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We have plenty of analysis of Obama's national security speech at National Defense University yesterday. Obama did say he was "going off script" at one point, but unfortunately his "off script" didn't venture far from the administration's talking points. What Obama should have said "going off script:"

*Drones are a mistake. Like so many tactics since 9/11, the U.S. has been improvising, and it is time to stop the morally-questionable practice of using drones.

*I have the authority to transfer Guantanamo detainees, and I will be starting that process on Monday by setting free the 86 detainees already cleared for release.

*It violates the First Amendment to spy on journalists, and I am ordering the Justice Department (and any other federal agency engaging in such an unnecessary intrusion on the free press) to cease any such surveillance immediately.

*In addition to the IRS investigation, I am ordering an immediate investigation into the torture program to hold accountable government officials who ordered, authorized, or participated in torture. I am commuting the sentence of CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, who did not participate in torture.

*I am giving job offers to Thomas Drake, P.J. Crowley and any other whistleblowers and dissenters who have been unceremoniously ousted from government jobs on my watch.

Add your "going off script" suggestions below.

Kossacks' "going off script" suggestions for Obama:  

From Kathleen McClellan:

"I do not have the authority to order the killing of Americans without due process."
From Buckeye Nut Schell:
I am going to order the Attorney General to fully investigate each and every financial institution that played a part in the economic collapse of not only our economy but the global economy and we are going to begin prosecuting all violations of the law to its fullest extent.
From stevej:  
[I apologize] for misleading those who voted for [me] based on [my] statements about Nat Sec, foreign policy and transparency.
From Don midwest:
I will lead an effort to expose the lies used to discourage people from voting.
From Sarah Damian:
My administration will re-examine our classification system so that future national security whistleblowers who reveal government wrongdoing are not prosecuted under the Espionage Act.
From Joanneleon:
I'll provide a clear and truthful answer to one of the questions that the "heckler" actually asked about why the 16-year old American citizen, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, was assassinated two weeks after his father was assassinated (after my administration offered no evidence to a court, nor any indictment on his father, in absentia).

I'll answer the questions about whether or not, as reported, a grand jury was convened for Samir Khan, and the DoJ was not able to get an indictment, and yet he was assassinated anyway.

From CIndyCasella:  
I will stop with the secrecy paranoia and commute all Espionage Act witch hunt jail sentences.
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  •  Although too little too late (13+ / 0-)

    he will now base policy decisions solely on what he said in his campaign speeches prior to the 2008 election.

    He also issued an apology for misleading those who voted for him based on statements about Nat Sec, foreign policy and transparency.

  •  I am going to... (26+ / 0-)

    order the Attorney General to fully investigate each and every financial institution that played a part in the economic collapse of not only our economy but the global economy and we are going to begin prosecuting all violations of the law to its fullest extent.

    And I am going to reclassify marijuana down to a schedule III narchotic effectively decriminalizing it.

    And effective immediately, we are going to begin looking at a single payer healthcare option that is twice as robust as France and since we already pay twice as much as France, it should be very cost effective.

    And I hearby pardon Don Siegelman.

    "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

    by Buckeye Nut Schell on Fri May 24, 2013 at 05:34:13 AM PDT

  •  election integrity (15+ / 0-)

    no other country in the world allows private contractors to provide voting equipment

    and the voting equipment is not transparent

    and the attacks on voting are directed to making it harder for the poor to vote

    and there is no reason that people who have served their prison sentence cannot vote, especially since the US is the world leader in incaration

    and vote counting is actually a very straight forward process technically

    so, I will lead an effort to expose the lies used to discourage people from voting

    I will support an national automatic registration like many other countries

    I am not sure if there will be a fine for not voting like there is in Australia, but we will look into it

    And I am going to expose the corruption of gerrymandering which is a blatant attempt to rig elections. The material prepared in Ohio used for the two ballot initiatives for constitutional amendments, which failed at the polls, but represents years of work by many thoughtful people

    Our democracy demands a world class election and voting system and I will stand for nothing less until it it implemented before the end of my presidency.

  •  If Obama went off script... (13+ / 0-)

    "My administration will re-examine our classification system so that future national security whistleblowers who reveal government wrongdoing are not prosecuted under the Espionage Act."

    #GoingOffScript

  •  Abdulrahman al-Awlaki (16+ / 0-)

    I'll provide a clear and truthful answer to one of the questions that the "heckler" actually asked about why the 16-year old American citizen, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, was assassinated two weeks after his father was assassinated (after my administration offered no evidence to a court, nor any indictment on his father, in absentia).

    I'll answer the questions about whether or not, as reported, a grand jury was convened for Samir Khan, and the DoJ was not able to get an indictment, and yet he was assassinated anyway.


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Fri May 24, 2013 at 06:25:59 AM PDT

    •  Asked and answered: (3+ / 0-)
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      Find some other blanks to fill in.

      Three other Americans who have been killed under the drone program were not directly targeted.

      You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

      by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:31:24 AM PDT

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      •  Which makes it all ok, then (15+ / 0-)

        So you wouldn't have a problem being killed or seeing a loved one being killed for merely being in the vicinity of an actual target? I.e. shit happens?

        Nice.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:47:56 AM PDT

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        •  So you wouldn't have an argument (1+ / 0-)
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          without creating a straw man? I.e. debate yourself and not things I said?

          Nice.

          You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

          by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:23:47 AM PDT

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          •  tomjones, don't waste your time with self-serving (6+ / 0-)

            diatribes designed to denigrate the democrats.

            that is all you'll get in this particular diary.  don't take the bait - there are too many good diaries on this site to waste time here.

            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

            by edrie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:46:38 AM PDT

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            •  It isn't "self serving"... (13+ / 0-)

              to stand up for human rights. To do so serves the interests of all human kind.

              In fact, it is self serving when abuse of human rights is defended.

              You've got this precisely backwards.

