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My daughter sent this to me.  Her friend N posted it on her Facebook page.  N is a pediatric cardiologist who is with an organization like Doctors without Borders, is presently serving in Africa and was last in Palestine. This a video about the deaths caused by the use of sarin gas in Damascus Syria.  It is gut wrenching. I have posted it as a link so you can choose whether to watch it or not.  It is only 3 minutes long, but it will make you weep.


As my daughter said, "As a mother, it broke my heart. As a human it seared my soul."

This is what war does ...  what the greed for power and control does ... what happens when you see people, the least and the weakest, as collateral damage.

We must weep for them and mourn. We must work to prevent this inhumanity.

Thank you for bearing with me as I weep.

Originally posted to More and Better Democracies on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 11:53 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    "I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Trayvon Martin a ride home to get him out of the rain that night." Greg Martin, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Central Florida

    by CorinaR on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 09:46:14 AM PDT

  •  So tragic. (7+ / 0-)

    As is the entire situation in Syria.

    And I have very little clue as to what the right course of action is except for providing support to all the refugees.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 10:13:56 AM PDT

  •  Thank you. (4+ / 0-)
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    DRo, CorinaR, jan4insight, Chacounne

    The world must see this. And my deepest gratitude for 'N' and her vital work.  May she stay safe.

    Follow Me on Twitter!!/ZeddRebel

    by TarantinoDork on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 10:14:09 AM PDT

  •  Well, we wanted (6+ / 3-)
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    protectspice, oloos, Duckmg, Lepanto, PhilK, zootwoman
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    Mokurai, Bob Love, bevenro

    to "get rid" of Assad (and cripple Syria) as a step toward "getting" Iran so we funded a "revolution" that didn't work out as planned so now we have to stage a WMD "incident" to justify more direct involvement and "turn the tide of battle" in favor of the "rebels".

    Iraq is far worse off now than it was under Saddam, and Syria is and will be far worse off too . . . and that is the plan.  Our plan.

    When you figure out who wants it that way you will know who to blame.

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 10:42:50 AM PDT

  •  This is a crime against humanity. (1+ / 0-)
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    Those responsible must be brought to justice; I don't care who they are.

    May the loved ones of those who have died, and those who have been injured, be granted peace.

                    In tears,

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

    by Chacounne on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:43:33 AM PDT

    •  Thank you for responding to the hurt (0+ / 0-)

      and anguish in the video ...

      If we can't mourn for these situation I really wonder what good our "liberalism" does. I have been disappointed in the comments and the apparent need to fight and be spiteful to each other, pointing fingers and HR'ing. I thought I had deleted this post last night because the responses, but apparently I must have hit the wrong button. Maybe it is just as well for it is a demonstration of how quickly we get off track in our attempts to "be right" and how we fight each other over things that we can do nothing about.

      I am not sure which hurts more, the video or the response.


      "I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Trayvon Martin a ride home to get him out of the rain that night." Greg Martin, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Central Florida

      by CorinaR on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 08:09:25 AM PDT

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  •  I am somewhat skeptical (6+ / 0-)

    Way back in my younger days, during the Reagan Administration's efforts to produce binary nerve gases in the US (including binary versions of Sarin and VX), I did an awful lot of research on chemical weapons (I had some sources in the Pentagon) and did a few articles for various magazines including The Nation. So it's a topic I know a fair bit about.  And based on what I know, I am somewhat skeptical that any of the people in that video are actually victims of chemical weapons. Mustard gas can be ruled out right away, since nobody exhibits the chemical burns typical of exposure to mustard. While there are some indications of some of the known symptoms of nerve gas poisoning (involuntary muscle spasms and contracted pupils), other parts of the story do not add up. From what I have heard, thousands of people are supposed to have been poisoned and exhibited symptoms, but only ten percent or so of those are said to have died, which is a very low death rate for Sarin or VX exposure. Also, none of the people in the videos seem to be showing any symptoms from secondary exposure---contrary to popular view, "nerve gas" is not actually a gas, it is a liquid, and it remains on exposed surfaces for periods ranging from a few hours (Sarin) to several days or even weeks (VX). Anyone touching those exposed surfaces (and that includes touching people who have been exposed to nerve gas) will also absorb the nerve gas and exhibit symptoms. The only way to prevent that is by wearing a full anti-contamination suit in addition to a gas mask, which does not expose any skin--something which is not available in Syria.

