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It seems all the mainstream media gives two shits about these days it toeing the corporate line and here it's the two-fold purpose of boosting ratings (aka profits) and protecting the brothers-in-arms over at Verizon, Facebook, etc. They'd rather have you gripping the edge of the seat wondering "On the next episode, what will happen to our daring traitor/hero Ed Snowden!?" "Will he make it safely to sanctuary in Ecuador or will his archnemesis the Obamanator thwart his plans once again?" "tune in tomorrow next week to find out!!" Whether you think what Snowden is a hero or traitor, and there's plenty of reason to think both opinions proliferate at DailyKos, we should at least be able to agree on one thing:

It is utterly fucking pathetic and disturbing how our mainstream Media will do anything they can to shift the story off of a massive, potentially illegal, secret government program and instead dramatize the person who exposed it.

I'm not going to say one way or the other what I think of Snowden. What he did is already done and he'll sink or swim for it without me weighing in my two cents. But it is despicable that our pathetic excuse for mainstream media, the cable networks, major newspapers, even the Huffington Tabloid Post have been following with bated breath his flight from Hong Kong, his asylum attempts, etc, but have only written a few articles or devoted a few segments at most to the massive program of domestic, warrantless spying conducted by National Security Administration which, if not concretely illegal, at the very least raises significant concern by a huge swath of the American public.

No instead they don't ask those questions and inform Americans that yes, the NSA and the Orwellian named PATRIOT Act have this disturbing outcomes. No they like to plaster Snowden's face all over their covers and talk about asylum rules and Julian Assange.

Not the fact that our government lied to us, spied on us, and for what? We don't even know nor can we know if the average American is being intentionally blinded to the truth by the supposed 4th estate. Instead the media has been all too complicit in shifting blame away from the government and the NSA and onto the individual responsible for bringing the information to light. Sure, there's a debate to be had over whether Snowden is a hero or traitor, but that's not the damn point! History shouldn't remember Ed Snowden more than it does what he actually exposed. Whatever your thoughts on the man himself and the actions he took, the genie can't be put back into the bottle just because you think him guilty of a crime against the United States. The debate we're having and this is one I see raging over DailyKos is the wrong one.

What we should be debating is the government's program of warrantlessly spying on anyone and everyone. Full Stop.

I'm of the belief that as we progress further and further into the 21st century it is all but inevitable that we have no privacy rights with the ease that technology and DNA will allow government to monitor us and our activities. The more frightening part to me at least is that corporations will be able to do the same as will political organizations. Just because I think this is inevitable, doesn't mean I'm not damn irate over it or that we as a society shouldn't be talking about the slow but steady erosion of our right to privacy by both business interests and the government.

But if your news source is the mainstream media, all you know is that "Snowden is still in Moscow, desperately seeking asylum in his next dramatic episode safe haven."

Thank god for not-for profit, community news sources like Daily Kos, because the mainstream, for-profit, corporate media fucking sucks.

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  •  Maybe you should tell that to Ed Snowden and (5+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, doc2, JackND, alain2112, second gen

    ...all the people now in his orbit. We've got everyone from Assange to presidents of little countries interjecting themselves into a U.S. criminal matter.

    Or perhaps you should tell it to the group sponsoring the multiple diaries on the rec list every day.

    This is a wasted opportunity and now we just have ideological preening going on by various actors. What was serious is now political entertainment for the mainstream who have moved on now with their lives.

    The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

    by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:29:58 PM PDT

    •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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      rmx2630, wilderness voice

      We've got everyone from Assange to presidents of little countries

      About Assange, I believe he would have preferred not to be a captive needing safe harbor in an Ecuadorian embassy and not be invoked into a similar persecution trajectory that Snowden is facing.  It really wasn't his doing.  It really wasn't his doing that he was brought into the Snowden conversation.

      About the Prez of that "little country,"
      nd I assume you mean the President of Ecuador, I believe he would have preferred not to be a captive of the U.S. when his plane was seeking gasoline for the mere fact that he expressed sympathy to Snowden's predicament. He is after all a person who can speak his beliefs.  It really wasn't his doing that he was brought into the Snowden conversation.

      Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

      by Einsteinia on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:05:26 PM PDT

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      •  Bolivia, not Ecuador (2+ / 0-)
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        sebastianguy99, Einsteinia

        The President of Ecuador also put in his two centavos - but as I recall he was at home in Ecuador when he did so.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:21:48 PM PDT

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      •  wait...are... (1+ / 0-)
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        sebastianguy99

        you really claiming that Assange is detached from this, when WikiLeaks is doing Snowden's PR and bankrolling his voyage of the damned, and one of their lawyers is Snowden's travelling companion?

