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HELENA, Montana — Popular former Gov. Brian Schweitzer says he will not run for Montana's open U.S. Senate seat in 2014.

The Democrat tells The Associated Press on Saturday he doesn't want to leave Montana and go to Washington, D.C.
Schweitzer says he felt compelled to consider the race because many in his party said they needed him to run.

He was considered the best chance Democrats have to hold onto the seat being vacated by U.S. Sen. Max Baucus next year.

Schweitzer has never been shy to express his distaste for Washington, D.C., and from personal conversations with him, I know how little respect he has for what the Senate has become. So on one level, this isn't a huge surprise, but it is a blow to Democrats' hopes for keeping this seat.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:44 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (28+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:44:10 AM PDT

  •  Gosh-Darn It! (2+ / 0-)
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    GoGoGoEverton, 4CasandChlo

    Who else can win the Senate election from our side?

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:46:51 AM PDT

  •  Very surprising. (4+ / 0-)

    I don't know who else in Montana could put up a legitimate fight against Daines.

    Hard to see how this works out well for us in 2016...unless Hillary called.

    •  I was more surprised (8+ / 0-)

      to see him seem to be really considering it. He's talked about the Senate as his personal vision of Hell. I had a hard time seeing how he could be enthusiastic about this run.

      But, damn. It would have been fun to have him there to shake things up.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:51:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agreed. (2+ / 0-)
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        Matt Z, Victor Ward

        Everyone thought he'd hate it but we all wanted to see him try. I saw him at Forward Montana event two weeks ago. He spoke and really seemed like he was going to do it.

        Part of me is hoping it's a big elaborate trick to bait Daines into the Senate race, since a Scwheitzer victory there could pretty much derail the rest of Daines' career.

      •  "shake things up"? with Harry Reid as leader? (0+ / 0-)

        Even if we had 50 Elizabeth Warrens in the Senate, Harry and the handful of corrupt assholes with a D next to their name would still be effing things up.

        Schweitzer, being the restless guy he is, would want out of there after two months.

  •  My sentiments exactly: 1. Sucks. 2. Understand. nt (11+ / 0-)

    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

    by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:46:58 AM PDT

  •  So does this mean he makes a run for president (1+ / 0-)
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    ScienceMom

    ... (or a vice president slot) in 2016?

    Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

    by Bob Johnson on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:50:52 AM PDT

    •  If Hillary runs (8+ / 0-)

      no way. VP, not at all unlikely, IMO.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:51:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  If Hillary runs (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Matt Z, Attila the Blond

        then he might be a lock for VP.

        Not my first choice for VP, but he would lock up the Mountain states. This would take the South much less important in a national election.

        Still sucks, though. This state will now probably go Red. I would say concentrate now on keeping Alaska (if Miller runs, then it's a good chance at holding), Iowa, and then take a real shot at Kentucky, Maine and Georgia.

      •  Hillary is "inevitable" should she deign to run (1+ / 0-)
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        Joe Hill PDX

        Goes without saying... blah, blah, blah...

        If "better Democrats" don't run... for the Montana Senate seat, or for president... what really is the point of the Democratic Party?

        Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. --Edward R. Murrow

        by chuckvw on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:26:28 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  The White House IS in D.C. (2+ / 0-)
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      Matt Z, Victor Ward

      and we know Brian thinks the traffic is bad and the weather is worse and the people are frauds.

      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

      by jhannon on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:36:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Why Justice Souter resigned (1+ / 0-)
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        Victor Ward

        He loved the work of the SCOTUS -- but hated living in DC, and especially, as he told me, having to leave NH at the end of September just when the leaves were turning golden, to go back to DC.

        I can't blame someone for wanting to stay home. And goodness knows there's plenty to do in the states.

    •  If you say that you hate going to DC (1+ / 0-)
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      equern

      then don't even think about being on ticket in any way after passing on the Senate.  

      I certainly would be opposed to him on a ticket.

