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I couldn't believe my ears this morning in my rush to get to work, when I heard Joe Scarborough, who was in the middle of an epic rant, saying:

We are the 90% who believe that we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. we should do everything that we can to keep guns out of the hands of violent rapists. we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of gang members. This is very simple. ...

Here is it in case you missed it, starting about Time Mark 3:00 ...



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transcript over the jump ...


[... "automated" transcript starting, around Time Mark 3:00 ]

Mika:
>> in statement, make mike bloomberg's group said, quote, democrats are quick to blame could is not stand united. republicans so quick to blame democrats for not being tough enough on crime handed criminals a huge victory by preserving their ability to buy guns illegal at gun shows and online and keeping the traffic market well fed. this amendment would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest sit wecitizens to exercise a fundamental right or face prosecution. as we have noted previously, expanding background checks at gun shows or elsewhere will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools. by the way, a new "the washington post"/abc poll show 86% support a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online. so as we toss it to you, joe, to take it to the panel on the front page of "the new york times," it kind of says it all. joe biden with his head in his hands. take it away.

Joe:
>> mika, there's so much to be said here. i think we have to start first let's start with the last thing you read. a statement by chris cox. a man i served with who i've always had great respect for. he's now the lobbyist for the nra. at least when he was in congress, he was considered a reasonable man. his statement was not reasonable. in fact, it wasn't even accurate. in fact, as joe man chin, the author of the bill, said yesterday, anybody that suggested that private gun sales, individual sales from one person to another, a family member or another, a friend to another, would be outlawed or would have to even go through this sort of check is lying. the nra statement is a lie. and i am ashamed of chris cox this morning that he would, for whatever reason, i won't even -- i won't even try to speculate as to why he felt it necessary to lie about what was in this bill. but he did. so the nra, unfortunately, to the very end, from the morning we found out that 20 children were slaughtered and six educators were slaughtered at sandy hook until last night, the nra has acted shamefully, putting out violent video games that 4-year-old kids could play with guns, making horrific statements. the nra is just absolutely behaved shame loessly and they will, of course, pay a cost for this. they will pay it over time. maybe not this year and maybe not next, but they will pay a cost because this battle, mika, is not over. in fact, i got bad news for the senators that were cowarding and running away from reporters who they were asked how they would vote on this bill. i make a guarantee, this fight has just begun and it's going to keep going because there are 90% of us, we are the 90% who believe that we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. we should do everything that we can to keep guns out of the hands of violent rapists. we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of gang members. this is very simple. we're just asking for a background check to make sure that the terrorists that are playing tapes and sending them around the world and saying, buy guns in america because their background check system is broken. we want to make sure that they can't do that. we want to frustrate the terrorists and we want to frustrate gang members and we want to frustrate criminals.

Mika:
>> yeah.

Joe:
>> 90%, mika, will not be ignored. and i look at this list and i look at these people that voted no. let's be very clear this morning. they didn't vote the way they wanted to vote. they voted the way the nra wanted them to vote because every one that voted yesterday knows in their heart of hearts after reading this bill that the bill would have made america safer. the bill would have made their state safer from terrorists, from criminals, from gang members. it would have made their community safer. it would have made their neighborhood streets safer. this bill, the president said this bill would only have saved one life. no, this bill would have saved many, many lives. so the american people were insulted yesterday.

Mika:
>> yep.

Joe:
>> and i tell you what, i'm sick and tired of people on capitol hill that i've known for a long time that i've respected, i'm sick and tired of them insulting my intelligence, acting like i am stupid enough and you're stupid enough and 90% of americans are stupid enough to believe that this bill would lead to a national registry! i hear it all the time! hey, the bill itself puts people in jail for up to 15 years. if they keep these names and start a national registry. it's offensive. it's stupid. and, mika, you know what? in the long run, all of those people that voted for a more dangerous america are going to pay at the polls. mark my words. this is going to come up and it's going to hit them in the face.

Mika:
>> i'm going to be taking a look at each and everybody who voted no. we will be putting them up on the screen throughout the show. also just to add to your point, joe. which was so beautifully put. this sums up just how broken d.c. is. this is the one area where this should have passed and then the next thing should have been really tough new mental health laws, regulations, programs that help make the background checks work. instead, we languish in national stupidity over an issue should be black and white. we are not taking guns away. cars need licenses and insurance and things that are dangerous need to be monitored or controlled in our society so they don't get in the hands of criminals. why is this so hard, howard? why?

