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I just wanted to share my experiences and some good advice about swimming safety.

I keep reading in the New Jersey news about young people drowning. So I wrote this for everyone, everywhere.

Rip Tides (current)

An extremely strong channel of water flowing seaward from near the shore (see photos), through the surf line. National Weather Service-Rip Current Safety

Typical flow is at 0.5 metres per second (1–2 feet per second), and can be as fast as 2.5 metres per second (8 feet per second).

Rip Current

I grew up in Bayonne and Southern New Jersey (Brick Town. About 20 miles from Seaside Heights Boardwalk) and spent every summer swimming in its ocean and occasionally in its lakes. But mostly in the ocean.

I've swam at beaches, from Point Pleasant to Atlantic City.

The ocean is not a place for an inexperienced swimmer, no matter how calm it looks.

If caught in an outgoing tide; or rip tide, Don't Try To Swim In To The Shore. SWIM SIDEWAYS FROM ONE SIDE OF THE BEACH TO THE OTHER. Rip tides are sudden and are only in parts of the water.

Don't panic. If you swim sideways you will swim out of the rip tide affected water. It's impossible to fight the tide and try to swim in. It will just keep pulling you out further

The ocean may look beautiful, inviting and fun, but it can also be very dangerous for anyone who is not a strong swimmer. If you don't swim really good. Swim in the motel pool and stay in the shallow end. Pools can be dangerous too!

Never Mix Alcohol/Drugs With Activities Near Or In The Water!

Always wear a life jacket (swim vest), if you are not an experienced swimmer and always, when boating.

Teach Children To Swim!

Children's Swim Vests

Adult's Swim Vests

(I have no interests in these above companies. I just wanted to provide some links where economical swim vests were available).

Use caution when swimming in lakes, rivers, streams and generally everywhere.
Riverbeds, streams etc, often contain tree roots and other debris that a swimmer can get caught on.  

The fresh water, unlike the salt water of the ocean, doesn't provide any buoyancy which helps you to float.

Buoyancy Salt Water vs. Fresh Water by Chris Sullivan
Also, the mud bottoms can pull one down.

Always wear a bathing suit when swimming (or at the most, cotton shorts and a tee shirt). Do Not wear heavy clothing, like jeans. You'll sink like a stone!

When in a desperate situation in the water you do not need an extra 8 pounds (aprox weight of a wet pair of jeans) pulling you down!

I learned how to swim by age five using a swim/life vest. I still almost drowned in a lake, once when I was a teenager.

I was just wading and stepped into a drop (also called a dip). The next thing I knew, I was over my head and going down.

I was wearing jeans and they became heavy as lead and were pulling me under and that was it!

Luckily I had the time to tear them off and then I managed to struggle back up to the surface.

At the time I was surrounded by people close enough to almost touch me. But apparently no one saw me go under.

I am a most experienced swimmer. If I can almost drown, anyone can!

NEVER SWIM, WHERE THERE IS NO LIFEGUARD PRESENT AND NEVER SWIM ALONE!

And Never jump into unfamiliar water. As well as never dive into unfamiliar water.

One never knows how deep the water is, local and current tide strength, whether it's full of large rocks and other hazards that one can hit.

And Never, Drink And Drive!

Mothers Against Drunk Driving/Quotations

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Make a Plan and Stick to the Plan!

Peace
ga

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Hi Joe
"Momma's take their daughters in whenever we go out". Very funny, you guys.
Gotta Love Them!

Thank You All♥
Thank a Soldier, Marine, Sailor, Airmen, Our Women Troops, Our Veterans, And Give Them A Hug Too!


Prayer Wheel For Our Troops
Lord Hold Our Troops In Your Great Hands, Protect Them, As They Protect Us
The average age of the Military Man is 19 years.
He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy.

He's a recent High School graduate, drives a ten year old jalopy. He listens to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz and can swing a 155mm howitzer.

He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when He was at home because He is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.

He digs foxholes and can apply first aid like a professional.

He can march until He is told to stop, or stop until He is told to march.

He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but He is not without spirit or individual dignity.

He is self-sufficient.

He has two sets of fatigues: He washes one and wears the other.
He can cook His own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix His own hurts.

If you're thirsty, He'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, His food.
He'll even split His ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.

He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay, and still find ironic humor in it all.

He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through His body while at rigid attention, while tempering the desire to "square-away" those around Him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking.

In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, He defends their right to be disrespectful. Just as did His Father, Grandfather, and Great-
grandfather. He is paying the price for our freedom.

He is not a boy.

He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years.
He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding.
Remember Him, always, for He Has earned our respect and admiration.

And now we even have Women over there in danger, doing Their part.

