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The Baltimore Sun is reporting that PTR Industries, a gun manufacturer, has moved from Connecticut to South Carolina due to the passage of gun control legislation in Connecticut.  South Carolina encouraged the gun manufacturer to relocate there.  Four other states recruited PTR Industries in addition to South Carolina.  

According to The Baltimore Sun

States that consider themselves gun-friendly began touting their economic benefits earlier this year as a series of states considered new gun laws after 20 children and six educators were killed at a Newtown, Conn. elementary school.  . . .

[Brad] Lofton [President and Chief Executive Officer of the Myrtle Beach Regional Economic Development Corporation] said that Stag Arms, another Connecticut gun maker, had narrowed down its relocation options to Texas and South Carolina. He said the state can layer as many as 15 different incentives to gun manufacturers, including real estate deals, training for workers, lower taxes and cheaper utilities.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/...

The Baltimore Sun asks whether my home state of Maryland could be next in losing gun manufacturers to other states.  

Maryland's new law banning magazines to 10 bullets or less an forbidding the sale of 45 types of assault weapons has also prompted gun companies to threaten leaving. At least seven states besides South Carolina have made overtures to Maryland gun manufacturers. Beretta USA has its headquarters in Prince George's County and said it has no immediate plans to leave but will consider making future expansions in other states.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/...

If Baretta USA and other manufacturers want to leave the state of Maryland, I say good riddance.  We should not have a "race to the bottom" where states do what the gun manufacturers want so as not to lose the jobs associated with the manufacture of guns.

When the U.S. Congress failed to do what was necessary to prevent future Newtowns from occurring, the State of Connecticut stepped up to the plate and passed gun control legislation, despite opposition from the NRA and gun manufacturers.  

Kudos to the State of Connecticut and other states like Maryland who put the interests (and lives) of their citizens ahead of the economic interests of the gun manufacturers.  
 

Originally posted to night cat on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:36 PM PDT.

Also republished by Maryland Kos, Shut Down the NRA, and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Well Duh. States That are Gun Friendly Are (13+ / 0-)

    usually conservative and also low tax generally and willing to offer free or near free rides to businesses on the backs of homeowners who will furnish them their infrastructure.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:42:36 PM PDT

  •  utah is one of the states recruiting (7+ / 0-)

    gun manufacturing.

    and was the first state to have a "state gun"

    it took a while to get seat belts, and to lower smoking rates.  

    Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

    by jlms qkw on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 07:57:08 PM PDT

  •  Beretta staying (for now) (4+ / 0-)

    Beretta is staying in PG County for now, but may re evaluate plans to increase capacity at that facility.  They are reported to be looking at sites in VA now.  I think that Beretta employs a few hundred people in PG County.  

    As a side note, Beretta is the oldest, family-owned business in the world.  It is nearly five hundred years old.

    The sequester is the new Republican immigration reform plan. Make things so bad here in the US that no one will want to live here.

    by Mote Dai on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 08:00:13 PM PDT

    •  Not sure Beretta is the oldest - (1+ / 0-)
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      List of oldest companies

      Marinelli Bell Foundry

      (and Kongō Gumi would have been the hands-down winner until 2006, when they were bought)

      •  Not the oldest company overall (0+ / 0-)

        The oldest still owned by the original family.

        The sequester is the new Republican immigration reform plan. Make things so bad here in the US that no one will want to live here.

        by Mote Dai on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:44:56 AM PDT

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        •  And the family can maintain a committment (0+ / 0-)

          to the community that helped them prosper over several generations, or not.

          It's their customers they fear. They can't come out in favor of sensible safety measures or make a vocal commitment to safety for the public, without the NRA organizing a boycott.

          It's such a tough environment for gun manufacturers right now, their customers are increasingly irrational, and willing to spend a large chunk of their disposable income. It's like sex and violence in entertainment - "we have to give our customers what they want."

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:35:34 AM PDT

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        •  I still think Marinelli has Beretta beat - (0+ / 0-)

          from the wiki article:

          The Marinelli family first started the bell foundry in 1339 in the Apennine hills of Italy.
          ...
          The company is co-owned and operated by brothers Armando and Pasquale Marinelli.
          ...and from the Marinelli site:
          The FONDERIA has been always run by the Marinelli family: a versatile team who deal with administration and public relations, as well as planning and artistic production.
  •  PTR is an assualt weapon maker. (9+ / 0-)

    Not one hunting or self protection item in their inventory.

    What, sir, would the people of the earth be without woman? They would be scarce, sir, almighty scarce. Mark Twain

    by Gordon20024 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 08:03:27 PM PDT

  •  From Governor Malloy's response: (15+ / 0-)
    Andrew Doba, a spokesman for Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, said of the news: "They announced this several months ago, so it's not a surprise. We compete for jobs every day of the week, but on this issue the governor is prioritizing public safety, and the gun violence prevention law he signed will improve public safety."
    Well said.

