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Russia's President Vladimir Putin attends a news conference at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Summit in Vladivostok September 9, 2012.              REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin (RUSSIA  - Tags: POLITICS BUSINESS)
Yes, that Putin. No, really.
Oh look, the radical conservative American quote-unquote-"pastor" who helped form a vicious anti-gay movement in Uganda that led to the killing of publicly outed gay Ugandans is a huge fan of Vladimir Putin.
Last month a federal judge allowed a first-of-its-kind lawsuit to proceed against [Scott Lively] that alleges the pastor persecuted gays in Uganda and committed a potential “crime against humanity” — one that contributed to a bill that would have made homosexuality an act punishable by death. And yet the grey-haired 57-year-old has refused to quiet down.

On his blog this month, Lively praised Putin as “the defender of Christian civilization” for signing this summer a ban on information that treats being gay as valid or attractive — and traced the idea to his own tour of Russia in 2006-7. Last week, Lively suggested Russian officials foil gay activists planning to rainbow-bomb the Olympics by flying a rainbow banner over the games so “the global homosexual movement” would be reminded that “the rainbow belongs to God!”

What the hell is going on? Have we abandoned irony forever, now that the staunch conservatives that saw communism as the be-all, end-all threat to humanity have shuffled into embracing the rather unambiguously creepy Russian leader and the nation's latest restrictions of human rights—nay, even bragging about their connections to Russian politics? Is there anyone who was alive for even the smallest portion of the Cold War that thought Red Dawn conservatism would move into being pro-Russian-government?

Nope, apparently the hatred of gay Americans is greater than all those old fears of the creeping communist menace. John McCain and other old-schoolers keep trying to get them worked up about Russian plots and dangers and diplomatic machinations, but the social conservatives are too worked up about the Gays and the Muslims and the Obamas to even remember what they were supposed to be worked up about in the before-times. The enemy of my enemy is awesome.

Vladimir Putin, the "defender of Christian civilization." There's really no way of making fun of these people anymore, they do it to themselves before you ever get the chance.

Originally posted to Hunter on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:13 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  an autocephalous Putin sucks up to the Orthodox (4+ / 0-)
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    Church as well as to the GOP

    Within Russia the results of a 2007 VTsIOM poll indicated that about 75% of the population considered themselves Orthodox Christians. Up to 65% of ethnic Russians and a similar percentage of Belarusians and Ukrainians identify themselves as "Orthodox"

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:17:11 PM PDT

    •  just another ideological state apparatus (7+ / 0-)
      Clifford J. Levy of New York Times wrote in April 2008: «Just as the government has tightened control over political life, so, too, has it intruded in matters of faith. The Kremlin's surrogates in many areas have turned the Russian Orthodox Church into a de facto official religion, warding off other Christian denominations that seem to offer the most significant competition for worshipers. <...> This close alliance between the government and the Russian Orthodox Church has become a defining characteristic of Mr. Putin's tenure, a mutually reinforcing choreography that is usually described here as working "in symphony".

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

      by annieli on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:20:10 PM PDT

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      •  Before he was a politician, Putin went in ... (2+ / 0-)
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        Before he was a politician, Putin, the KGB dude,
        went into a church only a few times in his life.
        Mostly to Verify Kills.

        Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

        by olo on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 03:08:48 PM PDT

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      •  You can't become Tsar without the Church. (1+ / 0-)
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        rainmanjr

        Historically it has always been the Church that conferred legitimacy on the coronation of a monarch. Putin wants to be Tsar, therefore, he needs the Church. He's as Christian as Constantine the Great was, but never mind. That matters little. Both ruler and church benefit from the close working relationship.

        "Some folks rob you with a six-gun, some rob you with a fountain pen." - Woody Guthrie

        by Involuntary Exile on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 05:10:58 PM PDT

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    •  Hunter, you're looking for consistency within (6+ / 0-)

      the Republican party, there isn't any other than Obama is a n****r.  Which we get.

