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Rapper Lil' Wayne has come under fire after TMZ, on Monday, posted footage of him stomping on the American flag while shooting a music video. The always-subtle gossip site titled the video "LIL' WAYNE TRAMPLES AMERICAN FLAG" in giant, bold letters. The internet, of course, lit up, with people aghast at this shocking spectacle of Wayne desecrating America's pride and heritage ("stepping all over the stars and stripes," as TMZ put it).

On Tuesday, Wayne, under heavy fire, posted what was effectively an apology on Facebook:
It was never my intention to desecrate the flag of the United States of America. I was shooting a video for a song off my album entitled "God Bless Amerika". The clip that surfaced on the Internet was a camera trick clip that revealed that behind the American Flag was the Hoods of America. In the final edit of the video you will see the flag fall to reveal what is behind it but will never see it on the ground. In most people eyes including my own who were raised in that environment, the Hood is the only America they know and the only America I knew growing up. I was fortunate from my God giving talents to escape the Hood and see the other beautiful places this country has to offer but most people who are born in that environment don't get that chance. That's their view of their America. That was Dwayne M Carter from Hollygrove New Orleans view of America. That's who I'm speaking for in this song.
(This is actually a rather profound point: that, for the millions of Americans relegated to a life of inner-city poverty, the hood is "America" - it's all they will ever see or know. But I digress.)

That apology, though quite sensible, will certainly not satisfy the voracious totalitarian appetites of the dedicated fanatics who are calling for Wayne's head. A publicist named Angie Meyer Olszewski told Fox News that what Wayne did as part of his music video was an "atrocity" to "every soldier who's ever fought to protect this great country." She confidently and cheerfully predicted that this "atrocity" will "without a doubt cost him album sales."

According to Fox, people on Twitter called for Wayne to be "locked up" for his heinous actions. John Ziegler, a "media critic and author," decreed that "a boycott here would be perfectly appropriate," though it's "unlikely" that it would have much effect "because his fan base will not see any negative coverage of this act from the news sources they are likely to consume" - code for "Wayne's fans are stupid black people who aren't interested in consuming real news sources and hearing the truth."

Even Wayne's own Facebook fans worked themselves into a frenzy. A brief scan of the replies to his apology reveals one "pissed off Army wife" who hopes this "ends" Wayne's career (177 Likes); an Army veteran who demands that Wayne either "sign up and serve" or "move to Canada or Mexico" (212 Likes); and another veteran who calls Wayne a "sad fucking excuse of a man" who doesn't deserve to be "buried in my country" when he dies (530 Likes). One commenter at USA Today sneered that this proves the Grammy Award-winning rapper "really has no intelligence other than the street smarts of a backyard hood thug."

The cult of flag-worship operates primarily at the grassroots level and it's terrifying in its reach. When the Supreme Court, in 1989 and again in 1990, ruled that desecrating the flag is an expression of free speech and is protected by the First Amendment, it invalidated flag desecration laws in 48 states. This is not just a pet issue for the ultra-right-wing fringe states.

The court decisions did not, by any means, settle the matter. In 2005, the Republican House of Representatives passed with a two-thirds majority a constitutional amendment that would have restored to Congress the power to criminalize flag burning and other physical desecration. It then went to the Senate, where it received 66 votes, one short of the 67 needed to send it to the states, three-fourths of whom would very likely have been more than happy to enshrine it as the new law of the land (in a weird twist, Senator McConnell was one of only three Republicans to vote against it). Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, the chief sponsor of the amendment, warned the dissenting senators that, should they continue resisting this movement to roll back the Bill of Rights, they will be subject to "the wrath of the voters." Hatch was wrong, in the sense that it's doubtful that any senators lost their seats due to their vote, but right on the fundamental point, which is that the public appears to be on his side. A June 2006 CNN poll found that Americans supported the proposed amendment by a margin of 56%-40%. A USA Today/Gallup poll from that same month found also found 56% support for the measure, though that was down from 63% in 1999. The USA Today/Gallup poll did reveal, though, that supporters of the constitutional amendment are far more intense in their views, with 40% of amendment supporters claiming they would be "upset" if it were not passed, and just 20% of opponents reporting that passage of the amendment would make them "upset."

