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President Barack Obama listens to comments while meeting with healthcare stakeholders in the Roosevelt Room at White House May 11, 2009. At right is Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
Here we go again.
And another August recess, another show from the extremely well-funded far-right in town hall meetings screeching about Obamacare. This time, though, it's not going to be about trying to stop it or even repeal it, it's going to be about sabotaging it. The job of Republicans and their moneybags will be to try to convince people that they really don't want to be insured.
Party officials, political analysts and lobbyists say the coming showdown will mark a new phase in the years-old battle over healthcare reform by shifting the focus from political ideology to specific examples of how "Obamacare" allegedly falls short, just as the administration presses the public on its benefits. [...]

"The best way to get the juices of that right-wing electorate and activist group going is to attack Obamacare - make everything that happens look awful and voters will rebel against it," said Norman Ornstein, an expert on congressional politics at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.[...]

FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity, a conservative issue group financed by billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch, known for funding conservative causes, are planning separate media and grassroots campaigns aimed at adults in their 20s and 30s—the very people Obama needs to have sign up for healthcare coverage in new online insurance exchanges if his reforms are to succeed.

"We're trying to make it socially acceptable to skip the exchange," said Dean Clancy, vice president for public policy at FreedomWorks, which boasts 6 million supporters. The group is designing a symbolic "Obamacare card" that college students can burn during campus protests.

They're obviously terrified at the prospect of Obamacare working. Here's an indication of how terrified they are: There are a number of House Republicans who are refusing to help their constituents navigate the new law. That's unprecedented, unheard of malpractice by an elected representative.

They also know they've got an uphill battle in convincing people that having health insurance will be bad for them. The fact that they think that not having health insurance is a lifestyle choice they can make "socially acceptable" is evidence of just how far around the bend their irrational hatred of President Obama and his law has taken them. And how out-of-touch with the lives their constituents they really are.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 08:45 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (43+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 08:45:10 AM PDT

  •  This is going to be really tragic (13+ / 0-)

    when one of those 20- or 30-somethings gets early cancer or in a car accident or something and is completely screwed for life because of a stupid gesture trying to stick it to the man.

    Code Monkey like freedom / Code Monkey like peace and justice too
    Code Monkey very nerdy man / With big warm fuzzy bleeding heart
    Code Monkey like you!

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    by Code Monkey on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 08:49:21 AM PDT

  •  The law still (7+ / 0-)

    allows for children under the age of 26 to remain on their parents coverage. One of the responses to this push is to remind  20 somethings of this to allow them to plan for when they are off the family coverage when they turn 26. Touting the ability  to be on their parents plan until then is a geat ACA selling point and should be used!

    •  It was never "illegal".. (0+ / 0-)

      .. for parents to pay for their young, adult children's health insurance. .. for less than the combo of extra taxes/mandates/premiums, that the ACA brings..

      •  It's much cheaper to add a dependent (9+ / 0-)

        on the parents' employer-based policy, than to a pay for a separate individual (read: crappy) policy for the child.

        (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

        by TrueBlueDem on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:28:02 AM PDT

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      •  Not true (10+ / 0-)

        Having been through this -- covering a child who had aged out of family coverage was NOT inexpensive; it was COBRA coverage, and cost like $500 a month -- and that was ten years ago when my kids graduated from college.

        You seem to have absorbed the mythology about how much the ACA is going to cost in "taxes/mandates/premiums" -- on the contrary, for everyone under $200,000 a year in income (which means most people in their 20s and 30s and on up), there are no new taxes and significant subsidies available.

        •  Either COBRA coverage (3+ / 0-)
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          Or else some catastrophic care coverage that costs less than COBRA but more than most young adults can afford.

          Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

          by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:28:38 AM PDT

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        •  Not only that, but (4+ / 0-)

          if a family has to pay extra taxes (income of $200,000 or more) they can pay either the mandate (penalty) and still be without insurance or for insurance coverage - not both.  If the family pays insurance premiums, they will not be paying the penalty for avoiding the mandate.  Those families who earn less than $200,000 will not be paying extra taxes and can choose to pay the mandate penalty  - and remain uninsured - or pay for insurance.  And depending on how much less than $200,000 they make, they could be eligible for subsidies for the cost of their insurance.

