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This week's compilation includes three God-given-but-somehow-forgotten guns, four accidents while cleaning loaded guns (which nobody ever does, though I've now found 102 who've done it so far this year), two home invasion shootings, one NRA-certified instructor shooting himself, six law enforcement officer FAILs, two more turkey hunters shot, and 10 kids accidentally shot, nine of whom either shot themselves or were identifiably shot by other kids under the age of 16. The victims are (or were) ages 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 14 and 14. All were accidentally shot within a seven-day span, from April 27th through May 3rd.

The new twist on the kid shootings this week was, of course, that two of the kids shot and killed younger siblings with their own guns, as opposed to guns belonging to parents or guardians which they found around the house. I felt sure earlier in the week that we'd all be talking about the Mountain Home, Alaska 8-year-old who shot and killed his 5-year-old sister with the rifle he'd taken hunting the day before. But that was before—one day before—the Burkesville, Kentucky 5-year-old shot and killed his 2-year-old sister with the rifle he'd been given for his 5th birthday. The 9-year-old girl shot the very next day by her 7-year-old brother in Auburn, Washington, was, it seems, shot with a rifle belonging to third sibling.

This week's derp title has to go to Fred Petersen of Stockton, Minnestoa. Mr. Petersen is an NRA-certified firearms instructor, who nonetheless managed to shoot himself in the hand. Now, it must be noted that he's not the first NRA-certified instructor to accidentally shoot himself. Not by a long shot. But he wins the crown this week for evidently deciding to answer his wife's query/challenge as to whether or not his .38 Special could be fired while it was still in the holster by actually sticking his hand in and pulling the trigger.

“The gun was pointed in a safe direction,” Petersen said, “but my finger was not in a good spot.”

So as you can see, it was the fault of the finger, acting on its own volition, and putting itself in a bad spot, quite independent of Mr. Petersen's wise counsel. Other than that, the gun was absolutely pointed in a "safe" direction. Clearly, it is only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight that we can, from the safety of our own homes, point out that it all could have been done more safely had he used his NRA training to unload the gun before running the experiment.

Also of some note this week, given the number of states currently considering legislative changes to allow students to carry their guns on college campuses: A student at the University of Southern Mississippi accidentally shot himself in the thigh, while sitting in his Jeep, parked on campus. School policy bans guns on campus, but state law permits it, if you're one of those highly trained individuals who've been granted a concealed carry permit.

Below the fold, please find this week's full Dishonor Roll.