This intensity gap is intuitive; flag desecration is a supremely emotional issue for those who want to reverse the Supreme Court's decision. Free speech advocates, on the other hand, are almost always fighting on multiple fronts, and something like flag desecration typically does not rise very high on the agenda. This is a mistake. The movement to abolish the right to desecrate the flag is one of the most explicitly totalitarian niche movements in the United States. Though it is mostly a grassroots, nationalist movement, it is hardly lacking in institutional credibility. I urge all readers to check out the official U.S. Flag Code, originally enacted by Congress in 1942 and reaffirmed several times since. It decrees that "no disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America," offers eleven precise commands for how to treat the flag, and sternly asserts that "the flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing." Lil' Wayne was apparently stomping on a "living thing" in his music video. We would laugh at this if it emanated from North Korea or some totalitarian state.

As David Morris wrote in a 2005 piece for AlterNet, the "evidence that we literally worship the flag is overwhelming." Flag-worship is, at its core, a tool for ensuring conformity and controlling how people think and act. The U.S. Flag Code also involves meticulous instructions for how to properly behave in the presence of the flag during the National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance (and even, in the case of the former, when the flag it not present: "When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there."). This is simply incompatible with any conception of a free society. Flag culture is very often conflated with the military - see the reactions above to Lil' Wayne's "atrocity" - with the obvious intention of demolishing the distinction between supporting one's country and supporting the military. The casual, widespread submission to all rules and commands relating to the flag, no matter how absurd, is extremely toxic to dissent, free expression, and individuality. Progressives and ostensible supporters of free speech must always stay vigilant on this, which means fighting back against totalitarians who demand, Stalin-like, absolute obedience in the name of the flag, and standing in solidarity with those who dare to break the rules of flag-worship and find themselves targeted by hordes of nationalist lunatics.

{Originally posted at www.justindoolittle.net}

Originally posted to Justin Doolittle on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 02:06 PM PDT.

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  •  we can be both free speech absolutists (6+ / 0-)

    and support some modicum of respect toward the flag.  eg, we can think that Mr. Wayne has a first amendment right to be as much of a douche as he wants.

    that sort of position, I would submit, is perfectly compatible with the sort of vigorous debate that the first amendment protects and encourages.

    •  Agreed (14+ / 0-)

      whoa

      (checks surroundings, looks for wizards and gremlins)

      Um, ok...but here's the thing, though--while both those positions are in fact absolutely compatible with the First Amendment, there are a whole shitload of Americans who do not agree with that under any circumstances whatsoever, when it comes to our flag.

      I've found that frightening for many years now. It's like, they know deep down inside something is wrong with the whole damn country, and has been for decades now, but they can't control actual people, so they'll transfer all that unexpressed angst onto an inanimate object that happens to represent something.

      Or something. That's all I got...

      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

      by lunachickie on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 02:19:57 PM PDT

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      •  pretty much agreed with all that. (3+ / 0-)
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        wizards and gremlins comment included!

      •  Well, actually, the flag is (2+ / 0-)
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        "a living thing" according to the Flag Code.

        •  well yeah (10+ / 0-)

          but that's text postulated by certain persons, who were able to get it enshrined into law. It's not alive. It's a cloth that has a lot of meaning to a lot of people.

          Like I said, it's frightening. L'il Wayne is just another guy making a political statement, as distasteful as it was--but my taste is different than others (for the record, I'm not a fan). He has as much right to do that and call it art as I have to find it disgusting. That's what's so awesome about the First Amendment.

          But it is still frightening to see how people are reduced to grovelling saps because someone might take offense at an ideal represented by an otherwise-inanimate object results in the inanimate object itself being changed, somehow.

          "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

          by lunachickie on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 02:35:27 PM PDT

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        •  sure, according to the unenforceable, (7+ / 0-)

          non-law flag code.  I do agree with lunachickie that the flag code is, in some respects, the psychic repository for some creepy nativist impulses*, but at the same time its not law in any meaningful sense.