Dean:
>> i will say put an optimistic spin on this. first of all, i think we should give pat toomey and joe manchin an enormous amount of credit. they are courageous and stood alone and came from conservative states. pat's constituency is very conservative and one of the most conservative people in the senate. joe manchin, west virginia, pro gun state and they stood up and did the right thing. secondly, this is really, i think the end of the civil war and the party. the nra is best terrifying the members of the senate which they did a good job yesterday. we had to go through this to get there. n i think there may be another vote, if not, another bill of some sort but this is -- this is the upheaval in the republican party. this is the attempt of the leadership of the republican party in the form of people like pat toomey to get back to the middle so they can win elections again and nra is very busy recruiting the angry people to them and that is what this is about. i think we had to have this battle. we may have had to lose this battle in order to galvanize the american people to understand how they are being blackmailed by the far right.

Mika:
>> a lot to go through to get anywhere. mark halpern, bring us into the mindset of someone who voted no here? what was the process of thinking before making that vote?

Halpern:
>> well, look. it's a complicated issue and yesterday was an emotional day. i don't want to impugn people's motives. a lot of number of republican senators would have voted different had they not been afraid of the consequences. the president and vice president were emotional yesterday and i think they are struggling how to regroup from this. it's hard for me to see another vote any time soon unless they change the bill slightly.

Joe:
>> mark.

Mika:
>> yeah.

Joe:
>> can i ask, how is this a complicated issue?

Mika:
>> yeah. i really want to know.

Joe:
>> you said -- you said it was a complicated issue. as you know, you can go back for six years. i don't impugn people's character for how they vote. i don't judge liberals. i don't judge very conservative people. i know people come from different parts of the country and i always talk about the need to compromise and come together. how is this a complicated vote? it doesn't infringe on anybody's second amendment right and everybody knows that.

Halpern:
>> here is why i think it's complicated because, in my career, i don't remember a situation like this where public opinion was so obviously in one direction and there was -- there was public focus on it, white house focus on it, and whatever is in the minds of the republicans and the democrats who voted against it makes this complicated and i don't remember an issue every like this where it was 90/10.

Joe:
>> i don't either. it's complicated because the answer is so simple and it's complicated trying to figure out in the hell people would actually provide the opportunity for terrorists, for gang members, for criminals, for violent rapists to continue to purchase weapons on the internet and gun shows without a background check. willie geist, in my calculation, willie, that's pretty damn simple, if you're interested in keeping america safe instead of keeping your own political seat safe.

Giest:
>> go back a couple of months. this was supposed to be the minimum that the president and the country was going to get on gun control. there was 90% issue. a 90/10 issue. we were talking about an assault weapons ban possibly limiting the size of the magazine clips and whittled down the weeks and months to this background check that seemed logical to 90% of the country and now the president doesn't get that. so you have to wonder with the most powerful man in the world running this, backed by the newtown families.

Mika:
>> backed by logic.

Giest:
>> backed by gabby giffords and this put together.

Halpern:
>> a lot of law enforcement.

Giest:
>> if you couldn't get over the finish line with the wake of the most horrific gun incident any of us can remember you have to wonder what the future of gun control in this country is, joe.

Mika:
>> absolutely.

Joe:
>> i got to say, mike barnicle, i'm not just saying it. most of the times, i know. when you lose, you lose. i agree with howard dean on this one. we have only begun to fight. this is just the beginning. with every violent act that occurs in the future and with guns being shipped from one gang to another, with terrorists going on the internet advertising how easy it is to kill americans because of our weak background check system, mike, has just begun. this will not end until we have a background check system that keeps our families and americans families safer.

Barnicle:
>> joe, two points here. one, a lot of analyst and a lot of news reports last evening and this morning are stating that the president suffered a defeat here with the failure yesterday to pass this bill. the president did not suffer a defeat. the american people suffered the defeat yesterday in the united states senate and that leads to the second point. the united states senate is a broken institution. several weeks ago, the vice president of the united states and john lewis stood at the bridge in selma, alabama, commemorating a horrific event there in the 1960s. at that time the united states senate was controlled by democrats. russell long of louisiana and many others. had they been in the united states senate today, had they operated then the way the united states senate operates today, the civil rights legislation of 1964, the voting rights act of 1965 would not have been passed. 50 plus one is a majority. not 60 votes.

Mika:
>> all right.

Joe:
>> you know, mika, i've got to go back to the beginning of this session. there was a lot of talk about filibuster reform. i was out there talking about the need for filibuster reform. for whatever reason, the democrats didn't push. i remember saying it. the day they made the rules to get rid of the filibuster, make 50 plus one pass, if they had made that decision when they set up the senate, then this bill would have passed. i got to say just really quickly. i know we got to go to break, but mark halpern, kelly ayotte of new hampshire. voting against the bill, i don't know that she really helped her cause in new hampshire for re-election, did she?