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:11:45 PM PDT

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        •  Voyage of the damned? (1+ / 0-)
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          wilderness voice

          Are you suggesting that Assange is more than a journalist here?  Or WikiLeaks is more than a media organization?

          Are suggesting that a news organization supplying legal representation for one of thier sources is suspicious behavior?

          What exactly are you implying?

      •  Hero or traitor, Snowden is a U.S. fugative. (1+ / 0-)
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        gffish

        This is a domestic matter and other countries should not be in the business of trying to aide and abet a citizen wanted on multiple felony charges just because his charges fit into their ideological narrative.

        If a fugitive from their country came here to avoid capture I would hope we would return him and I expect the same of them.

        President Morales put himself in the middle of this so I don't feel sorry or ashamed. Other countries had the good sense to do that but this guy saw a political opportunity to grandstand and now he has had his wish to get in on the action granted, just not in the way he would have liked.

        I saw him smiling and answering questions. He's ok and is eating this up. He knows if you put your finger in a hornet's nest you best be prepared to get stung.

        The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

        by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:32:49 PM PDT

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        •  You actually believe America hasn't offered asylum (5+ / 0-)

          To fugitives from other countries?

          Seriously?  That's just plain ignorance right there.

          •  Yes, apparently we love rubbing others' (2+ / 0-)
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            gffish, OldDragon

            noses in this kind of garbage, but when the shoe is on the other foot, we go nuclear.  

            Why not WE be the change WE want?

            And if the 1% say no, just realize it's a Ponzi scheme that is not sustainable for the long haul.

            Let's be right by doing right?  That would be the best security measure this country could ever dream of!

            Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

            by Einsteinia on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:18:08 PM PDT

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          •  I honestly believe that Ed Snowden is a fugitive (0+ / 0-)

            That was the freaking topic not whether or not the U.S. has offered asylum to other countries.

            Snowden is a fugitive, he should be returned and others should stay out of our domestic affairs. Period.

            And I will not bow to your privilege or thought-policing. You ascribe me ignorant just because I dared to voice an opinion you do not like. Your intolerance is no better than those those of others who have sought to punish and eliminate dissent throughout history. The heck with you. We will not STFU.

            The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

            by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:31:51 PM PDT

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            •  Thought policing? That's an interesting (1+ / 0-)
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              OldDragon

              Accusation.  I've heard those words before.  But In George Orwell's dystopian society the thought police maintained control by maintaining ignorance not pointing it out.

              You ascribe me as a totalitarian by pointing out your totalitarian world view.

              You label me intolerant of your opinion while telling the rest of the world to mind their own business.

              You think I'm trying to suppress your opinion while you try to suppress the opinion of the rest of the world.

              Ignorant and arrogant.

              •  You need to sit in judgement, I do not. (0+ / 0-)

                Get over yourself you aren't superior. And your inability to make an argument without resorting to sophomoric insults is really sad.

                Shame on me for trying to have a honest discussion with someone who thinks self-righteousness=intellect. Please.

                I know your ego requires the last word so have it. I've got better things to do than waste my time with the lost.

                The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

                by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 01:25:55 AM PDT

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      •  I forgot the quote marks for (0+ / 0-)
        "We've got everyone from Assange to presidents of little countries"
        I was merely responding to what I thought was a crazy premise.

        Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

        by Einsteinia on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:14:57 PM PDT

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      •  Poor Assange. (0+ / 0-)
        not be invoked into a similar persecution trajectory
        Poor baby - all of those big meanies trying to make him have accountability for rape like a normal human being.  Don't they know he's important?  Also..  hey look over there, America!
  •  Old saying (6+ / 0-)

    "Intelligent people discuss ideas.
    Average people talk about things.
    Stupid people gossip about people."

    Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

    by Dogs are fuzzy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:46:02 PM PDT

  •  Yes, NSA Disclosures need to be focused on (2+ / 0-)
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    Einsteinia, OldDragon

    But it might also be well to remember Marshall MacCluhan's (sp?) famous phrase:  'The medium is message'.  (Like, you cna't talk about the history of Apple without talking abou tSteve Jobs.)