              "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

              by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 09:46:25 AM PDT

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              •  It was a self-serving diatribe. (0+ / 0-)
                 Which makes it all ok, then (9+ / 0-)
                So you wouldn't have a problem being killed or seeing a loved one being killed for merely being in the vicinity of an actual target? I.e. shit happens?

                Nice.

                This ridiculous and misleading rewording has nothing to do with 'standing up for human rights'. Your double-standard on commentary evaluation smells terribly even all the way over here.

                I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 11:53:45 AM PDT

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                •  That you think people expressing concern over (3+ / 0-)

                  human rights to be ridiculous needs no further elaboration. Your comment speaks volumes about your personal values and politics.

                  "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                  by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 12:30:05 PM PDT

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                  •  'people expressing concern' (0+ / 0-)

                    Why are you playing off someone attacking another personally via purposefully misstating what they said? It wasn't 'people expressing concern' it was 'dickishly paraphrasing in order to smear'.

                    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                    by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 12:41:28 PM PDT

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                    •  Are you talking about hit-and-run... (2+ / 0-)
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                      ZhenRen, cardboardurinal

                      ...content-free, unsubstantiated, self-serving comments like this one which you rec'd?

                      tomjones, don't waste your time with self-serving (5+ / 0-)
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                      diatribes designed to denigrate the democrats.

                      that is all you'll get in this particular diary.  don't take the bait - there are too many good diaries on this site to waste time here.

                      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                      by edrie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:46:38 AM PDT

                      Are those the kind of comments you're talking about?  Not real clear here.

                      It appears tomjones stuck around and was able to find a little coomon ground with some of the self-serving, Democrat-denigrating commenters here.  Just sayin'.

                  •  Oh, and just caught this: (0+ / 0-)
                    Your comment speaks volumes about your personal values and politics.
                    Which confirms my suspicion of your double-standard...'it's OK we, but not for thee...'

                    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                    by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 12:42:20 PM PDT

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                    •  This isn't about personal squabbles (3+ / 0-)

                      and insults no matter how much you want to make it so.

                      It's about snuffing out human lives without even so much as an apology, much less an investigation.

                      And its about those who conflate the real issue to make it about personality and ad hominem attacks.

                      You're defending murder.

                      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                      by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:12:57 PM PDT

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                      •  lol and now we've gone off the deep end (0+ / 0-)
                        You're defending murder.

                        I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                        by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:16:02 PM PDT

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                        •  So... (3+ / 0-)

                          Willful, indiscriminate killing of innocents without even a "gee, excuse me for snuffing out an innocent life" is not murder?

                          That is the question here, and when the administration has a policy of deliberately targeting first responders to a drone attack to help the wounded, or targeting the families of drone bombing victims attending their funeral, yes, I call that murder, and United Nations calls it a war crime (which they are investigating).

                          What do you call it? Just another day fighting "terrorism"?

                          We've become the terrorists, and all you want to do is take personal slight when people raise the issue, and obfuscate by a transparent attempt to drag this down to the level of high schoolish squabbles on DKos, rather than take these concerns seriously.

                          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                          by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:26:13 PM PDT

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                          •  Shenanigans, I pointed out that you were more than (0+ / 0-)

                            happy to chip in with recs and criticisms of reactions to these 'squabbles' if you felt that user believed as you do about the world, and now you're twisting around trying to change the subject. Standard.

                            I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:33:29 PM PDT

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                          •  This diary (2+ / 0-)
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                            is about Obama's National Security speech.

                            And your response is not to address the issues raised, but to make this about slights between dkos members, as if that has priority over the atrocities of drone violence.

                            My comments are about the topic of the diary. You're the one attempting to derail the focus, as is your usual tactic.

                            Your behavior is trivializing serious, egregious, extremely violent and destructive acts against humanity.

                            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                            by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:47:41 PM PDT

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                          •  You responded to another user, so therefore (0+ / 0-)

                            your comments are not 'about the topic of the diary'. Again, you're confirming you're just fine with poor behavior if it's in support of your worldview.

                            I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:52:07 PM PDT

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                          •  Useless n/t (0+ / 0-)

                            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                            by ZhenRen on Sat May 25, 2013 at 12:51:09 PM PDT

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                        •  Hmm... (1+ / 0-)
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                          ...edrie's comment speaks of diatribe(s) and also slams the entire diary and unnamed commenters.  ZhenRhen's comment to edrie addressed her all-encompassing 'diatribe.'

                          •  But edrie's was in response to (0+ / 0-)

                            the one Tom Jones posted in response to what was absolutely a smear, but it was a smear against someone that ZhenRen disagrees with so that one was ok, apparently.

                            I know we're not going to agree but I feel we're both having to research and make sure the comments are unfolding properly, which is not easy at all given how they display, and we're liable to make a mistake soon..

                            I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:41:44 PM PDT

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                          •  I hate to break it to you (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            4kedtongue

                            but dragging this serious issue down to stupid dkos squabbles isn't helping to sweep the issue under the rug.

                            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                            by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:51:07 PM PDT

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                          •  It's a fantastic thing (0+ / 0-)

                            that I put 0% value in your commentary, and only care to take issue with your double-standards.

                            I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:53:31 PM PDT

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                          •  First, try correcting your own (1+ / 0-)
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                            4kedtongue

                            Some things are more important than the pubescent bickering around here.

                            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                            by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 02:00:41 PM PDT

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                          •  You're very good at high-vocabulary (0+ / 0-)

                            bickering instead, I'll give you that.

                            I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 02:11:39 PM PDT

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                          •  Useless n/t (1+ / 0-)
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                            4kedtongue

                            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                            by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 09:28:32 PM PDT

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                          •  Wanna see an expert on double standards? (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            ZhenRen

                            Look in the mirror.