    I don't think the case has yet been conclusively demonstrated that nerve gases are being used in Syria. What it would take to make the case conclusive would require an investigation on the ground, which finds either chemical traces of nerve agent on exposed surfaces, or evidence of residue from by-products of nerve agent in the body tissues of the victims.

    It is of course possible that the US already has a means of performing such an investigation, has already done so, and that the result is classified and unknown to the public. On the other hand, it has not been unusual over the past few decades for people in bitter wars (Sudan, Libya) to accuse someone of using chemical weapons, particularly when one or both sides are already known to possess them.  In nearly all cases, those accusations turn out to be wrong.

    •  Cui Bono? (0+ / 0-)

      At this point, I think that the only people who know who committed this act are the people who actually did it.  The situation is certainly murky, perhaps deliberately so.  The fresh presence of international inspectors who just arrived in Syria to investigate past reports of chemical weapons attacks would seem to provide new opportunity for at least one side to try to implicate the other.  

      A logical view of the situation would determine that it makes little sense for the central government in Damascus to have allowed the inspectors to enter Syria and then launch new chemical weapons attacks with its forces.  That does not disallow the possibility that rogue local commanders of the Syrian security forces might have decided to conduct the attack anyway, without orders from Damascus.  

      Should the national regime be punished then for an act by a local military commander moving beyond the pale?  Even the US sometimes has trouble controlling its troops on the ground, as seen by the recent conviction in a US court regarding an atrocity in Afghanistan.  

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:29:06 AM PDT

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      •  well, I won't get into the political permutations (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm simply saying that from the purely empirical viewpoint, I've not seen anything conclusive yet which would confirm to me that anyone anywhere on either side has actually used any chemical weapons in Syria.

        I do note that both sides have access to chemical weapons, and both sides have been accused by the other side of using them. I'll leave all the potential plots and conspiracies and false flag hooplah to others.

    •  Thank you for your sane and pertinent reponse (1+ / 0-)
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      Although I don't think that it really matter what caused the deaths.  For me the most important thing is that the deaths are ... and whether they were caused by the government or the rebels, it turns my stomach to think that people can do this to each other.  

      That we can see the children and innocent people who are "collateral damage" and then walk away to our own little spiteful fights is disheartening, as is apparent in the comments.  But I suppose I have to either accept that or leave here.

      "I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Trayvon Martin a ride home to get him out of the rain that night." Greg Martin, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Central Florida

      by CorinaR on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 08:19:27 AM PDT

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    •  maybe we shouldn't make that shit to begin with? (0+ / 0-)

      and leave it around for other people to use? I mean who sold it to Saddam in the first place? and then who lost it? when are the makers of those weapons going to be held responsible for what happens when someone uses it?

      •  well, Saddam made his own, and so did the Syrians (1+ / 0-)
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        and the Libyans. They all used pesticide-production equipment purchased from the US and Europe (nerve gas is very similar, chemically, to pesticides, and the same equipment, with some modifications, can be used to make both).

        The US did not make any nerve gas for Saddam or Syria or Libya or anyone else, ever.  Indeed, the US stopped making any nerve gas at all way back in 1969.

        •  Is this article true? (0+ / 0-)

          I guess it depends on how one defines chemical weapons. Still begs the question, why send any of our weapons out of house?  I see by a search on the internets that is it easy to make. That search probably put me on some kid of bad guy list. It's difficult in these days not to be both suspicious and cynical.

          •  no, it is misleading (0+ / 0-)

            The US stopped making chemical and biological weapons in 1969.  We never sold any to Iraq, or to anybody else.  Even our allies, France and Britain, did not get any chemical or biological weapons from the US--they made their own.

            The US (along with France and Germany) did sell chemical production equipment to Iraq (and other countries).  It was commercially available equipment that was used to produce pesticides. The Iraqis (and the Libyans and Syrians) modified that equipment on their own, and used it to produce nerve gas.

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