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 08:07:01 PM PDT

  •  South Carolina, the state that started the Civil (6+ / 0-)

    War, it is just unbelievable.

    •  Some there believe the next civil war (2+ / 0-)
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      is imminent, and they must spend hard earned money to be prepared for it.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:37:30 AM PDT

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    •  Been Talking About Civil War For 250 Years (1+ / 0-)
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      They were talking about Civil War before the Constitution was signed, started the Civil War, as soon as that ended they started talking about the next Civil War.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:14:46 AM PDT

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      •  We could include immigration from SC (0+ / 0-)

        to other states as part of immigration reform, and then just let them secede.

        Sure we'll still help them with search and rescue when the next Hurricane hits, but they will be free to fight amongst themselves for the remainder of their state "assets" when the predators, er, I mean, private equity firms come calling.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:19:15 AM PDT

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  •  Some of these gun makers will no longer sell to (3+ / 0-)
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    Law enforcement agencies.  I read an article a few months ago where it stated a few companies, including Barrett (not Baretta) will no longer supply law enforcement with firearms.  The same thing with some ammunition manufacturers.  They were quoted as saying that any large order short falls will be easily made up from added sales to the public, noting that there have been severe shortages of products available for the last year or so.  Interesting that they feel safer with their goods in the hands of the public rather than law enforcement.

  •  There are numerous gun manufacturers in CT (3+ / 0-)

    In the next several years I think you will see nearly all of them move to gun friendly states. I have a friend who is a senior executive at Colt, and they are looking at their options.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 10:29:18 PM PDT

    •  Well good riddance (8+ / 0-)

      South Carolina can have our gun manufacturere.

      In the meantime we'll take all the bio medical companies fleeing from states run by teabagging knuckledraggers like Maine and North Carolina.

      Given a choice between a bunch of gun machinists or medical professionals, scientists and researchers I'll gladly take the latter.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19:04 PM PDT

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      •  What they are really moving for (3+ / 0-)
        In the meantime we'll take all the bio medical companies fleeing from states run by teabagging knuckledraggers like Maine and North Carolina.
        This hits the nail on the head, IMO.

        The companies recognize that by using fear and paranoia to pull future gun purchases into the present, that it is going to get harder to sustain profits. So their option is to move to a state where they will gradually be able to cut wages and benefits.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:09:22 AM PDT

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      •  DisN - what medical companies are moving? (1+ / 0-)
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        I have been in the medical device and biotech field for 25 years and hadn't heard that companies are fleeing to CT.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:22:57 AM PDT

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        •  Here are a few articles (1+ / 0-)
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          http://www.theday.com/...

          http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/...

          http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/...

          Jackson Lab is one such company that 'expanded' into Connecicut from Maine a few years ago.

          The Governor is investing so much money and resources in biotech and medical research into teh Farmington Valley and the whole stretch between New Haven and Hartford Ct.  It's one of th ereasons why Metro North Rail was extended all the way to Springfield Mass.

          There's a whole slew of articles and reports on this if you dig deep enough.  

          In addition, in my hometown, Boehringer Ingleheim and other smaller Pharmaceutical and health related companies are expanding.  Boehringer is expanding their headquarters in Danbury and they just renewed their lease for over 300,000 sq ft in the Matrix Corporate Center.  

          http://www.newstimes.com/...

          This is all in addition to the fact that ALL our hospitals are expanding and growing exponentially.

          So like I said, if we lose a few dozen gun machinists to South Carolina, Jackson Labs alone represents 300 new jobs in CT and they're all high paying 6 figure jobs.  Our economy may be struggling but we're not racing to the bottom trying to attract new jobs to the state.  We're trying to move to the top.  We have a high quality of life.  We pay a bit more for it but we get more out of it.  Our schools are better, our communities are safer, our health is better, we have a more open and progressive government and equal rights for everyone.  We don't need some gun manufacturers because frankly for every job we lose from them relocating to right to work for less states where their machines of death are more readily accepted we gain two jobs in biotech, medical and science and research.    

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 01:10:34 PM PDT

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          •  DisN - thanks for the very informative comment (0+ / 0-)

            I have been to the BI facility. They were a client of one of my companies.

            Good for CT, that's a great effort attracting high paying jobs.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 01:42:28 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, it's hard (0+ / 0-)

      If they come out in support of any safety measure, an improved trigger guard, or an improved way for the owner of a gun to tell if there is a round in the chamber, if they were to publicly stand up in support of background checks - the NRA would organize a boycott - and all the irrational gun dollars will go to their competitors.

