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(Updated from earlier Daily Kos Diary - Correction: 1,100 workers are confirmed dead. Rescue workers estimate the death toll to be closer to 1,300).

Walmart, the third largest public corporation in the world, and 13 other North American retailers have refused to sign an agreement with other European retail chains that will improve safety and working conditions for factory workers overseas.  Last month, over a thousand factory workers died (1,100 confirmed dead - estimated 1,300), after a garment factory in Dhaka, Bangladesh, collapsed. Most were crushed beneath the tons of Rana Factory’s crashing concrete.

The agreement Walmart and others were asked to sign requires retailers pay $500,000 per year towards safety improvements over a five year period. "The Walmart heirs have that much lost in their sofa cushions each year," says Daily Kos member, The Grouch. Other North American retailers who have refused to sign include: The Foot Locker, Macy's, Sears, JcPenny's, North Place, The Gap, Kohl's, Nordstrom, Carters/Osh Kosh, North Place, Cato, The Children's Place, American Eagle and Target.

This is not the first time Walmart has refused to improve the well being of workers in factories. In 2011, Walmart rejected a proposal made by a group of Bangladeshi and international unions proposing safer garment factories.

At that time, Walmart’s representative said it was “not financially feasible" ...to make such investments.”(Not financially feasible?)

November 24, 2012 a fire in a Bangladesh clothing factory resulted in the death of 112 workers. There were no fire escapes or exists in the eight-story building, and many victims jumped to their deaths. After the fire, Walmart said it could not confirm that it had ever sourced apparel from the factory. Photos taken by Bangladeshi labor activists showed Walmart-branded clothing in the factory.

 Wikipedia lists massive amounts of offenses on its Criticism Of Walmart page (highly recommended to read), and in the Employee and Labor Relations paragraph on Walmart’s main Wikepedia page.

Some of the international companies that have signed the safety pac include: Benetton, H&M, Zara, Next, and PVH (Tommy Hilfiger and Calvin Klein). The deadline for signing the pac has passed.

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  •  ALWAYS the Lowest Labor Standards WalMart! (16+ / 0-)

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:32:21 AM PDT

  •  We need Walmart's customers to care (10+ / 0-)

    enough about this issue that they are willing to let Walmart know that they will pay the difference to get products made under better working conditions. Walmart is a very powerful company, but they are actually weak relative to the power of their customers. They cannot force their customers to accept higher prices, the impetus has to come from the public itself.

    •  Yes, that is certainly true but also. . . (12+ / 0-)

      It is true that their customers need to care, it is also true that their customers have far more power than the actual corporation but that is one tough hill to slog up. Even getting people educated as to what happened, never mind caring is depressingly difficult in this "The Voice" culture.

      But, the single most depressing angle to this story is just how cruel and heartless this shows Wal-Mart is. $500,000 is quite literally, nothing - not even a rounding error. It is the amount that would be, what? 10% of ONE of the top execs bonus - spread out over all the executives, it wouldn't rise to even 1% but they simply do. not. care.

      Corporate culture is changing. It has gone from relatively indifference to true evil. When a group of people cannot give up less than 1% - much less, probably - in order to prevent thousands of deaths, that shows a deep seeded contempt for life, a level of greed that rivals some of history's greatest monsters.

      Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

      by 4CasandChlo on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:32:16 AM PDT

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      •  The government in Bangladesh is already (4+ / 0-)
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        making fixes to the laws there, and so as usual with these kinds of tragedies (such as the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire) there is good that comes out of it. I think that these large American retailers are taking careful temperature of their customers to determine if they want to pay a few dollars more for better working conditions in the Third World. And I think that so far in general the consumers are saying no. That is why Walmart, Target, Sears, Penny's, etc. are saying no. Basically everyone is saying no (for now).

        •  I am in total agreement with you. . . (2+ / 0-)
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          I am only addressing the $500,000 figure mentioned above which is not even close to enough to make  WalMarts corporate profits suffer.

          WalMart is one of the most profitable corporate "gangs" in the world, in reality, they don't even need to pass on any cost adding up to that amount. The very fact that they need to take their customer's temperature for this piddly amount is just soooo evil. I agree that is what they are doing.

          And again, for real reforms, those that are international and more proactive, there definitely needs to be an educational process for its customers. We need them to be aware, to take interest in it, to make it HURT their profit by a boycott. I am more certainly in agreement and support fully the idea you offered.