Halpren:
>> west joe look. the way a political price to pay which you're talking about and a lot of these members are not up right away in this cycle will be can they be candidates to run against them in case of the democrats mark pryor? i don't think he'll lose to a republican if you're talking about a political price it means some democrat has to run in a democratic primary saying i'm better to represent the democrats and the people of arkansas than mark pryor because of this vote.

Dean:
>> i will predict this is the end of -- career. governor schweitzer is ahead of him in the polls and bring brian to the race and he'll be the next democratic senator from montana.

Halpren:
>> in a retirement?

Dean:
>> yeah, either baucus will retire or lose the primary to switzer. switzer 20-point edge over him. in the democratic primary can you imagine max baucus? montana is a purple state and most people don't recognize that but it is. so that is casualty number one before we even get started. you're absolutely right. this is exactly what is going to happen.

Mika:
>> well, if people are worried about politics, when it comes to political progrenostication, joe you'll get bashed on twitter and people will lash out at you. you're always right about the political ramifications of something. you can always see a step ahead and you're right on this. unfortunately, it seems like some democrats and some republicans in washington are going to learn the hard way.

Mika:
>>> coming up on " morning joe" --

Joe:
>> you know what?

Mika:
>> yes?

Joe:
>> you don't ignore. you do not ignore 90% of the american people on an issue of public safety. you don't do it. they did it yesterday. and i've got to say, mark it down, this is going to be a turning point in the history of the republican party as well. and let those out there chattering, let them chatter away all they want to and scream like highenas. this party that killed this background check yesterday this party is moving toward extinction. a new republican party will replace it and a vote people will look back on and say that party, that extremism that was unsustainable.

Mika:
>>> coming up, senator joe manchin gives us his reaction to the defeat yesterday of his gun legislation. also senators john mccain and chuck schumer join the conversation and the latest details
[...]


I guess that's what the "middle of the road" looks like, in a NRA-sponsored America.


I hope Mika's right, about Joe being right, about the GOP being on the road to extinction.

Let's make it so ... Let's send the NRA-shills packing.



Originally posted to Digging up those Facts ... for over 8 years. on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:23 PM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA) and Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  To quote Morning Joe; (12+ / 0-)
    This is very simple.

    Wednesday, April 17, 2013
    Manchin-Toomey Amendment No.715 to S.649 Roll Call Vote
    We think it is important to clearly display the roll call vote for the Yeas and Nays in regard to the Manchin-Toomey Amendment looking to expand on Background Checks providing additional gun control measures. [...]
    Alexander (R-TN), Nay
    Ayotte (R-NH), Nay
    Baldwin (D-WI), Yea
    Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
    Baucus (D-MT), Nay
    Begich (D-AK), Nay
    Bennet (D-CO), Yea
    Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
    Blunt (R-MO), Nay
    Boozman (R-AR), Nay
    Boxer (D-CA), Yea
    Brown (D-OH), Yea
    Burr (R-NC), Nay
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Cardin (D-MD), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Casey (D-PA), Yea
    Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
    Coats (R-IN), Nay
    Coburn (R-OK), Nay
    Cochran (R-MS), Nay
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Coons (D-DE), Yea
    Corker (R-TN), Nay
    Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
    Cowan (D-MA), Yea
    Crapo (R-ID), Nay
    Cruz (R-TX), Nay
    Donnelly (D-IN), Yea
    Durbin (D-IL), Yea
    Enzi (R-WY), Nay
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Fischer (R-NE), Nay
    Flake (R-AZ), Nay    
    Franken (D-MN), Yea
    Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
    Graham (R-SC), Nay
    Grassley (R-IA), Nay
    Hagan (D-NC), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hatch (R-UT), Nay
    Heinrich (D-NM), Yea
    Heitkamp (D-ND), Nay
    Heller (R-NV), Nay
    Hirono (D-HI), Yea
    Hoeven (R-ND), Nay
    Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
    Isakson (R-GA), Nay
    Johanns (R-NE), Nay
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Johnson (R-WI), Nay
    Kaine (D-VA), Yea
    King (I-ME), Yea
    Kirk (R-IL), Yea
    Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
    Leahy (D-VT), Yea
    Lee (R-UT), Nay
    Levin (D-MI), Yea
    Manchin (D-WV), Yea
    McCain (R-AZ), Yea
    McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
    McConnell (R-KY), Nay
    Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
    Merkley (D-OR), Yea
    Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
    Moran (R-KS), Nay    
    Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
    Murphy (D-CT), Yea
    Murray (D-WA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Paul (R-KY), Nay
    Portman (R-OH), Nay
    Pryor (D-AR), Nay
    Reed (D-RI), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Nay
    Risch (R-ID), Nay
    Roberts (R-KS), Nay
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Rubio (R-FL), Nay
    Sanders (I-VT), Yea
    Schatz (D-HI), Yea
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Scott (R-SC), Nay
    Sessions (R-AL), Nay
    Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
    Shelby (R-AL), Nay
    Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
    Tester (D-MT), Yea
    Thune (R-SD), Nay
    Toomey (R-PA), Yea
    Udall (D-CO), Yea
    Udall (D-NM), Yea
    Vitter (R-LA), Nay
    Warner (D-VA), Yea
    Warren (D-MA), Yea
    Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
    Wicker (R-MS), Nay
    Wyden (D-OR), Yea
  •  Thank you, jamess. (5+ / 0-)