As you go to bed tonight, remember this image.
A short lull, a little shade and a picture of loved ones in their helmets.

Prayer wheel for our Military please don't break it.
Please send this on after a short prayer
.

Prayer Wheel
Lord, Hold Our Troops In Your Loving Hands.
Protect Them As They Protect Us. Bless Them And Their Families For The Selfless Acts They Perform For Us In Our Time Of Need. Amen
When you read this, please stop for a moment and say a Prayer for our Ground Troops in Afghanistan and everywhere, Sailors on ships, and Airmen
in the air.

This can be very powerful.
Of all the gifts you could give a US Soldier, Sailor, Coast Guardsman, Marine,
or Airman, Prayer is the very best one. Pass this on to everyone.

(This prayer wheel, was sent to me in an e-mail by a very nice lady.Thanks Nora).

Have A Great Memorial Day!

Peace
ga

Originally posted to rebel ga on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 06:00 PM PDT.

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  •  There often is no life guard (12+ / 0-)

    But I agree don't swim alone and never let small children anywhere near even the smallest amount of water without watching them every second.  A toddler can drown in just a few inches of water even a back yard water feature.  

  •  Hey Rebel Ga! (5+ / 0-)

    I grew up in New Jersey too! I have fond memories of Point Pleasant, and I know it was hit really hard by the Sandy. My father's house was pretty much destroyed.

    I have not been back there in while, I hear things are really different, even the landscape.

    I hope you and your family is doing well.

    "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

    by ranger995 on Sun May 26, 2013 at 09:25:45 AM PDT

    •  I really need to review my posts before posting (2+ / 0-)
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      them.

      I hope you and your family ARE doing well.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Sun May 26, 2013 at 09:36:49 AM PDT

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    •  Learned to body-surf at Point Pleasant, Seaside, & (5+ / 0-)

      Bayhead, which made for a lot of face-plants because the beaches are so steep.  Being a dumb young punk I would often swim & ride alone off those beaches after the lifeguards had left.  My subconcious punished me, though -- for decades afterward I would have a recurring nightmare of being drowned by a huge rogue wave.  

      "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

      by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sun May 26, 2013 at 09:44:47 AM PDT

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      •  That scares me too Oliver. (4+ / 0-)

        I remember those waves.

        The ocean is no place to be swimming without Lifeguards.

        Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

        by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 10:28:01 AM PDT

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        •  That's why a new vogue in diving puzzles me -- (5+ / 0-)

          solo, no-buddy diving. Though I'm really comfortable diving, that seems nuts to me.  However, if you talk to enough dive-masters, you find out that a lot of even the more seemingly sensible ones do it all the time.  Can you say, "Hubris"?

                 My favorite dive place is Bonaire & a few years ago a tourist diving alone in shallow water right in front of his resort totally disappeared after he submerged while waving to his wife who was on the resort dock.  If that can happen there, it can happen anywhere.  (Sharks are as common on the resort side of Bonaire as communists on Wall St.  So it probably wasn't Jaws that got the guy.)

          "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

          by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:43:12 AM PDT

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          •  I'm an advanced diver (2+ / 0-)
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            and I would never dream of diving without a buddy.

            •  I am a long time SCUBA diver (3+ / 0-)

              and am a firm believer in the buddy system, even for a short shore dive. Diving by yourself is very dangerous. Too many flukey things can happen. You need your buddy.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:25:46 AM PDT

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              •  For Sure VClib (3+ / 0-)
                Absolutely, no one should ever scuba dive alone.
                Same thing with swimming. The buddy system is necessary because strangers a few feet away may not notice if one is in trouble. But a buddy will.

                Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

                by rebel ga on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:46:47 AM PDT

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              •  Do as I say, not as I do (1+ / 0-)
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                I was a NAUI Scuba instructor in HAwaii in the 1970s. Among other things I took and escorted tourists on dive cruises. I got to most of the really great dive spots in HI.
                (Mokokini, Kona, Kahoolawe, Cathedrals off LAnai, etc)
                We always taught the buddy system but in reality if I had to have a buddy to go everywhere I wouldn't get many places.

                I hate to say it but I dove a lot by myself, tho I don't recommend it for everyone. I used to dive for my dinner at night right at the mouth of Ala Wai harbor, off of MAgic Island. would get big bugs and parrot fish and I mean right at the Ewa end of Waikiki.
                the scariest part was walking through the park afterwards.