  1. HARTFORD, CT, 3/28/13: Hartford police say one of the victims in a shooting on Bedford Street in March is actually a co-conspirator in the case who was accidentally shot by the other suspect. Two people suffered multiple gunshot wounds in the attack. Police now say that one of those hospitalized after the shooting, 22-year-old George Harris is believed to be a co-conspirator who was hit accidentally.
  2. NORTH BEND, WA, 4/14/13: Yadda, yadda, pry it from my ... purse when I forget it at the bar. Police responded to a report at 11:40 AM April 14 of found property at North Bend Bar and Grill. A customer had left her purse and gun by accident. Police educated the owner of the gun about weapons laws in bars.
  3. SUMNER, WA, 4/18/13: A man driving home from Sportco in Fife decided to pull over on the SR 167 highway near Sumner to check out his new purchase, a loaded gun. He tried ejecting a round and shot himself in the leg.
  4. ANN ARBOR, MI, 4/19/13: Police responded to a report of an accidental shooting where a gun went off while being cleaned and caused a non-life threatening hand injury. The gun accidentally discharged at about 3:47 PM April 19 in the 4100 block of Boulder Pond Drive, according to police.
  5. PUYALLUP, WA, 4/22/13: A man was cleaning his gun in an apartment on 9th St. SW and apparently forgot it was loaded, discharging a round into a common wall with the neighboring apartment. There was no one in the apartment so officers entered and found the round was lodged in an air mattress in the closet.
  6. GREER, SC, 4/22/13: According to the incident report, the woman said that the man had become angry because she would not go and cash a child support payment she had received in the mail. The man left the home, but returned several hours later and was intoxicated, the report said. Upon his return, he began packing a bag to leave the home. While packing, he picked up the woman's handgun and placed it in the bag, she told police. She removed the gun from the bag and was going outside to secure the gun in her car when he grabbed her by the back of her shirt and tried to pull the gun from her hand. As the two struggled, a witness said that the gun went off. Police have determined that the shooting was accidental.
  7. BARTON CO., KS, 4/25/13: A male was treated for a gunshot wound to the leg Thursday over the noon hour at the Great Bend Regional Hospital Emergency Room. He told the investigating deputy he accidentally shot himself at a friend’s house in the county.
  8. WAUWATOSA, WI, 4/25/13: Another super-ninja has left his Precious in the crapper. At 12:40 PM Thursday, police were called to Mayfair after a loaded revolver was found in a men’s restroom on the first floor just off center court.
  9. STOCKTON, MN, 4/25/13: A shooting accident sent a local firearms instructor to the hospital with injuries to his left hand. Fred Petersen, 66, of rural Stockton was showing his wife a .38 Special handgun Thursday morning in their home, Winona County Sheriff Dave Brand said. Brand said Petersen had cleaned the pistol and was putting it into a holster when Petersen’s wife asked him whether it was possible to pull the trigger when the weapon was holstered. In attempting to answer that question, Petersen triggered the action while holding the gun and holster in his left hand, accidentally firing a shot. The slug struck his left index finger between the first and second joint, damaging the bone, Brand said. “The gun was pointed in a safe direction,” Petersen said Monday, “but my finger was not in a good spot.” Petersen is an NRA-certified instructor for classes required to qualify for a Minnesota concealed-carry handgun permit.
  10. HOUSE SPRINGS, MO, 4/25/13: A House Springs man accidentally shot himself in the left hand Apr. 25 as he was "twisting the cylinder" of a Ruger LCR .38 Special 5- shot revolver, according to a Jefferson County Sheriff's Department report. The report stated the man was target shooting in his backyard and while handling the firearm, discharged a round completely through his left hand.
  11. EVANSVILLE, WI, 4/25/13: The man was cleaning a .25-caliber Browning semi-automatic handgun and thought it was unloaded. When he pulled the trigger to take the slide off, a bullet struck him in the right top area of his foot. The bullet exited at the bottom of his foot.
  12. PARKSIDE, PA, 4/26/13: So important was it to Michael Wanko that his wife Michelle learn to safely protect the family with his firearms, that he waited until they were drunk at 3:30 in the morning to show her how it was done. Michelle woke their 5-year-old that night with her frantic screams as she called 911 after accidentally shooting and killing her husband.
  13. HENRICO, VA, 4/27/13: A four-year-old boy is recovering after he was accidentally shot inside his Tuckahoe home Saturday morning. Police were called to the home on Rolando drive off Patterson Avenue around 7:00 AM. The child's father, Willie Alley, says he always keeps his gun locked away. Now, he has a message for all parents who own a gun and have children in their home. "Think twice about buying guns, I have," said Alley. Alley says he never imagined his .38 caliber gun would get anywhere close to his two sons. He says his wife was home with the kids, ages four and 10. Somehow that gun went off and his four year old was shot in the leg.
  14. NEW ORLEANS, LA, 4/27/13: A New Orleans man died early Saturday after he accidentally shot himself while trying to repair his gun, authorities said.
  15. CHICAGO, IL, 4/27/13: In the city's South Shore neighborhood, a 54-year-old man shot himself in the abdomen in the 7200 block of South Paxton Avenue at 3:15 PM, according to Chicago Police Department News Affairs Officer Joshua Purkiss. The shooting is believed to have been accidental.
  16. RICHLAND CENTER, WI, 4/27/13: Viroqua Assistant Police Chief Todd Simonson accidentally shot himself in the leg Friday while he was off duty in Richland Center, authorities said. According to the Richland Center Police Department, Simonson was re-holstering his service weapon while seated in his personal vehicle when it discharged. The round inflicted a minor wound to Simonson’s left hand and then entered and exited his left thigh.
  17. OSAGE, IA, 4/27/13: The hand of a friend of an off-duty cop has greeted his bullet as a liberator. Officer Brad Evans was showing his friend Hakkon Rosendahl his personal weapon, "and it went off," according to Osage Mayor Steve Cooper. Evans was suspended without pay for three days and will have to take additional firearms training. None will be required for Cooper, who says the gun just "went off." That's being too hard on Cooper, perhaps, who's to be commended for getting involved, I guess. But as long as we're punishing Evans (quite properly), let's not pretend it's because of something the gun did. Even gun enthusiasts say they agree with that.
  18. HOUSTON, TX, 4/28/13:  According to investigators, a 15-year-old boy accidentally shot his 14-year-old step-brother in the head. Police said the step-brothers were playing with a gun at their home when it discharged. The 15-year-old then ran to the nearby Glenbrook Golf Course and ditched the weapon, possibly in a bayou. Police haven't located the gun yet. The boy reportedly told police they found the .38 revolver a few months ago.
  19. PACE, FL, 4/28/13: A little girl was hospitalized following an accidental shooting at a Florida Panhandle home. The Santa Rosa County Sheriff's Office reports that the six-year-old girl and another small child were playing with an unattended hand gun at the Bell Ridge Apartment Sunday evening when the gun discharged. The girl was wounded and taken to a Pensacola hospital.
  20. CALHOUN, LA, 4/28/13: A Ouachita Parish man is recovering in the hospital after an accidental shooting. Deputies say a 23-year-old was shot on the 100 block of Wildlife Lane in Calhoun. The sheriff's office says a gun was jammed and when the owner attempted to fix the problem, it accidentally fired.
  21. GALES CREEK, OR, 4/28/13: A Washington County Sheriff's Office jail deputy has been placed on paid administrative leave following an altercation that occurred at a drunken party inside a barn early Sunday morning, the agency said. Authorities learned at some point during the altercation, Gargalis, who had consumed "a large amount of alcohol," had lost control of his personal firearm. No shots were fired. Authorities are still investigating whether Gargalis pulled his gun during the altercation.
  22. FORSYTH, GA, 4/29/13: A cadet with the Warner Robins police department was injured in a training accident when he shot himself in the leg at the Georgia Public Safety Training Center in Monroe County. According to Allison Willis of the Monroe County Sheriff's Office, Michael Jaudon was attempting to reholster his .40 caliber Glock when it accidentally discharged.
  23. FRESNO, CA, 4/29/13: A gang member who shot himself in the ankle with a stolen handgun was arrested by police on Monday. Police say 33-year-old Christopher Gutierrez was dropped off at Community Regional Medical Center with a gunshot wound to his ankle. Gutierrez told emergency room personnel he was shot by gang members near the intersection of Blackstone and Clinton avenues, police said. However, detectives found that the gunshot injury was self-inflicted.
  24. MOUNTAIN HOME, AK, 4/29/13: A 5-year-old Mountain Village girl died Monday afternoon in a shooting by her older brother, according to Alaska State Troopers. “Investigation revealed that an 8-year-old boy was playing with a Ruger 10/22 (rifle) that he had used the day before to go hunting, when he shot his 5-year-old sister, killing her,” troopers wrote. “The boy was home, his 5-year-old sister came home and within the span of 15 minutes she was dead."
  25. BIRMINGHAM, AL, 4/29/13: New mom shot dead holding her 10-day-old infant, hit by a stray bullet when a nearby argument between two men escalated to gunfire. Our armed society proves polite once again.