      We really have to understand what they are up against, competing for repeat customer dollars in a saturated market. Plenty of competition.

      We see with Cerebrus trying to sell their gun businesses - and unable to find a buyer at the price they want - what do we see there?

      We see a business franchise that is highly overvalued on paper. If it was such a sure profit business - there would be eager investors, snapping up the opportunity.

      IOW, the smart money has left the room.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:42:34 AM PDT

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  •  Raised the average IQ (2+ / 0-)
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    of both states!

  •  The number of jobs involved here (4+ / 0-)

    is very small, so I would say don't let the door hit your ass.

  •  We'll be facing similar here in MA with Smith & (4+ / 0-)

    Wesson at some point I'm sure.  I can understand the industry trying to flex their muscle, but this is blood money we are taking about (the blood of over 105,000 people that get shot every year). In the end they do not care about the victims, just about profits. Unlike we were able to do with tobacco - bring them to their knees with lawsuits until no-smoking laws and very high taxes were passed on tobacco, lawsuits are not a tool that we have to fight against the proliferation of firearms for blood-money profits because Congress has given the firearms manufacturers that the NRA embodies/promotes special protections against liability lawsuits (that not even big tobacco had).

    •  The states that re recruiting are going to face (3+ / 0-)

      the same problem as those that use tax payer money to build new stadiums. Every few years the companies are going to demand more preferential treatment, and hint about pulling jobs out if they don't get want they want.

      Then, after bending over backwards, some companies will move anyway.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:11:56 AM PDT

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  •  Moral, not business decision (3+ / 0-)

    I have to keep repeating this since people who should be informed on the issue have not bothered to actually read the legislation. The CT law provides specific exemptions for gun manufacturers to stay in CT, so they can continue to make weapons CT residents can't own, and then export them to other states so that CT continues to get the tax revenue and jobs.

    So if a manufacturer leaves CT it is not because of the law.

    Kudos to the State of Connecticut and other states like Maryland who put the interests (and lives) of their citizens ahead of the economic interests of the gun manufacturers.
    Keep telling yourself that...
    •  Political not moral decision (4+ / 0-)

      morality has nothing to do with it.

      •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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        The decision by the CT legislature to exempt the manufacture of guns they intended to prohibit to their own citizens was surely a political one. If it was a moral one, they would have been willing to give up the money and jobs...

        •  Yes the legislature responded (0+ / 0-)

          to the fear and disgust of their constituents at the ongoing bloodbath caused by the flood of murder tools into their communities and the powerful lobbying of the military/civilian industry behind it.  Of course the manufacturers would try to use their employees and their factory communities as human shields and political hostages, what else would you expect from an industry that has to bribe and extort Congress for special exemption from product safety regulations?

          •  So... (1+ / 0-)
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            What you're saying is that the CT legislature had the votes and the spine to pass a wide-reaching law affecting virtually every aspect of gun ownership in CT, but did not have the votes or spine to anger the gun industry?

            Does not compute.

            •  read it again (0+ / 0-)

              They finally got the nerve to serve their constituents, and the manufacturers are deciding that even though their business was not impacted by the common sense measures passed, they needed to stage a political temper tantrum. A publically owned company that did that might well be open to a shareholder lawsuit.

              •  You miss the point (0+ / 0-)

                If the CT legislature was all concerned about the morality of the weapons being produced, they would have had the backbone to legislate not having them produced in CT and exported to other states. And you cannot even call it an oversight, since they deliberately exempted the firearms industry.

                They are too moral and concerned to let citizens of their state buy the weapons, but not moral enough to keep from enjoying the direct and indirect tax revenue that comes from having them made there and sold over the border. It smells of political posturing rather than actual concern on the issue. With apologies to Casablanca:

                "I am shocked, shocked to find that there is assault weapon manufacturing going on in this state!"
                "Your tax revenues, monsieur."
                As I pointed out a few months back, how would you feel about the CT gun law if an AR-15 made in CT after the law was passed, was used in a mass shooting in some other state? Would you be up in arms about the treachery of the 2/3 Democratic majority in the CT legislature? Or would it somehow be the fault of the all-powerful gun lobby?
                A publically owned company that did that might well be open to a shareholder lawsuit.
                I'm sure that people who had chosen to invest in a company that makes assault rifles would get their knickers in a twist over a decision like that. That sort of investor would no doubt be horribly offended at the notion of moving the company to a lower-wage, union-hostile state as a political protest.
                •  Great false equivalence (0+ / 0-)

                  why should consumer and public safety regulations be inimical to manufacturers? Why should it be more moral legislators try to injure those employers just to protect citizens? Are you claiming that guns are inherently unsafe, and their very manufacture is a public hazard that should be eliminated? That is what it seems like. Why else would it be less moral to protect the manufacturers while legislating regulations on their product?
                  I can imagine authoritarian-follower types and gun fetishists being unable to separate regulation of civilian gun use from attacks on legal production of guns, do you expect that of legislators as well?

