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I read this this morning in the Wall Street Journal....."Confident Biden Team Sows Seeds For 2016."  It goes on to say....

"Political allies of Vice President Joe Biden have concluded that he can win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination—even if Hillary Clinton enters the contest—and are considering steps he could take to prepare for a potential candidacy."
I think it should read...."Delusional Biden Team sows seed for GOP victory in 2016.

Joe Biden is never going to be POTUS of the US unless something happens to Barak Obama.   That is the reality.  

Dems didn't want him in the past as POTUS.  Dems don't want him in the future as POTUS.   I'm quite certain that there's polling that would back that up.  If you happen to have it, please feel free to comment.  

And his candidacy would be a total f***ing disaster for the Dem party in 2016.   And here's a hint about his future as a POTUS candidate in the future......HE WILL NEVER WIN!!!

Why?  Partly because he is Barak Obama's Vice President which means that the sins of Obama get automatically  passed onto Biden.   And we all know how the GOP feels about POTUS Obama.  I believe they have made and continue to do so, that perfectly clear.  

Also, Biden's postition on marijuana will never work.  The next Dem candidate better be ready to remove pot from the Controlled substance act or face a lot of voters just plain revolting and staying home.  

There are many other reasons why Biden won't win but mostly because he is Vice President and a VP hasn't won since Bush in 1988 and even longer period of time before that.  

Honestly, Hillary Clinton actually has the best shot to win and to do something Barak Obama hasn't been able to do and something she couldn't have done in 2008.   That is to unite the country.  

But if she doesn't run, then the Dems will need a candidate that is not directly linked with Barak Obama's policies; a charismatic leader with good ideas and a strong policies of their own.   Sounds like Hillary to me.  

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  •  Tip Jar (2+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, thenekkidtruth

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    by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 05:54:27 AM PDT

  •  Hillary Clinton. Unite the country. (8+ / 0-)

    Uhhh-huh.

    So, you tell me Joe Biden is delusional...

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 05:59:27 AM PDT

    •  She could not have done it in the past (2+ / 0-)
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      Stude Dude, mookins

      and she won't get the crazy vote no matter what.  But she will unite the country because today people like and respect her and they like and respect her husband despite his past.  
      The GOP will try to villify anyone but Hillary has already been through the fire numerous times and come out clean.  Even the stupid people will concede that fact.

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      by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:06:17 AM PDT

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      •  I voted for Obama because he was so unifying. (3+ / 0-)
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        mookins, terrybuck, hlsmlane

        It just doesn't work that way anymore. Anyone who gets the Democratic nomination will be the devil incarnate to 43%+ of the population. Look what they did to John Kerry. Look at "There are no red states or blue states" Obama, who is now "the first Racist-in-Chief."

        You and I think Hillary has come out clean. No Republican is going to think that.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:31:00 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly what I was thinking (1+ / 0-)
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      hlsmlane

      Has pollchecker entirely forgotten how much flack was thrown at Hillary when Bill was President? Has he forgotten her push for healthcare?

      In most family's, if someone farts they blame it on the dog. In my wingnut family, if the dog farted, they blamed it on Hillary.

  •  C'mon Pollchecker.... (2+ / 0-)
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    matador, dennis1958

    Get real! The 2016 election is more than three years away and no one knows what is going to happen. And just because you say Biden won't win doesn't make it so.

    •  come back in 4 years then (0+ / 0-)

      and tell me that.  Biden won't carry Washington State and Colorado with his pot stance and Dems can't win without those states.  
      And you don't know who I am or what information I am privy to.  Only NSA knows that!

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      by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:34:43 AM PDT

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  •  I would vote for Joe Biden. (4+ / 0-)

    Biden also might have a snowball's chance of peeling off some blue collar vote from the GOP. Who knows. See, that's why we have primaries. Let those who want to run, run.

    Whoever does run, however, is going to have to have a pretty good dirty tricks department though to counter the GOP.

    I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

    by commonmass on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:21:39 AM PDT

  •  Everybody knows... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Ashley Judd is running for President in 2016! /snark

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:23:59 AM PDT

  •  I'm Sure She Will Win if She Runs (2+ / 0-)
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    diffrntdrummr, mookins

    But "she can win" is no excuse to vote for bad policies. She is another Corporate Democrat who will continue the deregulation, justifying it by claiming she is only being pragmatic about what will pass, and will be all out war-mongering if only to out-dick swing the Republicans. I also would suspect war profiteering though not at the Cheney level.