                I also worked as a commercial diver there in Hi and offshore Louisiana. I was working alone a lot there too. Doing anode changes on drill rigs 100' deep, or jetting mud on pipelines dark as hell and then something big bumps against you. Creepy! And once again you hope that God woke up on your side that morning.
                 I only did that for big money---$200 bucks a day at the time. (late 70s)

                I certainly don't recommend it but I got so used to being underwater then it was like being on land. HI is great for diving (but not like the Bahamas.)
                I've done other risky things. Don't be like me

                Happy just to be alive

                by exlrrp on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 06:30:40 PM PDT

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      •  Body surfing at The Wedge (2+ / 0-)
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        As a high school and college student I would very frequently body surf at The Wedge, a famous spot in Newport Beach, CA. It too had high waves, particularly in the fall, and would break into about three feet of water. People die there and many others receive life altering injuries such as broken necks. I had my share of face plants but also the good luck that I was never injured.

        However, I can still close my eyes and see a vision of my body gliding through a curl for 75 yards. If you caught the right wave, it was something really magical.

        More about the Wedge:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:23:38 AM PDT

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        •  I used to work on the Windward side of Oahu (1+ / 0-)
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          At least the office of the construction company was there in Kahaluu.
          After work if I was on that side, at 3:30 when I got off work I'd hit Makapuu.
          This is the Worlds Champion Body surfing beach. its not only a terrific beach, its one of the prettiest places on the island. Also had another cultural context: they filmed some of From Here To Eternity right here and close to here
          This was in the days before boogie boards completely took over.  All the kids from 'Nalo High would be down there after school. This the place the locals go.
          I had a big '68 Galaxy convertible, made it easy to meet nice people (gas: 52 cts/gal, sigh)

          this is the best body surfing I was ever at and I love doing it. The next beach down the road, Sandy, was nothing to compare.

          Happy just to be alive

          by exlrrp on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 06:43:42 PM PDT

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    •  Hi Ranger, (4+ / 0-)

      Thanks for the Rec and Tip.

      I lived in Brick Town grades 2 through 7.

      Point Pleasant was one of the beaches we always went to.

      Seaside Heights Boardwalk was so fabulous back in the fifties and early sixties. They had a great pizza stand right in the middle of the boardwalk.

      I moved back to Northern NJ when I was in the eighth grade. Bayonne.

      My Sister lives about 2 miles from the Mantoloking Bridge, on a lagoon.

      Every place around her was torn up, but she just had the smallest amount of damage.

      So sorry about your Father's house.

      The shore is beautiful. I would move back there. I love the sea.

      Like I said in the diary, I've been swimming in the ocean since I was a child, (about age 8 or 9). Swam in my Sister's lagoon before that.

      I was the kid out swinging on the ropes, way out.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 09:47:09 AM PDT

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  •  thanks - (6+ / 0-)

    reminders of safety around the water are too rare - I found the following piece to be very informative (and surprising that more people didn't know): what drowning really looks like

  •  Great Diary but I'd add teach children to swim! (3+ / 0-)
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    Every year too many children, particularly minority children drown because they do not know how to swim.  

    Bless his soul Cullen Jones Olympic gold medalist in swimming has teamed up with USA Swimming to campaign for swimming lessons for minority children.  Apparently a drowning scare as a small child propelled Cullen's parents to give him swimming lessons and boy oh boy did he take to it.  So now he's paying it forward so to speak.

    •  I was a lifeguard in the '60's at the enormous* (3+ / 0-)
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      pool at the Olympic Park amusement park in Irvington, which closed in 1966.  In two years I had to pull out over 110 people who were going down or in big trouble -- and we didn't exactly act with a hair trigger to go after a "pull"  since we were pretty jaded about being a heroic lifeguard because multiple pulls were an everyday occurrence.

             Most of the people we pulled out were adults -- a lot of adults back then had just never really learned to swim.  The park itself, though, had a huge Red Cross teaching program for kids every weekday morning for an admission of something like a nickle, dime, or quarter.  Of course, they made a profit on it because it was taught almost exclusively by unpaid, mid-teen Water Safety Aides (one of whom was later my wife for 40 years).  It was a damn shame for Maplewood, Irvington, & Newark that the place failed.

      *At least 150 X 300 ft. It was so big that it had a maybe 100 sq. ft. anchored "island" in the middle of the deep end and a row boat for skimming in the AM and for getting "drowning" people back to shore whom the guards had pulled to the island instead of back to the poolside:  sometimes big adults would be so belligerent or panicked that, by the time you got them under control, you were so tired that pulling them to the nearest solid ground instead of all the way back to the side was the better part of valor.  

      "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

      by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:31:09 AM PDT

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      •  My Dad grew up in Irvington! (3+ / 0-)

        After my dad's parents lost their house in Maplewood to the bank during the Great Depression, they moved to an apartment in Irvington.  Grandma spent the rest of her life in Irvington.

