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President Obama earlier today in Missouri, proposing a pretty good analogy for the insanity of the GOP approach towards the debt limit:
I just want to break this down one more time. I go into a Ford dealership. I drive off with a new F-150. Unless I paid cash, I've still got to pay for it each month. I can’t just say, you know, I’m not going to make my car payment this month. That’s what Congress is threatening to do—just saying, I'm not going to pay the bills.

There are consequences to that. The bill collector starts calling you, right? Your credit goes south, and you've got all kinds of problems. Same is true for a country.

And, uncharacteristically, the president named names:
So if we don’t raise the debt ceiling, we're deadbeats. "If we fail to increase the debt limit, we would send our economy into a tailspin”—that’s a quote, by the way, what I just said. You know who said it? The Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner.

The Republican Speaker has said if we don't pay our bills, we'll have an economic tailspin. So this is not just my opinion. This is everybody's opinion.

And he didn't just single out Boehner's hypocrisy, he went after the entire GOP right-wing cabal that is hell-bent on blowing up the country if they don't get their way on defunding Obamacare:
Unfortunately, there is a faction on the far right of the Republican Party right now—it's not everybody, but it's a pretty big faction—who convinced their leadership to threaten a government shutdown and potentially threaten to not raise the debt ceiling if they can't shut off the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.
Obama also added some context about what it is that Republicans are pushing for—that not only is it wrong for them to be threatening chaos, but they're also threatening chaos simply to deny people access to affordable health insurance:
Defunding Affordable Health Care would rob 25 million Americans of the chance to get health care coverage. It would cut basic health care services for tens of millions of seniors on Medicare already. That's what House Republicans are fighting for. And now they’ve gone beyond just holding Congress hostage, they're holding the whole country hostage.
In the past, Obama has often been reluctant to call out Republicans by name, preferring subtle jabs than outright haymakers. But he seemed to enjoy himself today, and he certainly wasn't holding back. It's good to see, because if there's one thing we've learned over the past few years it's that sweet talking Republicans isn't going to knock any sense into them. They've got to held accountable for the insanity of their positions. And the only that can happen is if President Obama leads the way, as he did today.

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      •  Well he IS kind of busy being President and all. (11+ / 0-)

        It's not like he can just show up wherever and start talking. All these things need to be planned and figured out, traffic stopped and re routed law enforcement notified etc etc etc. Not to mention all the armed nuts out there who threaten to take him out to watch out for. He has a job to do, it's not his responsibility to use the bully pulpit on every issue otherwise he wouldn't have any time to actually try and get things done and frankly if he did do this more often someone would for sure take a shot at him.

        I didn't vote for him to solve everything and put his life at risk as well.

        If I knew it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my ---- in the mashed potatoes! - Paul's Boutique

        by DoctorWho on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:23:15 PM PDT

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      •  Agreed.... (15+ / 0-)

        That's the guy I voted for! Love to see him more often and as long as it takes to end the stupidity.

        •  Mee toooo! (0+ / 0-)

          THIS is the Obama I voted for. Now, he doesn't have to get re-elected, so he can be brutally honest.
          He needs to name names. He needs to stop looking like a wuss and just fight openly. I know that acting presidential is an important role for him, but it's time to ditch that - it's not working - and frighten some of the republican white male pseudo-religious conservative tea-party-informed racially biased jerks who think they have control over the white house.

          It's time for him to stand up and say, "Today, congress failed to act because..." and name the names of the folks who stood in the way. He needs to do this every time congress is in session. He needs to expose them (I have a great mental picture in my head: Obama walks down a line of congresspeople and unzips their pants one after another) for what they are.

          I'd like him to answer questions like, "Why is your congressperson in favor of expensive, polluting energy sources when wind is clean and cheap? It's been proven, and it's cheap?" And the answer should be quite plain: because they were PAID to take that position. By whom? By a company that makes money that way.

          Etcetera. I'd like to have a nightly 'fireside chat' in which Mr Obama reviews the day, who did what to whom, and who's lying to whom. Just a few sentences, at the end of each work day.

          We're all aware here that Mr Obama is intelligent and educated enough to know all of these things; he just keeps quiet because his usually demeanor is to be subtle, to handle things out of the limelight. But he's got to change, now. Subtle doesn't work. I mean, 42 separate votes? At what cost? Subtle doesn't work on the likes of Mitch McConnell. He needs to have his name read out on television as being obstructionist, as being a major player in the "let's not pay salaries for a while" stakes.