          * I moved to OH from NYC a year and change ago, and this has never been so clear.  I've always been the most conservative person in the room, and I liked that.  now that I'm in OH, its a huge shift: I'm inevitably the most liberal in the room, and its weird.  and people are, frankly, fucking crazy.  whether abortion should be banned or just banned in cases other than rape is the sort of casual political debate I'm privy to now, and its fucking weird.

          •  I have relatives in Ohio. (0+ / 0-)

            They're married cousins.  Who apparently donate enough to the GOP that they always have one of those signed pictures of the latest presidential ticket that they always send out in mass amounts on their fridge.

            Certain parts of that state are scary.

            Incidentally, I know I said this here when it first happened, but if anyone remembers, near the end of the presidential campaign, a tweet from John Kerry while he was traveling through Sylvania, OH, and took a pic of a tin man on the side of the road, saying he didn't expect to run into Mitt Romney?  Yeah, that tin man is owned by said relatives.  It's the mascot, of sorts, for their family business.  My parents and I got a good laugh out of that.

    •  he can say and do whatever the hell he wants (1+ / 0-)
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      but that doesn't mean other people have to like it.
      The flag is the symbol of this country, both for those who love it and those who hate it. What people do about itm how they act about it, tells a lot about who they are and what they think about the other people in this country they live with.
      he did the right thing by apologizing--- if he eventually wants to corner those big money Pepsi ads at the SuperBowl

      Happy just to be alive

      by exlrrp on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 04:08:30 PM PDT

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    •  We can also agree that Wayne kinda sucks now (0+ / 0-)

      anyway, so its hilarious to watch a bunch of old white people that wouldn't be caught dead w/ a Will Smith record act like they can boycott him or whatever.

      "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

      by TheHalfrican on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 11:21:57 AM PDT

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  •  A very admirable response. (0+ / 0-)

    I really didn't expect that given his drug reputation.

    What would Mothra do?

    by dov12348 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 02:19:16 PM PDT

  •  Garry Trudeau nailed it (20+ / 0-)

    I think it was Garry Trudeau.

    It's not just the First Amendment: flag worship violates the First Commandment.

    Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

    by Dogs are fuzzy on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 02:56:04 PM PDT

  •  I don't worship the flag... (0+ / 0-)

    but I don't like people disrespecting the symbol of the nation I serve.

    It saddens me that he does not have the common decency to treat the symbol of this nation with respect, that he would let the flag fall to the ground and then walk all over it just so he can make a buck.

    It shows he does not care about the nation or being polite.

    I know several good men from the "hood" who would have died to keep the flag of this nation off the ground and out from under his feet.

    Stupid question hour starts now and ends in five minutes.

    by DrillSgtK on Wed Jun 19, 2013 at 07:17:25 PM PDT

    •  Really? Stomping (9+ / 0-)

      on a piece of cloth as part of a music video "shows he does not care about the nation"?

      •  the flag is a physical symbol of the nation (0+ / 0-)

        how you treat the symbol shows how you feel about the actual thing.

        I don't say we should ban Wayne from doing what he did, but I do feel he was wrong to do it.  He did not hurt anyone, but he showed a lot of disrespect to the nation by the way he treated the symbol of this nation.

        It was his flag, he did not pull it down from some ones home and stomp on it, but it was not very nice what he did.

        Legal? yes, right? no.

        Stupid question hour starts now and ends in five minutes.

        by DrillSgtK on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 09:09:19 AM PDT

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      •  It's not a piece of cloth (0+ / 0-)

        It's an American flag, woven from pieces of cloth.

        In the same way that the Declaration of Independence isn't just a bunch of words thrown together.

        The same way my wedding band isn't just a piece of metal.

        A 47% return on investment--that's pretty doggoned good!

        by deminva on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 10:08:16 AM PDT

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    •  But the flag isn't the nation. It's just a symbol. (2+ / 0-)
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      I know several good men from the "hood" who would have died to keep the flag of this nation off the ground and out from under his feet.
      If they were willing to give their lives it would be for the country that the flag represents, and not for the flag itself, right?

      Why not think of yourself fighting to uphold Lil Wayne's First Amendment right to free speech rather than fighting for the honor of a piece of cloth? That seems more patriotic to me.

