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Peter Stefan, uncle of the Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev is having problems burying his nephew after Stefan's brother and Tamerlan's mom up and left him to take care of everything... So Stefan is trying to keep within the sanctity of Muslim tradition and bury the body.. But the short sighted bigots of the city of Cambridge, Massachusetts are saying boi,, they cough, sniff, apologize and think it's not "in the best interest" of the town for the body to be buried in their town...  

So, yeah, I'm not in Stefan's shoes but WOW i see a lot of arguments pro and con about this whole story.. First of all, the idiocy of ANY American Cemetery refusing to bury an American citizen who ended his life as a killer is, at best, an inconsistent policy inflamed by pure bigotry.... In the past we've had many bombers, mass murderers who have died and were buried unceremoniously on US soil.... Their bodies were not in question because their religion was not in question... Suddenly, folks think that because Tamerlan was Muslim, he is not worthy of being buried on American soil.. How dare they?

But I can also see by the press that Stefan is getting, he seems to be making a Grand opera of his search... I also think, what ever happened to the concepts of unmarked graves so the upscale, super rich, bigoted foo-froos of Cambridge, Mass won't get high on their dinner wine and go desecrate the cemetery and grave site?

With tongue imbedded in cheek, i recommend that he make up a death certificate and try and get the body buried in an unmarked grave...

Or, in half seriousness, I dare to suggest that Stefan accept that Tamerlan died not keeping within the peaceful Muslim tradition... (Yes, there IS a peaceful Muslim tradition.) If that inflames you, go tell FOX NEWS someone is daring to tell you the truth..Tamerlan;s death brought nothing to enhance the Muslims over Tam's perceived enemies... He was determined to kill men, women and children for NOTHING but his own twisted zealotry... So, I suggest, cremating the body (outside Muslim tradition) should be an option.

I would call the brother and wife and say, "Hey come back and take this body or I'm sending it to you in ashes."

I would stand behind a campaign of the ACLU to get the cemetery to accept the body... but the legal fee is enormous and, even if it were pro bono, how do you protect the plot inhabited bu the dead remains afterwards?

The answer is that you can't... i am glad I am not in the showed of Peter Stefan ... The angst must be overwhelming....

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  •  It's the ad hoc nature of the decision... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that I object to.  I'd be interested in a law, for whatever jurisdiction that wanted to pass it, that mandated cremation and disposal (not to relatives or other claimants--just disposal) in murder-suicide cases, which would cover 99% of murders where the killer ends up dead.  I don't know if it would be possible to frame a law that covers the other 1%, which is what we're looking at can't make a legal finding of guilt, after all, since the guy's dead.  (In murder-suicides at least you have the ME's verdict.)  

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:25:12 PM PDT

  •  They'll probably end up sending him back (0+ / 0-)

    to Russia.  Some people will go yay, we taught his dead body a lesson!  

    And then, in his hometown, his body's homecoming will get a big ticker tape parade with half the Caucasian population turning out, and we'll all go, what the fuck?

  •  Burial at sea? (0+ / 0-)

    I understand that it's probably not the traditional Muslim burial but was he actually a traditional Muslim?

    There have been other famous American killers, such as Ted Bundy who became a born-again Christian while in prison in Florida if I remember, and he was cremated and I think his ashes were spread over the Cascades.

  •  Wrong Names (7+ / 0-)

    Stefan is the funeral director and is not related to Tsarnaev.  Ruslan Tsarni is the uncle.

  •  Bury the man! (6+ / 0-)

    As  Pierce says:

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev is dead. ... No matter how much fealty you pledge on camera to The Victims or Their Families, he's not going to be any deader. Let his family bury him. Let them bury him wherever they want.

    This kerfuffle is absolutely distasteful and disgraceful.

    It's *Gandhi*, not Ghandi

    by poco on Mon May 06, 2013 at 06:24:50 PM PDT

  •  Nobody is More Superstitious About Death Than (3+ / 0-)
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    American rightwing Christians.

    Because of this, if he's buried anywhere here, sooner or later somebody is going to rob the grave or blow it up or whatever.

    Strictly for business reasons I wouldn't want him buried in a graveyard I owned.

    Although as a compassionate person, if the next of kin were willing to have him buried anonymously, I'd consider risking it.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon May 06, 2013 at 06:37:32 PM PDT

  •  having recently dealt with two burials in 18 month (5+ / 0-)

    the last thing a family needs is a hassle from the cemetery.  At least here, grave plots are purchased, not as real estate but as a limited use easement, specifically for the purpose of burial.  For example, I could not site a McD's on a cemetery's sites.  While the cemetery retains the actual real estate, I purchase an absolute right to be interred in the spot designated in the contract.

    From time to time, some folks object to being buried close to various notorious souls and try by different methods to keep the burial from happening.  However, at least in this state, "public" cemeteries are required to abide by the terms of the agreement signed when the plot was purchased.

