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When I first heard that the GOP had passed a bill which replaced overtime pay with comp time I thought the main thrust of the plan was to force all hourly workers to become sub-40 hour temp workers, thus throwing a nasty wrench into the American Health Care Act, which requires its recipients to work at least a 40-hour week. That would have been a brilliant plan. Completely evil, but brilliant.

But, no, this was just another case of the GOP saying to itself, "What way could we possibly screw over the middle class again? Oh, yeah! Take away their overtime pay and promise them OH GOD THIS IS RICH promise them comp time I CANT STOP LAUGHING comp time that they could use whenever HAH! whenever they wanted! I CAN'T BREATHE! I CAN'T BREATHE! OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD!"

To be clear, the promised comp time was not guaranteed by the bill, which means this was like free money for private-sector businesses.

Fortunately the bill, which passed along party lines, is doomed to failure in the Senate. It was seemingly just more red meat for the conservative base while the GOP sits on its collective hands waiting for the economy to falter as they await the 2014 mid-terms.

Originally posted to thefarleftside on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:17 AM PDT.

Also republished by In Support of Labor and Unions.

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  •  Unless they work for a municipality (7+ / 0-)

    or small owner I have not heard of anyone getting 40 hours a week for decades.

    Why don't the Republicans just nuke the country and get it over with? It might save lives.

    •  I worked for a municipality (Chicago)... (4+ / 0-)

      ...and had a 35-hour work week. Any overtime, for the first 5 hours, was straight time and only  comp time. Any OT above 40 uours was time and a half, but we could opt for comp time, and it had to be comp time if no funds had been approved for OT. And it was guaranteed.

      My boss never assigned it, though. He didn't want us taking the time off.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:35:11 AM PDT

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      •  I still don't understand how comp time works (5+ / 0-)

        Do you instead of getting paid get the time off?

         How is that fair didn't you work those hours for pay?

        Time off will not pay the bills.

        •  Means if you need Friday morning to go the doctor (10+ / 0-)

          with your elderly mother you can take the time off and still get paid because of your overtime hours..

          BUT anyone who thinks it will work like this is nuts.
          You need permission and you need to give notice far ahead and then the boss can still say no, so even if grandma plans ahead to be ill, no guarantee

        •  If you worked the extra hours... (4+ / 0-)

          ...in my case, you had to use the time off within 90 days, or the City had to pay you the money. Other people may have to deal with different rules. Oh, and managers and commissioners didn't get any OT, but were considered on-call 24-7.

          One guy I knew accrued comp time, dealing with his job, on a regular basis. He'd take the time off, and his work would pile up, and then he would come back to work, and accrue more comp time clearing up the backlog! The City promoted him to a managerial title, and the comp time went away. I think he took early retirement when he became elible.

          And yes, it would be more fair that you were paid for that time, but I wasn't in charge, so...

          Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

          by JeffW on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:55:18 AM PDT

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        •  It's not fair. (5+ / 0-)

          I think it's a practice that arose among salaried, not hourly, workers. We do it in IT all the time, and it's done because we don't get paid by the hour so we never get paid extra no matter how long we work. It's an informal way for our boss to give us something if we stay all night to do some project that cannot be done during business hours. That makes sense, but it's a horrible idea for anyone paid by the hour. Of course workers should have more flexibility to respond to family needs, but that is a separate issue. People are working because they need the money!

          •  Well, the only City agencies who rountinely... (2+ / 0-)

            ...budget for OT ar the Police Department and the Fire Department, and the CPD has blown through their overtime pay budget by 2/3rds already, thanks to Rahmbo's new "initiatives".

            OTOH, I worked for a small, family-owned engineering and surveying firm (in business since 1898!), where I worked 8-1/2 hour days, 5 days a week. They used to have 8-hour days, with 4 hours on Saturday morning, but the daughters-in-law complained. This came to a head when they hired a field man who they expected to work additional hours at night, after closing for the day, cleaning up the office (they conveniently didn't mention this when he interviewed for the job, BTW). He balked, they fired him, and he complained to the Feds. They issued checks to cover the imposed OT, which came in handy since I had left the firm, and had been fired W/O cause from the next consulting firm I had left them for. They are still in business.

            I also worked uncompensated OT for the last consulting firm I hired on with. They didn't think I was working out, and they didn't even consider all my long hours when terminating me. After 11 month of UI, I started with the City, and 2 years later, this firm folded.

            The other City agencies only paid for OT if there was project funding that covered it, usually Federal, but the comp time limit on the first five hours was always a problem. You could never accrue an even 7 hours, so it wasn't always welcome by the workers, and like I said, my old supervisor wanted his people available. Now there's more work, and fewer engineers/technicians, and no amount of OT will catch them up!

            Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

            by JeffW on Mon May 13, 2013 at 11:22:18 AM PDT

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    •  I would lose days if I hit (2+ / 0-)
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      one single minute over 40 hours.

      I've been working two jobs for three and a half years now.

      I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

      by CFAmick on Mon May 13, 2013 at 11:19:23 AM PDT

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  •  Two or three jobs... (6+ / 0-)

    already there. And I have a pretty decent daytime job, but with them doing away with overtime and then not giving raises or bonuses for a few years, we got to the point where there was no grocery money for half the month. Ain't no way to live.

    “Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

    by minglewood on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:39:54 AM PDT

  •  If you think you can take time for a sick child (5+ / 0-)

    by racking up overtime hours, sorry, you have to give your employer ample notice of your time off request so not sure when Johnny will be sick? too bad.

    This is such bullshit.

  •  We approach social unrest with things like this (3+ / 0-)
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    added to gross income disparity between the elite rich and our common American workers.  Income disparity stands at 380-1, used to be not long ago 40-1.  There seems to be no limit to the greed of the elite banksters, financiers, and Wall Street while many Americans suffer with poor or no jobs, no health care and the grinding poverty this produces.  Trouble on the horizon.  When, not if.

  •  Cheerfully oblvious cluelessness (2+ / 0-)
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    I am not going to give them credit for deliberately doing this to be evil, or to help the big employers. It's pure ignorance from living in their bubble. Sounds like a great idea to them because they don't need the extra pay, would themselves welcome more time off, and "feel" for those who don't have any work schedule flexibility at all. And here's a nice family friendly, woman friendly, thing they can do that doesn't cost the employer anything.

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    by Catte Nappe on Mon May 13, 2013 at 12:27:08 PM PDT

  •  I've had mixed experiences (4+ / 0-)

    One of my early jobs had a comp time policy, and it worked painfully well for us.

    The details of one that worked well were not normal:

    Above the 80 hour accrual cap, comp time had to be paid off.  (At straight time, but we didn't care much).

    Comp time could be taken retrospectively: you could call in and say "not coming in today" and just bill it as comp time.

    Comp time had to be purchased back if an employee left the company - like vacation, it was a real debt on the companies books>

    These policies were put in place to curb what had become abusive overtime - overtime usually shared by the lowest level of management; they worked right alongside us.  It didn't take long before a fair percentage of the staff (about a third) had hit the accrual cap and the pain became financial.  Project management practices improved a great deal, and there was some hiring.

    This has given me a skewed view of comp time; my experience was generally positive - on the other hand, it came in as a replacement for extreme uncompensated overtime, not as a replacement for overtime pay.

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