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We all remember George W Bush. We remember when he said that one was either for the US governement or for the terrorists. Liberals rightly called him on his simplistic view of the world.

Yet sitting atop of the rec list is a diary that engages in the same type of thinking. One is either for President Obama or one is for Rand Paul and Glen Beck. There are more than two options. And contrary to those who believe that all learning can be measured with a multiple choice test, there are actually more than four possible choices.

You can now continue reading over the fold or you can choose not too. That's a binary choice.

An individual is quite capable of disagreeing with the President and yet not be for Rand Paul.

For instance, it is my belief that the President's education policy I'd horrid. As an educator it's had a profoundly negative impact on my profession. I will further state that while educators had the President's back in the last two elections, he doesn't have ours.

And yet ....

And yet ...

I voted for President Obama in both 2008 and 2012. Do you understand how that works? I'm actually capable of thinking independently. I can disagree with someone and yet still support them. I can disagree someone completely and yet not support their opponents. Do you grasp the concept?

Carry on.

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  •  Tip Jar (6+ / 0-)

    A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

    by slatsg on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:14:51 PM PDT

  •  There is just such a Diary, sitting there (3+ / 0-)

    Yet the ratio of 396 comments to 91 recommends tells you that it is a "hot button" Diary. One the community is willing to engage, rather than a Diary that has been recommended based solely on the content.

    This is a common pattern. Bemoaning the Rec List for promoting Diaries that folk want to chatter in, comment in or even fight in is to deny what the Rec List does.

    What it does not do is judge the content of a Diary.

    Again .... The comment/rec ratio is often quite telling.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:20:28 PM PDT

  •  There are choices at all? (5+ / 0-)

    That's so pre-postmodernist.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:35:17 PM PDT

  •  But I can't handle more than two options (3+ / 0-)
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    slatsg, VeggiElaine, SueM1121

    at a time!!!!

    Please make the world entirely binary!!!

    PLease!!!

    •  There are 10 types of people (5+ / 0-)

      Those who know binary, & those that don't ;)

      I do not demand tolerance, I demand equal rights. --Anna Grodzka

      by VeggiElaine on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 03:15:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I have two pieces of clothing and they are (0+ / 0-)

        unitards - one is blue and one is red - and I have just two because more pieces of clothing would arguably lead to mixing and matching which really has to be avoided if a person wants to live a life free of complexities like layers or "outfits".  

        I have Two shoes.  I wear only one at a time.  Two TV channels - I've blocked all of the rest.  Two dogs.  Two foods and two drinks in the fridge - and none ever touch the other when I eat - nor do I eat any of them together.  Two eyes - I only use one at a time on a given day...

        It really is the only way to live.  

        The binary lifestyle is where it is at.

  •  You know there is something comically (2+ / 0-)
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    slatsg, lunachickie

    "Zelig" about the idea that if you vote for someone, you must agree with and reflect positively absolutely every single thing about who they are, what they do and what they stand for.

  •  people are bad at making choices (2+ / 0-)
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    slatsg, VeggiElaine

    Most folks are ill informed and emotionally driven which leads to making bad choices.

    I sing praises in the church of nonsense, but in my heart I'm still an atheist, demanding sense of all things.

    by jbou on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 03:01:10 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for writing this (1+ / 0-)
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    slatsg

    diary. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that other one, but I'm not surprised it's sitting atop the "Rec List". Jingoists need piefights to validate their world view. Daily.

  •  Agree! (2+ / 0-)
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    slatsg, VeggiElaine

    I agree with the author. The world is larger than simply two alternatives to anything. On a second note, supporting someone does not mean you agree with them 100 percent of the time. I support Obama, yet I disagree with him on many issues he stays for.

  •  Dualism (1+ / 0-)
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    slatsg

    The heresy of Dualism holds that there are only two kinds of people in the world, those who divide everything into two categories, and those who don't.

    "All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic." -- Mervyn Alquist

    by quarkstomper on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 03:59:58 PM PDT

  •  These Aren't All Mere Ideas, Some Cases Are (1+ / 0-)
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    slatsg

    lobbying or pressuring to make certain things happen or not. It's not all about ideas, even here.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 04:11:40 PM PDT

  •  You've picked up on it, too, huh? (1+ / 0-)
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    slatsg

    It was a diary about Snowden, not Obama.

    But throughout all the intense debate about Snowden (and Greenwald) it has been pretty evident that he's just a proxy in the ongoing Obama rox/sux wars. So it only makes sense that a rebuttal diary like yours would cut to the chase, skip the Snowden/Greenwald element, and go straight for the Obama issue.

    How's this for non-binary?
    Greenwald is a tool
    Snowden is either a tool or an unwitting fool
    Anybody celebrating either of them deserves to be compared to the same camp as the Pauls and Glenn Beck.
    HOWEVER, in the spirit of the old blind pig finding an acorn saying, the tool and fool did (however clumsily) bring to wide public attention an issue regarding the Patriot Act and related security state activity that was long overdue for discussion. So lets discuss it.
    We can now only hope that the cost in damage to national security and diplomatic relationships ends up not being an excessive price to pay for initiating that discussion.
    Obama gets it right on some things, and wrong on other things, but taken in balance he's been dong a damn good job given the political climate in DC and the clearly aritulated GOP agenda to block any and every initiative he might put forward.
    If you are a Kossack who thinks Snowden is practically this generation's MLK, then I profoundly disagree with you. Strongly, and powerfully, disagree with you. But you are entitled to your misguided views and should not be called an emoprog, or instructed to take yourself to the Daily Paul or the Blaze.
    Likewise, if (like me) you are a Kossack who thinks Snowden is demonstrably untrustworthy and misguided (possibly even downrigth dangerous), you don't deserve to be called an authoritarian or a RW shill or NSA plant.

    And, in closing, let me repeat
    [We now have ] wide public attention [on] an issue regarding the Patriot Act and related security state activity that was long overdue for discussion. So lets discuss it.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 04:47:08 PM PDT

    •  He was the one who brought up Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      Catte Nappe

      I just pointed his simplistic thinking.

      You don't care for Snowden or Greenwald. That's fine. Where you go off the rails IMHO is where you state that "Anybody celebrating either of them deserves to be compared to the same camp as the Pauls and Glenn Beck." Most people have heroes. Some view Snowden as a hero. Some consider the President their hero. I'm in neither camp.

      As far as I'm concerned there has been too much hero-worship ... on both sides. If you are honest, you will admit that many who are excusing the actions of this administration in regard to this issue would be vociferously on the side if the actions were taken by the Bush cabal. And of course, there are those who have allowed their disappointment with the President to affect how they respond. It's been difficult to take the politics out of the discussion.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 05:55:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Equal and opposite reactions (1+ / 0-)
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        slatsg

        I don't know that we have many, if any, who "excuse the actions of this (or any) administration" on this issue. There is a difference between "excusing' and "explaining" that some people can't seem to differentiate.

        The counter arguments that move in that direction are often in response to extreme similes and analogies to countries, conditions, and systems both currently or historically. That includes the negative (US is worse than the old KGB), or positive (well, at least Venezuela ...)

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 06:22:26 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I will agree that many do attempt to explain (1+ / 0-)
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          Catte Nappe

          Some excuse, while a few support the actions of the NSA and question the patriotism of those who don't.

          I think it would be interesting, and perhaps somewhat helpful to the community, if two diarists on opposing sides could co-author a diary with a civil exchange of opinions and then be there to answer the comments.

          I don't know if it's ever been done but there has to be at least one cool head on either side of the issue.

          A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

          by slatsg on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 06:39:22 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

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