                            The only reason you show up in these diaries is to distract from the topic.  And you demonstrate a less than consistent community moderation style.  So please, stick to the topic at hand and stop with trying to ferret out double standards in others.  You'll definitely lose on that count.

                          •  Again, I appreciate the attention 4ked (0+ / 0-)

                            from the guy/gal who came into the diary just to tell someone else that came into the diary that they came into the diary.

                            I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 02:12:12 PM PDT

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                          •  I've been in this diary... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            ZhenRen

                            ...practically since it was posted.  I read it, rec'd it, rec'd the tip jar, and rec'd many of the comments before I typed a single letter in your direction.  It's too bad you're not more appreciative of proper community moderation.

                          •  edrie's comment, (1+ / 0-)
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                            ZhenRen

                            addressed to tomjones, didn't single out any particular commenter.  edrie's comment spoke of self-serving diatribes, not a particular commenter's diatribe.  Who is she talking about?  Anyone who doesn't agree with her, that's who. doesn't agree with in this diary?  edrie also slammed the diary as a waste of time.

                            edrie's comment slammed everyone in the diary with whom she disagrees AND slammed the diary, as well.  And she did so without providing one scintilla of fact to back up her diatribe.  

                            Since there are many commenters in this diary (diarist included) who consistently write about human rights and civil librties, ZhenRen chose to address edrie's comment as edrie had intended her comment to be read.

                          •  Exactly right (1+ / 0-)
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                            Thank you.

                            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                            by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:59:36 PM PDT

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                          •  Pleasure's all mine! ;-) (1+ / 0-)
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        •  No, it just makes it not an assassination. nt (0+ / 0-)

          I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

          by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 11:52:06 AM PDT

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      •  That's not an answer (17+ / 0-)

        Why were they killed? What happened?  Was it accidental? Was it a signature strike? Was it something else?


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:49:20 AM PDT

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        •  Samir Khan (1+ / 0-)
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          was killed in the same drone strike as al-Awlaki. Did they know Khan was in the car with al-Awlaki and fired anyway? I don't know, that is a good question.

          Why was the cafe targeted? Also good question.

          But without more evidence, the deaths of these 3 doesn't seem to me any worse than any other civilian or combatant death by drone.

          Which is to say, in the case of civilians, bad. As with any conflict.

          You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

          by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:18:20 AM PDT

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      •  from your link (13+ / 0-)
        Three other Americans who have been killed under the drone program were not directly targeted. Samir Khan, an al-Qaida propagandist, died sitting next to al-Awlaki.

        And al-Awlaki's 16-year-old son died weeks later in a strike aimed at an outdoor café in Yemen.

        The fourth person — Jude Kenan Mohammad — is much less widely known. A former North Carolina resident, Mohammad faced terrorism charges including conspiracy to provide support to terrorists and conspiracy to murder people overseas in 2009. A federal indictment from that year said Mohammad left the U.S. in October 2008, allegedly to travel to Pakistan to engage in violent jihad.

        that 16 year old son would be Abdulrahman al-Awlaki

        I don't see in your link where there is "a clear and truthful answer".

        why was he killed? two weeks later. what happened?

        waiting.

        ...

        #GoingOffScript: "The assassination of that 16 year old child was terrible tragic mistake and on behalf of the USA, I apologize to his family and community. Furthermore I will initiate a full and transparent investigation into the matter immediately in order to ensure these kinds of "accidents" never happen again."

        If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

        by Lady Libertine on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:58:01 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you for the link (5+ / 0-)

          Interesting read, and it does seem like the story about the son is not as cut and dried as to merely say "it was an accident."

          The former official, who worked on the targeted killing program, said that according to intelligence and Special Operations officials, the target of the strike was al-Banna, the AQAP propagandist. "We had no idea the kid was there. We were told al-Banna was alone," the former official told me. Once it became clear that the teenager had been killed, he added, military and intelligence officials asserted, "It was a mistake, a bad mistake." However, John Brennan, at the time President Obama’s senior adviser on counterterrorism and homeland security, "suspected that the kid had been killed intentionally and ordered a review. I don’t know what happened with the review."
          This seems like a good avenue to explore. Is this true? Was there a review, and what did it find? If someone in the CIA intentionally targeted an innocent kid, then he or she needs to be prosecuted.

          You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

          by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:22:41 AM PDT

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          •  yes and that is what we'd like to know (12+ / 0-)

            we're asking for clear & truthful answers, where are they?

            And why isn't anyone in the MSM press corps or Congressional Committees asking these questions. (Maybe Congress is/has, I dont know actually.) Ya know, why does this 'responsibility' (asking the Q) fall on the shoulders of a citizen heckler who is then escorted out?

            If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

            by Lady Libertine on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:29:16 AM PDT

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            •  Here is where we will disagree (1+ / 0-)
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              I think the four deaths are being investigated and are a subject of debate in the press, in Congress, and within the White House.

              This did not just come out of the blue yesterday due to a Code Pink protester.

              You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

              by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:34:17 AM PDT

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              •  And your answer... (13+ / 0-)

                says it all: You are left to guess about the intentions and activities of a government that is killing innocent people in your name.

                You basically resolve this in your mind with trust in Obama. We shouldn't have to rely on mere trust when it comes to extrajudicial murder.

                The arrogance of Americans is they seem to take for granted that the US has a (self declared) right to kill anyone it guesses might wish us ill will, because of, you know, we were TERRORIZED on 9/11.

                So call off human rights because...

                We been WRONGED! And we have drones!
                Thus we become terrorists ourselves. It is still terrorism when we do it.

                Its easy to respect human rights when everything is going well. The real test of a nation's character is how we respect human rights under the duress of atrocities. Do we decide we are exempt from respecting human rights when things go wrong? Or do we show the world we will stand firm in resolve to treat every human being as having rights?

                "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 09:42:05 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  ooooh, I wonder: (3+ / 0-)

            So who's going to answer those questions in your last paragraph?