          RweTHEREyet is being extremely disingenuous by claiming all three costs would affect any family.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:35:27 AM PDT

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          •  I didn't mean all three at once... (0+ / 0-)

            .. I meant all the costs that will pop-up and GROW, as the ACA settles in..  All this extra coverage doesn't just happen 'cause a law is signed.. it's gonna be paid for.. one way or another.. meaning re: up-to-26 coverage, it's nothing new or special.

            For reference.. when I was a young, uninsured adult; my parents bought me high-deductible, catastrophic coverage (about $200/mo now, for a 21 year old), and planned to help (if needed), pay for basic services, out of pocket.

            IOW.. the "forced" additional coverage doesn't amount to any advantage considering all the other ACA costs, coming down the pike

            •  The extra coverage means lower costs (1+ / 0-)
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              Lower costs are derived from insuring a larger and younger and healthier pool.

              That's why insurance companies bought in in the first place.

              Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

              by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 05:04:42 PM PDT

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            •  Hand that "it's nothing new or special" (1+ / 0-)
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              line to people who couldn't afford to insure their children (if needed) past their 18th birthday.

              "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

              by SueDe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:19:09 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  One problem with that... (0+ / 0-)

              ...is for young adults with pre-existing conditions, who would not be ABLE to buy individual insurance policies on the open market, separate from their parents. I've got a genetic disease, so I would have just been screwed if I hadn't been able to be on either a) a parent's group plan that couldn't refuse me, or b) in my own group plan through work (I ended up going to grad school, and getting group insurance that way, but lots of young adults who don't do that can't immediately get a job straight from college that provides them group insurance benefits). So what would you suggest people in that situation do, absent the protections in the ACA (like the option to stay on parental insurance, or to buy insurance on the exchanges)?

              Your whole premise here seems to assume that all young adults COULD buy insurance affordably on the individual market, and that none of them have preexisting conditions that would have made that problematic prior to the ACA. Your premises are false.

              Covering young adults, BTW, is quite cheap for insurers, as they are a pretty low-risk group, statistically. So closing the frequently seen "gap" between parental insurance and employer-based insurance for people has a huge benefit to society for a relatively low cost. So this particular part of the ACA is pretty much a no-brainer, except apparently for Republicans...oh wait...

      •  Not illegal but not offered (5+ / 0-)

        Although it was not "illegal" for parents to cover young adults under their (employer-sponsored) health care plans, few insurance companies offered it--

        that is until certain states, and then Obamacare, told them that they had to.

        Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

        by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:26:54 AM PDT

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  •  "Norman Ornstein, an expert on congressional...." (1+ / 0-)
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    Legend in his own mind?

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 09:56:02 AM PDT

    •  No, it's true. He really is an expert on (3+ / 0-)
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      congressional politics.  And as he and Thomas Mann remind us, the situation in today's congress is even worse than it looks.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:41:51 AM PDT

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  •  They still hate FDR and Social Security (20+ / 0-)

    and they will hate Obama and the law that bears his name for the next hundred years.

    Fuck 'em. :-)

    •  Bingo! (3+ / 0-)
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      So why in the hell is so much effort wasted to tell us what "they" think?  Who the fuck cares?  We know what they think and what they'll do.  

      The administration's push for Obamacare should have started and been vigorously ongoing from the day Obama signed it.  If the GOP is able to get a toehold into the debate, it's because not enough selling was done on the White House side.  

      •  _We_ do. (5+ / 0-)

        But if we don't viciously and repeatedly attack them for what they say and think, those people who don't know will only hear what  the GOP wants them to hear.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:41:01 AM PDT

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      •  disagree (5+ / 0-)

        Obama has been selling what he could. It's hard to sell something when you are still building the infrastructure, and can't tell people what it's going to cost them, where to buy it, which companies are going to be selling it where they live, etc. etc.

        And the media has given far more column inches to the GOP naysayers than to the President and Sec. Sibelius's sales efforts; and the spam-bots have been flooding the market with fake "Obamacare" ads; and the Foxites and Kochites have been flooding the airwaves with false information.

        I do not blame Obama for the difficulties here.