  26. CRAWFORDSVILLE, IN, 4/29/13: Police are asking for the public’s help to piece together how 40-year-old Josh Tribby got shot in the chest Monday night. “At this point, all options are still open. We’re not leaning one direction any more than another,” Casteel said, referring to whether the gunshot wound was the result of an accidental discharge by a nearby hunter, was self-inflicted, or was the result of an attack.
  27. TREMPEALEAU, WI, 4/30/13: The Trempealeau County Sheriff's Department says a 14-year-old was taken to the hospital after he accidentally shot himself in the hand. Deputies say the teenager was trying to clear a malfuntion of a .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun when his hand moved in front of the muzzle of the weapon and the gun went off.
  28. SOMERSET, WI, 4/30/13: A 28-year veteran of the Washington County sheriff's office was accidentally shot by a hunter as he walked a potential turkey hunting site in St. Croix County, Wisconsin, Tuesday, April 30. Cmdr. Jerry Cusick was shot once with a shotgun, officials said. Cusick was unarmed and scouting the area when turkey hunter Anthony Cardarelli fired a shot, wounding the commander in the head, face, neck and shoulder, said St. Croix County Sheriff John Shilts. "At least at this point, we have no indication (Cardarelli) was trying to harm Cusick," Shilts said. "He thought what he was shooting was a turkey." "I've never known a human being to look like a turkey," Shilts said.
  29. BURKESVILLE, KY, 4/30/13: A 5-year-old boy who was playing with a .22-caliber rifle accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old sister in Cumberland County on Tuesday afternoon, according to a news release from the state police. Cumberland County Coroner Gary White identified the girl as Caroline Starks. He said the children's mother was at home when the shooting occurred, and the gun was a gift the boy received last year. "It's a Crickett," he said. "It's a little rifle for a kid. [...] The little boy's used to shooting the little gun." White said the gun was kept in a corner, and the family did not realize a shell had been left in it. "Just one of those crazy accidents," White said.
  30. BALDWINSVILLE, NY, 5/01/13: One man was accidentally shot in the head when the gun he had in his hand went off after a struggle with his sister, state troopers said. Around 11:30 AM, troopers were called to 8 Wood St., where a brother and sister were fighting, Sgt. Tom Hamann said. The man had pulled a .22-caliber pistol and threatened to use it on himself during an argument with his sister, troopers said. When his sister tried to pull the gun away from her brother, it accidentally went off and the man was shot in the head, troopers said.
  31. DARBY BORO, PA, 5/01/13: Authorities say a suburban Philadelphia sheriff's deputy was wounded in the leg by an accidental gunshot while taking part in a raid. The Delaware County sheriff's office says 33-year-old Vincent D'Agostino was with local police and federal drug officers conducting a raid on a Darby barbershop Wednesday afternoon. As officials were making sure no one else was inside the building, D'Agostino was injured at about 1:30 PM Wednesday by the accidental discharge of another officer's gun.
  32. WAVERLY, VA, 5/01/13: Our fourth accidental shooting of the short turkey hunting season, this one a fatality. Raymond Weidner, 70, and Kevin Brooks, 46, were hunting wild turkey using shotguns. At some point, the two men separated. Weidner says he accidentally shot Brooks when he saw movement and shot in Brook's direction.
  33. SAN ANTONIO, TX, 5/01/13: A startled home seller who didn't hear knocks shot at the realtor showing her house to a potential buyer, hitting the realtor's husband (an off-duty cop) in the shoulder. It's a nice place, but you'll have to replace the stained carpeting before I buy.
  34. AUBURN, WA, 5/01/13: A 9-year-old girl was accidentally shot in the leg by her 7-year-old brother Wednesday night in Auburn, police said. Police said the gun was a .22 caliber rifle that had been in the closet of a third sibling who was not home at the time.
  35. BRITTON, SD, 5/01/13: Eighteen-year-old Dusty Groom was showing some others a .22 caliber handgun he thought was unloaded. It wasn't, and his friend's head has a hole that can prove it. Luckily, it seems the teenage victim is recovering in a Fargo hospital. Groom faces misdemeanor charges for reckless discharge of a gun, having a firearm on school grounds and false reporting to authorities. Wonder what he falsely reported, and whether that's consistent with Responsible Gun Ownership?TM
  36. DAYTON, OH, 5/01/13: A regular, old adult accidental shooting. Boring! Police say the victim wasn't co-operating about how the shooting happen, but police say it appears to be accidental. His injuries are reported to be non-life threatening.
  37. YUMA, AZ, 5/01/13: A 3-year-old boy shot and killed himself with a gun he found in his grandmother's backpack, which she'd left on top of the dryer. The backpack also held her meth pipe, if that's of any interest to you.
  38. WAKE VILLAGE, TX, 5/02/13: Police Chief Ronnie Sharp says a group of people were inside the home when one person was handling a .22 caliber rifle and it went off. The bullet struck a 17-year-old female, who has since undergone surgery and is expected to make a full recovery. Her name has not been released. The 24-year-old Travis Strange has been arrested and charged with aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury.
  39. MASON, OH, 5/02/13: Police in Mason said a man accidentally shot himself in the leg while handling a firearm while driving. Authorities said the 30-year-old man, whose name has not been released, was messing around with the gun about 8:30 AM Thursday near the 800 block of Reading Road when it discharged.
  40. MERIDIAN, ID, 5/02/13:  A 76-year old Meridian man accidentally shot himself while cleaning a handgun Thursday night, according to Meridian police. The man was attempting to unload the gun inside his home when it went off. The bullet passed through the webbing of his left hand, but did not hit any bone, police said. He was treated and released at a local hospital.
  41. FREDERICKSBURG, VA, 5/03/13: A Fredericksburg man was arrested Thursday after he fired a shot into a neighbor’s home—apparently accidentally, police said. A resident called police after finding a bullet hole in a bedroom wall. The responding officer found the bullet lodged in a wall inside the bedroom closet. The shot had actually been fired about an hour earlier, Bledsoe said. The woman said she heard the shot and a neighbor across the street in Central Park Townhomes, formerly Bragg Hill, had come to make sure she was okay. But the neighbor didn’t tell her he was the one who fired the shot. Police later went to the neighbor’s home and recovered the gun. Antonio Robinson, 29, was charged with two misdemeanor offenses, reckless discharge of a firearm and illegal discharge of a firearm within the city limits.
  42. SAN ANTONIO, TX, 5/03/13: An investigator with the Bexar County District Attorney's Office accidentally shot himself in the foot while clearing a weapon of ammunition, at the S.A.P.D. training academy.
  43. PARK CITY, KS, 5/03/13: A man in his 30s has been transported to the hospital with potentially life-threatening injuries after an accidental shooting in Park City. Emergency crews were called to the scene in the 1600 block of E. Gary just after 9 PM Friday. Dispatchers said a man accidentally shot another man in the stomach. UPDATE: He died. UPDATE 2: How did it happen? Police say a friend who lives in the home thought he had unloaded the gun and was putting it back together when it discharged and hit the 36-year-old Denver resident in the abdomen.
  44. WILLIAMSPORT, MD, 5/03/13: An 8-year-old Williamsport boy was flown to the Children’s National Medical Center in Washington, D.C., on Friday evening after he was shot accidentally, the Washington County Sheriff’s Office said. The boy suffered a single gunshot wound to the left thigh from a handgun.
  45. BRIGHTON, AL, 5/03/13: A four-year-old child is in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the head after an apparent accident Friday, according to Brighton police. Brighton police were called to the 4100 block of 7th Avenue in Brighton around 4:30 p.m. Friday. The four-year-old boy was found with a gunshot wound and was taken to Children's of Alabama, a Brighton police lieutenant said. The boy and a four-year-old girl were in a bedroom and one of them apparently got a hold of the gun. Police were not sure which child had the gun, and the incident was under investigation.
  46. HATTIESBURG, MS, 5/03/13: A University of Southern Mississippi student from Brandon remains in critical yet stable condition Friday after accidentally shooting himself in the thigh while sitting in his vehicle on campus. Blake Ballard, 22, was found on the pavement outside his jeep Thursday afternoon on the service road adjacent to the Ogletree Alumni House. University officials say Ballard apparently was not in violation of state law by having a gun in the vehicle on campus because he was over 21 and had obtained an enhancement to a concealed firearms permit, but he may face university discipline for having a gun on campus at a later date.
  47. CARROLL TOWNSHIP, PA, 5/03/13: Carroll Township Police say they won't charge a woman who they say accidentally shot her husband with a handgun Friday. Police reported on the department's Facebook page that the husband had gotten some old handguns from the attic Friday evening but didn't realize that one, a .22 caliber, was loaded. His wife was examining the gun, police said, and it went off, sending a bullet into and out of his chest.
  48. FT. WORTH, TX, 5/03/13: A courier left a gun in the teachers’ bathroom of W.P. McLean Middle School Friday morning, spurring authorities to lock down the campus. Fort Worth Independent School District spokesman Clint Bond says the Fort Worth officer assigned to the school found a .38 revolver in the bathroom of the teachers’ lounge Friday morning. Bond said an armored car courier who used the facilities earlier in the morning accidentally left the gun there.
  49. ELY, MN, 5/03/14: Covering all bases, these "Patriots" fired their guns indiscriminately from the car they were driving while drunk. But where was their swimming pool?