          It's up to Mr Obama to educate the public about why his enemies are doing really stupid, idiotic stuff that can only hurt the country.

          This is the Obama I voted for.

    •  Oh and he has ads on TV. (14+ / 0-)

      Just saw one.

      I think I like this take no prisoners approach.

    •  Who is that guy? (9+ / 0-)

      I can of like him!  I have a "man crush" on "Campain Obama", not so much on "Negotiating Obama".  

      Republicans - they measure our national success by corporate profit margin, not the well being of the citizens.

      by egarratt on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:39:21 PM PDT

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    •  Attaboy? You can't be serious. Obama (0+ / 0-)

      once again compares the US Govt to an individual.  This is so wrong I don't even know where to begin.  Debt collectors start calling, what the hell is he talking about?  Private debt has collateral.  If you don't pay loan, they can take the car back.  All the Govt does when it "pays back" one type of Govt liability (T- bonds) is give you another Govt liability.  Both of which only the Govt can create.  You have no claim on US Govt assets when you buy a T-bond.  Thats what fiat money is, is backed only by itself.  Once again Obama is misleading the American public and helping the cause of right wingers everywhere.

      MMT = Reality

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      by Auburn Parks on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:49:02 PM PDT

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      •  The public isn't listening to fiat money lectures. (8+ / 0-)

        How do you figure that calling the House GOP obstructionists out in their own terms - their own much beloved analogies - "helps the cause of right wingers"?

        Obama is quoting John Boehner. What an authority! Perhaps the worst criticism of all is to call someone out using his/her own language.

        Let the GOP call Barack Obama out on his use of their analogies. The eyes and ears of the public will glaze over. That alone will undermine the Tea Party extremist cause. And in fact, the debt collectors will raise the cost of the next debt they buy. People do understand this kind of spiral, and it's as real as their daily lives.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:01:58 PM PDT

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        •  There, you did it to. (0+ / 0-)

          "nd in fact, the debt collectors will raise the cost of the next debt they buy."

          This is 100% false.  The Federal Reserve sets the interest rate.  Have you not been paying attention?  Why do you think interest rates are at 0%?  Do you think that is an accident?  The Market does not set the interest rates on the US Govt.  Treasury and the Fed could issue nothing but 3 month T-bonds at 0.25% forever if they wanted to

          "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

          by Auburn Parks on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:15:05 PM PDT

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          •  But nobody has to buy them (4+ / 0-)

            They can specify the interest rate all they want; that doesn't mean they can sell bonds at that rate.  But the demand for bonds, even at such low rates, is clearly still there.

            If there were no buyers, they'd have to sell the bonds at a discount -- effectively increasing the interest rate.

            •  Thats not how it works. Primary dealers must (0+ / 0-)

              buy the T-bonds.

              http://www.newyorkfed.org/...

              Furthermore, there are always buyers for T-bonds at any interest rate the Fed sets because
              1) T-bonds are the only interest bearing US dollar denominated default risk free financial assets
              2) Reserve deposits pay 0% interest, so any positive interest rate on T-bonds is better than 0%.
              3) Many pension and sovereign wealth funds are required by their charters to hold a certain percentage of risk free financial assets (T-bonds)in their portfolios.
              4) As is clearly evidenced by QE, the Fed can always buy enough T-bonds to make sure the available T-bonds do not outstrip demand (even though that is for all intents and purposes impossible, as I've elucidated above)

              Here's another example.  What can China do with the hundreds of billions of US dollars they acquire every year through their trade surplus with us?  They can only do 4 things:
              1) They can leave their money in reserve aka checking accounts at the Fed earning 0% interest
              2) They can exchange their dollars for another currency (which leaves the same amount of US dollars held by the Non-Govt exactly the same, it just shifts their owners)
              3) They can buy goods and services for sale in US dollars (although if they wanted to use all their dollars to buy goods and services, by definition, their would be no trade surplus)
              4) They can buy transfer their money into interest bearing securities accounts at the Fed (T-bonds).

              Thats it, those are the only options.

              MMT = Reality

              "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

              by Auburn Parks on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:26:58 PM PDT

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              •  "default risk free financial assets" (0+ / 0-)

                Actually, if the Republicans don't come to their senses about the debt limit, that's not true.

