it all, he's weak.

    •  I'm sure he could have interevened more (0+ / 0-)

      in the gun control maneuvering in the Senate.

      However, because his position on Social Security is to cut benefits by lowering the rate of CPI, I'm kind of hoping he caves there . . .

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      by corvo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:29:01 AM PDT

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  •  Btw, Dan Maffei just took the floor of the House (0+ / 0-)

    to speak in support of CISPA.

    Wasn't he one of our endorsed candidates?

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    by Wisper on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:30:27 AM PDT

  •  when a device explodes (1+ / 0-)
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    and kills 3 and maims over one hundred we call it terrorism but when school children and their protectors are murdered we call it something else, is it just because a gun was used and the nra and their thugs in the media and in congress make it so, because we all know both incidents were terrorism but only one is called what it really is.

  •  The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization (2+ / 0-)
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    I know this comment probably sounds paranoid, but I believe the NRA and their Republican sycophants deliberately oppose any gun control or background checks because it keeps their sheeple and dangerous psychopaths armed to the teeth.  Thus, allowing a minority of rightwingers to over-run the majority, composed of moderates and progressives. The NRA then uses incendiary rhetoric about an oppressive federal government to gin-up their base of morons and lunatics to foment random acts of terror through public massacres like Newtown and Aurora against the American people, then sit back and smirkingly dare us to do anything about it.

    •  It is just like the GOP & ALEC nt (0+ / 0-)
    •  This was a legislative failure (1+ / 0-)
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      Four Democratic Senators voted against the gun control measure. You think Lyndon Johnson, or on the other side Bush 1 and 2, would have let this happen?

      Let's take Max Baucus. Lyndon Johnson would have twisted that guy's arm until he begged for the president's approval. Johnson would have concurrently given him some sugar to reward Baucus' vote. But Baucus not only votes against gun control, he concurrently warns that ObamaCare could be a huge train wreck.

      Maybe I'm old school, but that guy deserves some harsh retribution from Obama and the Democratic Party.

      What are the odds of that happening?

  •  If you want to volunteer to support gun (0+ / 0-)

    control, the following is from the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence:

    After last night's vote, is anyone willing to volunteer on the ground with state/local gun violence prevention activists near you? Email us at csgv@csgv.org and tell us what city and state you're in and we'll get you connected!

    Best/sh

  •  The Congress President Obama compromises with (1+ / 0-)
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    on Social Security, Medicare, healthcare, immigration. A great president would be leading the charge and seek real change. Unfortunately we have a president who too often lowers the bar for many who voted for him.

  •  Guns Don't Kill People, Senators Kill People (0+ / 0-)

    The NRA won because it was able to convince 46% of the Senate to ignore 90% of the American people: NRA "We Are America"

  •  Why are you saying this? (0+ / 0-)
    Apparently, Republicans were lying when they agreed with President Obama during his State of the Union speech that victims of gun violence deserve a vote.
    It seems that they supported cloture on opening debate which would lead to a vote in sufficient numbers to overcome the filibuster.

    That we don't like the results of the vote tallies is a separate issue.

    And if Reid pulls the bill from the floor without a vote that is his decision, not the Republicans as far as I can tell.

  •  Wrong graphic... (0+ / 0-)

    In place of a gun, the graphic should show a carrot on a string.

    Wrapped with hundred-dollar bills.

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