Originally posted to David Waldman on Sat May 04, 2013 at 12:51 PM PDT.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA, Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA), and Daily Kos.

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  •  One of our neighbors (20+ / 0-)

    is a collector and has won several marksman awards and he was asked by the county sheriff's department to teach the deputies and maybe even the sheriff how to shoot properly.
    According to our neighbor, the police really aren't all that proficient with guns.

    But, a few years ago, that same neighbor accidentally shot himself in the leg and the bullet is still lodge in the ceiling of his home.
    He proudly shows off his scar and the bullet and his belief is that when you handle a weapon, it's not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when" you'll have an accident.

    True story.

    •  Very common, it seems! (17+ / 0-)

      One of the debates I see most frequently on gun enthusiasts' online forums is between those who insist it's not a matter of "if," but "when," and those who insist it simply will never, ever happen to them, because they are so smart and awesome.

      The second most frequent, by the way, is between those who insist that it's unwise to keep a round chambered at all times, and those who insist guns are pointless without.

      •  I think, perhaps, one of those arguments may (3+ / 0-)

        have something to do with the other . . . .

        And all these fools here who shot themselves when the gun "just went off, by gumbo !!!!", I wonder which side of that argument THEY were on . . . . .  .


      •  Unloaded gun no better than a rock (23+ / 0-)

        I have heard this often enough from gun-guy acquaintances that I finally, strictly for self defense you understand, got a couple of .44 magnum rocks to keep by my bed. They have worked like a charm. Since I put the rocks by my bed, I have had exactly zero home invasions and also have not heard or seen a single black helicopter circling my home.

        There was an accidental firing though. One night I knocked one of the rocks off the night stand reaching for a book. Fortunately though there was no damage other than scaring the cat.

        I am a little concerned about attempts by the US Geological Survey to force me to register my rocks so they can know where to confiscate them.

      •  Ironic, because the very inventors of the second (3+ / 0-)
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        ZedMont, remembrance, Sylv

        amendment only had an option of unchambered guns.  They wrote the second amendment with bullet-free, unchambered guns in mind.

        That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

        by concernedamerican on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:45:08 AM PDT

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        •  They would not believe their own eyes if they (5+ / 0-)

          could see the homicidal madhouse this country has become.  I am convinced that with respect to the 2nd amendment they would say "How could sane persons turn a simple, reasonable right into an obscene mockery of itself?"

          And of course they would conclude that they couldn't.

          Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed. --Herman Melville

          by ZedMont on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:00:11 PM PDT

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      •  Never happen (2+ / 0-)
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        I will say it right now - if you do things the right way it is IMPOSSIBLE to accidentally shoot yourself.  

        Firing a weapon requires a couple of things.  First, you have to have bullets.  Second, they have to be loaded.  Third the safety has to be off.  And finally, under all but the most unusual circumstances the trigger has to be pulled.  The absence of EVEN one of those prevents discharge 100% of the time.