                But the broader point remains: there's still demand for Treasuries precisely because they are seen as the lowest risk investment out there, where "risk" includes both default risk and inflation risk.

                And if the Treasury tried to sqeeze rates too far, primary dealers could drop out.

                (Note that I agree with MMT also, by the way.)

                •  Primary dealers make 100's of millions (0+ / 0-)

                  of dollars off of their T-bond arrangements with the Fed and Treasury.  I wouldn't worry about them giving up that guaranteed revenue.  They have a defacto monopoly in the T-bond market.  If any did want to give that up, I'm sure there would be many, many eager financial institutions wiling to take their place.

                  With that said, I think its stupid to issue T-bonds in the first place.  Just issue the money and set the interest rate on reserves.  At least this way nobody could continue to misunderstand the nature of the monetary system.

                  And yes, there is no protection from financial kamikazes like the Republicans.  However, its the ignorance of the public at large about our national currency that gives them their political power.   Thats why I maintain the the first order of business is exposure of the truth, in order to expose the deficit terrorists for who they really are, con men and charlatans, no different from climate change or evolution deniers.

                  "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

                  by Auburn Parks on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 01:42:02 PM PDT

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          •  Market sets rate on 10-year and 30-year (0+ / 0-)

            Fed sets the benchmark rate, and I think the rate at which banks borrow from the Fed.

            •  Yes, under normal circumstances the Fed sets the (0+ / 0-)

              Federal Funds rate which is the overnight rate.  Technically this is a in between the higher penalty rate for banks borrowing at the Fed window (something they try to avoid as much as possible), and the interbank lending rate.

              All further duration rates (I.E. 2 yr, 5 yr, 10yr, 30yr etc) are basically the expected federal funds rate plus inflation, in order to protect primary dealers and the big banks from having to take real losses.

              Thats why we've seen the 10yr raise 100 basis points in the months leading up to yesterdays Fed press conference.  The Market expected the Fed to start to end QE, which would signal that the Fed is closer to raising the Federal Funds rate sooner rather than later.

              But as we've seen with QE, the Fed can effectively set the rate on longer term T-bonds simply buy targeting them with purchases and the Treasury issuing a greater composition of shorter term T-bonds.  Thats why the phrase, "don't fight the Fed" is a widely known axiom in the financial world.

              "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

              by Auburn Parks on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:37:10 PM PDT

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        •  And any time anyone anywhere perpetuates (1+ / 0-)
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          the myth the Federal Govt's budget operates anything like an individual budget, the right wing wins.  Right winger "The US Govt is going to run out of money!"
          Left winger "No its not, we can always tax more rich people to get the money!"

          Both of these are completely wrong, and thy both reinforce the notion that the US Govt (aka the US dollar creator and monopoly authority issuer) is revenue constrained.  Which is the nexus of the debt ceiling and deficit debates.  Everyone thinks that the only way for the US Govt to spend its own coupons is to first get them from people who are not legally allowed to create those same coupons.  So if you hate right wing budget cutting of food stamps, you should hate the household analogy and the false information it portrays

          MMT = Reality

          "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

          by Auburn Parks on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:21:23 PM PDT

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          •  You're taking this too literally... (11+ / 0-)

            Most people will simply never understand what you're talking about. They do understand metaphors. Even if metaphors are not perfect, they're valuable rhetorical instruments.

            Bottom line is that unless & until congress acts responsibly, they're shooting our country in the foot. That's the message that matters.  

            Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

            by walk2live on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:21:13 PM PDT

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            •  Congress acting responsibly would entail (0+ / 0-)

              them providing enough money to the private sector to maintain full employment.  This is done through the Govt contribution (RE: deficit).  Thats acting responsibly.  It is horribly immoral and irresponsible for Congress to not provide enough money (Its OUR money, OUR national currency, We The People) so that millions of people are forced to go without productive work when they want it.  When people are unemployed they are not contributing to our national wealth aka the real goods and services that a nation can produce for consumption.

              From a different angle.  Why is it socially acceptable for the GOPers to cut food stamps?  Because people believe that the Govt can run out of money just like you or I can.  So if that myth was killed, there would be no justifiable excuse for cutting food stamps or SS or medicare, or forcing young adults to take out tens of thousands of dollars of debt in order to get higher education.  The myth of Govt financing is the bedrock principle upon which every terrible Republican economic policy is based.  This is why its so critically important to disprove the Govt is a household analogy in the minds of the broader public

              "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

              by Auburn Parks on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:35:31 PM PDT

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              •  AP, you're a purist. Bless the purists. (2+ / 0-)

                But ... it is not "socially acceptable" to cut food stamps. It's what the GOP House can do. It's political leverage. That does not mean it is acceptable. No one here is saying it's acceptable.