        •  My Dad lived in Irvington for years before he was (3+ / 0-)
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          married & then moved back at the end of his life at Winchester Gardens "retirement community" (or is that in Maplewood?).  A lot of my friends in HS (at Seton Hall Prep in S. Orange) & from Olympic Park were from Irvington, which was an incredibly diverse town then, including a lot of refugees from Eastern Europe -- Hungary, the Ukraine, etc.

                 The Olympic Park pool was also an amazing melting pot by any standards because it was basically the only big public pool available for working-class families & kids from major parts of Irvington, Newark, and Union, other than the "Jewish" swim club in Union or the "Catholic" country club in Maplewood, etc.;  and of course there was no formal segregation of any kind at the Park.  

                  I'm sure lots of the customers of every ethnicity were full of various prejudices, but the setting just seemed to militate against their ever breaking out into any significant conflict.   It made the racial violence all over the country in that era seem odd in comparison, even though I knew intellectually that the situation at the pool was the oddity.  Like I said, it was a real loss to the surrounding communities when it was closed & sold in 1966.  The world could still use a lot more places like it.

          "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

          by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sun May 26, 2013 at 02:35:56 PM PDT

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          •  heh, Dad went to Seton Hall prep too. (1+ / 0-)
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            A lot of the professors from Seton Hall college who weren't able to fight in WWII ended up teaching at the prep school so my dad had college professors teaching him in high school.

            It was a very different world back then.  My dad finished second in his class but never considered Ivy League schools because they wouldn't take very many "ethnic" students and no scholarships.  So he went to Fordam in The Bronx on an Army Air Corps (soon to be Air Force ;-) scholarship.

            Grandma got stuck on a crosstown bus in Newark during the riots, the bus driver abandoned the passengers leaving them to fend for themselves.  Dad and his brothers convinced her it was time to retire from her insurance company job.

            By the end of her life she witnessed great change in her old neighbor, but with time she came to see the working class blacks in her building as friends and neighbors.

            •  When did your Dad graduate from "The Prep"? (0+ / 0-)

              My brother graduated in 1955, me in 1964.  I was also second in my class but also too parochial to apply to an Ivy League school, even though a friend of mine -- Dennis Murphy & thus  about as "ethnic" as could be -- went to Harvard and tried for a couple of college years to get me to transfer there from Holy Cross.  More fool me, I didn't.

                    I remember driving past many armored personnel carriers on my way from Millburn to East Orange for my summer job in 1967 & how terrified during the riots were the kids from Newark for whom my girlfriend was the counselor in an Upward Bound or some such program in Convent Station at St. E.'s.  Strange times, indeed, Mama.  

              "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

              by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sun May 26, 2013 at 05:14:34 PM PDT

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              •  He was there in the 1940s (1+ / 0-)
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                Hence the professors teaching the high school students -- the college students were there, they were all in the military fighting WWII. My dad returned from his Air Force service in the late 50s and was working on his Ph.D at NYU though he never finished because he got married to mom and he took a job near Boston by 1961.

                I do think by the late 50s or 60s the Ivies became more diverse but apparently not in my father's Day.

                I haven't been back to the area in about 20 years since friends in Union sold their house and moved away.

      •  P.S. The Olympic Park pool is in "Portnoy's (0+ / 0-)

        Complaint" in Portnoy's memory of having swum there as a young kid directly into a floating human turd.  As a somewhat subsequent college-kid lifeguard there who made extra bucks by putting in pre-opening hours cleaning up the place, I can strenuously attest to the strenuous versimilitude of Roth's break-through novel.  It didn't happen every day, but it wasn't exactly once in a Blue Moon either.  

        "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

        by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sun May 26, 2013 at 05:30:35 PM PDT

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    •  That's a great idea, Thanks akeitz. (2+ / 0-)
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      I added it.

      teach children to swim

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:37:25 AM PDT

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    •  My father's youngest brother died (3+ / 0-)
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      in a pond with no one able to pull him out, while my father in his early teens ran for help.

      My father insisted that we learn to swim as soon as we could walk.

      When you come to find how essential the comfort of a well-kept home is to the bodily strength and good conditions, to a sound mind and spirit, and useful days, you will reverence the good housekeeper as I do above artist or poet, beauty or genius.

      by Alexandra Lynch on Sun May 26, 2013 at 02:40:57 PM PDT

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  •  This advice may save your life (4+ / 0-)

    In an earlier part of my life, I've presided over a few lifeless bodies on the beach.  A healthy respect of the water goes a long way.  Don't ever push yourself past your own physical limitations in water that you can't retreat from in under 30 seconds.  Don't ever mix water with alcohol.  Always swim with someone.  Good diary.