  •  Worth quoting Norm Ornstein in full (14+ / 0-)

    And he's hardly a liberal:

    "But to do everything possible to undercut and destroy its implementation—which in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options; to create disruption for the health providers who are trying to implement the law, including insurers, hospitals, and physicians; to threaten the even greater disruption via a government shutdown or breach of the debt limit in order to blackmail the president into abandoning the law; and to hope to benefit politically from all the resulting turmoil—is simply unacceptable, even contemptible. One might expect this kind of behavior from a few grenade-throwing firebrands. That the effort is spearheaded by the Republican leaders of the House and Senate—even if Speaker John Boehner is motivated by fear of his caucus, and McConnell and Cornyn by fear of Kentucky and Texas Republican activists—takes one's breath away."

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    I agree with every word he said.  Now watch them do exactly the same thing on immigration reform.  Their job is to sabotage the Administration and take power by any means possible.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 09:58:01 AM PDT

    •  And that's only the beginning. (0+ / 0-)

      Once they have successfully destroyed this president, the next installment of their plan is to take control of both houses of congress and the presidency when they have "proved" Democrats can't govern.

      Then comes the pièce de résistance: privatize every possible federal  program - "the commons" be damned.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:55:53 AM PDT

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  •  I particularly love the part about them creating (8+ / 0-)

    fake Obamacare cards that students can burn.  I can just see students lining up over the excitement of being able to burn fake cards.  

    I mean students are just waiting for a political party to tell them what to get upset over and provide them with fake cards to burn.  Particularly the students who are being as grateful as hell that they get to stay on their parents insurance policy all through their college years and don't have to worry about whether they get hurt or ill while attending school.  Yep.  That one is going to go over like a lead balloon.  Hope all their ideas are as brilliant as this one.

    "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

    by gustynpip on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:04:19 AM PDT

  •  Plunging Life Expectancy For Whites In Red States (9+ / 0-)

    It's a story that is dribbling out in the national media - it's out there but no Democrats are using it as an issue.

    Men are so necessarily mad that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:06:20 AM PDT

    •  Excellent question (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe the White House and the corporatist Democratic party are afraid to offend the tender sensibilities of the GOP.  Might make them uncooperative when it comes to debt ceilings.  

      Hey, wait a minute .............

  •  why is it ok (3+ / 0-)
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    To spend 1 trillion dollars turning old people into drug addicts, but not to save money with good preventative care making sure that we have an opportunity to stay healthy.  Is it because in the later case taxpayer money is not funneled into the like of Koch?

    •  A lot of Dems are concerned that young people (3+ / 0-)
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      won't sign up. Either they don't have the money or they don't think they need health insurance or both. Without young, healthy people in the pool, the plan fails. That's why the Dems are making a special effort to bring in the youth. If you know any young people who aren't insured, tell them about the subsidies available.

  •  too funny (3+ / 0-)
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    The group is designing a symbolic "Obamacare card" that college students can burn during campus protests.
    They really do think that people are stupid
    •  Maybe next is a fake bra (0+ / 0-)

      You know, Republican women can burn them to protest preventive care mammogram coverage.

      Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

      by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:31:46 AM PDT

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    •  They are right, a person may be smart but people (1+ / 0-)
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      are stupid, dumb, panicky sheep and you know it.  Just by being on this site you are well beyond the average person in that respect.  Just think of how dumb the average joe on the street (or in the store, or wherever) is and remember that half of them are even dumber than that.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:37:48 AM PDT

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    •  They have good reason to believe that. (1+ / 0-)
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      All their most fervent constituents, especially after gerrymandering, have proved they really are.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 12:16:53 PM PDT

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  •  Heard this on the Newshour (7+ / 0-)

    Two 20-somethings had this debate on the Newshour last night. The argument against was basically, if you are young and less likely to need coverage you are better off buying your own health insurance and steering clear of the exchanges. In other words, don't even bother researching Obamacare to see if it benefits you. Just reject it. Crazy argument. But sabotaging the new law by discouraging people from using it does seem to be the new strategy.

  •  Our august Dem Govs might try some August cheer... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...for their big Big State populations to prepare to mob the exchanges and be ready to take maximum advantage of ACA enrollments in October. Build a state based sense of friendly competition and excitement about the advent of consumer friendlier insurance terms and lower costs.  

    It's true that you can't convince people to love you but at least you can look and feel attractive.

