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I hated it when Attorney General Holder was held in contempt by a contemptuous congressional majority.

I do not like that Mr Holder must now resign. He is personable, principled and diligent unlike Gonzalez or Ashcroft. He has restored the morale and the reputation of the Justice department. That is, it seemed Justice was getting its "rep" back, before the Associated Press was placed under subpoena.

But resign Mr Holder must.

The Justice department of the United States government does not spy on the press. When all the legalese is broken through that is what was and is going on here. It needs to stop NOW with Mr Holder's departure.

The national security of the United States is best served by whistle blowers talking to a free press. That's how real scandals are uncovered and the real national security of this nation preserved. Did we not learn this 40 years ago in Watergate from Woodward, Bernstein & Deep Throat? Did we not learn it with the revelations of FBI "black bag job" burglaries and the Cointelpro infiltration of citizen groups who's only subversion was to attempt to exercise first amendment rights?

The Obama administration's national security "leak" investigations have a point. Their point is not to find anybody breaking the law with the intent of harming the United States or her citizens. Their point is to scare everybody who knows of governmental law breaking    and malfeasance into absolute silence.

So Mr Holder you, regretfully, must go. And President Obama must you not come to understand that men such as Thomas Drake and William Binney among others are patriots?

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  •  Please, quit crying. Instead of attacking Holder, (18+ / 0-)

    Focus your fire on the Rethugs who are hell bent on destroying the Obama presidency.

    All these progressives calling for Holder's head are truly pissing me off.

    •  If I recall the GOTP were raising holy hell (9+ / 0-)

      about the leaks that were, they charged, hurting our national security?  They demanded swift action and an investigation of these leaks.  That should be pointed out.

      "Republicans are the party that says that government doesn't work, then they get elected and prove it."-- PJ O'Rourke

      by nocynicism on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:05:18 PM PDT

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    •  x10 to the 6th power. /nt (6+ / 0-)

      "I don't love writing, but I love having written" ~ Dorothy Parker // Visit my Handmade Gallery on Zibbet

      by jan4insight on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:09:07 PM PDT

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    •  Thats a real shame that you are pissed off (4+ / 0-)

      But its silly to be pissed off at those who are fighting to keep governmental power in check.  Your beloved Obama won't be the President forever, but the power he grabs will live on.  This diary is one that says some nice things about the AG, things I doubt that he really deserves, and all you can do is complain that you are pissed off.....you should be pissed off at Holder and those that failed to right the ship that Bushco left sinking.

      . On ne gagne que les combats que l'on mène

      by NearlyNormal on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:10:18 PM PDT

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      •  Yes the beloved noble losers fighting to save us. (1+ / 0-)
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        doroma

        Spare us your narcissistic fantasies we can fight for ourselves. You folks continue to lose but pretend it is the fault of everyone but yourselves.

        Btw, I thought it was the wingnuts who was supposedly fighting to save us from the government and who hated that awful Barack Obama?

        The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

        by sebastianguy99 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:30:30 PM PDT

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        •  Heh, you really are spun out there. (0+ / 0-)

          In your second paragraph you say, "I thought", I'll bet thats never been the case.

          . On ne gagne que les combats que l'on mène

          by NearlyNormal on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:52:54 PM PDT

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          •  Gee, an insult. I'm shocked. n/t (0+ / 0-)

            The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

            by sebastianguy99 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 05:36:38 PM PDT

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            •  Really, they guy who spits out "noble loser" (0+ / 0-)

              and "narcissistic" is whining about insults???  Goes to prove my original point, doesn't it.  If you don't like insults don't toss them out.

              . On ne gagne que les combats que l'on mène

              by NearlyNormal on Wed May 15, 2013 at 08:14:24 PM PDT

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              •  I'm not whining,pointing out that it is typical. (0+ / 0-)

                If you can't handle criticism, that is on you. You've had two opportunities to make an argument as to why my assessment was incorrect.