    There are a number of people who keep trying to write responsible, substantive diaries about the NSA Disclosures, and an even larger number of people who see just how wrong the NSA's global surveillance is and want to participate in such diaries.  But in every such diary -- often in the first few comments -- a number of people (whose names are become so very familiar) -- jump in and begin shouting 'Snowden - coward commie traitor' and 'Snowden-worship' and on and on and on.  So the comment-threads quickly become pie fights and/or ongoing repetitions of the same old memes from the shouters being responded to by people who actually read and post substantive responses to issues that should have been settled long ago.

    Over the last 24 hours, Snowden did become a focus of the story, not just here, but worldwide.  He became the focus again because the US put pressure on the countries that Bolivian President Morales' plane might fly over, while a rumor was spread the Snowden might be on that plane.  Morales' plane ended up in Austria for over 12 hours.  This has resulted in 24 hours of intense reporting about a man who wasn't even there, but still had to be talked about.

    The diaries that went up about this huge diplomatic scandal were about the US's outrageous behavior.  And of course Snowden's name was involved.  The news, and discussions about the news, required it.

    I understand completely how unpleasant the contentious nature of those comment-threads are.  If you want to avoid the unpleasantness, don't go into those diaries.  

    If you want to discuss the many serious and substantive issues involved in the NSA Disclosures -- or even express your own concerns -- Write your own diaries.  Then wait a little bit and see what happens.

    •  There's also the obvious giant story (2+ / 0-)
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      johnny wurster, CroneWit

      That IS Edward Snowden. It's not as important (in the important sense) but there's no stopping interest in his ongoing travails and the international awkwardness.

      “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

      by jeff in nyc on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:58:57 PM PDT

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      •  That's why I said 'media is the message' (3+ / 0-)
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        jeff in nyc, phillies, OldDragon

        And it wouldn't matter if Snowden was another St Teresa or Stephen Hawking or an intelligent polar bear.  He disclosed the undisclosable, in the biggest way possible, and was immediately (1) the target of the world's biggest manhunt and (2) the target of the world's biggest witchhunt.

        So the smear campaign against him & Greenwald began immediately and continues every day.  And, imo, many of the repeat mudslingers and threadjackers in NSA diaries are dedicated to that campaign.  And they've made the NSA diaries so unpleasant that many people won't even go into those diaries because of that unpleasantness.  Which -- if the goal is to keep people from learning the truths contained in the NSA documents, and the implications thereof -- is a twisted kind of success.

        •  It's not only the comments within (1+ / 0-)
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          CroneWit

          A story, but its often true that the very same people are writing diaries of fluff just to force diaries to the bottom of the page or onto the second page.

          I've certainly noticed a pattern of fluff taking up space between the diaries woth news, facts and impact.

  •  YES, TRUE, & It's about the. . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    phillies, wilderness voice

    get out your 4th of July Flags
    crank up your Springsteen, Born in the US
    chug a swig of the Bill of Rights
    and shout it together:

    THE CONSTITUTION'S 4TH AMENDMENT!!!
    Fireworks please!

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:57:43 PM PDT

  •  I agree. The NSA and the spy groups of the world (6+ / 0-)

    led by the USA are the story, it is now enough with all other dumb stuff.

  •  Tell that to all the diarists here that seem to (0+ / 0-)

    talk about nothing else. It's just an interesting story, hard not to cover.

  •  The Anaconda mine in Montana (1+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon

    was once a mountain. Eventually, the mountain became leveled, then became a pit that is as deep as the mountain was high.

    The NSA is becoming our information Anaconda mine, except that the NSA is trying to use mining techniques on something that isn't nearly as tangible as an ore vein.

    There has to be a better way to gain and manage intelligence than sucking up mountains of useless and needless garbage, hoping to find something in it by sifting afterwards.

    It all boils down to this:
    Are we all so fearful that we want to be protected from all potential threat, no matter how remote?

    Or are we willing to live our lives with tolerance of some possible great danger that may occur?

    As it is, our government is trying to do both simultaneously. We are being kept unaware of danger, but at the same time, we are all too willing to be kept unaware. And as a result, we are suspicious of those who are protecting us, not those who deserve the suspicion.

    I think it's time for our security agencies to come forth every time they are successful. Let those who are planning hostility against us know how powerful our intelligence abilities are.
    Make them drop their plans. Make them change up. Let them know we are watching them.

    Our secrets have become far too precious.

    Right many are called, and damn few are chosen.

    by Idaho07 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:34:13 PM PDT

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