      "If I could wave my magic wand, I'd make everything all right. I'm not one to believe in magic But I sometimes have a second-sight I'm not one with a sense of proportion When my heart still changes overnight "

      by Ex Real Republican on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:43:51 PM PDT

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      •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

        Putin is white, Obama isn't. Obama is their sworn enemy. And the enemy of my...enemy...is...my friend? I dunno, the right is dumber than a whole quarry of rocks, so expecting a logically compelling argument from them is a wasted effort.

  •  Bedfellows. (4+ / 0-)
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  •  Wouldn't it be nice if you could convince... (7+ / 0-)

    all the anti-gay bigots in the USA that Russia was some sort of gay-free paradise and let them buy one way tickets?

    And that Siberia is the bestest of all?

    'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

    by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:22:29 PM PDT

  •  nuts, nutsier, nutsiest ... gimme a break /nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Wolverine-skis! (1+ / 0-)
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    The Marti

    When you think about it, though, it really shouldn't be that surprising.  The right-wing wants a totalitarian state, so that they seek out totalitarians with whom to cuddle makes sense in a "the ends justify the means" kind of way.

  •  Nah - irony, if anything, (4+ / 0-)

    is only amplified by this.

    Scott Lively praising Vlad Putin's character, christianity and values can be nothing but ironic.  

    It just shows Lively's obliviousness.

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:39:20 PM PDT

    •  I can't help but think that (1+ / 0-)
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      these "Christians" aren't Christians at all.  Their "faith" is a means to an end, they are hucksters pushing an agenda to suit their nefarious plans.  

      If all the churches shut down tomorrow, the "religious " leaders would find another gig.  God ain't nuthin to em.

      Save a child's life. Please sign and share. www.signon.org/sign/sarasota-sheriffs-office Save a child's life. Please sign and share.

      by kmfmstar on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:10:26 PM PDT

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      •  That's what my mom says.. (2+ / 0-)
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        If these aren't the real christians, where are they?

        I grew up in the south. I know what lurks at the bottom of the swamp. It only gets worse from here. The civil war is here.

        What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

        by Cpqemp on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:37:20 PM PDT

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        •  I would agree except... (0+ / 0-)

          that mod GOPers are starting to back off the T's and the whole move to give defunding ACA back to Cruz and Lee is part of that.  I think even the GOP wants them gone so they can go back to their usual shtick.  They know they've lost the WH for 30 years but, like the Pope, they don't want their brand to die, entirely.

          "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

          by rainmanjr on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 01:58:58 AM PDT

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        •  There are real Christians out there, (0+ / 0-)

          but life for them isnt easy.  First, they have to know what God wants us all to do.  Then they have to do it.

          They are salmon, swimming against the tide.  

          Save a child's life. Please sign and share. www.signon.org/sign/sarasota-sheriffs-office Save a child's life. Please sign and share.

          by kmfmstar on Mon Sep 23, 2013 at 05:05:19 AM PDT

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  •  Sorry but cannot agree (0+ / 0-)

    One bigoted minister does not mean that there are plural conservatives that think Putin is the defender of Christian civilization. Despite the vileness of Scott Lively, I do not see the acceptance of communism by the conservative movement.

  •  It isn't just their hate of gays, it's their hate (0+ / 0-)

    of Obama in particular and Democrats in general.

    I wish they'd all go to Russia, because the first time they open their mouths to demean the leader there, who ever it is, will be the last time they're ever heard from.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 02:36:36 PM PDT

  •  Uhhh... what? (0+ / 0-)
    embracing the rather unambiguously creepy Russian leader and the nation's latest restrictions of human rights
    This is different from their embracing of unambiguously creepy conservative Christian American politicians... how, exactly?

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 03:47:55 PM PDT

  •  the "New Russia" is not your father's Russia (2+ / 0-)
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    Russia today really does have a lot in common with the conservatives' vision for America - chauvinistic, casually violent, deeply corrupt or just plain lawless, polluted, extreme wealth disparity, etc.

    The Cold War boogeyman lives in North Korea now.  They really are hive-minded America-haters over there.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 04:59:59 PM PDT

  •  Hey, he's against the gheys and brown people. (0+ / 0-)

    That's enough for these guys.

  •   But Mitt Romney said (0+ / 0-)

    Russia, baddest enemy ever and still

  •  If Putin hd not criticized American exceptionalism (0+ / 0-)

    ...he could have achieved high popularity among a broad range of White Americans.