      •  Just a symbol (0+ / 0-)

        And symbols are, it seems, unimportant. So I trust all will leap to the defense of my free speech rights in my next music video, which consists of my playing the Star Spangled Banner while trampling an Islamic flag underfoot. Hey!, it's just a crummy little piece of cloth—right?

        •  Is there even an actual "Islamic flag", though? (0+ / 0-)

          I would assume not.  The flags of certain Islamic countries, perhaps.

          That kinda seems like it's treating Muslims as homogeneous.

          Also, what does Islam have to do with this?  Are you one of those people who complains about how biased liberals supposedly are toward Islam?

          I'm actually genuinely asking that last part.  I'm not familiar with you on this site, so I apologize if it comes across as accusatory.

          •  Oddly enough (0+ / 0-)

            it seems there is something called an Islamic flag: http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            Accusatory seems to be a default setting around here, so don't think twice (you may get better advice on this from someone else, however).

            To respond to the question: I was merely using Islam to try to make the point that symbols are not nothing, let alone unimportant, and that in other contexts DK folk have been quite critical of symbolic actions, e.g., that Florida minister who desecrated Korans. My eternal hope is for some consistency in these sort of judgments.

            •  Fair enough. (0+ / 0-)

              That's an interesting link.  Incidentally, after looking it up, it appears there's actually a Christian flag too.  Learn something new every day.

              I understand where you're coming from now.  Though I would argue the Koran isn't the best example, since a religion's holy book, which contains much of the basis of that religion's beliefs, is a bit different than a flag.

              Having said that, I apologize for my somewhat hostile nature last night.  It was pretty late out here, and I'd seen some Islamophobia here fairly recently, so I've been kinda sensitive to that stuff since then, since I don't think Daily Kos is any place for that kind of thing.  I thank you for being understanding, and I hope I didn't cause any offense.

        •  Go right ahead (1+ / 0-)
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          Who do you imagine will stop you?

    •  So someone should go to jail for it? (0+ / 0-)

      I understand that having the flag code at the level of norms and not law must be frustrating since norms can be easily blown off if the person doesn't care about the social sanction that results.

      However, there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory answer to the question "how much jail time for violating the flag code?" even if it were advisable to enforce it.   Under 30 days and that would seem to be a waste of Federal resources.  Over 30 days and that would seem to be excessive.

      I'll always be...King of Bain...I'll always be...King of Bain

      by AZphilosopher on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 10:21:13 AM PDT

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      •  I didn't see anyone suggest... (0+ / 0-)

        ...that someone should  be jailed for abusing a flag.  And the flag code is an unenforceable anachronism.

        I think the point is that just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean that you should do it.  Nobody can stop you, but sometimes you just wind up looking like an ass.

        •  Some of the rhetoric seems to indicate (1+ / 0-)
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          that it should be enforceable.  If someone consciously breaks flag norms, he/she doesn't care if he/she looks like an ass.  I get the feeling that's why there's an extra level of rage.

          So I would argue that the rage behind the breaking of flag norms is prima facie evidence that one does want the flag code enforced.

          I'll always be...King of Bain...I'll always be...King of Bain

          by AZphilosopher on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 10:52:05 AM PDT

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          •  Not in my experience. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not into flags, but I experience something resembling rage, I guess, when I see the Westboro Baptist Church crowd picketing a funeral with their hateful signs.  But, at the same time, I have no desire to criminalize what they're doing. That's because I don't believe there is a right not to be offended or enraged. I think it's just part of the cost of doing business in a free society.

            •  I was speaking specifically about (0+ / 0-)

              the flag subculture.  You explicitly find people advocating flag burning/flag code amendments.

              I've been in a couple of these threads (this thread and the HGTV "flag tablecloth" thread) and it really seems that people do want enforcement.   The "should" in "one should observe the flag code" seems stronger in these threads than "one should observe or receive disapproval".  

              I'll always be...King of Bain...I'll always be...King of Bain

              by AZphilosopher on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:12:14 AM PDT

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              •  Oh, I know they're out there. (1+ / 0-)
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                A majority of Americans, in fact, support the flag "desecration" amendment. I just meant I hadn't seen anyone in this thread suggesting criminal penalties.