        There is NO WAY to accidentally shoot yourself while cleaning a weapon because the first step in cleaning is to clear the weapon.  No bullets, no discharge.

        There is NO WAY to accidentally shoot yourself while putting one together because the first step in disassembly is to clear the weapon.  The last step in assembly is a function test.  At no time do you load it.

        There is NO WAY to accidentally shoot yourself while carrying because proper carry is on safe, no round in the chamber.  For all the nuts who say there is no point in carrying that way, I can unholster, chamber and place on fire a 9mm in less than a second.  If you cant its because you suck.

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:28:58 PM PDT

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        •  Very definition of an accident (5+ / 0-)

          is something was not done the right way.

          Just sayin'.  

          •  disagree (0+ / 0-)

            Failing to do what you are supposed to does not result in accidents.  It results in a foreseeable consequence of not doing the right thing.

            When we do an "accident investigation" in the Army we look for the unbroken sequence of events that resulted in the loss.  If there isnt one, it is a true accident.  Like driving down the road and having an earthquake drop a bridge 2 feet in front of you.  Accident.  But when someone gets in a car tired, drives for 12 hours, fails to eat and exceeds a safe speed, its not an accident.  its the predictable result of choices.

            When someone ignores BASIC safety measures, what results is not an accident.

            It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

            by ksuwildkat on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:57:33 PM PDT

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    •  Yep, sounds right to me. (0+ / 0-)

      I have a Mosin Nagant that I took to an indoor range last year with some crappy surplus ammo. I was on the line when someone from two lanes over came and tapped me on the shoulder. He held out a little, twisted piece of metal, and told me that, when I had fired a couple of rounds before, the ricochet had clipped him in the shoulder. Luckily, it didn't have enough force to actually pierce his skin, but it was still pretty damn scary to think of what might have happened. (At that point I cased the Nagant and spent the rest of the hour shooting my .22 instead).

      My next trip to the range had my shotgun break on my first firing. Again, nothing too serious, but it could have turned out much worse.

      These are inherently dangerous items, and no amount of care is going to ever entirely negate that fact. If you follow proper safety procedures every single time you handle a firearm, you can seriously cut down the likelihood of injury, but it's always a possibility. On a long enough timeline, shit will eventually happen.

      "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

      by JR on Sat May 04, 2013 at 11:00:25 PM PDT

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  •  WTF! "Just one of those crazy accidents"??? (8+ / 0-)

    These fucking gun owners are too stupid to be trusted with any kind of weapon.

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Sat May 04, 2013 at 01:13:21 PM PDT

  •  Oy vey! The stupidity of some people! (6+ / 0-)

    The Greer incident happened in the next town over and the tragedy in Kentucky the other day happened in my dad's home county.  The shooting did not actually occur in the town of Burkesville, but out in the country of Cumberland County.  I keep wondering which small community it happened in.  Kettle?  Bow?

    I feel so terrible for that little boy who shot his sister.  He will bear the scars of that for the rest of his life.

    •  Sometimes I have to approximate. (7+ / 0-)

      I prefer not to simply assign them to unincorporated county lands, if possible, and if Google Maps will give me a municipality to attach it to, I go with that. But an awful lot of these accidents seem to happen out in the boonies, which is unsurprising, since it's where the guns are.

      But schools will be immune to actuarial science, so it's OK if there are more guns there.

    •  GUN JUNKIES (2+ / 0-)
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      It is to be hoped the parents bear the weight of years in DOC. This listing does not encompass all "accidents" in the US, many are never reported as such. The paranoid gun worshippers are JUNKIES(.)

    •  Nothing Can Be Said to Excuse This (3+ / 0-)
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      ... the Burkesville, Kentucky 5-year-old shot and killed his 2-year-old sister with the rifle he'd been given for his 5th birthday.
      I submit that there is no five-year old in the country who is mature enough and grounded enough to fully understand what a "real" rifle is. Further, "Chipmunks" and "Cricketts" should be outlawed as they contribute to the confusion.

      I also submit that the parents of those children are unfit. The collateral damage from their "hunting and shooting tradition" is unacceptable.

      "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything even remotely true." -- H. Simpson

      by midnight lurker on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:02:50 PM PDT

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  •  and once again, I will ask, nay BEG, our RKBA (16+ / 0-)

    posse to please please please respond to this diary series with one of your own, listing all of the dozens or even hundreds of successful "defensive gun uses" there must surely be every day in the US, wherein law-abiding gun-owning superheroes use their freedomz and liberteez and rightz to defend good red-blooded Merkans from those hordes of homicidal stranger maniacs who are surely lurking everywhere just waiting for the chance to get us all.

    I anxiously await.

  •  Darwin Awards, anyone? N/T (2+ / 0-)
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    Glen The Plumber, Munchkn

    No one man can terrorize a whole nation unless we are all his accomplices...Edward R. Murrow

    by maxcat06 on Sat May 04, 2013 at 01:33:18 PM PDT

  •  Again I marvel (10+ / 0-)

    at all the young children getting their little hands on loaded weapons. That's some responsible gun ownership right there.

    "They say that time can be measured by the length of Thomas Friedman’s moustache." - Wingnut hate mail author.

    by Plox on Sat May 04, 2013 at 01:35:51 PM PDT

  •  David, are you keeping this in a list somewhere? (7+ / 0-)

    Like GoogleDocs or whatnot?   Our Right Wing Violence mapping database V1 and Version 2 database and map.

    The reason I ask is for random questions such as the lethality of children 9 and under holding guns since January 1st to compare with other threats.