          I was just, well, so f'king angry to hear THAT level of indiffierence by the executives to that specific amount.

          Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

          by 4CasandChlo on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:52:02 AM PDT

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          •  Well, they are rich indeed. (3+ / 0-)
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            But that wealth comes from making a teeny tiny amount on an enormous volume of goods. They cannot sell imports from Southeast Asia at a $2 or $3 loss. They work to make a few cents on everything they sell, net.

            •  I understand that (2+ / 0-)
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              I am not so dim as to not appreciate that their profits come from volume and they can't profit from a loss. I also get that real reform, reform costing far more than $500,000, to prevent such abhorrent conditions would require passing the cost on to customers. I am also not so dim that they would not pass on that cost to customers, for which the customers would need to care enough to agree to pay (although on most goods it is probably far less than a dollar) and that would require getting their customers to care.

              I get that, please don't twist what I said to make me sound like a complete idiot (enormous volume/not a loss/increased cost).

              I will try this one last time, they were asked to make a one time pledge of $500,000, a truly meaningless amount for Walmart.  It could actually come out of their advertising budget to "show they care" and could easily be covered by the profits from perhaps one day.

              It is not paying that one time cost out of already made enormous profit that I found revolting, I agreed with everything else you said.

              Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

              by 4CasandChlo on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:27:59 AM PDT

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              •  It an annual amount, not one time, but still (0+ / 0-)

                easily affordable by WalMart.  As you say, it could come out of their advertising budget and probably be a net gain in public opinion relative to other types of advertising.

        •  Do NOT dump this on "consumers" (5+ / 0-)
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          That horse has been beaten to death.

          "We gave you what you wanted..." is NOT the truth. It's an attempt at rationalization of failed distorted theories.

          These results come from self-centered dweebuses on their bizness school ratwheel and the self-reinforcing model that's been built on twigs and sticks.


          A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

          by bronte17 on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:18:04 AM PDT

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          •  Your argument is unclear. (0+ / 0-)
            •  The argument is that it is the customers fault: (3+ / 0-)
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              That customers would only shop there b/c they have "rock bottom prices" and if it were raised ever so slightly they would go elsewhere.

              It IS bullshit. Their prices are sure as hell not "rock bottom" or they would not be the most profitable company going - they ARE the lowest, sort of, but not rock bottom, there is a ton of "profit" built in and over their volume it adds up to billions. Since it adds up to billions, a few million here and there is an amount any person with any ethical sense would pay - - even if it cost their exec's a thousand off a bonus of $250,000 a year.

              Yes, it would decrease profits - SOME. But by so little it is demonstrative of contempt for humanity. Same as paying their employees a livable wage, it could EASILY come from their monstrous profts, they just choose to not do it, execs prefer their multi-million dollar bonuses every year, to a 6% less multi-million dollar bonus a year.

              It is sickening.

              Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

              by 4CasandChlo on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:38:05 AM PDT

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              •  It's not about some profitability here and (0+ / 0-)

                there. It is about an ethos of giving the consumer what the consumer wants. It is not Walmart et als job to tell Bangladeshis what their building codes or labor codes should be, or to tell their own customers what they should be willing to pay extra for. That is not their role. This is a problem, but the problem needs to be solved by the right people. And for all the sorrow here over working conditions in the Third World, there is not a whole lot of recognition of what these peoples' lives would be like if they did NOT have these shitty jobs. I've seen it myself, I've seen the slums and the effect of desperate poverty. And in my book, these jobs, despite their negatives, are a godsend to these people.

                •  I give up. (4+ / 0-)

                  The Walton siblings net worth is 96 Billion dollars - which reflects the amounts that company is making over the years.

                  The day that I see the Waltons (and the execs) agree to a 10% decrease in future profits or past (whatever) and the Walton fortune somehow plummets to 86 Billion b/c they decided to ensure factories didn't implode and their workers could make a semi-decent wage only THEN will I start looking at whether they have done "enough" that I don't see them as evil incarnate.

                  "These people should be thankful for their jobs" - Well, yeah, as individuals, big picture - Walmart needs SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE to make the shit they make their billions of off and they went to the place they could pay the absolute lowest cost conceivable and put them in places they can die, cheaply.