    People are tired of voting against Republicans only to find Republican policies remain unabated because the Democrat they voted for is "pragmatic".

    •  Would you rather have (0+ / 0-)

      President Christi?  President Cruz?  President Rand paul???

      Good Lord.  Besides maybe you would be voting against a Republican  but a lot of people would be voting for Hillary hence the unifying factor.  

      Statistics show that people overall like and respect Hillary and her accomplishments and like her husband.    Statistics don't lie.  

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      by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:39:34 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah I Know (0+ / 0-)

        President Cruz is really the big unifier and three years out is already the go-to squelcher for any dissent on the Hilary coronation. Bad Policies. Both her and her husband.

        •  I realize you are being sarcastic but (0+ / 0-)

          you are missing the point.  Hillary can win, Biden can't.  Why can't Biden?  I've said why in the first post.  Maybe you don't like Hillary, but the general public does.  Women do.  And they like her husband.  
          Policy?  People don't care about policy.  If they did they never would have voted for GW Bush in 2000!  
          Barak Obama didn't become POTUS because of his policies.  He won because he was more likeable than McCain or Romney.  

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          by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:05:40 AM PDT

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      •  So what, you think Hillary Clinton is the only (0+ / 0-)

        democrat out there who can beat those people?

        One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulation of guns. --- John Oliver

        by voroki on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 10:29:35 AM PDT

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  •  I like Joe (1+ / 0-)
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    He's got a heart.  He's really got heart.  And that's rare these days.

    Depending on the competition, I might vote for Joe Biden not only once, but possibly twice.  It's left to be determined, btw, if Hillary selects Biden as her VP, should she decide to run.  Remember, the two did breakfast a few weeks ago.

    When they call roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty'. --Teddy Roosevelt

    by thenekkidtruth on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:45:25 AM PDT

    •  do you live in Washington or colorado? (0+ / 0-)

      Does nobody ready anything more than the first paragraph?

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      by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:58:17 AM PDT

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      •  Do you really think that (1+ / 0-)
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        FG

        legalizing marijuana is going to be the tipping point in a presidential election?  Especially when it obviously can be legalized at the state level.  The only thing that makes the legalization issue any more than a blip on the radar is the "War on Drugs" that's gotten our priorities so upside down.  But give me a candidate who can convince me that s/he can reign in Big Brother domestic surveillance, extrajudicial killing, rendition, torture, legalized theft by Wall Street, privatization of education and retirement, corporate welfare that shifts 95% of the tax burden onto the backs of the working class, and a general trend toward a 12th century feudal system but... doesn't have a dog in the legalization fight -- which, except for medical uses -- is no more a necessity than Jack Daniels and that candidate will get my vote.  There's a lot wrong in this country, and in terms of priority items recreational reefer is way down my list.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:27:10 AM PDT

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        •  Ever heard of electoral college? (0+ / 0-)

          It's why we have red states and blue states?  You underestimate the impact that pot is going to make over the next few years.  And any candidate that goes to colorado or washington (do you live there) is going to have to be pro-pot or risk losing the state.  This is not just my opionion, this is what statistics show us to be true.
          Who cares what the issues are to you.  No one but you.  You are only one person.  Just like me.  I can sit home and it makes no difference.  But I live in a red state so it really doesn't matter.  
          If Dems lose either colorado or Washington State they may not be able to win enough electoral votes to keep the WH.  It is what it is.  I don't get what is so hard about this concept.

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          by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:37:23 AM PDT

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          •  No, I don't live in WA or CO (2+ / 0-)
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            In fact, I live in one of those red southern states.  But as WA and CO have shown us, you don't need POTUS to legalize pot, and I suspect that the issues that are important to me are important to a lot of people.  As for the electoral map, WA and CO total 21 EV's between them, meaning Obama could have lost both states in 2012 and still won the electoral college 321-227 -- 84 EV's.  That may be why it's hard to sell the concept.

            Making a presidential election a one-issue race is something the anti-choice (and others, but they're the loudest) have tried to do ever since 1973.  It doesn't work, except with a small number of very narrowly focused voters.

