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Will Everyone Please Wake Up And Smell The Fumes ??

I am very close to giving up on all of you. Let me try one more time. You are being over-medicated by an industry that does not have your best interests at heart. Many of you have depression or anxiety disorders, and you take medications that your GP's or psychiatrists say will adjust the level of chemicals in your brain to make you feel better.

First question to the inquiring mind - do you actually feel better?

Second question to the inquiring mind - do you have side effects that make you question the benefit of taking the drug?

Third question - does going off the drug make you feel worse?

If, like almost all people, you answered, "No", "Yes" and "Yes", then we are on the path to truth.

Let me share something that EVERY,and I mean EVERY, scientist looking at mental health knows today - the levels of neurotransmitters in the brain has nothing directly to do with your mental health. Those levels are just a symptom of a deeper problem - the physical deterioration of brain cells that are then incapable of producing and making use of the right levels of chemicals. Pumping more neurotransmitters into the brain with today's medications is like pumping air into a tire that has a huge hole in it. Scientists know this now. Really. They'll let you know when they have a new drug that can actually do something about the problem. Until then, you can keep using the snake oil.

Do some research on your own. Don't believe a post on a website from me. You or your loved ones are being led around by the nose by the Pharma industry that has billions of dollars in sales in drugs that don't work. Read "The Emperor's New Drugs". Read about the ability of ketamine to relieve the symptoms of depression in one hour. Why do you trust your doctor when he/she gets all of her information from the drug companies?

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  •  well, as someone who has done signficant (2+ / 0-)
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    research on this I can tell you that the HPA axis is more times than not involved in what is traditionally called mental disorders.  

    Dysfunctions of that system lead to major disruptions of circadian rhythms and fluctuations in blood sugar, cortisol levels and do impact neural pathways.... but you have serotonin for example in your gut as much as your brain which is why so many side effects from these psychotrophic meds.

    Ketamine is a possibility but from what I hear has its own dangers.

    The latest issue of the DSM has caused major split because neurologists and biologists are so much more aware now from imaging the brain and also of the effectiveness of CBT in reprograming the brain.  Neuroplasticity and MBCT are fast becoming recognized as the best cure.

    Still, there are cases in which people who have experienced numerous incidents of MDD or bipolar do benefit from these medications ... but working with someone who is a pharmacist turned nutritionist/herbalist/integrated med specialist is IMHO THE best way to go to find how to teach your body to create itself the dopamine or serotoin or GABA or other enxyme or neurotransmitter.

    •  I'm not saying we have the answers today... (0+ / 0-)

      ...but we know yesterday's answers are at best half-solutions. The traditional formulation that illnesses are caused low levels of seratonin, dopamine or any other neurotransmitter is not taken seriously by anybody in the research community today. There are numerous new theories, ranging from looking at mental illness as auto-immune disorders causing inflammation to the cutting edge work in epigenetics looking at the possibility of curing mental illness by stripping away methyl groups that have attached to the dna of sufferers.

  •  The drugs do have their role (2+ / 0-)

    I'd agree that Americans are over medicated.  But still, I'd also say that depression is undertreated.

    So begging to differ:  the drugs do help some people, and they do save lives.  So take the diarist's advice with deep skepticism.  The life you save may well be your own.

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    by mbayrob on Sun Aug 04, 2013 at 12:41:51 AM PDT

    •  i have no axe to grind, no benefit here, so... (0+ / 0-)

      ...please do read "the emperor's new drugs". The author has done the research to prove that the active ingredients in anti-depressants have absolutely no effect on depression. Anti-depressants act as placebos, and for about 1/3 of people they can heal themselves with the crutch of a placebo. Of course, they can heal themselves with exercise or therapy, so taking a placebo that costs money and has bad side effects is not the best choice. An objective view of the largest study on anti-depressants ever done, the Star*D study, showed that 93% of patients dropped out of the study even though the meds were free, and the remission rate was no different that what you would see with exercise.

  •  An absolute sign that someone is blowing smoke (4+ / 0-)

    is saying that "EVERY,and I mean EVERY, scientist" agrees on anything. Doesn't happen. Ever.

  •  I'm awake! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry but I think this is the first writing of yours I have seen. So don't give up on anyone. You never know exactly who you reach, or how they hear you on the internets.

    My decade+ of personal experience matches closely what you describe. Early on it was not so blatant, but around the time as the Medicare Part D fiasco prescriptions really blew up.

    The approach by even the General Practitioners was alarming. It's not health care any more. It's Dr.'s waiting for patients to ask them about what they've seen on tv lately. Too sad? Can't pee? Can't not pee? Can't get it up? Etc.. All wrapped up in a gigantic one-way billing machine.

    I cry watching the ACA money getting pissed away on inept private contractors. And fraudulent billing on Medicare statements. It's not going well.

    Dismantling the corruption that Bush allowed was the change I was hoping for. hmph.

    I looked up ketamine. Mmm, dissociative anesthesia. I agree that would probably help a lot of people. The ones who see and feel all of what is happening, and can't shut it off. The frogs that feel the boiling, so to speak.

    Thank you for this diary.