                  I so totally give up. If you want to blame the customers  and corrupt foreign governments- SOLELY - fine, nothing I can say will make you think otherwise.

                  Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

                  by 4CasandChlo on Sat May 18, 2013 at 11:10:18 AM PDT

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                  •  I'm going to jump in this frying pan... (1+ / 0-)
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                    A lot of Walmart customers have very little choice on where to shop.  Yes they can be ignorant, mis-informed lot, but many are just poor.  For a lot of them a NEW shirt/jeans/shoes are a major purchase.  Goodwill/Salvation Army/etc. is where they shop for clothes.  Also they have no where else to shop as the mom/pop stores closed down when the big SuperWalmart rolled into town.  

                    I for one am disappointed in Target for not signing.  As for Walmart, I thought they wouldn't do anything to upset the profit line.. Even if they have to raise the price of a shirt by a penny each to cover the cost of improving labor standards overseas.

                    In truth, when I was unemployed, living off donations, family help, etc. Walmart was the only place we could afford clothing/food/etc. Yes most of the stuff I got died not too long after we arrived here in the Seattle area.  Only our IKEA stuff has lasted longer (I have a bedroom suites , kitchen table, chairs, pots/pans, etc. that I got back in '96 that are still going/in use.).

                    "Death is the winner in any war." - Nightwish/Imaginareum/Song of myself.

                    by doingbusinessas on Sat May 18, 2013 at 12:42:22 PM PDT

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  •  Who are the other major retailers? (12+ / 0-)

    They deserve as much criticism and attention as Walmart.

    You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia".

    by yellowdog on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:55:21 AM PDT

    •  Target, for one. Which sucks: I shop there. (7+ / 0-)

      "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

      by Inland on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:08:48 AM PDT

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    •  Kind of an odd omission. Here they are: (11+ / 0-)

      Walmart
      Gap
      JCPenneys
      Sears
      The North Face
      Nordstrom
      Foot Locker
      The Children's Place
      Macy's
      Target
      Kohl's
      Osh Kosh
      American Eagle Outfitters

      •  Apologies - The other retail chains were listed in (6+ / 0-)

        one of the links. I've now added the names into the diary.

        "In this world, hate has never yet dispelled hate. Only love can dispel hate." ~ Buddha

        by Leslie Salzillo on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:48:34 AM PDT

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        •  I wondered if the "North Place" (0+ / 0-)

          listed twice in your update, was actually North Face. I see it is.

          Basically, this means I can't shop locally. All of the anchor stores and a few of the smaller ones listed are the only stores, besides Lane Bryant, that I can shop at in the only mall that will keep some of my sales tax money local. Our state has no income tax and my county needs those sales tax dollars. Then there's Nordstrom, which has done a great deal over the years to benefit the Pacfic Northwest. If I need something nice that will fit me and make my fat body look good, that's where I go. A woman my size doesn't have a heck of a lot of choices for something attractive. I've found a couple of those choices, but the first time I wore something I thought nice from one, to the Governor's reception, I was asked sneeringly if I got it where I did get it, and the second time, with a different dress, five different people asked me with a bit of contempt if it was home-made.

          What do I do? Stay home? Endure the belittlement and the snickers behind my back? Or shop at prohibited stores?

          Organ donors save lives! A donor's kidney gave me my life back on 02/18/11; he lives on in me. Please talk with your family about your wish to donate.

          Why are war casualty counts "American troops" and "others" but never "human beings"?

          by Kitsap River on Sat May 18, 2013 at 12:37:48 PM PDT

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          •  I hold my nose, buy what I need, and push change (0+ / 0-)

            Many folk who either don't live in retail-choice-blessed areas or must make do on little income have to make similar choices. When I have to get something, and my only options involve retailers I would really prefer not to support, I hold my nose, get what I need at either the lowest price or the least ethical trauma, and then make sure to work extra hard on the relevant issue to atone.

            And may I say that anyone who would comment even by innuendo or expression on the perceived quality or source of another person's clothing at a major event is undeserving even of contempt. I trust the cold look you gave the cretins left them frostbitten.

            "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

            by pragmaticidealist on Sat May 18, 2013 at 07:59:20 PM PDT

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  •  Macys?? (9+ / 0-)

    Oh man that sucks.  I don't have one of their cards but I do shop there when I want clothes or one of the last chinaware made in USA - Fiesta ware.  