                DrillSgtK suggested that it was wrong to treat the flag that way, but added, "I don't say we should ban Wayne from doing what he did, but I do feel he was wrong to do it."  I think that's a pretty unequivocal statement in opposition to criminal penalties.

        •  People on twitter (0+ / 0-)

          wanted Wayne to be "locked up."

    •  In one quote, he made clear it was an accident. (1+ / 0-)
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      Though it falling to the ground obviously was not.  Regardless, what does it matter?  There are quite a lot of government actions that have done more to desecrate the nation for which the flag stands than an army of rappers in boots could ever manage to do, if they spent their whole lives stomping on flags.

    •  I completely agree (0+ / 0-)

      His apology clearly addresses what would and would not be seen in the video, but in the making of the video, our flag is allowed to lie crumpled on the ground, with him walking on it.

      It's a little like saying Our movie shows no animals being hurt -- although we did hurt animals in the making of the movie.

      I'm not a flag idolator, but I do respect it, and the Lil Wayne and the makers of his video treated an American flag with blatant disrespect.

      A 47% return on investment--that's pretty doggoned good!

      by deminva on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 10:06:01 AM PDT

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  •  If Repugs Control Both Houses of Congress (3+ / 0-)

    One of the first things they will try to pass is a Flag Amendment into the Constitution and it will most likely succeed, because a lot of Dem cowards will go along with it.

  •  Note to Christian Conservatives (5+ / 0-)

    Flag Worship is Idolatry. Pledging allegiance to an inanimate object/flag isl idolatry.

    Technically, the Christian community should join us in stomping out flagism with a big old flag burning ceremony. We could do a parade and hand out commemorative matches and stuff. We could do it on July 5, after retrieving all those discarded idols/flags from dumpsters following the annual 4th of July flag orgy. I see marketing opportunities everywhere.

    "It was a bright cold day in April and the clocks were striking thirteen."

    by easmachine on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 03:21:18 AM PDT

  •  I sure as HELL know how to get publicity for (3+ / 0-)

    my next liberal book!!

    Ayn is the bane! Take the Antidote To Ayn Rand and call your doctor in the morning: You have health insurance now! @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 05:05:06 AM PDT

  •  The least of it (6+ / 0-)

    Sure, it's disrespectful to the flag to let it touch the ground, and even worse to step on it. If you subscribe to that kind of weird idolatry. But it's worse to sit on it (flag beach towels?), sleep & have sex on it (flag sheets and pillows) and far worse to cut it up and turn it into t-shirts, tank tops and other assorted clothing.

  •  I like Denmark's law (6+ / 0-)

    In Denmark it is illegal to desecrate the flag of a foreign country, but not illegal to desecrate the Danish flag. From Wikipedia:

    The reasoning of parliament was: the burning of foreign flags falls into the realm of foreign policy, as the burning of the flag of another country could be understood as a threat to that country. The burning of the Dannebrog, on the other hand, does not concern foreign countries, does not fall under foreign affairs, and so remains legal.

    “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

    by se portland on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 06:40:09 AM PDT

  •  When I was a youth (4+ / 0-)

    in the 1950s, the TV and movie shows about cowboys and Indians had the cavalry riding in under the American flag and we were supposed to cheer and be thrilled - while the Native Americans were supposed to be slaughtered off. That flag was the symbol of slave owners and stealers of native lands. Wrap your mind around what it means to the families of victims of the cavalry and their descendants to have someone tell you the flag is a living thing that should be worshipped. Not just a false god, it seems demonic to me. YMMV.

  •  As a rational human being (3+ / 0-)

    This flag fetish some have is completely perplexing. To hear some people talk about it, you would think Moses came down off the mountain waving it with one hand while he cradled the ten commandments in the other. I guess it's like what Napoleon said, something to the effect that he can get men to go kill and die for bits of ribbon and metal.

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 08:52:32 AM PDT

  •  When did the flag become a religious symbol? (2+ / 0-)
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    This isn't a rhetorical question... I really would like to know if someone has written a book about this.

      I was in the Boy Scouts as a kid, and I can tell  you I was weirded out by their 'sacred' treatment of the flag.  Mind you, I was raised in Catholic schools, so I recognized a 'religious icon' when I saw the 'reverent behavior.'  