    Also, Dems need to eat their implementation day fears that release one of ACA will flop becasue no matter what the bugs, it's going live and the bugs will be fixed on the fly.

  •  Legitimacy is at stake (3+ / 0-)
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    I know the Republicans view the federal government as the enemy and more specifically, want to deny Obama any victory, no matter how small.

    But how will this affect legitimacy long-term?  I'm more partisan perhaps than most, but I can't be alone in wondering what will happen if the Republicans ever get into the White House.  It is going to be very hard for me to grant basic legitimacy to any GOP administration if they win through this sort of unrelenting obstruction and outright sabotage. I'll view them as the enemy, as illegitimate, as usurpers. And in a way, that's kind of sad.  I'm not a crank or an extremist, and the fact that probably many people feel this way too illustrates how incredibly unhealthy the political life of this country is.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:08:44 AM PDT

    •  And this (6+ / 0-)

      And this has changed how for the last 20+ years.  

      The only reason Bill Clinton was able to get anything done was he signed GOP bills.  And happily so.  Hell, he was proud of it.  

      I'm more partisan perhaps than most, but I can't be alone in wondering what will happen if the Republicans ever get into the White House.  
      You're far from alone.  For many of us, the only reason we voted for Obama in 2012 was the fear of a Akin/Mourdock driven presidency by the GOP.  

      Were our fears irrational?  Some say, yes.  

      I say Texas/Ohio/North Carolina etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.  

    •  George W.'s election proved that your presidency (1+ / 0-)
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      doesn't have to be considered legitimate for your administration to get whatever it wants.  All you need is being told your presidency is legitimate by the Supreme Court (if the election doesn't go your way) and a compliant congress.  

      It helps to have a few truckloads of money behind you provided by the special interests also interested in for-profit privatizing of government services and a voting constituency you've convinced that privatization is more "efficient" than government - but they're not absolutely necessary.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 12:44:36 PM PDT

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  •  the illogic is stunning (1+ / 0-)
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    it must get very tiresome, though

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:09:29 AM PDT

    •  The apex & acme of Teh Stupid about it is... (0+ / 0-)

      ...that, under the status quo ante the ACA, any time someone w/o insurance presents at the ER, it is a near-certainty that their care will be more costly than if they'd been properly cared for before the crisis...
      And it is an absolute certainty that everyone else -- taxpayers and insurance-purchasers alike -- will have to pay their tab, thru the cost-shifting mandated by the legal requirement of the ER to.provide service.
      In other words, the unavoidable outcome of the Publicans' fight against socialized medicine is more, and less efficient, socialized medicine.
      Publican stupidity is infinite in magnitude, and ironic in nature.

  •  They are continuing the tactic of getting (3+ / 0-)

    people to think they are putting the best interests of the country above their own (which the gop has had them doing quite easily for some time now.)

    What gets me is that Obama's plan actually benefits the for-profit corporate giants who run the health insurance industry.  It is actually a market-based solution in a way, but IT IS OBAMA'S SOLUTION.  ...thus, they hate it and will do ANYTHING to keep it from working (including, but not limited to, indirectly maiming and killing Americans).

    They will never give up this seditious harmful bullshit.  I swear, they would watch a car with an Obama bumper sticker plunge into a lake, and instead of rescuing the occupants, they would set up a canopy and have a fundraising picnic, while fox broadcasts live from the scene and claims that the dead family in the car didn't deserve to live anyway.  Perhaps The Five or Fox and Friends could even broadcast their show live lakeside.

    Ayn is the bane! Take the Antidote To Ayn Rand and call your doctor in the morning: You have health insurance now! @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:11:38 AM PDT

  •  Sounds like an attempt at August 2009 rerun (2+ / 0-)
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    Republicans seem bankrupt of ideas. Obamacare was the focus for all those screaming town halls way back before Arlen Spector died.

     They have held the House for two years and have nothing to show for it--except an attempt to get rid of Medicare.

    They don't seem to get that the vast majority of the country has moved on from the Obamacare fight.

    The other thing that they haven't seemed to account for on the GOP side is that there's not the level of Progressive alienation from the Democratic Party this time around.

    There were no Moral Mondays in 2009.

    Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

    by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13:50 AM PDT

  •  Math (5+ / 0-)
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    I had a recent accident and spent the night in the hospital.  I ended up with 2 CSCANS and some oxygen and my maintenance drugs and a minimal pain medicine.  The hospital bill was $6300 and I paid $1.83 after insurance kicked in.  The question is, do you want to pay the 'full' hospital bill for the uninsured, or do you want to pay something that you can pay out of pocket.  It will only get worse, I wish my income adjustments were linked to medical costs.

  •  the republican party is now the party of (9+ / 0-)

    victorian england.  they want to turn america into a dicken's novel.

  •  If it is so "socially acceptable" to turn (7+ / 0-)

    down coverage, then every Congresscritter and Freedomworks and AFP employee pushing this meme should also turn down coverage personally and for their families.  
    Until then, assholes,  STFU!

    With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:15:47 AM PDT

  •  It will be very hard to effectively mislead (1+ / 0-)
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    When everybody can just log on to a website and see all of the options themselves.

    I expect this will succeed in whipping some poor/unemployed teabaggers into a frenzy to stay uninsured, but all of our core demographics will love it, and the electoral payoff should be significant.

    (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

    by TrueBlueDem on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:25:13 AM PDT

    •  The GOP base won't believe the options are real. (4+ / 0-)
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      They don't believe fact checking sites.  They don't believe anything except what Fox/Rush tells them.  If Fox tells them not to log onto the exchanges, they won't.  It is not hard to mislead the GOP base, they are completely mislead already and stand firm in their ignorance.

      “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

      by ahumbleopinion on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:54:54 AM PDT

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      •  That's fine. They will always hate ACA. (1+ / 0-)
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        A whole bunch of them are collecting SS and Medicare and constantly vote for those who would abolish those programs.

        We just need a strong majority behind it. Let the fringe whine.

        (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

        by TrueBlueDem on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:45:05 AM PDT

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      •  "misled" (0+ / 0-)

        The past tense of "lead" is "led," and that of "mislead" is "misled."
        I apologise; it's an occupational hazard.  I'm a teacher, and I can't turn it off even when I want to.

      •  Then if they become sick or injured (1+ / 0-)
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        their families can always put together fund-raising dinners, bake sales and golf tournaments to help cover medical expenses.  I see ads, articles and emails for these almost every week.  The difference is  - most of these patients have health insurance and need help just to make their co-pay.

        This month we are helping an under-30 young man whose co-pay for this round of chemo is over $20,000.

        The truth always matters.

        by texasmom on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 01:39:02 PM PDT

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    •  Poor unemployed teabaggers (2+ / 0-)
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      Most of them are probably on Medicare or disability.

      Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

      by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:34:36 AM PDT

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    •  Ahh, but you see (1+ / 0-)
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      that's where their attacks on Net Neutrality come into play. Make logging onto government sites (or wherever) hard/impossible, and you get all the best parts of Republicanism working against you completely!
      < /semi-snark>

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 12:14:48 PM PDT

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  •  Their base is mostly Fox watchers who are (3+ / 0-)
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    mostly over 65 and benefitting daily from F'ng MEDICARE, so they don't need the exchange and they'll get to keep the prescription drug benefits of ObamaCare at the same F'ng time.

    Damn.  How do we rid ourselves of F'ng Republicans?  Oh.  I know.  We F'ng VOTE in 2014 and throw them all to the curb.

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:30:44 AM PDT

  •  But, but, but Obamacare has replaced Medicare! (2+ / 0-)
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    That's literally what the fear-mongering wingers have been screaming at their gullible and terrified long-time Republican voters.

    Back when Lyin' Paul Ryan told a group of right wing retirees in Florida that Obamacare was going to destroy Medicare, the whole crowd booed. These gullible fools actually believe whatever frightens them the most. Worst, Lyin' Ryan promised to "save" Medicare by eliminating the future of Medicare somehow.

    To the gullible, it makes perfect sense to scream about keeping your hands off their Medicare.

    And there's no explaining any of this to them. They have been told that anyone who says otherwise is lying. Telling them that it's health insurance reform doesn't help. Telling them that it strengthens Medicare and provides more benefits, even when they've personally experienced the new benefits, goes nowhere. When they get refund checks from their private health insurance provider that says it's an Affordable Care Act benefit right on the check, it doesn't connect. If it said Obamacare it might connect, but I really doubt it.