            Won't be anyone in this Administration, that's for sure, and I'd be apprehensive for the journalist who tries to shake out some relevant info.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:36:12 AM PDT

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          •  and... (4+ / 0-)

            gah doesnt that bother you?

            Not only do we not know what happened, was it an "accident" but Brennan doesn't even know what happened to the only review that was even prompted? John Brennan, now the Director of the CIA ???

            le sigh...

            If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

            by Lady Libertine on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:37:55 AM PDT

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  •  To really go off script (10+ / 0-)

    .. "and I will now tell you who is behind the scenes churning out these scripts for me"

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Fri May 24, 2013 at 06:31:29 AM PDT

  •  biggest criminal enterprise in history - 21 Recs (8+ / 0-)

    which is the rape of the earth

    invents the term from latin terricide for what is going on

    criminals are the corporations extracting resources and polluting

    from The Nation a series of comments from TomDispatch that are posted every week here on dailykos but for the most part they get way less than 10 recs and way less than 10 comments

    this one got 6 comments along with 21 recs

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    •  mistake - posted this comment to wrong diary (6+ / 0-)

      but hey, I can link this to Jesselyn

      the environment is the ultimate whistle blower

      can't intimidate mother nature

      the wrong comment was about the criminal attack on mother nature and so far the criminals have the law on their backs

      thus, they are not really criminals, are they?

      if Germany had won WW II, there would not have been a Nuremberg Trials and all those human rights laws from them

      this time around, nature is taking all of us prisoners, because we are so dumb that we don't even know that we are part of the bio sphere

      we have 100 trillion bacteria so we are truly a home for bacteria in essence

    •  Need a war on "terratists" (10+ / 0-)

      Truely, we are in the midst of a war on terra, now being pounded by human over-population, and the carbon-rich waste products we humans generate.  The result threatens the human species.

      As with all wars, some have position themselves to make great profits from the conflict, in part by making sure the war is a long one.  We should be fighting back against these "terrarists".  

      Let us put people before profits.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Fri May 24, 2013 at 06:44:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  "Yeah, I pretty much do (12+ / 0-)

    whatever Wall Street wants.  You don't like it?  Tough."

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Fri May 24, 2013 at 06:47:12 AM PDT

  •  Instead of continually trying to fix our past (9+ / 0-)

    mistakes in other countries by committing blunder after blunder, we'll instead work on trying to fix our past mistakes in our own country.

    We will dismantle our empire & -

    1. We'll honor the Fort Laramie treaties.
    2. We'll honor "forty acres & a mule."
    3. We'll initiate free & universal health care.
    4. We'll offer employment to all comers in a new WPA.
    5. We'll train children instead of arming them.

    The Americas greatest political dynasty...the Kaan

    by catilinus on Fri May 24, 2013 at 06:48:23 AM PDT

  •  Your off script comments work for me. (12+ / 0-)

    If I added anything it would be:

    After long reflection I've decided to bring the 42 year long War on Drugs to an end. It's a failed policy that can no longer be justified and that the people no longer support. I'll be announcing new changes to Federal policy in the coming months and I hope Congress will join with me in turning this page.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Fri May 24, 2013 at 06:49:38 AM PDT

  •  "Damn, who wrote this crap? Holder?" (18+ / 0-)

    "Let me go off script here for a moment.  I don't think that this speech makes things clear.  

    I will kill whoever I want, wherever I want, whenever I want - at my sole discretion.  

    I will decide when to allow the details of my decisions and actions will be leaked or announced and anybody who leaks something that I don't want to get out... I have two words for you.  Predator drones.  You'll never see it coming.  You think I'm joking?"  

    (nervous laughter and applause)

    i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

    by joe shikspack on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:14:03 AM PDT

    •  Loved the Jonas Brothers reference! (2+ / 0-)
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      As well as your -- let's be brutally honest here -- realistic attitude.

      I don't fantasize about ponies flying out of the nether orifice of POTUS.  I'd be satisfied with honesty.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:23:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I will bring our troops home now and cut the (8+ / 0-)

    bloated defense budget.  Ditto, homeland stupidity.   I will stop with the secrecy paranoia and commute all Espionage Act witch hunt jail sentences.  Don Siegelman will be released from prison as of now, and I will investigate the turd blossom who sent him there and punish him to the fullest extent of the law.  Ditto all who were involved in stealing elections.

    Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by CIndyCasella on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:14:53 AM PDT

  •  "I will be sending back my Nobel Peace Prize" (14+ / 0-)

    Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England as shall never be put out.

    by Bollox Ref on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:15:32 AM PDT

  •  Going off script (7+ / 0-)

    "When I say "Not specifically targeted" that's legal mumbo jumbo for accidental assassination.  In other words, I meant to assassinate someone, just not THOSE people.  Look forward, not backward, people!"

    (Cheers from Obama Dead Enders)

    Bad things aren't bad! And anyway, there's mitigation!

    by Nada Lemming on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:23:08 AM PDT

    •  Yep, cheers from the "Dead Enders" (5+ / 0-)

      like the New York Times:

      President Obama’s speech on Thursday was the most important statement on counterterrorism policy since the 2001 attacks, a momentous turning point in post-9/11 America. For the first time, a president stated clearly and unequivocally that the state of perpetual warfare that began nearly 12 years ago is unsustainable for a democracy and must come to an end in the not-too-distant future.
      OMG, and qualified praise from the ACLU. Buncha O-bots there.
      Four years into his presidency, President Obama has finally taken the first steps to jumpstart his administration's effort to make good on early campaign promises to close Guantánamo and recognized the human cost of failing to act. These are encouraging and noteworthy actions.
      Sorry to get in the way of the good little echo chamber you guys have going.

      You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

      by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:37:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I will fire the heads of DOJ (7+ / 0-)

    I've decided that I need to protect the Constitution, rather than spit on it. Therefore I have fired Attorney General Eric Holder and Deputy Attorney General James Cole and have replaced them with people who are committed to protecting the Constitution and to prosecuting Wall Street wrongdoers.