            I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

            by mojo11 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:57:23 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I did. What I read was you are assuming (2+ / 0-)
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        FG, terrybuck

        Hillary will remove pot from the controlled substance list with absolutely no evidence of that.

        One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulation of guns. --- John Oliver

        by voroki on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 10:32:37 AM PDT

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  •  We need an alternative to Clinton (1+ / 0-)
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    tardis10

    but Biden ain't it. I agree he would lose the general election - assuming the GOP goes with someone who is electable (Rubio, Christie)

    •  I don't understand what's wrong with Hillary (0+ / 0-)

      I guess the question should be, does the Dem party want to win in 2016?

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      by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:59:41 AM PDT

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      •  A few points. First, we are a long way away (3+ / 0-)
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        Jerry056, FG, terrybuck

        from 2016.  Second, I agree Biden has an electability problem -- the polls show that.  His age hurts and I think it is unlikely he would win in a primary or general.  Third, many people here have issue differences with Hillary Clinton (AUMF vote) and some with Bill Clinton from the 1990s.  Many here condemn Obama as conservative.  Clinton is slightly to his right, or at least the same on most key issues.  Fourth, Daily Kos is not reflective of the Democratic Party as a whole.  African Americans, Latinos, union members, and women are under represented here.   All polls show Clinton with significant support among Democrats.  

        Hillary Clinton is like many -- good and bad points, strengths and weaknesses.  I can vote for her, but I think many on Daily Kos will have a lot of trouble with her.  Her relative hawkishness bothers me, but she has good points also.  One of her best (besdies the historic nature of her candidfacy, which is important) is that she understands the nature of the Republican enemy.  She knows all about the "vast right wing conspiracy."  

        This will all heat up after Nov. 2014.  I expect it to be vicious here.  

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        by TomP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:09:38 AM PDT

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        •  There are a lot of things about Hillary (1+ / 0-)
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          TomP

          that bother me.  But there are more things about Biden that bother me.   And the Democratic powers that be don't want to lose the WH to the GOP, so they will listen to the statistics and support Hillary.  
          Again, if you or anyone else here can find me a more likeable Dem, then hey let's look at them.  But I don't think there is.  And currently, statistically, there isn't.

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          by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:23:48 AM PDT

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    •  Rubio? (0+ / 0-)

      Christie might be able to poach a few votes, but he's such a buffoon I'm not even sure about him.  But Rubio?  Marco Rubio?  Only if you manage to hogtie every woman and minority voter for the duration of the electoral process.  He might have some initial cred with the Hispanic voters outside of FL, but it would evaporate as soon as he opened his mouth.  And I don't personally know of a woman who'd touch him with a barge pole. (Not to say there aren't some, I just don't know any of them.)  Unless there's a candidate the GOP has kept in hiding who's ready to leap out of the Trojan Rabbit, they don't look any better off in 2016 than they did in 2012.  It's the same clown car minus Bachman (probably) and Rmoney® (probably), plus Christie, Rubio and possibly Cruz.  And "electable" isn't an adjective I'd use to describe any of them.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:34:58 AM PDT

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      •  Hey since GW Bush won I don't rule anything out. (0+ / 0-)

        Again, it's called electoral college. And there are a lot of people out there that would probaby vote for Rubio just because he is a Republican and he is better looking than most other Republicans.

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        by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:40:43 AM PDT

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        •  Dubya stacked the deck (0+ / 0-)

          He stole the 2000 race (or his brother stole it for him) and the Dems fed him Kerry as cannon-fodder in 2004 when he could just about have changed the national anthem to The Yellow Rose of Texas if he'd wanted to, because terrists.   And I won't say it couldn't happen again, but hopefully Americans learned something from that debacle.  A great many people voted for Rmoney® for the very reason you describe -- a lot of nose-holding went into GOP ballots, to be sure.

          Rubio's biggest weakness is with women and minorities, and with both of those demographics growing by the year, that's a big deal.  Also, being a minority himself may hurt him with some percentage of the angry white base. Cruz will have the same problem, coupled with his Canadian birth certificate (even though he's legally a native born American by virtue of having an American mother... but you see how effective an argument THAT is, especially if you're a minority.)

          Christie may be more palatable, but just barely.  He's got the Archie Bunker vote, but can he sell it in the South?  The Midwest?  He's a rube, but so was Dubya and it didn't seem to hurt him any.  Of the three, he's probably the most likely suspect.  But if he's the best they got, there's reason to be optimistic.