    I'll email them a note saying how disgusted I am that they are in line with Wal Mart.  

    You can barely shop anywhere in the America without stepping on someone's rights.  Aren't we supposed to be better than that?  ...  I know, I know...

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:11:28 AM PDT

  •  I missed your diary on this (3+ / 0-)
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    I just posted my own.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:28:15 AM PDT

  •  The bloody results of free trade (4+ / 0-)
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    We have a huge problem in the Democratic Party - the refusal to see that free trade is not only a race to the bottom, but is actually a murderous policy. Free trade is the elites preferred policy because it allows corporatists to avoid the higher cost of operating under the stricter safety and environmental regulations of the advanced countries like USA, Japan, and in Europe. Free trade only enable the arbitrage of regulatory regimes.

    Even Robert Reich has not backed off his support for free trade, so far as I know. And President Obama is pushing the latest iteration of free trade agreements.

    The disaster in Bangladesh show that the future we are creating is, and will be, soaked in misery, blood, and death.

    A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

    by NBBooks on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:32:33 AM PDT

    •  While the tragedies in Bangladesh are (0+ / 0-)

      horrific, it is a stretch to say that the tragedies mean that free trade overall has been bad for Bangladeshis. In fact, the standard of living has skyrocketed there over the past 20 years, and tens of millions of people in Southeast Asia have been lifted out of extreme poverty. The government there is already revising zoning and other laws, and working conditions and wages will continue to improve as they always do in these situations (in China, wages have risen so much that now Mexico and the US are competitive once again with Chinese labor).

      •  Sorry, but we should not allow any (1+ / 0-)
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        moral ambiguity about these policies any longer. I was protesting in front of World Bank / IMF meetings 25 years ago, and all the carnage, suffering, and death my fellow protestors and I warned about have come to pass. You have to be absolutely, rigidly clear eyed about what the future effects of policy are going to be, and I am certain, to the depth of my being, that there will be many, many more needless deaths and suffering until we discard our soft-headed acceptance of the status quo.

        Ian Welsh's father worked in Bangladesh for many, many years, and Ian says he himself has visited many times. Here is what he writes:

        I find it interesting that there is so much textile manufacture in Bangladesh. There was none to speak of in the 80s.  Let me put it crudely, Bangladesh is way down the chain, there are very few poorer, more corrupt countries in the world outside of Africa.  The textile industry is running out of cheap places to make clothes if they’re in Bangladesh.

        The second is this: Bangladesh’s government will never enforce safety regulations in the textile industry. It is impossible, it will not happen.  Nothing happens, nothing gets done in Bangladesh without baksheesh—bribes.  Bribes are the actual salary of government employees, they are not paid enough to live decently on without them.  Textile factories will be throwing off so much money, in Bangladeshi terms, that virtually anyone can be bought, and with so much money at stake, anyone who can’t be bought will be otherwise dealt with.

        Jon Larson of Real Economics once wrote about how he remembers, working as a teen in the 1970s, helping to construct a 3-bedorom home that was being bought by a guy who was a factory floor worker in a shoe factory. That was the USA in the 1970s. Factory floor workers were paid well enough to buy a 3-bedroom home AND send their kids to college. How many textile workers in Bangladesh are being paid enough to buy a 3-bedroom home, with floors that aren't dirt, and indoor plumbing? I'm willing to bet the number is exactly zero.

        And don't start about everybody cannot aspire to an American lifestyle. That's racist, plain and simple. Were it not for the horribly skewed wealth and income disparities, and the burden of usury and speculation, the world economy is perfectly capable of providing everyone an American middle-class lifestyle. Resource depletion and climate change and other problems could easily be solved if so much damn money were not going to usury and speculation, but directed to these problems instead.

        And further note that now that the U.S. working class no longer has the standard of living it had in the 1970s, you herald that " Mexico and the US are competitive once again with Chinese labor." Going backwards is not anything to cheer about.

        Millions may heve been lifted out of "extreme poverty." They make two dollars a day now instead of one single measly dollar. Frankly, I think it is next to criminal that someone would accept this palliative compared to what needs to be done and what can be done. And there are still hundreds of millions in "extreme poverty."