      Barack Obama for President '12

      by v2aggie2 on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:13:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Exactly. You don't screw the party... (1+ / 0-)
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        v2aggie2

        ...and then expect them to shower you with affection.

        And make no mistake, it's a screw. I'm sure he had little stomach for Washington, but I also can't imagine a more significant time when he party NEEDED him.

        Call of duty, and all that. Not that such things mean much any more.

        What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

        by equern on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 01:45:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  So who do corporate DC Dems want to run? (1+ / 0-)
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    chuckvw

    Is there a Baucus-like candidate they have in mind?

    "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

    by Betty Pinson on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:51:16 AM PDT

    •  No, there is not. (3+ / 0-)
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      MT Clarity, ban nock, Matt Z

      There are really very few Democrats in MT with a statewide presence right now.

    •  Oh, I don't know (0+ / 0-)

      somebody?  A candidate that can win?  I've been told that this is the goal.

      Barack Obama for President '12

      by v2aggie2 on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:14:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Looks like Schweitzer could have won (0+ / 0-)

        I wonder why he dropped out?  Did he get a friendly reception from our DC Dem folks?

        Message to corporate Dem quislings in DC - no one wins if they aren't allowed to run, no?  Dems don't win if they're strong armed into getting out of races because the filthy, criminal, low IQ donors don't think they'll be easy to bribe.  When you have corrupt Dems pushing good local Dems out of races, it only means you want the GOP to win.

        DC Dems have become a disgusting rat's nest of lowbrow corruption. Pond scum has more brains and integrity.

        So, yeah, anyone who says "we don't have any Dems 'who can win' is actually saying 'we don't want any Dems to run against the GOP'.  Filth.

        "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and then vote against them, you have no business being in DC."

        by Betty Pinson on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 11:23:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Very disappointed (8+ / 0-)

    But he's giving up a national soap box. He shouldn't think he's leaving Montana. He's taking Montana to Washington and broadcasting it all over the country. He is one of the few people of national stature who actually understand rural liberals, the very real problems rural communities face AND the potential rural communities have for providing opportunities for a better life for all Americans through local sustainable economies and just better ways to live, eat, play and learn.

    It's a sad day.

    "It is in the shelter of each other that the people live." -- Irish Proverb

    by Our Man in Twisp on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:51:27 AM PDT

    •  Maybe Maybe not (0+ / 0-)

      Women's issues may become the big issue in 2014. Young people and single women will be the  key to victory.Remember we thought John Tester would loose.

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:59:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bad news (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Victor Ward

    Bad news for the Democrats' chances to hold the Senate in 2014. As 2014 is a mid year election - which historically is turnout wise far worse for the Democratic Party than presidential election years - and given the number of Democratic seats in play (the open seats in SD, MT, WV will be extremely tough to held, and then there's still AR, AK, LA, NC), 2014 might become a repeat of 2010... A loss of up to six seats is not inconceivable. Especially as there are few targets of opportunity to take a Republican held seat.

    Obama-Biden: four more years!

    by Frederik on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:51:59 AM PDT

    •  Still looks ok though (6+ / 0-)

      The Democrats will probably lose SD, MT, WV, but Begich is leading all Republicans by quite a bit in AK, Hagan also leads in NC, the other two may be toss-ups.    So it's hard to see how the Republicans pick up 6, but you're right that it isn't inconceivable.

      At least we'll pick up more than a handful in 2016..

      Another reason to pick Susan Collins to replace Napolitano

      •  Maine would be a good pickup (2+ / 0-)
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        Matt Z, brn2bwild

        Kentucky is not a long shot. Grimes has a legitimate chance to take it. Georgia could also be good.

        I agree with the three states you profiled as losses. It would have been nice to put MT in the Blue column.

        You never know, though. The Tea Partiers might just put another crazy in that state.