                  Your certainty that investors in a manufacturer of assault rifles will trade profits for the joy of making a political statement is bold. Did you know that anybody can buy shares?

      •  It is all about money, blood money in this case.nt (1+ / 0-)
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        •  It's all about the need to prop up the (2+ / 0-)
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          PERCEIVED value of the firearm franchise, and now they are admitting that they need tax payer dollars to do it.

          Private equity is having trouble exiting their "investment" in gun makers. The firearm makers are relying on the perceived value of their franchise, in a saturated market.

          If this company were a profitable business there would be PE buyers lining up with offers.

          Sports franchised use the same strategy rather than admit that their customers simply can't afford their product. If there was an honest market for sports tickets, the price would have to fall.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:48:29 AM PDT

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          •  This is why the NRA will fight to the death in (2+ / 0-)
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            order to prevent a closing of the gaping hole that allows for millions of guns to be sold without a background check. That would really saturate the market and their product would drop in value/price.

            •  Exactly, their whole profit margin (2+ / 0-)
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              depends on guns moving from legal owners into the gray market, where they move untracked into the crime gun market.

              Without that there is little or no demand. Current customers and potential new customers just don't have that much disposable income.

              So we have people lining up to buy the latest mass murder gun, thinking that because there is demand now, and the price is high, that the price in the future will be higher. So people over-value the monetary value of their "collection" - then when they have to hock it to raise cash, they take a huge loss.

              What's that saying about fools and their mony?

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 10:05:26 AM PDT

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    •  Sure it is. (3+ / 0-)

      There's a meme that goes around that claims that the reason gun-banned chicago was so violent was because of people going to indiana and buying black market stolen guns. It claims that the reason the District Of Columbia was so violent was because of people going into virginia and buying black market stolen guns.

      The meme is that we can't fix our problem because it's being imported from across some border, whether that be guns in a locality or drugs flowing in from mexico.

      It's a meme that anyone can use to blame their problems on others and avoid doing anything because it's someone else's fault. When someone loses it to stress and mental issues, it's not the fault of that person or the locals - blame it on those other people across some border because they made the gun!

      It's the same "Blame someone else who is part of 'them' across some border" type of deflection that the republican 1% uses to blame "the invisible hand" for you being forced to give up a few sick days or your union contract.  They say "Don't blame us, we are the awesome job creators, blame the government or the invisible hand of the economy for your shitty healthcare"

      For PTR to remain in connecticut and only being able to sell into other states, that would be providing this meme with an actual example. People could point to PTR and say "Don't blame US for failing to take care of our fellow humans, blame THEM over there in that other state. It's THEIR fault that our local boy who couldn't get help for his problems had a mental break and offed himself and five others in the mall. THEIR FAULT, it had nothing to do with US RIGHT HERE."

      Now get yourself a song to sing, and sing it till you're done.

      by JayFromPA on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 06:37:15 AM PDT

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      •  Keep telling yourself it's just a meme (1+ / 0-)
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        without any basis in fact.

        I'm sure you know that we don't stop and search all cars, buses, trains, ferries and planes that cross state borders. People in America carry their firearms wherever they want.
        It's only when the self identified responsible gun owner gets caught with illegal possession that they can be readily identified as a criminal.

        With racial profiling, it's pretty easy to make sure that charges of illegal gun possession are disproportionately on certain groups while other groups get a pass.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:22:57 AM PDT

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    •  Thank you for this important clarification (2+ / 0-)
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      If you want to help Kossacks be informed you really could post some links, starting with a link to the law and to credible sources that interpret the law.

      If you prefer to just lecture and judge people as inadequate, then your comment is about right.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:15:18 AM PDT

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      •  You chose B (1+ / 0-)
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        When confronted with the possibility that you might be operating with insufficient information, do you:

        A) Look up the information for yourself and gain a first-hand knowledge of the subject matter?
        B) Complain that someone whose statements you don't trust isn't doing the legwork that you could not be bothered to do for yourself?

        If it is important enough for you to care about, it's important enough for you to be informed about.

        I cared, I informed myself. Your turn.

  •  Are they pretending that lower labor costs in SC, (4+ / 0-)

    plus hardly any unions, had no role in this decision?

    •  Yes and so are some Kossacks (1+ / 0-)
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      It's not that hard for a company to induce key people to move in this climate.

      Just offer them support to buy a new home, and help selling the former home in exchange for a few years commitment. After the next hurricane hits SC, all of that won't count for much, when the company sites "hard economic conditions" as justification for laying people off or cutting benefits.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:25:38 AM PDT

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