        A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

        by NBBooks on Sat May 18, 2013 at 12:00:46 PM PDT

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        •  Once transportation and communications (0+ / 0-)

          barriers came down, US labor had to compete with labor that was much cheaper. Nothing short of building a wall around nations could have stopped that. The result is an increase in jobs and wages in places like China and India and Bangladesh and a lowering of the standard of living in the US. This may be unfortunate for the Americans, but on our planet there was just no way that we were going to stay rich and the rest were going to stay poor forever. Yes it is true that not everyone in the Third World has been helped by globalization, but hundreds of millions have. And an extra dollar a day is worth a great deal to the poorest people in the world (though given that you are First World it is understandable that you'd be dismissive of it). By the way, manufacturing labor costs in China are now equal to the US. These things in the end balance out.

          •  Why is it so difficult to learn from history? (1+ / 0-)
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            Here is Henry C. Carey, foremost proponent of what used to be called the American System (of political economy) and one of the great economists of the mid-1800s, who has been written out of history by the free-trade, free market theorists who served then, and serve now, as apologists for grasping oligarchs.

            The Hindoo fiies from the valleys and plains to the hills, that he may escape from the system [of British free trade]. Arrived at the hills, he finds no demand for his labour but in
            the cultivation of his little piece of land. He works with poor machinery,  and his miserable product of fifty pounds of cotton to the acre is transported to Manchester, thence to be returned to him in the form of cloth, getting one pound for ten; and thus giving nine-tenths of his labour for the use of ships and wagons, perishable machinery, when one-fifth would have done the work at home, could he have had permanent machinery. He flies again, or he dies of famine and pestilence, or he sells himself as a slave, to go to Demerara ; and thus is the number of the exchanges of India, and from India, diminished.

            Men are everywhere flying from British commerce, which everywhere pursues them. Having exhausted the people of the lower lands of India, it follows them as they retreat towards ibe fastnesses of the Himalaya. Afighanistan
            is attempted, while Scinde and the Punjaub are subjugated. Siamese provinces are added to the empire of free trade, and war and desolation are carried into China, in order that the Chinese may be compelled to pay for the use of ships, instead of making looms. The Irishman flies to Canada ;
            but there the system follows him, and he feels himself insecure until within this Union. The Englishman and the Scotchman try Southern Africa, and thence they fly to the more distant New Holland, Van Diemen's Land, or New Zealand. The farther they fly, the more they must use ships and other perishable machinery, the less steadily can their efforts be applied, the less must be the power of production, and the fewer must be the equivalents
            to be exchanged, and yet in the growth of ships, caused by such circumstances, we are told to look for evidence of prosperous commerce.

            The British system is built upon cheap labour, by which is meant low priced and worthless labour. Its effect is to cause it to become from day to day more low priced and worthless, and thus to destroy production upon which commerce must be based. The object of protection is to produce dear labour, that is, high-priced and valuable labour, and ila effect is to cause it to increase in value from day to day, and to increase the equivalents to be exchanged, to the great increase of commerce.

            - Henry C. Carey, The Harmony of Interests, Agricultural, Manufacturing and Commercial, 1856.

            You are mistaking an exploitative policy of international trade based on cheap labor used to produce goods for consumption, not where they are produced, but in some far off land, and in which only a few privileged people become wealthy, with a policy of actual national economic development in which there is general and widespread affluence.

            If the warnings of a century and a half ago do not appeal to you, perhaps those more contemporaneous will? Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism, by Ha-Joon Chang, 2008.

            A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

            by NBBooks on Sat May 18, 2013 at 02:50:52 PM PDT

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            •  To the desperately poor, a job is a chance (0+ / 0-)

              for survival, or for taking that first step up the development ladder. Hard for a rich person to understand.

              •  Elites seek to make us believe globalization (0+ / 0-)
                The elites believe, and seek to make us believe, that globalization and unfettered capitalism are natural law, some kind of permanent and eternal dynamic that can never be altered. What the elites fail to realize is that rebellion will not stop until the corporate state is extinguished. It will not stop until there is an end to the corporate abuse of the poor, the working class, the elderly, the sick, children, those being slaughtered in our imperial wars and tortured in our black sites. It will not stop until foreclosures and bank repossessions stop. It will not stop until students no longer have to go into debt to be educated, and families no longer have to plunge into bankruptcy to pay medical bills. It will not stop until the corporate destruction of the ecosystem stops, and our relationships with each other and the planet are radically reconfigured. - Chris Hedges, Why the Elites Are in Trouble, Oct. 9, 2011.