    •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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      brn2bwild

      Kagen, Begich(AK) and Landriue(sp)(LA) lead all likely candidates by mid digits. So I give you Republicans picking up 4 seats (MT, SD, WV, and AR), but that doesn't include the "tea party effect" which judging from the last two cycles should net democrats 1 seat, meaning after 2014 the senate composition would be 52-48.
      And if Collins desides to leave the cluster fuck that is the senate it would be 53-47

      We only think nothing goes without saying.

      by Hamtree on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:23:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Maine is not a "safe Democratic" state... (2+ / 0-)
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        Victor Ward, Odysseus

        ...by any means, in fact, it's one of the least polarized states in the country. Ross Perot actually got more votes in Maine than GHWB did in the 1992 presidential race, and Maine's other U.S. Senator is a center-left independent.

        Colleen Lachowicz could make it competitive against Susan Collins (provided there's not a three-way race like there usually is in Maine), although I doubt that she could defeat Collins.

        "It's not enough to be in the majority, you have to stand for something." -Russ Feingold

        by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:32:18 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  LA, AR, AK not really Democratic states (1+ / 0-)
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        Odysseus

        I'm not really worried about North Carolina to be honest. But Louisiana, Arkanasas and Alaska are different matters.

        North Carolina is heading our direction more as with each passing year it becomes a little more Democratic.

        Louisiana and Arkansas are the reverse though. Those ancient Democratic bastions become less and less Democratic with each passing year. One of these years the game will be up and Landrieu and/or Pryor might be washed out of office.

        Alaska is a case on itself: not very friendly teritory for the Democratic Party but with a very good Democratic candidate. I thus rate Begich's survival chances to be higher than either Landrieu or Pryor's.

        Lets indeed hope that the Tea Partiers become spoilers as they were in 2010 and 2012. Three is a charm?

        Obama-Biden: four more years!

        by Frederik on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:20:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Might have an impact on filibuster reform (2+ / 0-)
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    GoGoGoEverton, davybaby

    Incumbent Democrats worried about losing the majority.

    "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

    by conspiracy on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:59:04 AM PDT

    •  I suppose (6+ / 0-)

      there could still be some Senate Dems deluded enough to believe that Mitch McConnell wouldn't get rid of the filibuster the first chance he had in the majority. We'll see.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:05:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Does a US senator really have to live in DC? (0+ / 0-)

    I would think they would be better off living in their home states, where they could be more accessible to the people who voted for them, and whom they represent.

    Couldn't he just work from home, so to speak?

    "The press just doesn’t know how to handle flat-out untruths," ~Paul Krugman

    by Nimbus on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:08:58 AM PDT

    •  You have to be in the chamber (6+ / 0-)

      to vote. And in the committee rooms to participate in hearings. It would probably be really beneficial, though, for the Senate to figure out how to implement telecommuting. It'd be nice if those people were just a little more tethered to home.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:14:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm sure it's not a matter of figuring it out. (0+ / 0-)

        There must be some very obvious reason for the rule that says you have to be physically present.

        It probably has to do with the fear that some Senator somewhere down the line will be confined to his or her home, from age and infirmity, and still be phoning in votes with the help of "assistants".

        They probably just want to be sure whose finger is on the vote button when it's pressed.

        The American people are so paranoid at this point, that the idea of someone trying a "weekend at Bernie's" senatorship is not that far out of line.

        "The press just doesn’t know how to handle flat-out untruths," ~Paul Krugman

        by Nimbus on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 04:44:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Poor guy! Having to live in DC to be a senator! (2+ / 0-)
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      chuckvw, equern

      It's just too much to ask!

      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

      by jhannon on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:38:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What are the chances that Daines jumps in? (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder if anyone more familar with Montana Politics knows? If he does decide to run then MT is probably a likely pick up for the GOP like WV and ND. It won't matter who the Democrats nominate to oppose him.

  •  The price of integrity. (1+ / 0-)
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    Victor Ward
    •  So we have to find "better Democrats" (0+ / 0-)

      without integrity... Yep... shit creek... I thought you had the paddle!

      Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. --Edward R. Murrow

      by chuckvw on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:35:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Where's the integrity of this? (0+ / 0-)

      Remember, Schweitzer seems to think that running a mining corporation is more "public-service-y" than running for Senate.

      Don't input too much nobility into his motives...you'll be disappointed.

      "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

      by Australian2 on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:52:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  few respect the Senate anymore (3+ / 0-)
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    ichibon, ferg, mightymouse

    Few people respect what the Senate has become - a pampered, not-hardworking, dysfunctional branch of Government.  Nevertheless, because we all must live with the consequences of its actions and inactions, we here at DKos hope that good people will run and win for the Democrats.   His decision not to run is a disappointment.

  •  Can't blame him at all (3+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, Punditus Maximus, Victor Ward

    Life is short.

    Montana is the last best place.

    Eastern cities are... never mind.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:16:43 AM PDT

  •  This is great! (1+ / 0-)
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    Progressif

    We get to run a true progressive (at least by Montana standards) in Denise Juneau against the Montana GOP freak show!

    "It's not enough to be in the majority, you have to stand for something." -Russ Feingold

    by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:18:31 AM PDT

  •  Schweitzer (0+ / 0-)

    Schweitzer has always been one of the sacred cows of dKos, along with Howard Dean and Russ Feingold. I never understood that, but, to say the least, we don't have a deep bench in Montana.

    This hurts--and may cost us the Senate in 2014.

    •  Most of dkos don't know much about Schweitzer (0+ / 0-)

      Hence some of the anger toward his decision not running for the senate, which I barely raised an eyebrow at. If they'd been paying attention, actually listened to or read his interviews, they'd know how little he thinks of the clown show in Washington. Any anger should be directed at Max Baucus.

  •  "Traffic is bad, weather is worse?" (3+ / 0-)
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    v2aggie2, chuckvw, mightymouse

    Oh sorry, man.  We wouldn't want you to be uncomfortable, just for the sake of preserving a Democratic majority.

    But you know what, it's pretty darn uncomfortable in Iraq and Afghanistan, too.  And it sucks when Congress stops functioning and cuts food stamps and when the senate blocks presidential nominations.

    But hey, stay quirky and independent.

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

    by jhannon on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:33:57 AM PDT

    •  Best case secnario (1+ / 0-)
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      brn2bwild

      Dems nominate a women and the GOP goes off on the Rape/Abortion issue and the women come out. The Republicans cant' stop talking about restricting women's access to reproductive rights.

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:37:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm disappointed (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, young montana voter

    I completely understand, but I'm disappointed none the less.

    Steal a trillion, too big to fail. Steal a thousand, go to jail.

    by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:38:02 AM PDT

  •  How amazingly refreshing. (3+ / 0-)
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    PorridgeGun, Victor Ward, Odysseus

    Somebody that wants to live in his home and help it out, rather than viewing politics as a game for increasing his social status.

    Yeah, it's a little inconvenient for the DSCC, but go Gov. Schweitzer.  Thanks for reminding us that human beings are the best leaders.

    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe you also find the idea of Mitch as majority leader refreshing as well?

      How can you condone such SELFISHNESS?

      Seems incomprehensible to me.

      Yes, it's all about ME and what I want. Everyone else can go to blazes.

      Come to think of it, maybe he really IS better off in Washington, the less we have of people who think more of ME than WE, the better off we are.

      It is going to be enormously tough to hold the Senate next year, and the thought of living through one without the filibuster is even worse.

      Personally, I find this attitude repugnant.

      What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

      by equern on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:02:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The center cannot hold (0+ / 0-)
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
     Are full of passionate intensity.
    The beast joined an asset management firm and paved over Bethlehem...

    Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. --Edward R. Murrow

    by chuckvw on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:48:52 AM PDT

  •  Well Brian's that kind of guy...more Montana (2+ / 0-)
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    PorridgeGun, Victor Ward

    than D.C.