    What Republican politician does not secretly envy Putin's muscular Christian profile and his record of leveraging state security powers into silencing opponents, killing Muslims and profiting from oil?  Putin's recent emphasis on anti-Gay policies is icing on the cake.

  •  OK, I'm a Christian (3+ / 0-)
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    bythesea, viral, Old Sailor

    And if Jesus requires Vladmir Putin to uphold his civilization, it is time for Him to give it up and hand Gabriel that trumpet.

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:01:33 PM PDT

  •  Bad Faith has its own illogical logic (3+ / 0-)
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    As rational people, the incoherence is staggering.

    If commiserating with Osama Bin Ladin is seen as useful to attacking the eternal enemy, progress, Bin Ladin in posited in a positive light.  

    It's a whole lot easier if you have no shame, no integrity, and your greatest intellectual and moral compass is winning at all costs 24 hour news cycle at a time.

    The second that liberals and moderates simply assume overwhelming bad faith is baked into every calculation and move, and you don't get caught up in trying to parse the vile malignant insanity of the Right, to hunt in vain for good faith and a sense of shame and greater obligation where no such instincts exist, the easier it is to find a way to fight them effectively and consistently.

    The Movement Conservative Right is a national security threat to our nation. Conservative Republican policy will kill and injure more innocent Americans than any terrorist organization on the face of this Earth.

    Vladimir Putin wants this country dominated by Bushies and Fundies. I'm sure the North Korean and Iranian fundamentalist hardliners do too.  

    He knows, as do they, full well that the American Movement Conservative Right can cripple the vast potential of the United States of America more than any external threat we may face as a nation.

     

    I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

    by LeftHandedMan on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:11:22 PM PDT

  •  They used to say the same thing (2+ / 0-)
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    JerryNA, offgrid

    about Generalissimo Francisco Franco.

    (who is still dead by the way)

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:12:02 PM PDT

  •  So, we're not at war (3+ / 0-)
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    viral, JerryNA, happymisanthropy

    with Eastasia anymore?

    Society is merely organized injustice. Clarence Darrow

    by Van Buren on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:12:58 PM PDT

  •  Washington Times featured bare chested Putin Photo (2+ / 0-)
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    viral, JerryNA

    yesterday. Do you think they are getting pointers from the British tabloid the Sun?

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:19:01 PM PDT

  •  Appears that EVERYBODY plays the republican (1+ / 0-)
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    joe from Lowell

    party......buncha bent clerics.

  •  In Russia the ex-KGB civilizes you! (1+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy
    On his blog this month, Lively praised Putin as “the defender of Christian civilization” for signing this summer a ban on information that treats being gay as valid or attractive — and traced the idea to his own tour of Russia in 2006-7.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:24:59 PM PDT

  •  Communists are athiests. (0+ / 0-)

    Proof, if any were needed, that it's all about the message. The argument is irrelevent.

    Hate Speech must remain legal. It reminds us that the hate is still out there.

    by SmallTownHick on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:31:12 PM PDT

  •  No religion in govt (0+ / 0-)

    That's why there was an American revolution; not only against the King of England, but also the Church of England.

    "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." George Washington, 1796

    by djny10003 on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:33:12 PM PDT

  •  So Muscovy's the Third Rome? (1+ / 0-)
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    so I've heard tell.

    Still, we progress.

    Clap On, Clap Off, The Clapper!

    by ActivistGuy on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:34:30 PM PDT

  •  If there was any doubt.. (0+ / 0-)

    ..this should remove it. The strength of the GOP are the christians they exploit. They band together, even when all the evidence points against them. It a tough nut to crack. But until we do, the nation will never progress to solve its problems.

    And worse of all, it's an evil hoax.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:35:24 PM PDT

  •  Putin has plenty of faults (0+ / 0-)

    But in one sense, he is quite literally the defender of Christians... in Syria.

    The rebels have massacred and terrorized several Christian communities thus far, and some of the groups have the stated goal of wiping them out or driving them from the middle east. The fear on the ground among Maronites, Orthodox and others is that Syria will become uninhabitable for its 2 million Christians if the rebels should win, and other minorities like the Kurds, Alawites and Druze would likely share the same fate.