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 08:12:44 AM PDT

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          •  I don't know... (1+ / 0-)
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            Jerry056

            they voted for W twice.   There are a lot of uninformed or just plain stupid people in this country who vote.   And it's been proven the sheep will unwaveringly  follow the GOP party even if it leads straight to hell.

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            by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 08:35:27 AM PDT

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            •  Voter turnout and Florida were the story in 2000 (1+ / 0-)
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              terrybuck

              which had the lowest voter turnout of any presidential election... ever I think.  Low turnout always works in the GOP's favor, which is why there are so many ALEC-written voter suppression laws coming out now that the VRA has been eviscerated.  In 2004 I thought Kerry (or even my dog Tonka) would have made a better president, but he wasn't a better candidate -- meaning he wasn't as salable. Opposition parties tend to hold out their stronger candidates when running against an incumbent, simply because really smart people decided it's very hard to defeat a sitting president.  Not sure why that's true, but the GWB 2004 campaign certainly serves as an example.

              And yes, the low-information or apathetic voter is always a problem, no matter who's running.

              I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

              by mojo11 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 09:33:14 AM PDT

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  •  Not interested in a Biden candidacy (0+ / 0-)

    but I also think HRC may not be anywhere near as electable as you seem to believe. Mostly though,I think it is too soon to speculate.

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:04:53 AM PDT

    •  she will win using the same strategy as Obama (0+ / 0-)

      she will be the first woman POTUS.   And compared to whatever clown the GOP puts up there, she will win the likeability contest irregardless.  
      You guys seem to think that elections are about something tangible.  Those days are gone.  The majority of the people who vote for POTUS don't have a clue about the issues.  The vote on likeability and whatever single thing that most effects their lives like gay marriage, pot, abortion, etc.   They don't think about things like Supreme Court, policies, etc.  
      You find me a more likeable Democratic candidate than Hillary right now and then will talk more.  But right now, there isn't one.  Certainly not Joe Biden.

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      by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:19:08 AM PDT

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      •  Again,it is too soon to speculate but... (0+ / 0-)

        My guess is that if the GOP nominates a crazy social conservative then HRC has a reasonable shot at being elected.If the GOP wises up, and nominates Christie (or someone similar like????) I predict HRC will likely lose. Because many find Christie fresh,authentic and likable and because holding the WH after 8years is an uphill slog,almost always.
         

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:32:44 AM PDT

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        •  Christi can be seen as pro pot if he signs the (0+ / 0-)

          medical marijuana bill.    Whether or not he can beat HRC is not clear.  A lot depends on how much to the right he moves in primary debate.  
          Also, HRC has the female vote especially among young Republican women.  Anytime the Dems can get republicans to vote for their candidate, that's a good sign.

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          by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:43:01 AM PDT

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  •  I tell you this right now, I voted for Kerry (0+ / 0-)

    I voted for Obama twice but I will not vote for Hillary and I will not vote for Biden.

    You can send all that "Would you then rather have GOP nightmare as President???" my direction.

    Because that's all the Democrats have anymore. In fact, I got a fund raising call a few weeks ago and while I was in the middle of telling that person to fuck off, they broke out exactly that line: "So, you want a Republican to be President?"

    Maybe Hillary could ask DiFi to be Veep?

    We could break two glass ceilings at once! Imagine how good we would all feel about ourselves!

    collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk

    by Tirge Caps on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:09:36 AM PDT

    •  I expect your view to be a strong minority (1+ / 0-)

      of commenters here in 2015.  In the end, though, I doubt Hillary needs your vote.  

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      by TomP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:13:45 AM PDT

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    •  it may not matter (0+ / 0-)

      depending on where you live.  If you live in a red state, who cares if you vote?  You can vote or not vote, it won't matter, it will still end up red.  So let's get real.  
      I for one wouldn't want any of the above mentioned people picking the next supreme court members.  GW Bush F***ed that up real well.  
      Perhaps you should check out the Green party or the Libertarian party.  Then maybe you could find a candidate that you could vote for.  