                First time, an insult. Second time, some desperate vision of me cowed and whining.

                As I said before, lots of wrong and wasting of opportunity.

                Since you obviously possess an ego that demands you have the last word, I'll do you a favor and promise not to respond any longer so go and continue to indulge that vision of yours. Hope it makes you feel good and strong in your effort to save us all.

                The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

                by sebastianguy99 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 08:59:39 PM PDT

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    •  Addition by subtraction (0+ / 0-)

       Frankly, this is a good excuse to do what should have been done long ago, given how Holder has stood to the side and allowed banksters to continue to run roughshod. That, and deciding going after pot growers was more important than the banksters.

         And to bail on responsibility for this egregious violation of civil liberties goes into "unfit for office" territory. Get him out, and put in a real AG who'll lay the lumber on the lawbreakers in DC and Wall Street, and protect civil liberties.

        And if the GOPs try to filibuster, destroy them on it.

      •  What planet are you on? (0+ / 0-)
        Get him out, and put in a real AG who'll lay the lumber on the lawbreakers in DC and Wall Street, and protect civil liberties.

          And if the GOPs try to filibuster, destroy them on it.

        The Daily Kos Circular Firing Squad has lost it's fucking mind.  

        Now it isn't just hyperbole.  It's leaps of logic.  

        What you just said?  Isn't going to happen.  And you'd know that if you were being intellectually honest with yourself.

        "Americans are 'on our knees in front of China for credit,' DeMint told the mostly conservative attendees feasting on fried rice and fortune cookies at Tony Chang's restaurant in the Chinatown section of D.C."

        by littlenomad on Wed May 15, 2013 at 07:46:40 PM PDT

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  •  good lord. What law has he broken that he (13+ / 0-)

    "has to go". Mr. Holder isn't perfect. Show me a perfect AG since....like .....never??

  •  Obama must place a guinea pig on his head... (12+ / 0-)

    ...I do not like that the situation demands that he put a small, South American rodent atop his cranium. Obama's head looks perfectly fine as it is, and he's done a fine job as president without one. But sport a cavy atop his noggin' he must.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:09:23 PM PDT

  •  I haven't liked a lot of this admistartion's (5+ / 0-)

    policies regarding whistle blowers and leakers, their coddling of Wall st., their attempts to whitewash the BP oil spill, their refusal to accept that the war on marijuana has done more harm than good or looking forward instead of addressing the crimes of the Bush administration.

    And I think what the DOJ did was unconscionable but Holder recused himself. Hard to lay this at his feet.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:10:00 PM PDT

    •  I don't see how spellchecker missed admistartion's (1+ / 0-)
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      doroma

      I have it configured to all fields. My fault though for relying on it.

      "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

      by sceptical observer on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:20:02 PM PDT

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    •  Unconscionable? (1+ / 0-)
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      FG

      The DoJ subpoenaed phone records from the AP to try and find who leaked the information to the AP.

      U.S. law allows the government to engage in this type of surveillance—on media organizations or anyone else—without meaningful judicial oversight.
      The key here is a legal principle known as the “third party doctrine,” which says that users don’t have Fourth Amendment rights protecting information they voluntarily turn over to someone else. Courts have said that when you dial a phone number, you are voluntarily providing information to your phone company, which is then free to share it with the government.
      Journalists get a bit of a special deal here. The government has established special policies to guard against inappropriate surveillance of reporters. Before an FBI agent can seek a journalist’s call records, they must get special approval from the attorney general. But that’s merely a Justice Department policy, not a constitutional requirement. The policy could be changed in the future, and the lack of independent oversight makes abuses more likely.
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:40:22 PM PDT

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      •  Key words here: (1+ / 0-)
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        a journalist’s call records
        not an entire newsroom's and all of their sources, including those unrelated to the matter at hand. Those who get their records scooped for no other reason than proximity should be allowed to sue for damages, to both their livelihoods and reputations.

