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I am not one of those who is upset about Putin's op-ed in the New York Times. It seems to me to be the sort of international dialog and exchange of ideas that could be useful. However, I am one of the gay Americans who is upset about the course that law and policy toward LGBT's has been following in Russia.

My proposal is that LGBT advocacy groups should take this opportunity to ask Putin to return the favor. Since he had the opportunity to express himself to the American public, it would seem reasonable to request equal time for the LGBT point of view in the Russian media. I'm sure that President Putin would have the ability to arrange that.

Originally posted to Richard Lyon on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 05:17 PM PDT.

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  •  Interesting (10+ / 0-)

    By that question, you seem to acknowledge that there is no freedom of the press in Russia because its controlled by Putin. I agree with that.

    There's also no freedom of speech in Russia - the anti-gay law is a good example.

    I have to shake my head at the many (far more than a few) who have actually argued that rights are no better or worse in Russia than the US.

    That to me is simply not reality based.

    I would love to see an LGBT letter in Pravda. Ain't going to happen. The most effective thing we can do is to do whats worked against Limbaugh. Go for the sponsors - all the Olympics sponsors, all the US  airlines that fly to Russia, the cruise lines that stop in Russian ports, travel agencies that sell vacation packages to Russia, and most importantly - vodka and caviar.

    Aside from that, EU countries should be refusing visas to Russians wanting to visit the EU. That will most effect the hundreds of Russian oligarchs that I see in London buying up not just houses, but whole streets of houses. When they can't go to London or Paris to spend their money anymore, maybe they'll tell their puppet Putin to clean up his anti-homophobic act.

    •  I am not sure just where the press stands (3+ / 0-)
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      in Russia at the moment. After the fall of the USSR there were some independent newspapers. I have occasionally read some that have English language articles on their websites. It all looked fairly limited.

      My understanding is that TV is pretty much under state control. I don't think that it is accurate to assume that everything is just the way it was under the USSR.

      My real point here is the idea that a request publicly addressed to Putin could be an effective international media event whether he responds to it or not.  

      •  Its not the same as it was under USSR (5+ / 0-)


        According to International Press Institute, the Russian laws, bureaucratic regulations and politically motivated criminal investigations have forced the press into self-censorship.[2][9] According to International Press Institute, Russia is the most dangerous European country for journalists.[2][10] According to Human Rights Watch, the Russian government control over civil society through selective implementation of the law, restriction and censure.[5]
        In 2010 Reporters Without Borders ranked Russia 140th out of 178 in the Press Freedom Index.

        In 2013, Russia further dropped to 148. By comparison US is #32.

    •  That is very true (5+ / 0-)

      And, it also does not invalidate his point, which is equally true, that exceptionalism, believing that you are special and therefore rules do not apply to you, is a dangerous attitude.  I've dealt with this type of attitude on a personal level, and his comment really struck home.   Exceptionalism has a very corrosive effect.   I do agree with him on this one point.    

      Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

      The argument is not decisive.   There are other arguments that could counter this argument and lend support to the argument that the U.S. should consider a strike on Syria.  

      I'm not commenting on the true answer to the Syrian crisis, here.   But, I thought that his comment was a legitimate contribution to the debate.

  •  You are going to have to arm-wrestle (5+ / 0-)

    McCain for that spot.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 05:44:47 PM PDT

  •  Not upset either ... (3+ / 0-)
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    if Putin puts an op-ed in an American newspaper. Yes, I really hope a non-military solution works with Syria.
    My primary concern now is Russia's assault on freedom of expression for the glbt movement. I do plan to see Swan Lake performed next June by the Houston Ballet. Know why?
    There have been apparent assassinations of journalists, over non-glbt issues. One was poisoned with polonium.
    I watch glbt websites in Russia and eastern Europe. Some have pages in English. I cannot read the local languages, but have an idea what they are talking about and check whether they still exist. The Internet has made national sovereignty obsolete as far as freedom of the press is concerned.
    Can Russians read dailykos?

    Censorship is rogue government.

    by scott5js on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 06:10:41 PM PDT

  •  Hey (1+ / 0-)
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    I just thought of what John McCain can say in his Pravda op-ed.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 06:27:13 PM PDT

  •  If you're upset by Putin's homophobia, (0+ / 0-)

    why aren't you also upset by his steadfast support for Bashar al-Assad's butchery?

    Why aren't you upset by the massacres, indiscriminate bombings, and child torture inflicted by the Assad regime with the help of Putin's money, advanced weapons systems, diplomatic backing, and UN obstructionism?

    Why aren't you upset by the 100,000 deaths in Syria, most of them at the hands of Assad's forces, in a conflict that began after Assad responded to peaceful protests in the spring of 2011 with brutal violence?

  •  Excellent idea (1+ / 0-)
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    assuming you could get them to quote you a reason for refusing to publish it, which American media would actually report on. Can't have that, don'tcha know. "Reporting the truth". HAH!

     I'd love to see Putin have to squirm through a refusal to let it run. On gay rights, the country and its leadership are flat out wrong. But suffice to say, one can be wrong on some things and correct on others. I appreciate that you get that, Richard.

    But damned if this shouldn't be tried. Who knows, maybe he'll wake the fuck up and realize how bad that position and those laws are and try to do something about it. Stranger things have happened...

    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

    by lunachickie on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 06:50:47 PM PDT

    •  I am pretty much of the view (3+ / 0-)
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      that people from outside Russia aren't going to have much influence in changing their culture. I am suggesting this more as a vehicle of public awareness in the US and other countries.

      One constructive thing that can be done is to provide support and assistance to LGBT refugees who feel they need to get out of Russia.

  •  I haven't stopped laughing at that NYT piece (0+ / 0-)

    It's a masterpiece of trolling.

    Before we point fingers at President Obama, we ought to point them at ourselves.

    by Sucker Politics on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 04:29:48 AM PDT

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