    Republicans: They hate us for our Freedom.

    by mikeconwell on Sat May 04, 2013 at 01:53:29 PM PDT

  •  About those guns specifically for children. (7+ / 0-)

    I posted the following in another diary and didn't get a single response (I hope it's okay to repeat myself here, it's a little long). Maybe it's just one of those ideas I get sometimes, that sounds okay in my head, but isn't workable. At all.
    I don't know:
    There are very explicit laws, with stiff penalties, for childrens' toys that contain lead. We strictly control the manufacture, sale or import of toys for children under 12 years of age. But guns designed specifically for kids? Can't restrict that, apparently. But they would have to handle bullets, right? That is, the weapons designed specifically for children could not in any reasonable way be said to be able to avoid children handling lead. I'm talking about children, even under supervision, handling lead bullets, loading a weapon, spending all afternoon at the range, etc.
    Here's what the lead law says:

    US Consumer Product Safety Commission
        Lead Content Limits

        The limits on the amount of lead in children's products are phased in over the course of three years. By February 10, 2009, products designed or intended primarily for children 12 and younger may not contain more than 600 ppm of lead. Children's products that contain more lead than 600 ppm are banned in the U.S. after February 10, 2009, and the sale of those products can result in significant civil and criminal liability. The statute provides that paint, coatings or electroplating may not be considered a barrier that would make the lead content of a product inaccessible to a child. After 1 year from enactment, or August 14, 2009, products designed or intended primarily for children 12 and younger cannot contain more than 300 ppm of lead. The limit goes down to 100 ppm after three years, or August 14, 2011, unless the Commission determines that it is not technologically feasible to have this lower limit.

    A bizarre legal approach? Yes, I know. But perhaps there's a lawyer outraged enough at guns specifically designed for children to look into using this angle to get these weapons out of the hands of children.
    •  Not bizarre at all (4+ / 0-)
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      The biggest risk for lead poisoning from children using or being around firarms probably comes from ingestion/inhalation, and might be a risk similar to second hand smoke.

      It's a research study that is begging to be done: measurements of lead levels in children mapped with relative firearm exposure.


      Background - No known firearms exposure - matched by age, socioeconomic status and type of dwelling. (Test results at t = 0, compared with test results at later time points.)

      Level 1 - Lives in a home with someone who shoots firearms/cleans the firearms elsewhere one day per month.

      Level 2 - ... one day per week.

      Level 3 - ... 2 days per week.


      Up to shoots firearms, (number of bullets) once a week,


      Follow-up time points could test for lead quarterly for a few years.

      I'll bet there is already lead exposure just from having a parent that goes to the range once or twice a month. Unless the shooter takes pretty serious preventative measures the cars and laundry are probably all contaminated with lead.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat May 04, 2013 at 04:48:30 PM PDT

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      •  Lead exposure has come up (2+ / 0-)
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        on some lactation lists I'm on.  Is it safe for a breastfeeding mother to be a cop?  A soldier?  Women in these fields are exposed to lead from firing guns.

        This definitely bears looking into.

        •  Yes, in my opinion it could still be safe (0+ / 0-)

          As long as precautions are taken to avoid inhalation and ingestion when she is at the shooting range.


          1. Mask that filters vaporized lead.
          2. Scrub with special soap at the range after cleaning the weapon.
          3. Changes clothing at the range.
          4. Launders range clothes separately (perhaps hire a uniform laundry service).

          That would avoid most of the exposure from hands, clothing, into the personal vehicle and tracking it home.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:36:51 PM PDT

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        •  My sister went to (1+ / 0-)
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          a la leche league info night.  The discussion kicked off with everybody saying why they wanted to breast feed.  Sis said she wanted to do it because it's portable and the kid gets antibodies and the like.  Several of the more militant breast feeders said they planned to do it (or were doing it) because it was "God's will".  Hard to imagine the Lord wanting lead in the blessed leche.

      •  I wish I was better at this. (2+ / 0-)
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        What you described sure sounds like it would prove what exposure to lead toxicity a child endures firing a weapon.
        And, looking at the US Consumer Product Safety Commission Lead Content Limits, I have to believe they already have done in-depth research in order to come up with the ppm limitations shown in the law.
        Is it possible to hope an attorney could use this approach to get weapons banned which are designed specifically for children?

    •  Actually, that's not bizarre at all! (2+ / 0-)
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      I like it!

      Here in California we have Prop 65 for lead. I'm going to see if ammo is covered...

  •  A reminder: many of these cases involve egregious (2+ / 0-)
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    Cartoon Peril, atxcats

    Negligence or alcohol, but, it accidents also occur when sober, intelligent people let down their guard temporarily. It happened in my family this year, and nobody was injured. There are only reports when someone gets hurt (or, sometimes, property.)

    “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

    by jeff in nyc on Sat May 04, 2013 at 05:05:21 PM PDT

  •  #9, can you pull the trigger in the holster? (3+ / 0-)
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    atxcats, a2nite, unterhausen

    Why is this even a subject of inquiry?  Wouldn't the pistol have to be removed from the holster to be able to shoot anyone besides the Freedom®-Loving Patriot who's wearing the holster?

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sat May 04, 2013 at 05:25:01 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, but.. (2+ / 0-)
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    How many people killed themselves accidentally while cleaning their cars?

  •  My First Accidental Shooting (2+ / 0-)
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    Here's a great take on the horrifying commercial for the gun that was involved in the recent Kentucky shooting: Crickett "My First Rifle"

  •  Issue with the derp award (1+ / 0-)
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    I fear that I must take issue with the derp title being given to Fred Peterson. Though he could have unloaded the gun before trying to demonstrate whether it could be fired while in the holster, it wouldn't have been a true test of firing since there wouldn't be any actual, you know, firing.

    He might have shown that the trigger could be pulled, or that the gun could be dry fired, but that wasn't the question. The question he had to answer was could it be fired. And that, of course, would have involved an actual bullet coming out the correct end of the barrel with appropriate banging and destruction of something.

    So he did, I think, perform the demonstration correctly to prove, beyond a doubt, that it could be fired. No bullet coming out would have been an inconclusive test. After all, an unloaded gun is no better than a rock, and unless a bullet comes out somewhere, the gun has not realized its true, god-ordained destiny.

    So I think the derp title must be awarded to Mr. Peterson's finger which was stupidly in front of the barrel of the gun when it was endeavoring to achieve its holy destiny.