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      by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:14:39 AM PDT

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      •  Truthfully, the number of those who from the left (1+ / 0-)

        reject Hillary likely will not matter.  If she runs, she has a very good chance to win, even if many on the left sit this one out.  In fact, opposition from such folks might increase her support in palces like Mo and Ky. and Ga.   I'm not sure Clinton cares a lot about that sector of the left.  She will have labor, Latinos, AAs, etc.  College-educated left wing "radicals" don't really make up much of the voters.    

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        by TomP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:19:08 AM PDT

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        •  It would only make her more likable if (1+ / 0-)

          the progressives don't like her.  which as you have correctly pointed out will help her win in the midwest.  
          Look, politically, I'm progressive, but the progressives don't have a candidate first of all.  If they did, they would need that person to have more experience and be more likeable than both Hillary and Bill together.    Who is that going to be???  If there are so many unhappy people with Hillary, then put someone up there.  But it certainly isn't Joe Biden.  He's not a progressive's white night.  But the progressive's don't have a candidate, so they have a choice to sit out and let the GOP win or do what most of us have been doing for years....vote against the GOP irregardless of who the candidate is.  And statistics show that independents both men and women like Hillary so the progressives might not even be needed.

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          by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:30:40 AM PDT

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          •  Not true! re: (0+ / 0-)
            that person to have more experience and be more likeable than both Hillary and Bill together.
            Obama showed us that's not true, despite the fact we were wrong about him.

            collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk

            by Tirge Caps on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:35:22 AM PDT

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          •  The "progressives" in the population at large (1+ / 0-)
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            Jerry056

            will support Hillary Clinton, even if they don't agree with her on everything.   The Daily Kos "progressives" will not.  

            At this point, Hillary looks very strong.  But the election is still far off.

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            by TomP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:44:27 AM PDT

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            •  Looking forward (1+ / 0-)
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              TomP

              things always look a long ways off.  Never seems that way look back though, now does it?  
              Besides the progressives here don't elect the POTUS.  They barely elect Congressmen/Senators.

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              by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:50:29 AM PDT

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          •  Oh, from what I have heard, she's likeable enough. (0+ / 0-)

            With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

            by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 12:34:45 PM PDT

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        •  Hey, "radicals" brought you the weekend, so don't (0+ / 0-)

          be a hater!

          And we're not all "college educated"

          Some of us learnt our beliefs in the real world.

          And labor?

          Yeah, labor really loves the Clintons.

          collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk

          by Tirge Caps on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:33:28 AM PDT

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          •  I was speaking of reality. (1+ / 0-)
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            Jerry056

            Not criticizing "radicals."

            You did not bring anyone the weeknd,  Years ago, working men, and some working women, put their asses on the line, and some even died.  They did far more than posture on a blog.

            I see nothing to indicate that you can take credit for their accomplishments.

            As for labor, I will bet you anything that the AFL-CIO and others endorse Hillary Clinton is she runs.  Many did in 2008.

            I would prefer a more left candidate that could win, but I don't see any.  My real point is that the Daily Kos left is weak and does not reflect the population at large.  You can yell at me for saying that, or get out an organize and change that fact.    

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            by TomP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:42:49 AM PDT

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            •  Radicals brought you the weekend. (0+ / 0-)

              I, personally, did not.

              Who else is the AFL-CIO going to endorse?

              That doesn't mean labor has a lot of faith in the Clintons. Have you forgotten NAFTA?

              collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk

              by Tirge Caps on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:50:37 AM PDT

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            •  Now this I will agree with wholeheartedly. (1+ / 0-)
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              TomP

              Here, here!  

              If they don't like Hillary, then they have 2 years to give us a candidate that will a)beat Hillary and b) beat the GOP.  

              I don't think there is one.  Time will tell.

              But it certainly isn't Joe Biden.  And Joe Biden is not going to be our next POTUS.   Anyone who thinks that is dellusional.  And the entire point of the article was to point that out since apparently there are some people with big bucks that seem to think otherwise.  

              With that, I bid you a wonderful day as I leave and go back to work.

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              by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:53:41 AM PDT

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          •  This post makes no sense at all. (0+ / 0-)

            enough said.  If you are going to post, it should at least make sense.  And you should not make so many assumptions in one post.  You will usually be wrong!

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            by pollchecker on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:46:42 AM PDT

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  •  He won't win the primary but I don't see how (0+ / 0-)

    he will ruin anything by running.

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