    •  about ketamine....search ketamine + depression (0+ / 0-)

      like many drugs, the effects of ketamine are dose dependent. It has been used safely for 50 years as an operating room anesthetic. It has been used safely for over 10 years to treat the pain illness CRPS. Consider these as "moderate dosages". It has been abused over the past 15 years or so as a club drug, at very high dosages. And it has been proven to relieve depression in very low dosages. To understand the differences I'm talking about - the abuse amount of drug is 3x the depression amount, snorted in one second compared to delivered over one hour resulting in a dosage rate for abuse that is 5,400 times greater that the dosage rate for depression. Guess what, most things will kill you if you take them at 5,400 times the recommended dosage rate. Drink 3 gallons of water in 3 hours and it will kill you.

  •  fish oil, not ketamine (0+ / 0-)

    Modern farming methods cause an omega-3 fatty acid deficiency in our food.  This, combined with lack of sunlight exposure, is the cause of much of modern depression.

    •  I prefer hempseed oil over fish oil (0+ / 0-)

      Here's why.

      Read more about hemp seed oil here.

      As far as the drug thing...based on personal experience I would definitely agree.

      I had a father who was on medication for 'nerves', and he was a madman. Librium was one of the drugs with lots of beer to wash them down. Who knows what else he was on.  I had to hold him down on the bed and threaten his life so he wouldn't beat my Mom anymore.

      I have a wife who was on Lorazepam for several years after a mastectomy. No thanks, it almost caused a divorce. Now she smokes pot instead.

      And a sibling who considered suicide while on medication for brain seizures.

      I'm sure those drugs are necessary for some, but I sure haven't seen anything but the bad side of them.

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      by elkhunter on Sun Aug 04, 2013 at 07:02:28 AM PDT

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    •  I was given ketamine in a hospital (1+ / 0-)
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      and had the worst, scariest experience of my life. They didn't warn me that it was a hallucinogenic drug, and I had a bad trip on it.

      Why replace one drug protocol with another?

      working for a world that works for everyone ...

      by USHomeopath on Sun Aug 04, 2013 at 09:14:30 AM PDT

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      •  See my earlier comments on dosage... (0+ / 0-)

        ...at the dosage for an operation, about 10% of people do have hallucinations. At the anti-depressant dosage, you are not even asleep and NO ONE HAS EXPERIENCED hallucinations. There are many trials of ketamine for depression, do some research.

    •  and you got your medical degree from...? (0+ / 0-)

      Some people will simply get better from depression no matter what they do. For about 2/3 of people, not so much. To be clear, I and my children are amongst the 2/3, so your answer is not particularly satisfying. I've taken more omega 3 and ate more fish than you could stand smelling. For most people, it does not work.

  •  Is this some scientology horseshit? (3+ / 0-)
  •  Coming from a family where a number (3+ / 0-)
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    Of people have mental illness (and as someone who takes a psychiatric drug), this diary is pure tripe.  Medication saves lives, and BS like this is what shames people and discourages them from seeking help.  What a load of unsubstantiated garbage wrapped up as sophisticated "I'm in the KNOW" preaching.

    •  your opinion is your right, how about.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....serving it up with a little humility. I have SMI as do many of my family members, this diary comes from painful life experience. Today's medication's save lives at the cost of others and at the cost of heavy side-effects for all. That's the truth. The average life expectancy for someone with an SMI is 20 years lower than the average life expectancy, and almost all of that difference is due to the metabolic effects of the drugs we take. You can live in denial about that if you choose, but the fact is you will be going to your family member's funeral decades earlier than you would be otherwise because of the meds they are on.

      I am not saying take no meds. I am on meds. I am saying choose which ones advisedly, and understand the tradeoffs. And keep the pressure on pharma to bring new drugs to market that have a better trade-off of benefits to risks.

      I want my children to live past their 50th birthday - what parent wouldn't?

  •  A good fast walk every day (1+ / 0-)
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    wilderness voice

    10 to 20 minutes of quiet sun light daily

    Stop drinking

  •  Ketamine (1+ / 0-)
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    A big caveat re ketamine; it is associated with developmental neurotoxicity so please do not take if you are pregnant or might be pregnant.

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    by barbwires on Sun Aug 04, 2013 at 09:30:36 AM PDT

  •  You try to deal with a family member with (0+ / 0-)

    a mental illness without access to medication. Even with medication it's very difficult. I'm really tempted to HR this piece of crap but probably won't.

    •  I DO have family members with SMI... (0+ / 0-)

      ....as well as having to deal with my own diagnosis of bipolar disorder. I never said stop taking medications, I said challenge the assumption that what your doctor is suggesting is the best option for you. Read. Talk to other sufferers. Try the drug with the least side effects first, move to the more dangerous ones only if you have to.

      And push, push and push for something better - the research labs are humming with new alternatives that can make a real difference in people's lives.

      Pretending that today's meds are great when they so obviously are not is just a way of blaming the victim when they fail.

      •  Oh, I completely agree that most drugs we have (0+ / 0-)

        right now have serious side effects and in many cases don't work well. It's just that old drugs were much worse. Sorry that I misunderstood your diary.

        •  No worries and my comments were... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...specific to depression and anxiety disorders where the tradeoff of benefit to side effects of today's meds are way out of whack. Other disorders with worse untreated symptoms, like bipolar and schizophrenia absolute require medication and have options where although the side effects are problematic they are in proportion to the benefit received.

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