                "Killing a myth" is not going to change the Tea Party Terrorists. They're already so distanced from reality that extraordinary reality cannot save them ... or us from them. Educating everyone is a fine goal, but we'll outlive the possibility.

                That said, I'll go with the ideas that it is irresponsible not to provide a budget for the US government and not to raise the debt ceiling. I won't buy that they are irrelevant because ... well, fiat money.

                2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

                by TRPChicago on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:06:28 PM PDT

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                •  Socially acceptable... (0+ / 0-)

                  Just one thing: I can see, down the road (not too far) that if the republicans can actually enact some of their really horrible and immoral plans, the tea party activists will be pumping fists in the air and yelling their victory - until reality hits them in the face. Then, they'll be crying about jobs, the cost of health care, the lack of food stamps, the lack of infrastructure maintenance - all those things that their dollars are supposed to be doing. It will suddenly occur to them that tax dollars are THEIR dollars, and that the dollars are being spent in ways that make the one percent richer.

                  When that realization takes place, it will be bloody. It will wipe that sickening smirk off of Mitch McConnell's face. Boehner won't show his face for a while.

                  And that really stupid junior congressman who yelled out "You Lie!" to Obama, about three sentences into his first speech to the joint houses of congress? He won't even be found, because he'll have reinvented himself as Joe the Plumber with a different angle.

                  Yes, 2014 is coming. And it's up to us.

      •  You can never underestimate the intelligence of (3+ / 0-)
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        most voters

    •  In 2011 he'd just lost an election big time (1+ / 0-)
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      This time he just won one. Makes a major difference.

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      by Fonsia on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:41:11 PM PDT

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      •  Wha? (0+ / 0-)

        President Obama didn't lose an election in 2011. I don't recall his name being on any ballot. Nor was the debt ceiling was an issue in that election or the one prior.

        More importantly, how one did in the last election is irrelevant when it comes the nation's credit. Bill Clinton saw even worse circumstances in 1995 and still, without any equivocation, refused any negotiations whatsoever on the debt ceiling.

        Nobody forced President Obama to negotiate over the debt ceiling in 2011. Even he has said himself that this was a major mistake and so have his staffers. None of them have used the excuse you used, even at the time the debacle was occurring they weren't saying 'we just lost an election. we have to do this!' That was a clear mistake on Obama's part, which we now see has been corrected by experience.

        Thing is, he could have avoided the experience and heeded the wisdom that could have been found through numerous sources outside his official circle.

    •  Time to invent a time machine (0+ / 0-)

      To send Obama of 2013 to tell the Obama of 2011 that he was a fucking retard for ignoring us.

      "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

      by jfern on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 01:42:17 AM PDT

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  •  Was good to see him back in KC (15+ / 0-)

    The speech was the kind of fire he has sometimes lacked, but it was on point and named names.   He has no more elections ever in his future, all he can do is pave the path for others.  

    And this speech was a good way to point out the truth of what is going on.

    Damn Republicans trying to go after FDRCare and ObamaCare (also known as: Social Security/Medicaid/ACA).  Lunatics.

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    by Chris Reeves on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:19:19 PM PDT

  •  What very odd behavior (14+ / 0-)

    I've been told for the last four years plus that President Obama can't just Green Lantern his way to a policy victory or do any kind of bully pulpiting because the Republicans would just ignore him anyway, and I didn't understand the way the world really works, and I was totally naive about what could be accomplished through the political system, and surely making public statements was the least important and least effective method for carrying a point, and so on, and so forth.

    I have to say I much prefer this sort of public statement to eleventy-seventh level behind-the-scenes subtle negotiating and maneuvering that results in the Weeper of the House saying he got 98% of what he wanted.

  •  Soon they'll say he's painting targets for (2+ / 0-)
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    militant socialists to go gunning after.

    Because, ya know, they would never do such a thing.

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    by JPax on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:23:08 PM PDT

  •  Good! (4+ / 0-)
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    by dash888 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:23:53 PM PDT

  •  I saw Newt Gingrich on CNN this morning saying (21+ / 0-)

    that shutting down government back while he was speaker was not a mistake.  Dude got his ass handed to him for that debacle and he still can't admit it was a mistake.  Deluded?  Yes.  