    Syria's Christian community is a cultural treasure, it's older than Rome's or Istanbul's, dating to the time of Peter and Paul. In Maaloula, they still speak Aramaic.

    Syria's Christians haven't got many friends in Washington, and Obama supports those who would destroy them.

    … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

    by mosesfreeman on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:42:02 PM PDT

    •  "The" rebels? They're all the same? (1+ / 0-)
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      The rebels Obama is supporting are attacking Christians?

      You sure about that?

      Say, you aren't lumping a large, diverse Muslim population into one undifferentiated mass of skerry al Qaedo Moolems because you think it would be useful to do so for your political agenda, are you?

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:50:25 PM PDT

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      •  The FSA and Nusra attacked Maaloula, for one (0+ / 0-)

        Obama supports the FSA and our Saudi friends supply Nusra, both attack the Christians.

        … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

        by mosesfreeman on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:55:08 PM PDT

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        •  No, not "both attack Christians." And not... (2+ / 0-)
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          "Obama supports the FSA." Obama supports select elements of the FSA. The FSA itself is a diverse umbrella group.

          It appears that the answer to my question is "Yes, I am lumping a diverse group of Muslims together as skeery al Qaeda terrorists because it furthers my political agenda."

          First love for Putin, then Islamaphobic broad-brushing. Throw in some tax cuts, and have I got a political party for you.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:59:48 PM PDT

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          •  I'm actually Muslim (0+ / 0-)

            and anyway you are pointlessly splitting hairs. By supporting Idris, the US is effectively supporting the entire FSA, as they largely work in tandem, and everyone knows that any rebel victory will result in tyranny by Takfiri forces, and probable genocide for anyone not fitting into their narrow Wahhabi mold.

            … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

            by mosesfreeman on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 03:51:42 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Pointlessly? POINTLESSLY? (0+ / 0-)

              The difference between people who carry out massacres and people who do not is POINTLESS?

              The difference between people who are aligned with al Qaeda and people who are not, and sometimes get into firefights with al Qaeda, is POINTLESS?

              And no, not "everyone knows" that the fall of Assad will result in tyranny by Takfiri forces. It is far from certain that they will prevail in the contest between the rebel factions. In fact, you might notice that the Nusra Front has been taking it on the chin lately, having been chased out of Homs and relegated to beating up hapless Kurds in the middle of nowhere, while the local Syrian resistance are the ones fighting around Damascus, and scaring the regime enough to inspire a chemical attack.

              Since you're so concerned about those foreign jihadists, who are receiving support from the Gulf states, surely you see the merit in the Obama administration's support for their competitors within the rebellion, right?

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 07:35:00 AM PDT

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              •  Absolutely not! (0+ / 0-)

                They fight together and support each other most of the time. Helping one is helping them all. If the rebels win, you'll eat your words, because mark mine, the Takfiris will prevail, and kill everyone they don't approve of.... while KSA and Israel cheer.

                … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                by mosesfreeman on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 10:48:21 AM PDT

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          •  I'm guessing that you haven't got (0+ / 1-)
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            even an ounce of skin in this game. Some of us stand to lose people we love due to these criminal machinations.

            Kindly shut the fuck up.

            … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

            by mosesfreeman on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 12:56:06 AM PDT

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  •  New Golden Rule... (2+ / 0-)
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    Do Unto Others as Putin Does.

  •  Well, if these people can believe that (5+ / 0-)

    Obama is both a socialist and a fascist, why can't Putin be both a godless Communist and a Christian?

    "We *can* go back to the Dark Ages! The crust of learning and good manners and tolerance is so thin!" -- Sinclair Lewis

    by Nespolo on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:46:55 PM PDT

  •  That's as silly as... (0+ / 0-)

    depicting Russin government organ RT as an independent voice of anti-imperialism.

    It's funny how people with an ax to grind against President Obama project their opinions onto the Kremlin.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:48:29 PM PDT

    •  Abby Martin rocks! (0+ / 0-)

      and RT frequently scoops the American media on a variety of issues (usually issues not involving Russia) LOL!

      … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

      by mosesfreeman on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:52:46 PM PDT

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  •  Christofascists (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't see how Christianists embracing an obvious fascist is surprising at all just because he's Russian. Russians are among the Whitest people on the planet.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:54:47 PM PDT

  •  Conservatives will suck up to anyone playing them (3+ / 0-)
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    The mere mirage of a tough guy on gays somehow makes conservatives wet their pants of excitement. Yeah, wait until said tough guy gets on YOUR case!

  •  Strange Bedfelllows (0+ / 0-)

    On second thought, maybe not so strange after all.

  •  How many Kossacks defended Putin when.... (0+ / 0-)

    Romney accused Russia of being our #1 enemy?

    Indeed, Putin, months before Romney's comments, had called the USA his #1 enemy.

    We live in a dangerous world.

    And nationalism allows the US to thrive within that framework.

    I'm heartened that more and more Kossacks are coming to that realization.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

    by PatriciaVa on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 03:18:21 PM PDT

    •  I dont think a lot of Kossacks are arguing Vlad (1+ / 0-)
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      is a menace to THE AMERICAN WAY. I think most of them have known all along what a coldly cunning and despicable creep he can be, his collectible centerfold calendars aside.

    •  Um, no (2+ / 0-)
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      You don't have to defend Putin to consider Romney's comment to be over the top.

      I do not like Putin in generally, and especially on gay issues.  But he isn't our biggest enemy or threat today.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 04:27:53 PM PDT

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    •  Not hardly (0+ / 0-)

      Russia looks out for their own interests, the same as any other country.

      They're a mere shadow of what they were in the Soviet days and even the Soviet Union was never ten feet tall like we portrayed them to be.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 05:56:39 PM PDT

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  •  The PROBLEM is, these fuckers are serious (2+ / 0-)
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    They'd rather have Putin as POTUS than Obama.

    And I'm not kidding about that.  They figure they could deal with Vlad easier than PBO.

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    by Richard Cranium on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 03:27:46 PM PDT

  •  Kinda reminds me of the good ol' days (1+ / 0-)
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    of neuron-starved Jane Fonda hailing the wisdom of Ho Chi Minh. The roots of "ideologue" and "idiot" may not be related, but they sure do belong together.

    •  Memories... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...yeah, I do vaguely remember the days of "Hanoi Jane".  Her sucking up to the North Vietnamese did a lot of damage to the anti-war movement, in my opinion, by creating the perception that the movement wasn't about opposing the war, but rather about supporting the Viet Cong.

      Ah, for the good old days when some of the extremist nut cases were on our side, instead of all being on the far right.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 04:30:15 PM PDT

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  •  Vladamir Putin, Defender of the Faith (1+ / 0-)
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    JerryNA

    Oh joy.

    "It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said." "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain

    by Quanta on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 03:48:51 PM PDT

  •  Lively started his career as a bigot in Oregon (2+ / 0-)
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    Major Kong, blueoregon

    The Oregon Citizens Alliance crafted 3 anti-gay initiatives about 20 years ago (all defeated) Lively was a big mover in the group.  Eventually he left the state because of the following:

    Lively became known as a prominent spokesman for the OCA during its bruising and damaging anti-gay campaigns, and he was earning a reputation for belligerence, as well. In a 1991 incident, he allegedly threw lesbian photographer Catherine Stauffer against a wall at a screening of an OCA video and then dragged her out of the room by her hair. She sued both Lively and the OCA, and a jury ruled that Lively used unreasonable force and awarded Stauffer $30,000.
    He played every possible game to avoid paying her, but she pursued him until he finally paid up, then left the state.
  •  The diary's last paragraph says it all. (1+ / 0-)
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    blueoregon

    The far right is and always has been delusional.
    They live in the reality of superstition, and demons where Christ's  words are forgotten.

  •  none dare call it treason (2+ / 0-)
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    Major Kong, blueoregon

    the far right loves their ideology more then they love their
    country.

  •  And McCarthy rolls in his grave. (0+ / 0-)

    "Truth catches up with you in here. It's the truth that's gonna make you hurt." - Piper Chapman

    by blueoregon on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 06:20:47 PM PDT

  •  Czar Putin, The First. He may yet redeem himself (0+ / 0-)

    and become a peacemaker.