    I remember a group of construction workers who were busy complaining about Obama and the "shovel ready" bailout funding. I mentioned that the Recovery and Reinvestment Act sign next to their work site was, in fact, the bailout that provided funds that they got in their paycheck. It didn't matter. I was lying according to them.

    The waste of time to repeal Obamacare is really just telling them that they're busy trying to keep Obama's hands off their Medicare.

    And they'll show up at the polls and vote against their own interests with more enthusiasm than ever.

    I have no idea how this bullshit can be turned around. Nobody knows, apparently. Otherwise this nonsense would never have happened.

    "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:32:20 AM PDT

    •  My crazy relative (2+ / 0-)
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      Her mother listens to crazy right wing radio, and was convinced that her Medicare payments would be going through the roof in a few months because of Obamacare.

      This was over a year ago.

      It didn't happen, but did she notice it was a lie?

      No--she had already moved on to screaming about the next right-wing scare mongering Obama-sponsored atrocity.

      Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

      by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:38:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Gotta keep juggling those scandalballs! n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 12:15:40 PM PDT

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      •  My MiL refuses to listen to RW radio (1+ / 0-)
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        She always votes for Democrats.
        She is a very nice lady.

        And she's 85 years old and afraid of everything. She's always been afraid of just about everything. None of her fears have ever happened, of course, but that has never made a bit of difference.

        I learned that she has always been afraid of black people. Somebody brought up the GZ acquittal. Immediately, my MiL was complaining that Trayvon should never have been in that neighborhood. What was he doing in there, anyway?

        Now, she's really, really hard of hearing. A half dozen people shouted that he frikkin' LIVED THERE! She kept asking why the hell he was in that neighborhood.

        Finally, that message got through. So she switched to "What kind of a name is Traaaay Vonnnnn, anyway?"

        Last visit, her biggest fear was SOCIALISM! Her family immigrated from Canada.

        We went through the don't-touch-my-medicare crap several times. She wanted to cancel her own medigap insurance coverage because of Obamacare. Nobody could figure out how the hell that one came to be.

        She really doesn't listen to RW talk. I know she doesn't see Faux Noise, too. I programmed it out of their  cable box myself. That's a good thing to do with old people. My FiL hasn't been nearly as awful as he was a year ago. He calls the cable company once in a while to complain that they're not giving him channel whatever-it-is (Faux). So far, his explanation of the problems has been indecipherable to the cable service folks. So he still can't get Faux Noise. But he still listens to RW talk once in a while.

        They're terrified. That's the bottom line. Fear trumps reality.

        "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

        by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 01:46:00 PM PDT

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        •  Good for you (2+ / 0-)
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          I love that you disconnected their Faux news channel!

          As for the other stuff, I'm doubting that they would be open to taking a Mindfulness course, where they would learn the basic mantra, "Thoughts are not facts."

          http://www.nytimes.com/...

          Too bad.  For their health, for their quality of life, as well as for their social outlook.

          Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

          by NCJan on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 02:52:42 PM PDT

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  •  So Republicans are stopping college age young (4+ / 0-)
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    adults from voting at their colleges and now want them to listen to their message of risking their health care costs by not buying into the exchanges.  I hope these young adults realize if something serious happens to them their parents would try to do everything to save them but might lose everything they own or saved for their retirement in doing so.

    Do not adjust your mind, there is a flaw in reality.

    by Shrew in Shrewsbury on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:34:12 AM PDT

  •  Those generously-bankrolled, so-called grassroots (3+ / 0-)
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    disruptions in the summer before the law was written should have given smart Dems in Congress and the White House an indication of how low the GOP would stoop in an effort to punish Obama and keep the pockets of their benefactors lined.  Instead, they underestimated the bottomless immorality of their foes, and crafted a law that was vulnerable to sabotage.  For example, states were allowed to opt out of the medicaid expansion; states were given permission to refuse to create their own exchanges, and prices in the exchanges could turn out to be less economical for people if too few younger, healthier people signed up.  Now, in a new, expensive disinformation campaign, one of our two political parties is set to further bring life or death harm their constituents in their pursuit of power at all costs.