        "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

        by sceptical observer on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:47:16 PM PDT

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        •  Sure, let them sue. The subpoena was very broad, (0+ / 0-)

          in all likelihood unnecessarily so. But what does it have to do with Holder?

          •  From the parent comment: (1+ / 0-)
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            FG
            And I think what the DOJ did was unconscionable but Holder recused himself. Hard to lay this at his feet.

            "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

            by sceptical observer on Wed May 15, 2013 at 05:12:04 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't see where (1+ / 0-)
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          sceptical observer

          anyone gave up sources- they subpoenaed phone records of about a dozen people that worked for the AP.
          I agree with this article from the Prospect, however:

          Based on what we know, it's hard to argue with Pruitt's characterization of the subpoena as unjustified and overbroad. The remarkable scope of the order—taking the records of nearly two dozen phone lines for an extended period of time —requires a particularly compelling justification, given the free speech implications. Any investigation that involves examining the communications of journalists should only request records that are clearly necessary to a very important investigation.

          The justification in this case, however—seeking information about a leak that (correctly) gave the CIA credit for foiling the so-called "underwear bombing" in 2009—seems rather trivial. Absent further information, it seems to me that the seizure of phone records was an unwise abuse of discretion on the part of the Department of Justice, even if it was legally authorized. As the AP's response points out, the DOJ did not take "any steps to narrow the scope of its subpoenas to matters actually relevant to an ongoing investigation." The inappropriately broad scope of the subpoena is inconsistent with the Department's own procedures.

          The seizure of the phone records may not violate the First Amendment as currently understood by the Supreme Court, but it is nonetheless very disturbing as a matter of policy. And it's particularly worrisome that an administration that has sometimes been far too reluctant to prosecute torturers and lawbreakers in the financial industry continues to demonstrate a pattern of excessive aggression in pursuing people who leak information.

          http://prospect.org/...

          So they overstepped, but what they did was still legal.
          Holder is famous for overstepping. Look at him going after legal marijuana dispensaries in California for example.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Wed May 15, 2013 at 05:01:31 PM PDT

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          •  Phone records yield contacts. (1+ / 0-)
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            If someone for the Dept. of the Interior has been calling a reporter at home after hours, an enterprising agent might wonder why. Even though it wasn't relevant to their original purview and though it might not be admissible, as fruit of the poisoned tree, it might still be worthy of a follow-up.

            "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

            by sceptical observer on Wed May 15, 2013 at 05:09:52 PM PDT

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          •  "Based on what we know," we don't know enough. (1+ / 0-)
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            doroma

            Whether the subpoena was broader than it had to be is a judgement call that can only be answered by someone with knowledge of the relevant facts of the case.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Wed May 15, 2013 at 06:05:58 PM PDT

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    •  Mr Holder's recusal means nothing (0+ / 0-)

      Mr Holder is Attorney General. This matter is too serious & symbolic for legal waltzing. I don't want Mr Holder to go, but go he must.

  •  Susan Rice, Lisa Jackson,now Eric Holder, pattern? (7+ / 0-)

    I think we should dispense with the notion that there are not parts of the Left who are functionally different than wingnuts. People talk about Blue Dogs and Conservadems, but I don't see them joining the Republicans in calling for AG Holder to resign.

    The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

    by sebastianguy99 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:24:44 PM PDT

  •  The day when he stood up to Daryl Issa (10+ / 0-)

    is not a day for this diary.

    Keep the TVA public.

    by Paleo on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:27:43 PM PDT

  •  Bullshit. (10+ / 0-)

    Holder has done nothing wrong and does not need to resign or be fired.

    Now, kindly go back to picking your nose and watching Faux and leave political discussions to the adults in the room.

  •  I'm waiting for an "Obama Must Resign" diary. (4+ / 0-)

    C'mon progressives.

    I know one of you has it in you.