  •  Putin has co-opted the Jewish community, too (0+ / 0-)

    Look at the Wiki page for the "Chief Rabbi".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    To be fair, Russian Jews are probably so glad that Putin, for all his evil, isn't an anti-Semite, that they aren't complaining. After all, they had seven consecutive anti-Semitic Czars (ok, Alexander II might not have been too bad, but the rest were AWFUL), and then the Communists.

  •  Recommended.. (0+ / 0-)

    ..for the accuracy of the closing sentence.

    Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good. ~ Romans 12:21

    by Mickquinas on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 08:33:00 PM PDT

  •  Putin (0+ / 0-)

    Yes President Putin was trained very well. The K.B.G. was the number one, the greatest of all disinformation. They never missed a chance to stir up trouble. Now I don't know what President Putin thinks about gays. But he could see a big chance here in America to stir up a little trouble and sit back and laugh. That is his K.B.G. coming through. Also President Putin is a very smart man. He knows just what he is doing at all times. He also is very much an atheist. and gets a big kick of all this right wing and left wing religion. He also loves to be in the spotlight. So he is enjoying all of this.
     

  •  this is just one guy (0+ / 0-)

    hunter has been one of my favorites over the years, but this analysis stretches rhetoric to its furthest, almost to the point of in-group juvenile generalization, you don't see any movement of conservatives collectively or simultaneously running into the arms of putin because of the gay issue, this is just one guy (lively)

    free the information

    by freelixir on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 10:35:49 PM PDT

    •  oh yes they have (0+ / 0-)

      Conservative websites are performing viral fellatio on Putin just to lure traffic.  E.g., National Review cheered Putin one-upping Obama's aid to Syrian rebels by shipping weapons systems to Iran. A WSJ writer equated Snowden with the Rosenbergs and hailed Putin's intelligence coup.

      Repub politicians, however, know treason may drive page views but it doesn't win elections, so they aren't pushing Putin-mania.

      I see a few things going on.  1) Vicarious fantasy -- "if Romney couldn't beat Obama, at least Putin is beating him."

      2) Fear of abandonment.  There's a scene in Pink Floyd:The Wall where a war orphan sees a happy family in the park; he grabs the father's hand and tries to join the family. They are hurt by what they see as mainstream abandonment on gay marriage. They feel like orphans and they want Putin to adopt them.  But Putin has his own family.

      3) In Pat Buchanan's case, he also sees Putin cutting off the Neocon endgame in Iran. Buchanan is as opposed to War with Iran as anyone on this website.

      4) The 'Defender of Christianity' hustle tries to rationalize treason ("God over country.") The right wing media doesn't want to give up the Putin-mania/treason cash cow, if they can swing it.

  •  A better question would be... (0+ / 0-)

    Why do Evangelical Christian Republicans support a Russian tyrant that makes life hard to impossible for Evangelical Christian missionaries? The Russian Orthodox Church has everything they hate about Catholicism, with even less tolerance for Protestants. It clearly shows their hate has trumped all their other religious values.

    Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

    by rhonan on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 11:29:57 PM PDT

  •  I've written them off. (0+ / 0-)

    I've told a couple T's that when they started supporting Putin over Obama, on an issue of war, that they had lost my tolerance.  Ironically, they've become the anti-Americans that they accused liberals who didn't support a war in Iraq of being.  They've turned into a complete caricature of anything resembling true patriotism.  Any politician who doesn't disavow their Putin devotion is an outright traitor.

    "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

    by rainmanjr on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 01:52:23 AM PDT

  •  Article (0+ / 0-)

    Hunter, you said it so well; "the social conservatives are too worked up about the Gays and the Muslims and the OBAMAS to even remember what they were supposed to be worked up about in the before-times"! People had better be VERY CAREFUL what they wish for; they just might get it!

  •  Good (0+ / 0-)

    I hope all the teabaggers and Christian jihadists take a hint. Get the hell out of my county and leave to Russia.  You can have your racist, homophobic, teabagging paradise up there, and if Putin is smart enough, maybe he'll exile all of you teabagging nut sacks to Siberia.

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