    And yet I can almost look back with nostalgia at the Gingrich speakership.  That's how low Republicans have sunk  The present Republican leadership makes Newt Gingrich look sane.  

    Jeebus.

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    by bherner on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:24:44 PM PDT

    •  That you saw Gingrich on CNN... (13+ / 0-)

      ...is why I don't watch CNN any more.

      That said, you're spot on:

      The present Republican leadership makes Newt Gingrich look sane.
      Of course, nothing's going to change until the American public kicks Republicans out of power.
    •  IMHO Newt saying a government shutdown (2+ / 0-)
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      isn't a mistake is very, very dangerous given the current crop of "Congresspeople" with Rs after their names.

      I mean, Newt was a Presidential candidate (snicker), and Speaker of the House so he must know what he is talking about.

      That might be just what the WATBs need to dig their heels in even further.

      •  Newt says whatever keeps him on (1+ / 0-)
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        all the talk shows -- what he can't stand is being irrelevant and ignored. So he'll say whatever makes it more likely that he'll be invited back, and get quoted on all the news shows for the next three days.

    •  Human nature... (1+ / 0-)
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      People never like to admit they were wrong, they think it makes them into losers. Instead, they double-down.

      Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

      by walk2live on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:22:56 PM PDT

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    •  Gingrich full statement today below (gag) (0+ / 0-)

      Obama's Bluff

      President Obama has adopted the unsustainable position that he will not negotiate with Congress over spending and the debt ceiling. He is betting he can get Republicans to fold without having to give up anything he wants.

      That’s why we’re hearing ridiculous claims from him like the one he made speaking to the Business Roundtable this week: "You have never seen in the history of the United States the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt being used to extort a president or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and nothing to do with the debt."

      This is nonsense, of course. As Speaker of the House John Boehner pointed out recently, “every major effort to deal with the deficit over the past 30 years has been tied to the debt limit."

      Moreover, the implication that Obamacare has “nothing to do with the budget and nothing to do with the debt” is simply dishonest. The law accounts for a large part of the budget and we now know that it will cost twice as much in the next ten years as President Obama promised before it was passed.

      Despite the massive increase in cost and with evidence of the law’s harmful effects piling up, most Democrats and a substantial number of Republicans seem content to maintain the present course, following the president who says he will not negotiate with Congress.

      The truth is the President may soon be forced to negotiate. The Republican House today boldly passed a spending bill without funding to implement Obamacare, which many commentators are predicting could lead to a government shutdown.

      This is a big step. It is very hard to change the status quo in Washington because most people in Washington do not want to change the status quo. If you really want to change things, you need to turn up the heat enough to force the old order to act. That’s how you bring negotiating partners to the table.

      In 1995 and 1996, the government closed twice when the Republican Congress and President Clinton could not reach an agreement on spending. It is conventional wisdom in Washington and in the news media that this was a major mistake for Republicans. But that view is completely wrong. Before we took over the House in 1994, we had promised the voters we would fight for balanced budgets. We proved to the country we were serious about it, and more importantly, we proved to President Clinton that we were serious. The balanced budgets of the next four years were a direct result of those shutdowns. The heat convinced President Clinton that he had to negotiate.

      President Obama may be in for a similar surprise after today’s vote, a first step that could eventually force him to abandon his counterproductive pledge not to negotiate with Congress. If he continues to refuse, the government he runs will close--and the American people will begin to wonder why he refuses to make a deal. They may not be as firmly on his side as he expects. A Rasmussen poll this week found that 51 percent of Americans favor a partial government shutdown until Congress and the President agree on cuts to spending on the health care law.

      When we see this level of conflict in Washington, it’s not because either side is stupid, and it’s not because they’re playing games. It’s because one group wants to keep everything the same and the other group wants change. Eventually the situation will heat up enough and each side will have to negotiate.

      Your Friend,
      Newt

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      by Chris Reeves on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:12:28 PM PDT

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  •  Stop Governing from crisis to crises. (12+ / 0-)

    Well Said.

  •  It's about damn time (4+ / 0-)
    We are governed by hostage-takers
    By Simplify, Feb. 27, 2007
    Of course, that goes back to Newt Gingrich, and beyond...

