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  •  Love it. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    kyril, rbird, annieli

    I was a little confused by the title though, not knowing what to expect.  I think if you just called it College Orientation 2013 that would be quite enough.
    But this is a pretty important (and depressing) subject.  It's way up near the top of my list of problems today.  Like top 3 or 4.

  •  This adds nothing to the conversation (0+ / 0-)

    but this "comic" makes me cry.  USA, USA, USA, blecqhe

  •  Hits a bit close to the knuckle. (4+ / 0-)
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    judyms9, happymisanthropy, NYFM, rbird

    I sold plasma in undergrad one year to pay fees.

    shudder

    If you have come here to help me, you are wasting our time. But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together.-Aboriginal activists group, Queensland, 1970s

    by left rev on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 03:43:25 PM PDT

  •  Where the hell is the money going? (0+ / 0-)

    If the money isn't going to the professors, then where are all these dollars going? Do universities have huge foundations that are just piling up the cash? One piece I heard on NPR suggested it was being put into big capital projects that are unlikely to benefit students in any way.

    It's a racket and I want no part of it for my kid, but an education is important for a lot of jobs.

    There's a difference between a responsible gun owner and one that's been lucky so far.

    by BeerNotWar on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 04:03:00 PM PDT

    •  I can assure you the $ don't go to the profs (0+ / 0-)

      Some of the money goes into big capital projects--my University is spending almost $100 million in the next few years building a new student center, new dorms, etc.  Some goes into dealing with problems caused by "deferred maintenance".  A lot goes into supporting athletic programs which--for the vast majority of schools--don't come near breaking even.

      I could go on, but I feel like I'm heading into "rant" territory.

      You think it's hot? Imagine what it would be like if global warming really existed!

      by JSc on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 07:09:17 PM PDT

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  •  College schmallege. It's root, hog or die. (0+ / 0-)

    When I taught in an alternative education program for high school kids at night I always encouraged them to learn skills that would allow them to hire themselves if no one would hire them.  This seemed somewhat likely for the ones with gothic attire, body mail, bullets through their earlobes and permanent snarls.  That advice seems even more relevant now for a whole host of reasons.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 04:05:14 PM PDT

    •  The current economy makes one wonder (0+ / 0-)

      I have though about the benefits of having all HS students do a year of some sort of vocational training.  If only to learn they don't want to do something...

      •  Been there, done that - and it helped! (0+ / 0-)

        After a rough first year in college, I had a year off to re-evaluate my goals in life.  I started working in a factory (sheetmetal shop, assembly, shipping, whatever they needed) and resolved that I would get my house in order and finish school.  

        Even in my current position as a chemistry professor, it's interesting how often I rely on the skills I learned while working that blue-collar job.  Equipment breaks?  Out come the tools.  Students don't "get" a concept?  Out come the explanations I used when describing my "school life" to my coworkers in the factory.

        Frankly, I think it might not be a bad idea to require students to spend a couple years out of academia between high school and college.

        You think it's hot? Imagine what it would be like if global warming really existed!

        by JSc on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 06:58:16 PM PDT

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  •  Grand daughter (Suma Cum Laude candidate) tutored (0+ / 0-)

    for the athletic department of Indiana University, Grand daughter struggled to understand the students she was mentoring didn't want to get the best grade possible but wanted help to pass their classes with the least effort possible.  She didn't mind mentoring the swim team for they had an impossible schedule and were often away for long weekends of competition.  She would even go to lectures for them to take notes.  She hated mentoring the Baseball team.  She felt these guys could goof off all semester and only begged for tutoring when they wanted to remain eligible to play, late in the school year.

  •  College textbooks are impossible (0+ / 0-)

    We need to switch to Open Educational Resources (OERS), digital materials under Creative Commons licenses. There is an OER University plan starting up that will use no commercially published textbooks for degree programs at universities around the world.

    There are projects to produce textbooks at other levels, too, including California's Free Digital Textbook Initiative. Bangladesh knows that it cannot afford to provide printed textbooks to all of its students, so it has put out even its primary school textbooks for free online, and is commissioning its own Doel school computer, which will cost far less than the books would have.

    As to the rest of the complaints here, see the Dishonored Promissory Note/Bounced Check introduction to Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

    In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

    But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

    It isn't only Blacks that the Right wants to deny economic rights to. Education should be free, at no cost to the learner, as an investment in ourselves, in our children, and in our future as a free people who respect the rest of each other's rights.

    Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

    by Mokurai on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 09:22:07 AM PDT

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