    Frankly, the Koch brothers' machinations, in so many areas--energy, voting rights, workers' rights, gun laws, health care, women's health, etc., more and more make them into arch villains.  That so many GOP legislators are willing to join their cause just to show that uppity black man in the White House who's boss, reveals a shocking depth of depravity.  

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:36:03 AM PDT

    •  It was the Supreme Court that allowed states to (1+ / 0-)
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      opt out of the Medicaid expansion.

      “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

      by ahumbleopinion on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:57:42 AM PDT

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    •  Every time I read something like this diary ... (3+ / 0-)
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      ... I just think, "Can you guys just stop it with the 'George Soros' accusations?"

      FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity, a conservative issue group financed by billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch, known for funding conservative causes
      Why is it so horrible for one billionaire to be involved in politics by funding liberal causes ... but it's just fine for multiple, probably dozens of billionaires to be involved in politics by funding conservative causes?  

      (And don't forget corporations too -- their money is FREE SPEECH!)

  •  more like another day, another GOP showdown(sic) (0+ / 0-)

    when Norm Ornstein becomes relevant again, we're all in a really bad pundit-cycle

    "The best way to get the juices of that right-wing electorate and activist group going is to attack Obamacare - make everything that happens look awful and voters will rebel against it," said Norman Ornstein, an expert on congressional politics at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.[...]

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:38:10 AM PDT

  •  In those districts where the GOP rep is actively (1+ / 0-)
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    not helping their constituents. The DCCC or someone should ads nailing them to the wall for this.

    Something like, Do you know what you are losing out on because Rep. X will not help you deal with Washington?

    Then go on to tout the monetary savings people are missing out on because of this. Most people are saving up to X in your state for insurance. Etc.

    Then close with a line, if Rep X isn't looking out for you. Who is he looking out for? (with some ominous music or something like that to close I am not an ad person).

    alternatively do it in the style of a Harry and Louise ad or even in the style one of those infernal life insurance policy commercials.

    DCCC please take my ideas, I won't claim any intellectual copyright on them.

  •  Well that's just sad (3+ / 0-)
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    "The group is designing a symbolic "Obamacare card" that college students can burn during campus protests."

    Seriously all these people have left are cheap gimmicks.

    1. Books are for use.

    by looty on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:47:19 AM PDT

    •  I actually can't see many of today's (0+ / 0-)

      college students gathering to burn anything - well, anything legal, anyway.  It is surely prohibited on campuses, so they would have to find a nearby location willing to get a permit and host a small bonfire.  Around here, you would need to make a "donation" to the local VFD and have a full tank truck in attendance. They need to be careful, lest someone require medical care.

      Besides, the students might need to "unplug" for a few minutes to attend. I suggest the GOP just create and email a burning card app so the students can safely support a  virtual Obamacare card burning.

      The truth always matters.

      by texasmom on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 01:54:08 PM PDT

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  •  They have some powerful opponents in this (4+ / 0-)

    Blue Cross Blue Shield and Walgreens are teaming up to support the law's rollout. Those are a couple of LARGE companies, both of which stand to benefit immensely from the ACA. And in many areas of the US you can't swing a sack of potatoes without hitting a Walgreens.

    What happens if Walgreens decides that they're going to set up enrollment booths at every store? Or even just every other store? They could buy some Chromebooks and set them up alongside instructions on how to use local exchanges with some big benefit-touting displays. This is chump change to the money they stand to make from this.

    Of course, we can't rely on corporations to turn the tide on this. We need some countering grassroots movements as well. Possibly using the same Chromebook enrollment booth technique. Go to grocery stores, libraries, anywhere that people gather.

    The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them. - Albert Einstein.

    by Cvstos on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:06:12 AM PDT

  •  just think (1+ / 0-)
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    without the cons, right wingers, gopers, religious believers, fools, whatever you call them, where would the world be now without these fear mongers of the future holding the rest of civilization back, what a different and beautiful world it would be.

  •  The GoPee just Screwed (2+ / 0-)
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    every single college student that has an outstanding
    School Loan.

    I'm Pretty SURE that those College students KNOW
    exactly WHO it was that Screwed Them.