    •  That's All Good Advice Angryallen (2+ / 0-)
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      Don't ever push yourself past your own physical limitations in water that you can't retreat from in under 30 seconds.
      Don't ever mix water with alcohol.  
      Always swim with someone
      .
      Thanks.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 10:38:49 AM PDT

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  •  Yup.... (3+ / 0-)
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    Always went to the ocean as a kid, I was like a little fish, couldn't get enough of the ocean, never had any fear of the water.  My Mom took me to swimming lessons as soon as possible.  Grew up to teach swimming.
    Yet....
    I went waterskiing in my teens and was made to wear a life vest, didn't wanna, but it was insisted upon.  I fell hard, like hitting a brick wall, and had the wind knocked out of me.  If it hadn't been for that vest, I wouldn't be writing this today.  That taught me a very valuable lesson.  I still love the water, and swimming and don't have a fear of water, but....
    While swimming is a wonderful sport, always be wary.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Sun May 26, 2013 at 10:32:01 AM PDT

    •  Thanks Lilyvt (3+ / 0-)
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      Yes, always be careful in the water.

      You wanted to water ski without a swim vest?

      Guess you'd never water skied before.

      I've never water skied, my Mother wouldn't let me. She wouldn't let me dive either said diving was too dangerous. But I too swim like a fish.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 10:50:32 AM PDT

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      •  Yup.... (3+ / 0-)
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        Remember, I was in my teens, I was invincible.
        I was very new to water-skiing, so yes, I was VERY lucky I had someone with me who was knowledgeable AND insistent on water safety.
        Had my mother known about my waterski event....well, that's another story!
        My parents were both sorta jocks and encouraged my brother and me to enjoy sports, which we did, though my preference was more towards the warm weather outdoors kind (as opposed to my mother's life long love - into her 80's - of snow skiing, which I enjoyed except it was too darn cold!).

        I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

        by Lilyvt on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:18:37 AM PDT

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    •  Lilyvt - a great lesson (3+ / 0-)
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      of why any activity where you are being pulled by a boat, or water craft, you must wear a vest.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:45:48 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks For All The Rec's And Tips Everyone. (1+ / 0-)
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    Just wanted to share this because these guys can really dance. It's one of my favorite videos. It's loud you might want to turn your sound down.

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    by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:07:53 AM PDT

  •  Many old ideas repeated . (1+ / 0-)
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    NEVER SWIM, WHERE THERE IS NO LIFEGUARD PRESENT AND NEVER SWIM ALONE!
    No thank you , I'll swim when and where I like , with or without others around .
    Do Not wear heavy clothing, like jeans. You'll sink like a stone!
    I was wearing jeans and they became heavy as lead and were pulling me under and that was it!
    This isn't true . Jeans under water wet , don't weigh anymore that jeans above water dry .
    The mud bottoms can pull one down.
    Mud bottoms do not pull one down .
    The fresh water; unlike the salt water of the ocean, doesn't provide any buoyancy which helps you to float.
    The change in the density isn't something really noticeable from normal salt water to fresh water . If you were to put a Plimsoll Line on a human body , the salt and fresh lines would be very close together . Very rarely will a person go from slightly positively buoyant in salt water to slight negative in fresh water .

    Signed
    A Surfer / sailor / scuba diver , who has rescued people from the water .

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    by indycam on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:14:16 AM PDT

    •  Sorry Indie, (3+ / 0-)
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      You can do anything you want.

      I wrote this diary to try and keep young inexperienced swimmers from drowning.

      I almost drowned in jeans in a lake. So I know how heavy they get.

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      by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:26:31 AM PDT

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      •  ... (0+ / 0-)
        I almost drowned in jeans in a lake. So I know how heavy they get.
        The psychology of fear can lead people to believe what is not true to be true .

        Telling people that jeans will get as heavy as lead
        could cause people to believe that they are being held down
        by their jeans , put a panic into them that could cause problems .
        Irrational fear can kill .
        Putting info out that can cause irrational fear can cause real problems .

        If you wish to see the reality of the weight of jeans in water , take a pair of dry jeans , weigh them dry with a fisherman's  scale ,
        http://assets.academy.com/...
        then lower them into water and see the weight of them under water .
        The weight under water isn't lead like .

        Don't confuse the wet weight above water with the wet weight below water .

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        by indycam on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:52:48 AM PDT

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        •  indie, do I come to your diaries (5+ / 0-)

          and argue with you? No, I do not.

          You are not an expert. I know what I'm saying. Forget that psychological stuff. I'm talking about not drowning.

          When one is drowning the only reality is getting back up to the surface and out of the water!