    Time for us to double our efforts.

  •  Sorry I just read Mika's lines. Something about (6+ / 0-)

    Joe even if he is humming my tune.

    guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

    by 88kathy on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:53:20 PM PDT

  •  Here's something I believe to be a simple fact. (3+ / 0-)
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    WakeUpNeo, Silvia Nightshade, a2nite

    The majority of the RKBA group on this site would not have favored the measure that just lost. "It wouldn't work."

    Doesn't house cleaning have to begin at home?

    I'm just saying.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 08:10:24 PM PDT

  •  I actually caught this, (1+ / 0-)
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    jamess

    this morning.  I do not typically watch that program as it often raises my blood pressure; however, I fell asleep watching the Texas coverage last night and awoke at 3:30 a.m. to "Morning Joe."  I was so surprised that he and I agreed on points. I didn't even frantically grope for my remote control and then go back to sleep.  

    You are my brother, my sister.

    by RoCali on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 09:34:23 PM PDT

  •  I watched to too (2+ / 0-)
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    jamess, auapplemac

    Fell asleep with the Texas coverage on and woke up at 6 AM so I figured I'd watch Morning Joe to see what he had to say.  I've heard him knock Republicans before but never like this, he was livid and his statements were absolutely correct.  Even gave it to Mark Halpern.  Good for Joe, and Mika too.  

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 09:59:44 PM PDT

    •  He has been strongly supporting gun restrictions (3+ / 0-)
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      jamess, a2nite, Eric Nelson

      since the school massacre.

      Has been incensed by NRA and has called them liars and the Senators cowards.

      It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

      by auapplemac on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 11:13:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  ALL of those who voted "No" loose in 2014 (3+ / 0-)
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    jamess, Eric Nelson, a2nite

    Target ALL of the U.S. Senators for re-election in 2014 who voted no.  Enough of this red-state crap.  We fight for this country or we don't.

  •  Wow, I agree with Joke about something nt (2+ / 0-)
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    jamess, Eric Nelson
  •  Good for Joe on hammering the cowardice.. (2+ / 0-)
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    jamess, a2nite

    ..and amplifying the need for firearm safety measures and filibuster reform (a swipe at Democrats notwithstanding), but this anti-registry NRA plug is a major buy-in to the NRA's platform imo:

    and i tell you what, i'm sick and tired of people on capitol hill that i've known for a long time that i've respected, i'm sick and tired of them insulting my intelligence, acting like i am stupid enough and you're stupid enough and 90% of americans are stupid enough to believe that this bill would lead to a national registry! i hear it all the time! hey, the bill itself puts people in jail for up to 15 years. if they keep these names and start a national registry. it's offensive. it's stupid. and, mika, you know what? in the long run, all of those people that voted for a more dangerous america are going to pay at the polls. mark my words. this is going to come up and it's going to hit them in the face.
    Firearms have serial numbers that could make tracing them so much more efficient, if we could break that "black-helicopter" paranoia aspect that the NRA has successfully sold, and have a national registry.

    The registry could be limited to a coordinated gathering of state registries not available to public if that is a worry.

    But Joe got this right:

    you know, mika, i've got to go back to the beginning of this session. there was a lot of talk about filibuster reform. i was out there talking about the need for filibuster reform. for whatever reason, the democrats didn't push. i remember saying it. the day they made the rules to get rid of the filibuster, make 50 plus one pass, if they had made that decision when they set up the senate, then this bill would have passed.
    Although the bill was so watered down near the end and lacked so many important measures it sure seems like the regret may be that a weak bill didn't pass, which would give republcans like Joe an ooportunity to say they cheered for something that NRA lobbiest Chris Cox would approve of., and take political creds for gun safety measures that were as weak as could be negotiated.

    I wonder if a Bill that had decent records keeping requirements, limited magazine size, outlawed assault style weapons etc. had passed or been the actual legislation, if Joe would still be as vocal about its demise.

    Thx jamess

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