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Berkeley, United States - President Barack Obama recently stated the United States was not taking sides as Egypt's crisis came to a head with the military overthrow of the democratically elected president...
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I wonder why our press is not interested in informing us about our government's recent interest in rule by mob and military in Egypt.


Should the press be an establishment team player or an independent guardian of our democracy?

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  •  Tip Jar (2+ / 3-)
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    BigAlinWashSt, CharlesII
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    GoGoGoEverton, zenox, vcmvo2

    A group wrote a book saying they were the chosen ones, they believed it. In one of their endeavors they displaced the people of a country, taking the best land, water and cities for themselves. Their book told them it was theirs, they believed it.

    by weltshmertz on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 05:42:14 AM PDT

  •  Return when you have a diary (7+ / 0-)
  •  And? You prefer Muslim Brotherhood? (5+ / 0-)
    •  Pretty sure they got funds too (6+ / 0-)

      I am pretty sure that until recently, the MB had a tiny bit of say in how Egyptian governmental funds were spent.  And I am pretty sure the Egyptian gov't gets US funding.

      This seems to be a US program that makes funds available to NGOs who in turn assist budding political efforts in various nations. And that being the case, of course some funds are going to make it to critics of the MB-led gov't. Unless of course favortism forbade support for MB critics, and we would not want favortism eh?

      Most of the linked article goes on to describe the politics of a couple recipients. Missing from the article is any mention of support sent to other groups.

      But that would be to provide context. And that gets in the way of a good Skyfall.

  •  WTF Is this? (4+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, Deep Texan, zenox, trumpeter

    It certainly isn't a diary.

    John Roberts? Melville Fuller?? WTF is the difference???.

    by Walt starr on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 05:52:48 AM PDT

  •  If I check that link will the NSA check me? (2+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, Jaime Frontero

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 06:03:19 AM PDT

  •  Tens of millions of citizens = mob (5+ / 0-)

    Way to respect the constituency.

  •  So Democratic Activists get money from US (2+ / 0-)
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    Pinto Pony, Quicklund

    and that's bad? May Morsi should've kept the country democratic. HR for hit/run troll diary.

    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

    by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 06:12:36 AM PDT

  •  State Department gives money to NGOs (4+ / 0-)

    to help democratic activists? APPALLING! BTW considering 22 Aljazeera writers quit claiming that they we forced to publish lies in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood, I don't put too much stock in this BS article.

  •  yeah . didn't vote for him. wanted el nader. (1+ / 0-)
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    Don Benedetto was murdered.-IgnazioSilone(BreadAndWine)

    by renzo capetti on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 06:24:23 AM PDT

  •  You forgot to add the rest of the Al Jazeera (3+ / 0-)

    ...article, especially the part:

    Documents obtained by the Investigative Reporting Program at UC Berkeley show the US channeled funding through a State Department programme to promote democracy in the Middle East region. This programme vigorously supported activists and politicians who have fomented unrest in Egypt, after autocratic president Hosni Mubarak was ousted in a popular uprising in February 2011.

    The State Department's programme, dubbed by US officials as a "democracy assistance" initiative, is part of a wider Obama administration effort to try to stop the retreat of pro-Washington secularists, and to win back influence in Arab Spring countries that saw the rise of Islamists, who largely oppose US interests in the Middle East.

    (Bolding is mine)

    Your response to the lines above:

    I wonder why our press is not interested in informing us about our government's recent interest in rule by mob and military in Egypt.
    I don't get it. Is there an open field of competition here on Dailykos about who best can trash the United States today, since the president is Barack Obama?


    What's going on?

    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 06:25:05 AM PDT

  •  Check out Juan Cole on this one (4+ / 0-)

    Aljazeera’s Conspiracy Theory about Obama and Egypt is Brainless Mush
    Unfortunately, Aljazeera is not as trustworthy as it once was.  

    Juan Cole is the best source I know on the Middle East, and I trust him implicitly.  

    •  Thanks for this counterpoint (1+ / 0-)
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      Catte Nappe

      Juan Cole has always struck me as am informed and fair-thinking person.

    •  Heh. I read that piece (1+ / 0-)
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      Catte Nappe

      this morning before logging-in here. I take Cole's views seriously, although I wouldn't say that I trust him (or anyone, for that matter) implicitly. Heretical as it may be, I've not bought into the love for al-Jazeera (Arabic or English) that emerged during and since their coverage of Tahrir. In my view, they are a deeply political organization and their coverage of MENA, including hosted op-eds, needs to be read in the context of the propaganda campaign in the struggle for influence between Qatar and KSA.

      Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

      by angry marmot on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 07:19:35 AM PDT

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    •  All should read the Juan Cole piece for balance (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks for supplying the link.

  •  [sigh] Thursday, is it? (5+ / 0-)

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 06:39:51 AM PDT

  •  The demo conservatives don't want to believe (0+ / 0-)

    this one huh?  Al Jazeera is fine when it fits their agenda, but when it doesn't, it's not.  People believe what they want to believe.