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          by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 08:40:48 PM PDT

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          •  If you repeat things that are not true (1+ / 0-)
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            things that can cause problems ...

            indie, do I come to your diaries
            and argue with you? No, I do not.
            So you don't want a discussion ? You want your diary to be unchallenged and taken as the truth ?
            You are not an expert. I know what I'm saying.
            Care to put money on that ? Are you willing to put money where your mouth is ?
            When one is drowning the only reality is getting back up to the surface and out of the water!
            Do you scuba dive ? Do you free dive ? Have you ever been to / seen / been around a decompression chamber ?
            Have you ever saved a person from drowning ?

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            Forget that psychological stuff. I'm talking about not drowning.
            Forget that "psychological stuff" ? Panic kills . Panic is that "psychological stuff". Clear thinking sans panic is what is safe and sane . Irrational fear , fear that is unnecessary , fear that endangers , fear that is a killer , is something to avoid . People who put irrational fears into others , need pushing back on .

            If someone goes into the water with jeans on and they spend any time dealing with a non problem like

            You'll sink like a stone!
            I was wearing jeans and they became heavy as lead and were pulling me under and that was it!
            instead of dealing with what is really going on , they will be distracted based on fears that are unfounded . While dealing with non problems they can get into real problems .

            I've owned boats , I own a boat now .
            I've owned surfboards , I own surfboards now .
            I've owned scuba gear , I own scuba gear now .
            I have surfed , dived and sailed for many many years .
            I've been trained and had decades of experience in and around water .

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            by indycam on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:11:09 AM PDT

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        •  They may not weigh much more, but they add a lot (2+ / 0-)
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          of resistance. There is a reason why swim and dive attire is tight fitting and not billowy. Jeans may not add a lot to your actual weight, but they can add a lot of drag.  When the margin between safe and dead is very narrow, you don't need factors that tip the scale the wrong way.

          There's also a difference between sowing fear and creating awareness. If you know to expect that your mobility might be lessened by your clothing, you are in a better position to think clearly and remove it. You have lots of experience so you can make some of these life saving decisions subconsciously. For someone who doesn't have the background, this info helps.

          It's always appropriate to suggest caution; people can ignore if they wish. Suggesting that people ignore precautions regardless of their experience level is a bad idea.

      •  Typo, Sorry indy, spelled your name wrong. (2+ / 0-)
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        indycam.

        None the less, You are not the only Sailor in the wold.

        My Father was in the Navy in WWI. Stationed in the Irish Sea. Not a good place to be.

        I learned to swim at age 5 as mentioned in my diary.

        First they let me learn how to swim really good with a swim vest, later they took it away and threw me in the lagoon. Of course good swimmers were there to get me, but I swam.

        Write your own diary on the subject if you're so interested.

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        by rebel ga on Mon May 27, 2013 at 06:59:32 AM PDT

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      •  The water "in the jeans" is neutral buoyancy (0+ / 0-)

        the difference in buoyancy between fresh and saltwater IS quite noticeable to me. Most humans have positive buoyancy in fresh water though.

  •  It's My Right (1+ / 0-)
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    It is my right to swim alone in the ocean and when there is no lifeguard on duty.

    It is also my right not to wear any life jackets.

  •  It is also my right to smoke 3 packs of (4+ / 0-)

    unfiltered Camels and drink a fifth of Jack Daniels every day.  Ain't America great?

          I can't tell whether your post is serious or TIC.  But it sounds similar to what motorcyclists say about helmet laws.  As a neuropsychologist who tested his share of mashed brains produced by accidents where the cyclist was not wearing a helmet, I'd say, "Fine, do your thang as long as you sign a release agreeing to pay all of your consequent medical expenses out of pocket.  Personally, I don't feel like paying for your cognitive stew of stupidity and bravado."

    "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

    by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sun May 26, 2013 at 02:48:55 PM PDT

    •  Agree (0+ / 0-)

      It is my right to swim in the ocean in the middle of the night with no lifeguards or anyone else around and it is motorcyclists' right to not wear a helmet.

      It is not the government's job to protect us from ourselves.

      If something bad happens, then we deal with the consequences.  So I might drown in the ocean by myself and a motorcyclist my die without a helmet or become braindead (and his medical expenses arepaid out of pocket).

  •  I almost died swimming at an unguarded beach (3+ / 0-)
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    in San Diego County, California, a few decades ago. Got caught in a rip tide and could not swim ashore. Fortunately I knew to swim parallel to shore until I found an area without a strong rip tide, and I survived. And fortunately I was a strong swimmer in good shape.