  •  50. 15 year old shoots himself in chicago (0+ / 0-)

    boy accidently shot himself in the thigh over the weekend.  Wasn't clear who's gun it was.

    The symbol for the Republican party shouldn't be an elephant -- it should be a unicorn.

    by Deadicated Marxist on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:27:05 AM PDT

  •  NRA instructor fail and Mississippi student fail (1+ / 0-)
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    would be funny.

    If the rest of the incidents  weren't so damn tragic.  Gotta love a moron who pulls the trigger on a holstered loaded gun. Or who holsters a gun with the safety off.

    How many more must die? WTF is wrong with people giving guns to F'ing toddlers.

    They should have their remaining children taken away somewhere safe.

    “I wore black because ... it's still my symbol of rebellion -- against a stagnant status quo, against our hypocritical houses of God, against people whose minds are closed to others' ideas.” -- Johnny Cash

    by RocketJSquirrel on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:27:07 AM PDT

  •  And I just finished reading about a 6 year old (3+ / 0-)
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    in Florida who was shot by her 13 year old brother.

    The article included this frightening info-

    According to the Children's Defense Fund, one-third of all households with children younger than 18 have a gun, and more than 40 percent of gun-owning households with children store their guns unlocked.

    "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

    by aggressiveprogressive on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:30:07 AM PDT

  •  The only thing that stops a bad finger with a gun (0+ / 0-)

    is a good finger with a gun.

  •  Not exactly fail but (3+ / 0-)
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    Back in March, cops in Middlefield, Ohio pulled over a car for running a stop sign.  Before they even got out of the car, dude rolls out of the driver side with an AK-47 firing 37 shots in to the cop car.  

    Police respond with 54 shots of their own which leaves him dead in the street.  Car was loaded with eight 40-round clips and a bunch of militia literature.   .....anyway, just this weekend the cops released the dashboard cam from the traffic stop:

    The guy is yelling "Kill Me!" the whole time.  The female cop was shot in the hand, the male cop took shrapnel in the knee.  ...the "Militia Man" has slightly more serious injuries, as those that seek out a "Suicide By Cop" situation often do.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:34:16 AM PDT

    •  Obviously, a real patriot (1+ / 0-)
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      who died to protect our freedoms.

      I wonder how many clips Jesus would carry with his AK-47.

      The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

      by richardak on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:47:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Shooting the Multitude (0+ / 0-)

        This is also known as the "miracle of the five loaves bullets and two fish clips" given that the Gospel of John reports that five small barley loaves 7.62x39mm rounds and two small fish standard issue 30-round clips supplied by a boy were used by Jesus to feed shoot a multitude.

        According to the Gospels, when Jesus heard that John the Baptist had been killed, he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place near Bethsaida.

        The crowds followed Jesus on foot from the towns. When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed ignored their sick pre-existing conditions. As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, "This is a remote place, and it's already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food Freedom."

            Jesus replied, "They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat shoot."

            "We have here only five loaves rounds of bread ammunition and two fish clips," they answered.

            "Bring them here to me," he said.

        Jesus directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves bullets and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke loaded the loaves bullets.

        Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. They all ate shot and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.

        This is known as the "Feeding Shooting of the Multitude" and is one of the Freedom MIracles of Jesus.


        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:59:07 AM PDT

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  •  My stupid finger (0+ / 0-)

    Just like Mr. Peterson (the NRA instructor who shot himself) I almost damaged myself when I put MY finger in a bowl of ice cream, by accident.  Guns don't kill people.  Fingers kill people.  If Mr. Peterson Had put his hand in a bowl of ice cream, I'll bet it wouldn't hurt as much a shooting himself with a .38 revolver.  Guns DO KILL.  And it's because IDIOTS think they need one in there home (so they can be the new John Wayne in their neighborhood).  The only gun that Can't kill your child is the one you Don't buy.

  •  clarification (1+ / 0-)
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    "Now, it must be noted that he's not the first NRA-certified instructor to accidentally shoot himself. Not by a long shot."

    not by a long shot, but in fact, by a very short shot.

  •  Sad and stupid. Thanks Kagro. nt (0+ / 0-)

    God be with you, Occupiers. God IS with you.

    by Hohenzollern on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:39:16 AM PDT

  •  Okay, here's a delicate question about restroom (0+ / 0-)

    "accidental" abandonments of guns:  what is it about the process of wearing a holster or carrying a gun in your pocket, and peeing at a urinal or pulling your pants down to sit on the toilet, that makes guys take their guns off and leave them on shelves?

    Can't you pee standing up with your pants and a holster on?  Why would you need to take the gun off?

    And if these guys take their guns off before they enter the stalls to sit on the toilet, then why aren't there fold-down shelves inside men's rest room stalls just as there are in women's?  

    Sounds to me like men's rest room stalls need to have stall-wall fold-down shelving as a matter of law, immediately.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:43:39 AM PDT

  •  This generation of "Helicopter Moms" spend the (1+ / 0-)
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    day fighting toy manufactures about unsafe toys, yet sent their children over to play with the neighborhood kids with access to guns.  It's a crazy world we live in.

  •  Wayne LaPierre was testing his protective cup... (0+ / 0-)


    There were no injuries.

    Ayn is the bane! Take the Antidote To Ayn Rand and call your doctor in the morning: You have health insurance now! @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:46:17 AM PDT

  •  Remembering what it was like when I was a kid (0+ / 0-)

    my brother would fight with me a lot. Thank goodness there were no guns around.

    Considering how many adults give in to their emotional urges, and that is someone who supposedly has had time to learn better, it's insane giving guns to kids.

    Most kids do fight at some time or another. Add a gun to that...

    The lack of intelligence behind of lot of the pro-gun propaganda leaves me shaking my head and I just do not get it. Would they also give their kids cigarettes and booze?

  •  i'm not saying (0+ / 0-)

    that mr peterson suggests that nra instructors are stupid just incompetent and ignorant, thats the guns and bullets over anything else mentality of the nra.