    Anyone that thinks College Students will Now Embrace
    ANYTHING Promoted by the GoPee is a Village Idiot.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:45:51 AM PDT

    •  You mean they won't blame the Dem's who just... (0+ / 0-)

      ...signed onto a "compromise" with the Publicans that will raise their rates more than had they done nothing at all?
      While simultaneously blaming the Publicans for the same thing?
      I'd love to hear how you think that will happen?

      •  Sorry... (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't mean to sound as rude as.that came out, and I apologise.
        Not your fault "our" pol's are the same kind of bad theirs are, but only a fraction as much.

        •  I Distinctly remember (1+ / 0-)
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          Elizabeth Warren (Democratic Senator) telling
          Everyone that College students should get the same
          loan rates as Wall Street.

          Can You Name ANYONE from the GOP that has made
          ANY kind of Offer to Help College Students?

          If you Can, Please Let the WORLD know who that Was.

          On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

          by Brian76239 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 03:46:28 PM PDT

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  •  Screw them. Call Obama! I called the O-exchange. (5+ / 0-)

    I asked if the exchanges would compete for supplemental policies (Advantage-style) to cover the 20% Medicare doesn't pay.
    They were polite, eager to please, called me back when they said they would after investigating my question, gave me other info I needed, and put me on a list to call back in October when the plan for a Medicare supplement can be revealed.
    There is SO MUCH INFO here obamacarefacts. Lazy people just don't want to read or know about it.
    It's all got to be boiled down into easy bullet points for them.

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes

    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:59:26 AM PDT

  •  Let me get this straight... (2+ / 0-)
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    They're trying to get college kids to be against the Affordable Care Act. The very same people that are benefiting off being on their parents insurance til they're 26. The very same people that the Republicans are trying to disenfranchise by preventing them from being able to vote. Good luck with that!

  •  I have been attempting (without success) to (1+ / 0-)
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    contact a LIVE person who is involved with the informational roll-out of this program.  I left message after message with various offices, and NADA back.  

    It is so frustrating to see how there are very simple ways the administration could reach every citizen with clear and simple information about this program without the citizen having to "seek it out" from uncooperative political offices.

    Does anyone out there know of a person(s) or office(s) that may be willing to have a 2 minute conversation with me about an idea I have to get this information out to every citizen in the country that doesn't require the person making a phone call or using a computer to learn how Obamacare will benefit them?

    Thanks for any suggestions.

    If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

    by livjack on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 12:42:17 PM PDT

  •  This is like (0+ / 0-)

    a campaign to convince motorcycle or bike riders to not wear helmets. Some uninsured people will not sign up at the exchanges because freedumz. But those who try to convince more to not sign up will have blood on their hands.

  •  Hopefully the Obama administration is now prepared (1+ / 0-)
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    to counter the Republican's misinformation campaign with a dedicated, organized effort to educate the public regarding this law.  If they had done so long ago, the Republicans would not have had a chance to distort it as they've done.    

  •  The Republican strategy? (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe I'm missing something -- I hope I am -- but....

    With no employer mandate, and only a minimal individual penalty for not purchasing insurance (at least in year 1), isn't there a huge incentive for 1) companies to dump employees from their health insurance programs and 2) for the dumpees and younger, healthier individuals to put off buying insurance until they get sick.  (At which time, they can't be refused because of a pre-existing condition.)

    If the Republicans, through shrewd and massively-funded media campaigns, can make those things happen on a large scale, isn't that a recipe for a health insurance "death spiral" that would doom Obamacare?

    •  I suspect that's part of the plan. (0+ / 0-)

      But I've never really bought the logic that strong "mandates" are necessary in order to get people to buy insurance. Not having insurance isn't smart even without the preexisting condition problem, because you can't sign up for insurance after the fact and have it cover expenses you incurred BEFORE signing up. So it would still be taking a huge risk to go without insurance, even with the exchanges. You could get hit by a bus, and incur millions of dollars in costs before being able to sign up for insurance even under the ACA.

      I suspect that really the ONLY thing that stops most people from buying insurance is a) the fact that it's so expensive, and b) that the perceived cost-benefit ratio has not been that great for these cheaper "catastrophic only" policies. If the costs are controlled and subsidized by the exchanges, and the policies have to meet better minimum standards than before, then I suspect that people would sign up, mandate or no mandate.

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