    For those who argue the bomber has no right to expect a traditional Muslim funeral because his last actions were so far removed from the tenets of his faith.  However, contract law does not require a person adhere to a certain set of beliefs in order to be buried.  Somehow it seems to me to deny a person a burial within the context of his faith diminishes all of us, as we strive to prove that we are better people than those who commit these outrages.  Their outrages are born out of their rage and frustration so we need to be sure our own reactions do not share the same impetus  

  •  Don't the people of Massachusetts have a (2+ / 0-)
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    good reason for not wanting the body there? Imagine going to the cemetery to visit a loved one, only to constantly be reminded of the horror of the bombings because this man is buried nearby. Why should they have to put up with that? And imagine the possibility of the grave being defiled on a regular basis. I think they have every right to not want to deal with this. Send the body somewhere where it won't evoke such awful memories. I don't like graveyards, but for those who need them, they should be a place of peace.

    "The Democrats are the lesser evil and that has to count for something. Good and evil aren't binary states. All of us are both good and evil. Being less evil is the trajectory of morality." --SC

    by tb92 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:23:24 PM PDT

    •  Bury him next to OBL (0+ / 0-)

      That's the burial he deserves.  It has nothing to do with anti Muslim, only to do with him murdering Americans and maiming many others with bombs.

      Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

      by Rosalie907 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 08:14:37 PM PDT

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  •  Not (0+ / 0-)

    an American citizen.  This is what most people are objecting to.  A person who hates America so much, they feel, shouldn't be interned in our soil.  I see the point.  My initial reaction was to cremate.  I read, though, Muslims don't like that.  I'm not sure what the remedy is.  Cemeteries are generally private businesses.  It can have negative implications for families with loved ones there already or plot values for those looking to purchase.  Maybe there are federal grounds that could be appropriate for a burial in an unmarked grave?

  •  I find the whole thing stupid (3+ / 0-)
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    Want to go to Lee Harvey Oswald's grave? You can.

    I'm sure you can find graves of all sorts of assholes.

    He is dead. Bury him in some obscure spot. Where he belongs.

    But bury him.

    He may have been a young stupid ass, but he was a human.

    •  You should read up on (0+ / 0-)

      John Wilkes Booth's burial.

      Secretary of War Stanton was deeply concerned that Booth's grave site might be a rallying place for the dying Confederacy, or that Booth's body might be stolen by those who wanted to prove a conspiratorial theory.

      So Stanton had Booth's body buried in a hidden location of a federal penitentiary.  It was moved again to another hidden location.

      Once it was clear the war was over, the body was released to Booth's highly respected Northern brother, Edwin to be buried in their family plot in an unnamed grave.

      As for Lee Harvey Oswald, his marker has only his surname, no dates, no nothing. It's hardly something something that attracts attention. In the era of 24/7 media, including social media, it's hard to get away with anything like that anymore

      I agree his remains should be dealt with in a humane dignified way. But I think his family may be asking a lot requesting a Muslim burial in the community where he committed his crimes.   I think they need to adjust their expectations. Cremation with a nice service scattering the ashes at sea or in the wilderness is probably a good idea.

      If Tamerlan really wanted a Mulsim burial, he should have thought about that before he started down this path.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:47:42 PM PDT

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    •  John Wilkes Booth is buried in a large (0+ / 0-)

      family plot in Greenmount Cemetery in Baltimore.  There is a large monument for the Booth family with a bunch of smaller stones with names or initials.  There is one plain unmarked stone.  Everyone knows who is there.  It's also the stone that everyone puts pennies on.

      “It is the job of the artist to think outside the boundaries of permissible thought and dare say things that no one else will say."—Howard Zinn

      by musiclady on Tue May 07, 2013 at 05:13:41 AM PDT

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  •  I'm going to hell, but I can't stop myself: (0+ / 0-)

    Bury the man today.
    Trouble though he may be
    Much as he likes to say
    Chechnya must be free
    Bury the man today
    Rather than sigh in sorrow
    Bury the man today
    And try his bro tomorrow.
    Bury the man today.
    Bury the man today
    Maybe he's leaving town
    Don't let him get away
    Hurry and track him down
    Counterattack him and
    Bury the man today
    Give him a pine wood coffin
    Give him your hand today
    And save the fist for after.
    Slowly introduce him to the better things
    Respectable, conservative, and clean
    American Taliban
    No new taxes
    Teddy Nugent
    But bury the man today
    Handle it meek and gently
    Bury the man today and flog him subsequently
    Carefully expose him to domestic life
    And if he ever tries to stray from you
    Have a tea party
    Have a Gitmo
    Have an anchor baby
    have two!
    But Bury the Man today
    Rather than sigh in sorrow
    Bury the man today
    And try his bro - try his bro - his bro


    There is no higher achievement in life than to make a child laugh.

    by Fiddler On A Hot Tin Roof on Tue May 07, 2013 at 01:07:24 AM PDT

  •  He's not a citizen. Having said that, (1+ / 0-)
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    I think the uncle should not have picked up the body until arrangements were made. Eventually the city would have buried him in a paupers grave if he was not picked up.

    Further, affiant sayeth not.

    by Gary Norton on Tue May 07, 2013 at 07:05:54 AM PDT

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