  •  This will not end well. (1+ / 0-)
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    The crazies are dying for a fight. When will the science community, the university community, and serious conservatives step up and face these fuckers, down?!

    Duke? UNC? You going to sit and watch NC go to the ignorant?

    The media is a joke. It not much more than kids playing the part. The comedians are the only people telling the truth, anymore.

    The belch and buckshot crowd have been duped with abstracts like "freedom" and "liberty." They don't dare say what really makes the blood boil.

    How much more of this are we going to take?

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:52:15 AM PDT

  •  #3 is hilarious. I'm so responsible I can't wait (0+ / 0-)

    to get home to look at my new gun.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:56:33 AM PDT

  •  And the people of Burkesville, KY (0+ / 0-)

    want the world to go away (understandable) because outsiders don't understand that guns are a normal part of life there and the parents are good people!

    Turns out Mom had stepped outside the trailer (exact word used in the article) and guess what?  "Didn't realize the gun was loaded."

  •  This is just amazing (4+ / 0-)
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    Im a gun owner.  Im also a soldier.  I have spend YEARS carrying both pistols and riffles 24/7, much of that time with them loaded.  I have cleaned weapons hundreds, maybe even thousands of times.  I have fired everything from a 120mm M1A1 tank to a .177 air rifle.  In all that time and in all those thousands of rounds I have never even come close to shooting myself or anyone I didn't intend to.

    Every day in Iraq and Afghanistan I ate meals with hundreds of other guys, all armed.  Not one accidental discharge.  I drove thousands of miles in vehicles with "functional not comfortable" suspension, not one discharge.

    My personal weapon is less than 5 feet from where I sleep and yet it has never once fired itself.  I have no concern about children finding it because it is in a locked box with a trigger lock on it.

    You have to work REALLY hard to accidentally shoot yourself.  These people are total idiots.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:06:08 PM PDT

    •  The idiots are bad enough, (1+ / 0-)
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      but The cops and 'certified firearm instructors' who should know better terrify me.  If these are the people teaching 'gun safety' no wonder 30,000 people a year die from guns.

      Children shooting children is the worst. Bad enough that we aren't funding education and that the Sequester is taking food from hungry kids, we refuse to protect them from deadly weapons.  

      I don't care what the 'local culture' is - any parent who allows a child access to a gun should be jailed for negligence.  

    •  It's pretty upsetting, yes. (2+ / 0-)
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      And I started keeping these lists when the NRA started saying that solution to our problems was to let ordinary folks like this carry their weapons into every classroom in America.

      "Oh, but there won't be any problems," they said, "because everyone will be trained."

      As though I haven't been finding supposedly trained people doing all these same stupid things. And trainers, too!

  •  And the number of people who shoot themselves (0+ / 0-)

    while 'cleaning' their gun is unbelievable.  It's as hollow an excuse as 'the dog ate my homework'...

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:10:11 PM PDT

  •  5/4/13 13 yo boy shoots 6 yo sister (0+ / 0-)

    According to the agency, Angela was shot by her 13-year-old brother shortly before 7 p.m. Saturday inside their residence along the 5900 block of Northeast Second Terrace.
    "The siblings had been home alone when the teen found the handgun," Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Dani Moschella said in a news release.
    "Her shirt was bloody, and you could see through a piece of gauze that she had a hole in her chest above the heart," said Latourrette, who has two young daughters. "Her eyes were wide open in a blank stare, like she was in shock. I'll never forget that look."
    The girl's condition is improving.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:10:27 PM PDT

  •  If guns don't kill people... (2+ / 0-)
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    then why are so many of these incidents reported as "the gun accidentally discharged", or "the gun just went off"?  In all of these cases it was the gun's fault that freedom projectiles were liberated?

  •  The worship of guns requires human sacrifices (3+ / 0-)
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    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by richardak on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:50:37 PM PDT

    •  Folks we have a winner! Just excellent. Would you (1+ / 0-)
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      mind if borrowed that for my sig line?

      but our lives will only ever always continue to be a balancing act that has less to do with pain and more to do with beauty ~Shane Koyczan 'To This Day Project' Bullying

      by denig on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:18:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Go ahead... (2+ / 0-)
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        but I expect residuals, payed in bitcoin. :)

        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

        by richardak on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:24:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Bitcoin is a mystery to me. However I will put (1+ / 0-)
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          your name on it.

          The worship of guns requires human sacrifices evidently ~richardak
          See. Doesn't that look great?

          Although I wish I could figure out a way to make the evidently, sit on the second line, the way you did it.  That's so perfect

          The worship of guns requires human sacrifices evidently. ~richardak

          by denig on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:43:27 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  What time (0+ / 0-)

    Does Dance Moms come on?  

  •  So what is the end game? (0+ / 0-)

    You've successfully and accurately pointed out that many gun owners are morons who should never be allowed anywhere near a gun.  

    If every single incident listed were the result of misuse of a legally obtained gun in the possession of a non-criminal/non-mentally disturbed person, then what is the solution to the problem?

  •  Guns don't kill (0+ / 0-)

    fingers do. Let's ban fingers. Except for the middle one I need in order to communicate with these gun nuts.

    "Those who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music." -- George Carlin

    by sandyknauer on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:36:30 PM PDT

  •  Do ANY of these kids grow up to NOT ever want (0+ / 0-)

    to hold a gun again?

  •  There is a business opportunity here for (0+ / 0-)

    those willing to take on the mantle of the free market.

    Those "unattended" weapons obviously need some attending so that they don't "go off" and kill or injure an innocent bystander.

    A "We'll Watch Your Firearm" franchise may play a dual role in your community - providing a source of income for you, while helping to ensure the safety of your loved ones.

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:01:00 PM PDT

  •  You missed a couple (0+ / 0-)

    The victim was 17 or 18, so they are classifying him as a man, but he was still in highschool.

  •  The death and sorrow left by gun shot is (0+ / 0-)


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