    Also, I will instruct the State Department to oppose the Keystone Pipeline. We simply can't approve a project that would be "game over" in the fight against climate change.

  •  Going off script: (6+ / 0-)

    "I will now govern exclusively by doing whatever the most widely rec'd diaries on daily kos recommend."

    You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

    by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:38:32 AM PDT

    •  What a clueless and offensive comment (5+ / 0-)

      You're basically reducing anyone who posts here with comments you don't agree with or like to a sniping ankle-biter who can and should be ignored, while you continue with your self-appointed duty as the president's protector.

      Nice. Real progressive of you.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:44:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, maybe he was referring to (4+ / 0-)

        the highly recced diaries yesterday that just fawned over POTUS's speech.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:49:14 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Or maybe he just likes shitting (2+ / 0-)
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          on other peoples' diaries because they offend his delicate sensibilities.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:50:22 AM PDT

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          •  Seems like you sure got offended, eh mate? (0+ / 0-)

            Guess you missed comments in this diary referring to "Obama Dead Enders," huh?

            New suggestion for Obama going off script:

            "I will monitor the comments at daily kos to make sure no one hurts kovie's fee fees."

            You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

            by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:05:27 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Oh how witty of you, Francis... (1+ / 0-)
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              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:07:12 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Off script: (0+ / 0-)

                "I will instruct my loyal cheerleaders to avoid conversation with the kossack identified as kovie. He is utterly humorless and prone to nagging."

                You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

                by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:08:19 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Of all the people you can accuse of being (1+ / 0-)
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                  humorless here, I think I'd be one of the last ones. I think you just happen to have a particularly dry sense of humor yourself that you're too thin-skinned to admit isn't for everyone, or all that easy to penetrate.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:15:35 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  Didn't see that diary, no (3+ / 0-)
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          There was a lot to like in the speech and, yes, a lot that was missing.

          I am prepared to acknowledge both sides. It seems like neither the diarist or any of these commentors are prepared to do the same.

          In any event, I would hope government by daily kos diary would lead to the daily White House briefings being replaced with cat and dog videos, but YMMV.

          You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

          by tomjones on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:07:22 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  False construct (2+ / 0-)
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      How about...

      "Government by international law and respect for human rights"?

      Oh, and by the way, we all have a right to expect transparency and respect for human rights in the actions of our government, which supposedly serves the people, and not itself. That you ridicule valid criticisms about actions done in our name speaks volumes about your personal politics.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 11:27:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Can we survive as a leaderless nation? (3+ / 0-)
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    Obama is all rhetoric and no action. He could have closed Gitmo years ago if he would have given it an effort and supported democrats who led the fight to close Gitmo. He is going after the press while allowing big banks to rip off America. He goes after whistle blowers rather than the ones who are outed for wrong doing. He has voted for and approved FISA that allows warrantless wire tapping. Obama's inaction has allowed our payroll taxes to increase 10%. Obama's legacy will be one of a president who has no fight in him and allows corruption to grow as he sits by, pleads ignorance and blames republicans for the lack of progress. My wife and I bring home  $450 less per month in our checks because of Obama's lack of backbone to stand up to republicans in the tax revisions and letting the rich off the hook. The economy is still in the tank because Obama doesn't have the guts to stand up and fight corporate America and the wealthy who run this country. The best he can do is talk BS, go golfing or play basketball with his buddies.

    •  And never forget who he golfs with. (2+ / 0-)
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      Boehner and Big Oil execs.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:50:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Interesting question. There will be a leader (0+ / 0-)

      sooner or later.  Obama isn't one, obviously.

      The question is what sort of leader we'll get.  We could get an FDR (if we were very, very lucky and worked very very hard).  We could get a Woodrow Wilson (did a fair amount of good, and a lot of really terrible stuff).  We could get a Joe Stalin.  We could get an Adolf Hitler.

      People hungerr for a leader, and this makes for dangerous times.

      •  Hillary is my choice as of today (0+ / 0-)

        I believe she will put republicans in their place and make Senator Reid, the leader of the Senate, get a spine and stop worrying about hurting Republicans' feelings. Just get it done.

  •  I haven't thought and heard enough about (2+ / 0-)
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    the speech to decide whether it was a good first if insufficient step in the right direction or just an attempt to put a pleasing face on a bad situation that isn't about to substantially if at all improve. Of course, the speech itself won't really determine that. Only future actions will. We'll see.

    However, traditionally, presidents generally don't give major speeches that don't telegraph intended actions. Aside from that Bush speech about Mars.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:42:38 AM PDT

  •  how far off script can we go? (6+ / 0-)

    "Seeing as how global climate change threatens agricultural production worldwide and threatens to cause global famine, resulting in both human loss and a profoundly unstable security environment, I am immediately implementing a plan to shift us off of fossil fuels. As a necessary first step, I reject the Keystone XL Pipeline and all other current applications for tar sands to move through our country as no one has proven to me that these projects provide any reasonable level of benefit, economic or otherwise, to the United States, commensurate with the staggering costs of clean-up when pipes fail, in the short term, and the unimaginable human costs when our climate fails, in the long term."

    "When people spin this in partisan terms to obfuscate the truth, it does a real disservice to normal people not in the big club in DC. Many of them will be hurting...That is why I write."--priceman

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:42:42 AM PDT

  •  Or how about this: (4+ / 0-)

    "I hereby announce my unequivocal support for Chairman Conyers' bill, The Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment and Training Act, which funds as much direct job creation as is necessary until every American who wants to work can do so. This bill will be funded by a transaction tax on Wall St, which will have the additional benefit of slowing down reckless speculation in our financial sector. If Congress remains unwilling to pass such a bill, I will direct the Fed to fulfill the other half of its traditional mandate and strive for full employment, directly providing the financing to create millions of American jobs. Since the Fed was able to extend 16 trillion dollars to banks, brokers, and wealthy individuals worldwide, it should have no trouble providing 2 trillion dollars for job creation, directed toward jobs that will stay in the United States and provide a reasonable living wage to hardworking Americans."