    That's why we in the West really like him.

  •  Hope Sweitzer has a good mouse in his pocket for (0+ / 0-)

    this run.

    The country needs it.

  •  Young Intelligent Hard-working, need job (0+ / 0-)

    This is the person I would look for in Montana, this person will run against an old prejudice filled ideologue. I think Dems could win that race, people are growing suspicious of the GOP/Tea party. Must be a native of Montana just the way it works in red leaning less populous states.

    The past, present, and future are equally compelling; none of the three are easily understood.

    by Grey Panther on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 11:35:39 AM PDT

  •  all the talk of Schweitzer running for President (2+ / 0-)
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    Victor Ward, mightymouse

    seems ludicrous to me. If Schweitzer does not want to run for a Senate seat, for which polls show he would be instantly competitive, because he despises Washington so much then...why would he ever want to run for president or vice president? The logic of those arguments makes no sense to me. If he were truly interested in running for president or vice president, running for Senate first to show his political muscle would be almost...instinctive.

    It seems to me that Schweitzer may be biding his time in the hopes of running for governor after laying low for a while (he can run again after waiting it out for eight years or so, couldn't he?).

    Who was Schweitzer's lieutenant governor? It seems to me that if Schweitzer's so popular, his lieutenant governor might be, too? (or at least might have some statewide name recognition).

  •  Its almost unpatriotic (0+ / 0-)

    And considering today's ultra right wing GOP  not do everything in your power to keep them from controlling the Senate.

  •  Disappointing, but who can blame him? (2+ / 0-)
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    young montana voter, Victor Ward

    I've been to the DC Metro area many times and it utterly sucks. I hobbled my military career because I wouldn't take an assignment there I hated the place so bad. For Gov. Schweitzer it would be even worse having to live in that area and then go to a job I think he'd hate. He'd made one hellava senator though.

    Guns are never the principle in the commission of a crime, but they are usually an accomplice

    by MadGeorgiaDem on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 12:55:55 PM PDT

  •  I could have predicted this months ago (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    After calling the shots in Montana for 8 years and raising his profile nationally, he has no interest in wasting his time and energy in the increasingly insane US senate. It's the presidency or nothing for this guy.

    And even if Schweitzer running for president is a long shot, regardless if Hillary does or doesn't run in 2016, I'm glad he has a little more self-respect  and integrity than most.

    •  Has anyone seen this (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JBraden, mightymouse

      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      t is no secret that young voters tilt left on social issues like immigration and gay rights. But these students, and dozens of other young people interviewed here last week, give voice to a trend that is surprising pollsters and jangling the nerves of Republicans. On a central philosophical question of the day — the size and scope of the federal government — a clear majority of young people embraces President Obama’s notion that it can be a constructive force, a point he intends to make in his State of the Union address on Tuesday.

      “Young people absolutely believe that there’s a role for government,” said Matt Singer, a founder of Forward Montana, a left-leaning though officially nonpartisan group that seeks to engage young people in politics.

      CAN WE STOP WHINING AND START TO BUILD A COALITION
      WE HAVE THE WOMEN, WE HAVE THE UNIONS, WE HAVE THE YOUNG THIS IS DIFFICULT BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:16:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Unfortunate but (0+ / 0-)

    who can blame him?

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

    by DJ Rix on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 04:49:54 PM PDT

  •  Definitely a loss, but (0+ / 0-)

    not the end of the world.  This seat is still much more winnable than Georgia or Kentucky, and we can't unilaterally disarm!  Plus, the last thing we need is a halfhearted candidate, even a popular halfhearted candidate (just ask Sen. Coakley).

    I hope Denise Juneau runs.  She has the potential to be a very compelling candidate.

    Born, raised, and currently reside in PA-3 (where birth control is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11); college in the old OH-10; graduate school in the old OH-17

    by JBraden on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 06:26:42 PM PDT

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