    "America is the Terror State. The Global War OF Terror is a diabolical instrument of Worldwide conquest."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:38 AM PDT

    •  Al Jazeera has an agenda of its own (0+ / 0-)
      This week has seen recriminations against Al Jazeera on the part of military leaders and other journalists in Egypt. The network's coverage has been seen as biased toward the Muslim Brotherhood. Now some Al Jazeera staffers are resigning in protest against their company's coverage.
      This week, as many as 22 staffers at an Al Jazeera network in Egypt quit in protest of the network's coverage of events there. Al Jazeera is a Qatari-owned company. It's based in Doha, Qatar. The journalists claim that the network's management made them take a pro-Muslim Brotherhood stance on air during the military coup last week in Cairo.
      I think it's fair to say that Al Jazeera is an instrument of Qatari foreign policy, just as Al Arabiya is an instrument of Saudi Arabian foreign policy. There's been such a difference in coverage between Bahrain and Syria that I think it really illustrates that, indeed, the channel does reflect the broader political priorities of the foreign policy establishment in Qatar.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 08:54:13 AM PDT

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  •  It's shameful to attempt to Hide this diary (1+ / 0-)
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    The criticism that this is too limited a post to be a diary is valid.

    However, I don't see the usual suspects issuing Hide recommendations on dozens of other diaries that violate the same principle. They would have done better to state their objection constructively.

    The point that Juan Cole, a respected authority on the Middle East, has a countervailing opinion that ought to be included is also valid. However, as I will describe, Professor Cole is overboard when he calls Al-Jazeera's piece "a conspiracy theory." The Al-Jazeera piece should,as he says, mention all US funding of so-called democracy promotion, not just that post-Mubarak. But issuing a Hide recommendation is a shallow, knee-jerk reaction.  

    There is a very large principle at stake in this issue regarding US funding of Egypt. If the diarist had filled out some of the history and the context, this could have made a fine diary.

    First the history of US funding. The groups that the US funds, worldwide, are not necessarily democratic. They are almost always supportive of US business interests. The Al-Jazeera article makes a specific complaint about US funding of a politician/policeman who, it alleges, committed serious human rights abuses. That's a legitimate issue to examine. The article also complains that the funding is flowing to political parties, not to movements/NGOs. If so, that would probably be a violation of US law. The popular uprising is for real, but is the US shaping it? It would be nice to know.

    But the context of what is going on is even more important. The US has failed to declare what has happened in Egypt to be a military coup, even though it rather obviously was. The US is continuing to provide funding to the military. This has a precedent. In Honduras, which I diaried extensively in 2009, the military machine gunned the presidential palace, spirited the lawfully-elected president away to Costa Rica, and installed an interim dictator. Although the forms of democracy continued to operate, Honduras became a police state and, increasingly, a narco state, since the oligarchy engages in drug running. During the crucial period when genuine grassroots democracy was trying to restore the lawful, constitutional order, the US was providing funding critical to the maintenance of the interim dictatorship. Eventually sham elections were held, and Honduras continue to spiral downward into violence. The US has also sponsored coups or coup attempts in Venezuela and Haiti, with bad outcomes both for the nations that were so treated, and for the US, which has lost influence throughout the Western hemisphere.

    I'm sure that the people who condemn the Al-Jazeera piece and this diary want the best for the Egyptian people. There's no question that Morsi was behaving autocratically and also that he was failing to fix Egypt's economic problems, which are causing severe distress among the population. Some kind of change was necessary. But what these good-hearted people may not realize is that breaking the constitutional order can result in things getting even worse.

    Removing Morsi did not establish democracy. It broke the fragile constitutional order and established a dictatorship. Perhaps the Army is sincere in wanting to make Egypt a democracy. Their history on this matter is not encouraging.

    It is also not believable that the Egyptian Army acted without consulting Washington. Therefore, just as in Honduras, there is almost certainly a US hand in this coup. It's legitimate to ask whether the US also helped to shape the popular uprising. Both encouraging a coup and shaping an uprising against a lawfully-elected government would be violations of US and international law. They also serve to damage US credibility. When the US bungled in Latin America, it merely lost influence. In the Middle East, the consequences could be an order of magnitude worse.

    This diary, however poorly executed, covers a legitimate issue and should not be hidden.

    •  True, you are right. (0+ / 0-)

      As much as I admire thoroughness when writing a diary I find  that I neither have the time nor the talent required to be able to substantiate my points of view in this way. This kind of work is not my profession and it requires a lot of time.
      I do admire and thank those like yourself who put in their time and their talent to inform us, after all these kinds of monologues and dialogs are the mainstay of strong national policies.
      The reason I posted this as diary is because  the MSM has been portraying the events in Egypt in a laughably lop sided way, a dogged support of our peculiar double standard foreign policies designed to justify actions to the whole of the country while really only responding to a small vested interest. Given that the US mainstream media is so corrupt  to keep from getting depressed I read a  foreign news and editorials from other countries and will continue to do so as long as our national editorial policy continues to abdicate its responsibility to tell us the truth. From time to time when I do find something that I feel is important I will share it with my fellow Daily Kos people for as long as I can.

      A group wrote a book saying they were the chosen ones, they believed it. In one of their endeavors they displaced the people of a country, taking the best land, water and cities for themselves. Their book told them it was theirs, they believed it.

      by weltshmertz on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 10:18:39 AM PDT

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