  •  Living near Lake Michigan, we take rip currents (2+ / 0-)
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    very seriously.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:01:18 AM PDT

  •  Another point to mention... (3+ / 0-)
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    If you're vacationing in a different part of the country, make sure you're aware of LOCAL aquatic dangers. Jumping in a lake or river in NJ comes with very different dangers than jumping into one in say... Florida or Louisiana. Research if you're going to enjoy nature while on a vacation please. Know what to look for including venomous snakes, plant dangers, insects, alligators, sharks, jelly fish, and other flora and fauna. Also, make sure you have appropriate first aid tools with you, this includes if you're going on hikes, or even to a park. It's not uncommon in some areas to find a coral snake or rattler in one's back yard, let alone off in wooded areas.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:22:17 AM PDT

    •  Thank You FloridaSNMOM (2+ / 0-)
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      Every thing you said is very important. I'm so glad I'm getting so much positive input here. I'm learning new things myself.

      I learned to stay away from the water after I almost drowned in a lake at age 20.

      I'm not a nature type person. But swam a lot as a child on the Jersey Shore.

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      by rebel ga on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:21:42 AM PDT

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  •  The Great Lakes (3+ / 0-)

    can and do produce rip currents and undertows that will pull an unwary swimmer away from the beach. People drown every year at beaches along the Lake Michigan shore of the lower peninsula, in spite of warning signs.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:32:25 AM PDT

  •  30 years ago I worked as a lifeguard (2+ / 0-)
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    I was an outstanding swimmer.  I've rescued many people from oceans and pools.  I was there when we lost a few, too.  That's very sad to see.  The most recent was just a few years ago while on vacation with my family on an unguarded beach in Miami.  By the time we got him out, he was blue and foaming from the mouth.  My 5 year old sat and watched her dad pound on his chest for 20 minutes before emts came.  She earned the water's respect that day.

    When I was 17, it was almost my turn.  For people familiar with the sunset festival on the pier in Key West, you'll know it can get a little crazy.  I was one of the immortal imbeciles who dove off that pier.  The currents were the strongest I've ever experienced, before or since.  I was lucky just to be able to hold on to the piling long enough for a rope to come down.  Totally my fault for entering unfamiliar water in a reckless way.

    •  Thank You ngryallen (2+ / 0-)
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      That's another good point. Never jump into unfamiliar water. As well as never dive into unfamiliar water.

      When diving; one never knows how deep the water is, as you said, current strength, whether it's full of debris that one can hit and much more.

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      by rebel ga on Mon May 27, 2013 at 06:42:18 PM PDT

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  •  Coming late to this (1+ / 0-)
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    But, really, trying to wriggle  out of jeans while in the water sounds nearly impossible. They get stiff and hard to manipulate.  I'd probably drown from the effort of taking them off.

    I agree with Indycam about the issue of wearing pants while swimming. It would be shame if someone in peril in the water would waste any energy struggling out of jeans because they thought jeans would cause them to sink like lead.  

    Wet jeans on shore may seem to weigh a ton  (that's metaphorically speaking; actually I'd be surprised if fully saturated jeans weighed even as much as 8.3 pounds more than dry ones - that would be a whole gallon's worth of adsorbed water which seems unlikely), but in the water any added "water weight" is not weighing you down as long as it stays under water.  The only time you would feel the weight would be at the transition point from in-to-out of the water.

    I usually swim in long pants in our farm pond in the summer since we commonly have free-swimming leeches in the water. Sometimes it's on purpose in yoga pants, and sometimes, also on purpose but more on the spur of the moment, when taking a break from hot and heavy farm work when I'm likely wearing long pants (khakis or jeans) to ward off ticks.

    It's also not unusual to find myself in the pond in my jeans when I'm not intentionally swimming, but inadvertently due to an animal or even equipment crisis.

    And my personal experience is that the jeans aren't a problem, but the foot wear is.  So if I think there's even a slight chance I might wind up wet the first thing I do is take off my boots or shoes before getting near the water's edge.

    If anything, for a brief period after immersion clothing adds bouyancy.

    As a kid  and  teenager I also spent a fair amount of time surface "diving"/ snorkeling in the tropical oceans.  I always wore pants and a long sleeve shirt to ward off sunburn.  But admittedly, I wasn't wearing modern-day jeans then, just cotton pants and poplin shirts, which are lighter. And old Keds to protect my feet from coral.  Back in the, um, olden days people didn't get so caught up in sports equipment.

    I spent my summers as a life-guard in high school and college, as well, though on an inland lake, not on the seashore or a big, active pool.

    Pools actually skeeve me out, so I won't swim in one. Funny how chlorinated-to-death human commensals are less acceptable to me than lively, and hungry, leeches.

    Araguato

    •  As far as the jeans are concrned, (1+ / 0-)
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      indycam is wrong.

      I was there. If I had not got the jeans off. I would have been pulled sown even further. As soon as I got them off, I was able to swim back to the surface.

      This is a factual account of what happened. Make what you want out of it yourselves.