                A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

                by NBBooks on Sun May 19, 2013 at 02:08:40 PM PDT

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  •  I just watched (7+ / 0-)

    The High Price of Walmart last night.
    It starts with showing a hardware store that had been in business for a long time.
    Then shows it shutting down and the owner trying to sell his store to someone else.
    Every time Walmart moves in to an area, dwelling properties go down in value since the City knows they will be closing.
    Brave New World put this vid out.
    Walmart costs the States over 1.3 billion in food aid, and welfare.
    Yet Walmart gets subsidies to build there.
    Since so many cities are having trouble with revenue, I don't know why they won't quit paying Walmart to move in.
    I know they are powerful with Lobbyist.
    I knew a person her worked with Sam Walton and she said he was a very kind and decent man and would be ashamed of what the heirs are doing.
    NNBook's comment is spot on.
    Something has to be done or the US only export will be blood and murder and guns.

    Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

    by snoopydawg on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:49:32 AM PDT

    •  Confirming this: (1+ / 0-)
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      I knew a person her worked with Sam Walton and she said he was a very kind and decent man and would be ashamed of what the heirs are doing.
      My dad worked with Sam Walton in 1929 at a Sterling (five-and-dime) store in eastern Arkansas. They were both stock boys and each ended up owning their own five-and-dime. My dad's store survived Wal-Mart #10 after Sam married gas money from Oklahoma.

      There's the rub, I think. Oddly, BigMoney can never have enough.

      When she began to contribute massively to the 500-student Presbyterian college I went to, she insisted it sell its historic name and adopt "University."

      Disgusting.

      "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

      by cotterperson on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:50:51 AM PDT

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  •  Waldemart (4+ / 0-)

    The store that shall not be named

  •  Thx. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson

    I've been looking for a convenient list of retailers to avoid like the plague ...

  •  So, which one ... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson, llywrch

    ... is the weakest.  Let's start the boycott there.

    •  (not that we shouldn't boycott 'em all) (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Glad to (0+ / 0-)

        if you can suggest a Seattle/Tacoma or, better yet, Kitsap County place where plus-sized women can shop for really nice clothes. And please don't suggest Lane Bryant. I buy my underwear and bras there, and have (and probably will) buy jeans there unless I can find fashionable ones made in the USA in my size (18-20), but Lane Bryant's other clothing is not all that good and I am picky. I do need nice clothing for Democratic Party and other functions.

        Organ donors save lives! A donor's kidney gave me my life back on 02/18/11; he lives on in me. Please talk with your family about your wish to donate.

        Why are war casualty counts "American troops" and "others" but never "human beings"?

        by Kitsap River on Sat May 18, 2013 at 12:47:02 PM PDT

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  •  Most of what Americans wear and (0+ / 0-)

    carry around with them was made in sweatshops. Sad but true.

    Welcome To The Disinformation Age!

    by kitebro on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:57:45 AM PDT

    •  At least in handbags I try to avoid that (0+ / 0-)

      but in clothing, it's often not possible (at least, for clothing my size). One online retailer I shop at will call out if something's made in the US or imported (though they nevet say from where). That's something that influences my choices, and they carry quite a good selection of clothes by indie designers that is US-made. Too bad you can't search the site by that, or filter by that.  A Canada-based flash sale site does say in what country everything was made; thst may be law in Canada. It makes them a good place to shop even if delivery takes quite a while (6-8 weeks, sometimes a lot more).

      Organ donors save lives! A donor's kidney gave me my life back on 02/18/11; he lives on in me. Please talk with your family about your wish to donate.

      Why are war casualty counts "American troops" and "others" but never "human beings"?

      by Kitsap River on Sat May 18, 2013 at 12:53:27 PM PDT

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  •  Walmart, the grand swine who cares not about the (0+ / 0-)

    deaths of poor workers.  Boycott time folks, boycott.

  •  Walmart won't sign (0+ / 0-)

    if the other stores don't. They're at an advantage over those signing for now. Unless you have successful boycotts of all those stores, pressuring them into signing, Walmart is not individually going to do so either.

    http://callatimeout.blogspot.com/ Jesus Loves You.

    by DAISHI on Sat May 18, 2013 at 04:48:00 PM PDT

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