    "When people spin this in partisan terms to obfuscate the truth, it does a real disservice to normal people not in the big club in DC. Many of them will be hurting...That is why I write."--priceman

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:48:12 AM PDT

  •  "What happened to Aaron Swartz (8+ / 0-)

    was a barbaric and disastrous example of executive overreach, not befitting any free society. Everyone who was involved in that decision will be fired, and I will direct DOJ to alter their policies both on freedom of information generally and digital crimes specifically. In fact, I now announce my unequivocal support for Aaron's Law, and ask all my fellow Democrats on the Hill to rally behind this transformative bill.
    Further, I am beginning a comprehensive investigation of the manner in which settlements are used by DOJ as a way of intimidating people out of their right to a fair trial."

    "When people spin this in partisan terms to obfuscate the truth, it does a real disservice to normal people not in the big club in DC. Many of them will be hurting...That is why I write."--priceman

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:06:35 AM PDT

  •  Well of course we have this diary (4+ / 0-)
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    The President moves in a direction his detractors on here have been crying for and the snide comments from them begin immediately about it not being enough.  My guess is he could come to your homes, get down on his knees and beg for forgiveness, ask you to complete lay out his future actions for him, and you'd slap him down.  

    Despite daily evidence he's battling it out each day trying to hold our country together, he and Eric Holder in your eyes are the twin anti-Christs and nothing will change your minds.  How many times have these outrage issues come up only to find there is no there there and that things just got a bit better as time went on, time that by the way is controlled by a huge array of human beings with some control of the reins of power in Washington and in state and local governments along with vast armies of governmental employees, many that were hired or appointed during past administrations.  Time that is influenced by a media that rivals the propaganda machine of pre-WWII Germany and is reinforced daily by uneducated Americans and their "we expect it now" lifestyles.  

    On a day when we should be applauding steps any open minded and reasonable human should embrace, the haters resort to this.  I thank every day I wake up that President Obama listens to your rants (probably with some concerned amusement), runs down the list of items that could bring the world crashing to its knees, looks at the resources and votes he's able to throw at them, and finds some PRAGMATIC way to keep it all together.  History will look back on the genius and the lot of you won't even be a microscopic blip.

    •  We are not worthy! (4+ / 2-)
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      His magnificence is underappreciated!  We must support this great leader, even if he won't explain why he murdered a 16 year old American who loved video games and rap music!  He MU$T have been guilty of something!  Or maybe he'll grow up to be guilty of something!  Obama is not merely a president, he's a fictional mafia chieftain bent on destroying any and all threats now and in the future!  And we must love him for it!  

      Bad things aren't bad! And anyway, there's mitigation!

      by Nada Lemming on Fri May 24, 2013 at 09:12:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  never mind your odd "great leader"... (1+ / 0-)
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        frame. (really Kim Il-sung?) I'm not OK with your assertion that President Obama murdered a 16 year old. Hyperbole times 1000. Where are all you "those who support Democrats support the Great Leader" people coming from? Where were you during  Bush's presidency? Why can't the kos community put a bit of a kabosh on this "great leader" meme? Did president Obama murder every person who has died during his presidency? I'd really like to call him to task for the loss of my mom to old age. C'mon people? What the F is going on here? Dailykos is driving full speed into la-la land.

        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -- Einstein

        by reginahny on Fri May 24, 2013 at 11:28:31 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Actually... (6+ / 0-)

          The United Nations has stated that the US is being investigated by them for war crimes in drone bombing of innocent civilians.  

          Too bad they don't post here so you can hide rate them, too.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 11:32:53 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  too bad you think hide rating (0+ / 0-)

            has some meaning in the real world. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones.

            Too bad the UN is not investigating the US for being a failed democracy tailored to the 1%. Too bad the UN has absolutely no power to affect change. (I really DO think that's bad, but I realize its true).

            Hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands of US citizens are affected EVERY DAY by reactionary polices foisted on us by the extreme Christian right wing. Too bad the UN is not investigating that. Because we all know if the UN isn't investigating it, it's not happening. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones. Drones are the worst thing in the world, in our society and ever. Drones. omg drones. drones. drones. drones. drones.

            Oh and also "great leader" drones. drones. drones. drones. drones.

            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -- Einstein

            by reginahny on Fri May 24, 2013 at 12:53:38 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Your attempt (1+ / 0-)
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              to change the subject by introducing red herrings is transparently self serving.

              And your ridicule of concerns about human rights abuse is rather revealing of your personal politics.

              "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

              by ZhenRen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:16:46 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Drones. (0+ / 0-)

                Yes, my personal politics are all about supporting human rights abuses. That's why I visit dailykos, so I can ridicule human rights and promote human rights abuses. You got me! Also, drones, drones, drones, drones, drones, drones, drones. How is the fact that every other diary recently is about impeaching president Obama, drones, whistleblowing (vs: data dumping) and Obama SCANDALS (rather than ginned up controversies?) Not red herrings. Not my agenda, cool if it's yours.

                Red herrings detract from a main point. If the site's main point is that drones Obama impeach whistleblowers then it's not a Red Herring, it's an actuality. But cool of you to define my questions as Red Herrings when drones impeach nixon bad as bush whistleblower drones are not.