      Perhaps you would write a diary if you like. But that's what happened as I stated.

      Don't wear clothing when swimming was the point. Always wear a bathing suit or at the most cotton shorts and a tee shirt. Not jeans!

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      by rebel ga on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:21:33 PM PDT

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      •  typo should have said pulled down. (1+ / 0-)
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        by rebel ga on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:26:40 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for the diary. It makes a nice holiday (1+ / 0-)
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        weekend edition
        of our regular Itzl Alert series.

        I wonder where my fellow Itzl Alert members are?

        About the pie fight:

        I'm guessing you desperately needed to kick your legs,
        to go up to the surface,
        to breathe air,
        to not drown.

        And the jeans made it pretty much impossible to kick,
        to kick in such a way as to get your body moving upwards.

        So,
        the technical argument about the weight of jeans on a scale,
        is beside the point.

        I'm saying that even if those folks who do not agree with you
        are technically correct in some of their statements,
        it still seems to me that since kicking,
        as part of swimming,
        must be harder to do wearing jeans,
        the safer course of action is probably
        to take your advice.

        The argument about your advice creating a panic,
        could be technically correct,
        but if folks simply don't wear jeans in the water,
        there will not be a chance to see who was right,
        on that point.

        I feel your diary is helpful,
        and could save a life or two.

        That's a worthwhile diary.

        Thanks again.

        Bringing a child into the world at this point in history is a crime, the crime of child endangerment.

        by bigjacbigjacbigjac on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:43:19 PM PDT

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        •  This is what I said, (1+ / 0-)
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          Always wear a bathing suit when swimming. Do Not wear heavy clothing, like jeans. You'll sink like a stone!
          I was over my head in a lake. I was sinking, further down. I could not swim up. When I tore the jeans off, I was then able to swim to the surface. Make what you want out of it.

          As for this comment causing a panic among  some imiginary drowning person. That's ridiculous!

          Don't wear heavy clothing when swimming. That's just plain common sense. When struggling in a desperate situation like almost drowning one does not need an extra ten pounds pulling them downward.

          You're right about the water being a type of outer space bigjac.

          My Father always said "Don't go near the water till you learn how to swim" and in his joking way, he was right.

          Those commenters can swim in jeans, slacks, whatever, but it's still not the safe thing to do.

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          by rebel ga on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:24:57 AM PDT

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  •  Hey! Anybody here besides me? I mean, (1+ / 0-)
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    any Itzl regulars here,
    besides me?

    I'm here to check in.

    I love the diary,
    I even loved the pie fight in the comment thread;
    seemed like both sides certainly had their points,
    and they argued them well.

    I'm terrified of water over my head,
    period.

    I feel it's a big mistake for anyone,
    unless it's a matter of life or death,
    to ever get in a boat,
    anywhere,
    from the smallest lake,
    to the open sea.

    Big mistake.

    It's like outer space,
    but folks don't think it is.

    It is.

    My wife and I sometimes go to the YMCA,
    and,
    in five feet of water or less,
    we do water aerobics,
    and then relax in the jacuzzi,
    then shower and go home.

    We love each other,
    and we feel good doing that together.

    We like holding and kissing each other,
    standing in the water face to face,
    where our knees don't hurt,
    and my wife's smiling face is so wonderful.

    We got in trouble last time;
    there were small children there doing exercises,
    and we were told to knock it off,
    in front of the kids.

    Bringing a child into the world at this point in history is a crime, the crime of child endangerment.

    by bigjacbigjacbigjac on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:25:40 PM PDT

  •  THanks (1+ / 0-)
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    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Tue May 28, 2013 at 05:27:04 AM PDT

  •  Thanks everyone. (0+ / 0-)

    I put all the smart things you said about water/swimming safety in this diary.

    Well, not this one. This is my Memorial Day Edition. You're in the comments.

    I have 3 more copies in different spots. In them. They're the ones I share with everyone.

    Great input. You have all helped save a lot of swimmers.

    I share my diaries everywhere; newspapers, FB, anywhere I'm able.

    I wrote this diary because I am concerned with inner city or otherwise inexperienced young people drowning. With proper water safety training, drowning is so unnecessary.

    Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

    by rebel ga on Tue May 28, 2013 at 06:55:46 PM PDT

  •  living part time near desemboque Sonora (0+ / 0-)

    Where no lifeguards have ever existed and the beaches are empty for miles I like having a pair of short rubber board fins on.They keep you from getting nailed by a ray and let for wait out a rip

  •  And never dive into water unless you know (1+ / 0-)
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    what is below the surface. A childhood friend of mine dove into a river and hit a stump with his head. He was knocked out, but that is all. It could have been much worse.

    Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

    by hestal on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 06:27:15 PM PDT

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