      But my question is:  When did it become such a religious symbol?  Can anyone point me to book sources?

     Thanks.

     

    "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, every post WWII US President would have been hanged." =Chomsky

    by abenjaminc on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 09:18:04 AM PDT

  •  As George Carlin said... (4+ / 0-)

    ..."I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags.  I consider them to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded."

  •  HA HA. I was just at a BX on an Air Force Base (3+ / 0-)

    where they sell folding chairs with the flag on the chair back and seat. Probably made in China. So you can get drunk and fart through the flag.
    I'm outraged, I tell ya. :-PPPPPP
    Old Gory:

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes

    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 10:38:23 AM PDT

  •  He's free to step on the flag... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...and people are free to be outraged and protest about it. That's what the First Amendment is all about.  

    The same goes for all that Koran burning nonsense that went on a while ago as well. It's only the people who are outraged that changes.

    I wonder if a wing nut blows up some building over anger about the disrespect shown to the flag, if people will blame Lil' Wayne?

    Black Holes Suck.

    by Pi Li on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:33:50 AM PDT

  •  Flag worshippers; (1+ / 0-)
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    Get a life.

    "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

    by rocksout on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 03:12:07 PM PDT

  •  It’s still taboo to touch the flag. (0+ / 0-)

    It’s still taboo to touch the flag.
    Only yesterday you couldn’t get even crazy ass American hating radicals to deface the flag. At demonstrations I’ve seen radicals rescue the flag out the hands of other radicals… But the times they are a changing

  •  Lil' Wayne is what color? (2+ / 0-)
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    Oh. Right.

    I'm not a great fan of his music. But I'm heading over to iTunes to buy a couple of songs.

    He explained himself, and offered an apology. but the way I see it, his song is political. Political art is often controversial. If it isn't, then it's not really challenging the status quo. Instead of being outraged about how a rapper treats a piece of cloth, perhaps we should be a little more outraged about how this country treats kids in inner city neighborhoods.

    Or is is stepping on a flag more outrageous than stop and frisk in New York, murder rates in Chicago and New Orleans, and the fact that a black man in America has an approx 25-30% of being incarcerated?

    Boycott?

    Screw that.

    I think I'll buy the whole cd.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 07:57:45 PM PDT

    •  did you miss the part about Lil Wayne's (0+ / 0-)

      "beat pussy like Emmet Till" gaffe? And all the other lyrics which, imo, contribute substantially to the murder rates you mention?

      Yeah, just what the Hood needs is more Lil Waynes. Not.

      His song "Promise" was DIRECTLY tied to the murder of Hadiya Pendleton.

  •  "boycot"? LOL whn did teapartiers listen to LW (1+ / 0-)
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    to begin with to even contemplate a boycott

  •  I can handle the flag desecration (0+ / 0-)

    Tacky, sure. Not the way I would express my discontent with this country's politics.

    But the flag business is a distraction.

    This and this kind of shit is what I object to, and vehemently.

    He is an idiot. And his refusal to accept accountability for the actions he's taken (in the interest of self-aggrandizement, lining his own pockets, etc.) is having the same sort of "stochastic" violence effect as any Rush Limbaugh or other tea bagger.

    Actually, it's having a BIGGER effect. Most young people I know from the "Hood" (and I know a lot of them) have never even heard of Rush Limbaugh.

    (FTR: In the early 80's, when this country bombed Libya, I was on the streets of Europe BURNING American flags....but really, to sing/talk even THINK about "beating pussy like Emmett Till"??? Um, no. Not from Lil Wayne, not from anyone.)

    Back in the day, John Prine sang about how "your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore." Well, as far as I'm concerned, your "rapper" card shouldn't get you off the hook anymore either.

  •  I don't love flag-stomping and think there's (1+ / 0-)
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    Justin Doolittle

    just as much of a right to speak out against it as there is to stomp on it, burn it, etc.

    That being said, I don't think 'desecrating' the flag should be illegal whatsoever and would go to bat for anyone who was being legally persecuted or illegally harassed over it.

    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

    by GoGoGoEverton on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 01:00:13 PM PDT

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