                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -- Einstein

                by reginahny on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:45:37 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  my question is WHEN are these diaries going to (0+ / 0-)

                  reach the level of ct that will evoke site action.

                  just catching up and throwing up at the insanity contained therein.

                  this is SUPPOSED to be a democratic site dedicated to electing more and better democrats - and we have a critical election coming up in a little more than a year.

                  this country is desperately in need of consolidation of democrats and progressives if we want to keep this nation from moving in a direction that is, quite frankly, much more hellacious than any single drone attack.

                  the droning on about things that are going to be flatly irrelevant if the republicans take back the senate and maintain the house will make drones look like children's play toys.

                  i am getting sick of the manipulation of this site to denigrate the ONLY demoratic president in office at this time and at a time where the senate is highly vulnerable - and for what?

                  to satisfy the ego of a single individual or two or three?

                  we'd damned well better realize that we are playing for serious stakes right now with much more than one 16 yr old casualty of an abominable war that wasn't started by this president but will be ENDED by him.

                  people need to get a grip and get a life before the life one gets is equivalent to the one lived in the 1800s.

                  out of here again - sorry i came back.

                  EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                  by edrie on Fri May 24, 2013 at 09:38:17 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  By all means (4+ / 0-)
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                    critics of extrajuducial murder of children must be silenced or else republicans will win!  What was I thinking?  The party, and Obama's political fortune are much more important than having a functional democracy!  He must be allowed to continue assassinating American children or all is lost!

                    Bad things aren't bad! And anyway, there's mitigation!

                    by Nada Lemming on Fri May 24, 2013 at 09:48:44 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  This is so loaded with dimwitted bullshit... (3+ / 0-)
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                    I don't know where to start.

                    The assertions of CT are false. The drone warfare and its victims (among other notable abuses) are a matter of common knowledge as reported by the media.

                    To call for censoring public concern and discussion of drone killings, or censoring public opposition to excessive US military aggressiveness, is anti-democracy and reflects an authoritarian mindset.

                    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                    by ZhenRen on Sat May 25, 2013 at 01:06:53 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  My question is WHEN (2+ / 0-)
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                    are you going to stop trolling Radack's diaries?


                    "Justice is a commodity"

                    by joanneleon on Sat May 25, 2013 at 03:40:44 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  disagreeing with the veracity of a poster is not (0+ / 0-)

                      trolling - especially when there is ample evidence to back up the questionable credibility (OUTSIDE evidence).

                      so, don't try throwing that "troll" label at me, joanneleon.  i have valid reasons for distrusting and disagreeing with this diarist who is not "just a kossack" but is a public figure and author who comes here to tout questionable theories in an attempt in my (and others outside of this blog, btw) opinion to try to vindicate her own questionable and unethical behavior.

                      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                      by edrie on Sat May 25, 2013 at 10:44:44 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  When you (3+ / 0-)
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                        go into almost every diary of the same person to smear them,  that's trolling. People who aren't "trolls" can still engage in trolling activity and that's what is going on.

                        I'm not the only one who has noticed this and you've gone far beyond doubting veracity. In one recent diary you accused her of being here simply to raise money for herself by selling books.  You were called out on that by a number of different people who pointed out that you've used the site to raise money for yourself and that you advertise your shop in every comment that you write via your sig line, so your questioning of her motives was beyond ironic.   You've also thrown in with another commenter who was dragging up things from her past, personal things, referring to other publications and a whole lot of other things that were just beyond the pale.  

                        What ever happened to those guidelines that kos set out for everyone on the site?  He basically said that if you hate someone here, don't go into their diaries to remind them about how much you still hate them. But it looks like that's exactly what you do to Jessalyn in nearly every diary that she writes.    So don't lie about what you are doing.  When she writes here, she's always writing about current events, and usually it's related to whistleblowing and transparency, and that's what she has chosen to do with her career, and that is her expertise.  She is completely open about that.  You, on the other hand, always make it personal and rather than addressing the specifics of the topic, smear the diarist in order to defend the president.  Over and over, using the same smears regardless of the topic of the diary.


                        "Justice is a commodity"

                        by joanneleon on Sun May 26, 2013 at 05:10:55 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  why, joanneleon, are you following me around? (0+ / 0-)

                          if so, you're not very observant.  i rarely post in raddack's diatribes - and, as for "throwing in" with another poster, not hardly.

                          that more than one of us find her less than honest is not surprising.  what IS surprising is your assertation that anyone who finds her somewhat less than ethical and trustworthy and very manipulative is a troll.

                          you seem to hold to no dissent if it is about someone you personally like and support... yet, when those who support obama and the dems object, the negative slurs fly.

                          now, i'm leaving.  this is nonproductive.  and, it is a waste of my time.

                          oh, and, fyi, something is only a "smear" if it is untrue.  thus, no smear.  sorry.  labelling something a "smear" doesn't make it accurate.

                          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                          by edrie on Sun May 26, 2013 at 07:44:48 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  I wonder if you'd feel the same way (0+ / 0-)

                            if someone kept coming into your diaries and posting something true but unflattering, or somewhat true but a half truth, about you, over and over again. Would you consider that to be a smear?  Should we test it out?  We can just post the nasty thing about you over and over in comments repeatedly in your diaries and qualify it with this:

                            edrie: "oh, and, fyi, something is only a "smear" if it is untrue.  thus, no smear.  sorry.  labelling something a "smear" doesn't make it accurate."
                            Would that be okay with you? Seems only fair.


                            "Justice is a commodity"

                            by joanneleon on Mon May 27, 2013 at 02:53:38 PM PDT

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                          •  first of all, dear, i am NOT a "public figure" - (0+ / 0-)

                            and, secondly, had i done what raddack has done, i would not be avoiding responsibility for my actions.

                            i take full responsibility for what i say, what i write and what i do in life.

                            raddack is a public figure.

                            so, if you are thinking of making a half-veiled threat toward me, you damned well better be accurate without being personal.

                            i am objecting to an author who consistently misrepresents data and actions in government and brings everything back to her "whistleblower" meme, whether it fits or not.

                            according to the judge who threw out her suit against the d.o.j., she is accountable for her own actions and those actions seem to be to seek vindication for her behavior.