    Make my day.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:36:38 PM PDT

  •  Why do you want Holder out? (6+ / 0-)

    He was recused from the leak investigation and had nothing to do with the AP phone records. He's the last person who should be tossed on that issue.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:38:26 PM PDT

  •  You miss the obvious (2+ / 0-)
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    doroma, FiredUpInCA

    If he resigned, who in this world does Obama manage to get a reasonable new nominee confirmed in the madness of the current Senate?

    Please get back to us if you change your opinion base on this obvious issue.

  •  The Justice Department (6+ / 0-)

    issued legal subpoenas to get the phone records from the AP.
    They weren't "spying" on the press.
     photo picard-facepalm.jpg

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:43:43 PM PDT

  •  AP will be pleased that you accepted their version (4+ / 0-)

    hook, line and sinker.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Wed May 15, 2013 at 04:49:23 PM PDT

    •  Versions? (1+ / 0-)
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      Jake formerly of the LP

      What version? The DoJ got an overly broad secret subpoena for the records of AP reporters & AP phones. This is a direct blow to freedom of the press & government whistleblowers and hence to our REAL national security.

      •  You don't know it was overly broad. (3+ / 0-)
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        doroma, Bob Love, S F Hippie

        You can't make that assertion with any degree of credibility unless you have access to a whole lot of information about the investigation that you almost certainly have not seen.

        Whether the subpoena was overly broad is a judgement call that depends on the facts of the case. You're just taking the AP's word for it - that is, accepting their version.

        There's a legitimate issue here along the lines of "Who decides?" I don't like the Justice Department itself being the party that decides whether a Justice Department subpoena is overly broad. I want a judge with access to the relevant information to be making that call.

        But you're not that judge, and you don't have access to that information.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Wed May 15, 2013 at 06:02:33 PM PDT

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  •  Whistle blower? I guess by Karl Rove's definition. (5+ / 0-)

    Whoever leaked this information and blew up the operation in Yemen is about as much of a whistle blower as the people who leaked Valerie Plame's name.

    I hope Holder nails his ass to the same wall that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby should have had their asses nailed to.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Wed May 15, 2013 at 05:40:21 PM PDT

  •  Holder will not resign to please an over-heated (0+ / 0-)

    politcally correct liberal, progressive or what have you.  The GOP will use anything to sully or even get rid of Obama, let's all grow a bit and see political reality in America, 2013.  There was a serious breach of information and the government was within the law to demand an explanation.  Also, when you chose to disobey the law then get prepared for the consequence.  You may be vindicated but in the short run the consequence may bite.  

  •  I can list other reasons he should not be AG, but (0+ / 0-)

    this isn't one of them.

    They are not "SPYING" on anyone, and are investigating the actions of an ACTUAL TRAITOR. If the act is "spying" it is on the people calling the press, not the press.

    Further, it was never a SECRET. If you have a bone to pick it should be with the phone company, as their policy is to not inform the customer when a government agency subpoenas their records. Google on the other hand does inform the customer. The government is under no obligation to inform, in fact may not even be able to until they get the information to even know WHO to inform.

    It is a corporate record of the phone company, none of us have privacy rights that extend to the records of people we do business with... with the specific exception being medical records under HIPPA.

    Now, if you want to pass a law for all records, or just press related records, similar to HIPPA, do so. But as of now no such law exists and therefore the DoJ wasn't breaking any laws or invading any privacy in asking for the records.

    The phone company could have said NO, at which point DoJ would have walked into court and asked a Judge for a court ordered subpoena... as is what happens in regards to getting records from Google (for example) right now.

    When some copyright troll looks to go after a YouTube poster, they subpoena Google, Google tells them to go fuck themselves, and they then ask a Judge. Sometimes the Judge complies, some times not, depending on the specific facts.

    Now, if you want to dump Holder because the DoJ has chosen not to pursue criminal and civil suits against the thieving bankers over the $trillions stolen in the mortgage scandal.... I'm down with that, it is called incompetence and corruption.

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