                            don't believe me?  well, go read the decision for yourself here...

                            better yet, let me quote the relevant sections of the decision:

                            “‘Because injunctions regulate future conduct, a party has standing to seek injunctive relief only if the party alleges, and ultimately proves, a real and immediate—as opposed to merely conjectural or hypothetical—threat of future injury.’” Natural Res. Def. Council v. Peña, 147 F.3d 1012, 1022 (D.C. Cir. 1998) (quoting Church v. City of Huntsville, 30 F.3d 1332, 1337 (11th Cir. 1994). Radack has not alleged anywhere in the record that DOJ is likely to injure her in the future—or even suggested that this is a possibility. Rather, the request for an injunction appears to have a punitive animus or be based on a generalized desire for vindication. See Pl.’s Opp’n at 20 (“a declaration and injunction would redress Ms. Radack’s injury by labeling the Department’s action as what it really was—retaliation.”).

                            Neither basis is sufficient for granting 5 injunctive relief. See Peña, 147 F.3d at 1022 (“injunctive relief principally serves a remedial purpose, not a punitive one, and thus the injunction’s collateral punitive effects do not by themselves satisfy Article III’s redressability requirement.”); Steel Co., 523 U.S. at 107 (“although a suitor may derive great comfort and joy from the fact that . . . a wrongdoer gets his just desserts, or that the Nation’s laws are faithfully enforced, that psychic satisfaction is not an acceptable Article III remedy because it does not redress a cognizable Article III injury.”). The court therefore holds that Radack lacks standing to pursue injunctive relief. That component of her claim is therefore dismissed under Rule 12(b)(1).

                            [Case 1:04-cv-01881-HHK Document 19 Filed 07/17/06 Page 8 of 14]

                            do you need further clarification?

                            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                            by edrie on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:03:42 PM PDT

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                          •  As for (0+ / 0-)

                            following you around?  Ah, I'm pretty sure I was in this diary comment thread before you were.  I'm often in Jesselyn's diaries because I often agree with them, because I'm an early riser and I post a daily diary at 8:30am eastern on weekdays and she often posts around the same time, so I tend to see them soon after they are posted. You, on the other hand, don't ever agree with her and show up strictly to post the same smears over and over again.  So if you show up to trash her in her comment threads, I'd generally see it because I read the comments in her diaries.  Don't flatter yourself by thinking that I'm following you around.

                            I don't "personally like and support" her. I've never met her and I don't think I've ever even had a comment conversation with her.  I think she's zeroing in on important topics and I do support that.


                            "Justice is a commodity"

                            by joanneleon on Mon May 27, 2013 at 02:59:54 PM PDT

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                      •  You aren't providing a basis to your... (0+ / 0-)

                        "valid reasons" but rather just smearing. Most of your comments are superficial ad homs that simply allow you to vent without substantiation. You rarely provide any real substance. Its as if you don't understand what real substance would look like if it were staring you in the face.

                        Yeah, people notice.

                        Your history of attacks bears this stamp... empty attacks calling for censorship that are thinly disguised pro-OBama diatribes that ignore the arguments.

                        Do that too often and yes, it becomes worthy of the troll label.

                        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                        by ZhenRen on Sun May 26, 2013 at 02:38:06 PM PDT

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        •  you don't get to (1+ / 0-)
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          hide rate me and then lecture me for two paragraphs.  if you want to have a conversation you have a damn strange way of starting one.  

          Bad things aren't bad! And anyway, there's mitigation!

          by Nada Lemming on Fri May 24, 2013 at 09:43:43 PM PDT

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      •  Nah, he is the latest Dr. Who. He came here (2+ / 0-)
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        Nada Lemming, ZhenRen

        in the Tardis. He already knows who committed which crimes in the future. That's why it's all right for him to have a kill list.

        "When people spin this in partisan terms to obfuscate the truth, it does a real disservice to normal people not in the big club in DC. Many of them will be hurting...That is why I write."--priceman

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri May 24, 2013 at 12:29:51 PM PDT

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  •  "After careful analysis, I have decided that ... (4+ / 0-)
    "After careful analysis, I have decided that since the rules of law can not be enforced against the United States of America or the office of the President, there is no reason to obey them, and so I will continue to apply the policy of war crimes that my predecesor and his master made central to America's involvement with other nations."

    Watch this swish!

    Vote rape. Vote torture. Vote War Crimes. Vote with the American top 1%.

    by Yellow Canary on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:44:23 AM PDT

  •  A good list (2+ / 0-)
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    But why give jobs only to whistleblowers ousted on Obama's watch? Aren't all whistleblowers highly desirable employees?

  •  Every. Single. Freakin. Day. (3+ / 0-)
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    Same diary. I know I'm HRable, but don't you have one single other thing to do than post these "whistleblower" diaries every single freakin' day? How about one that delineates the difference between whistleblowers and data dumpers? How about one that addresses what the president said without the gratuitous "kossaks" opinion? How about one that delineates how the world would run if every single security decision was 100% transparent? These diaries are all about you and your pony -- what progressive change are they encouraging? Spell it out for me as clearly as you spell out these endless Obama conspiracy diaries.

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -- Einstein

    by reginahny on Fri May 24, 2013 at 10:35:40 AM PDT

  •  Is this the best (0+ / 0-)

    response we Kossacks can come up with to the Speech?
    We are a SORRY lot! Nuff said...

    •  Where's your diary on the subject? (1+ / 0-)
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      People who complain about the way others respond to subjects here when they fail to offer little more than one sentence comments that end in "nuff said" are difficult to take seriously.

      Nuff said.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Fri May 24, 2013 at 12:14:48 PM PDT

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  •  Off-script: 'I wish I could give dreamers their (0+ / 0-)

    utopia, but I have to govern in the real world.'

    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

    by GoGoGoEverton on Fri May 24, 2013 at 11:56:56 AM PDT

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