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:25:57 PM PDT

  •  That's a relief (4+ / 0-)
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    After the past two weeks, glad to see the Prez putting out a message I can wholeheartedly support.

  •  Ford Tough, Job One, and Detroit's Alive (1+ / 0-)
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    I just want to break this down one more time. I go into a Ford dealership. I drive off with a new F-150. Unless I paid cash, I've still got to pay for it each month. I can’t just say, you know, I’m not going to make my car payment this month. That’s what Congress is threatening to do—just saying, I'm not going to pay the bills.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:28:26 PM PDT

  •  This is our real Munich Moment. (3+ / 0-)
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    "I began to suspect the physical effect of four years' intermittent bombing is far less damaging to the intrinsic character of a nation than the spiritual effect of four years of enemy occupation."

  •  He needs to do this more often (16+ / 0-)

    The president should drive home the point that not raising the debt ceiling isn't the equivalent of "not wanting to spend more money" but rather it's like "having a dinner a restaurant and then sneaking out of the bathroom window when the bill comes."

    The country needs to hear this over and over again for the next few weeks so the GOP will look as foolish as they really are over this whole government shutdown/defund Obamacare/not raising the debt ceiling nonsense.

    Filibuster? I hardly know her!

    by grich01 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:30:26 PM PDT

    •  Hey Obama...I got a nice deMarini aluminum (1+ / 0-)
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      baseball bat you could borrow and use on them.

      Has a nice whip-effect when you swing through with good strong wrists and proper hip rotation.

      Can knock those blockheads a country mile. deMarini - its the best!

      "radical, ideological wet dream"

      by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:53:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Finally, Let Obama be Obama ... (11+ / 0-)

    A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

    by falconer520 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:31:31 PM PDT

  •  Republicans were as happy as I've ever seen them (10+ / 0-)

    Who knew voting to keep tens of millions of Americans from getting health insurance and millions from food assistance could make you feel so good (must be a CONservative Christian thing). People that want Single Payer (as I do) that keep giving cover to these ass-hats, know this, it comes at a high price for some that can afford it the least.

  •  "RepublicansDontCare" (16+ / 0-)

    I think Obama should start repeating, "They want to repeal Obamacare and replace it with RepublicansDontCare."

    Got kinda a nice bumpersticker feel to it, no?

  •  I'd like to hear him call out his fellow Harvard (6+ / 0-)

    Law School alum, Ted Cruz, by name.  As one of those in the "faction on the far right of the Republican Party right now",  ted deserves to be called out by name.  

    Crappy demagogue. Call out his sh*t.

    I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

    by tom 47 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:32:31 PM PDT

  •  Mr. President (6+ / 0-)

    Take off the gloves sir, these guys need another (political) beating.

    Force the Republicans to take their party back from the freaks and Bible-pounders.

    I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

    by roninkai on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:38:36 PM PDT

  •  Wow. I'll vote for him! (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Keep in mind (2+ / 0-)
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    Da 'chickenhawk' calgary cruz is Still a Canadian Citizen, and the why is their Health Care for the citizens of!!!!

    What's really keeping Ted Cruz from finally renouncing his Canadian citizenship?

    "If military action is worth our troops' blood, it should be worth our treasure, too; not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American." -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    by jimstaro on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:42:01 PM PDT

    •  That's a great article. However, the author and (0+ / 0-)

      you have a misunderstanding, I'm pretty sure, about Canadian Medicare coverage.  The important criterion is residency rather than citizenship.  I'm vague about details but even if you are a citizen you still have residency requirements to meet.  Needless to say, Ted Cruz doesn't qualify.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 09:29:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Fiscally Responsible Teabaggers Is An Oxymoron (2+ / 0-)
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    The country will be getting another credit rating downgrade because teabaggers are racist a$$holes.

    It's their way or the highway.

    It's time that the solemnly sworn oath of public office meant something -- you know, that part about supporting, obeying, and defending the Constitution and DISCHARGING THE DUTIES OF THEIR OFFICEs WITH FIDELITY -- any violation constitutes perjury-violation of oath and is grounds for removal from public office.

  •  The Republicans are now certifiaby insane.. (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't know what the best analogy is.  Kamikze?  Banzai attack?

    Or something a little closer to home that I heard mentioned on the teevee this morning - "Pickett's Charge"?

    •  Pickett's Charge was precipitated by stupidity (7+ / 0-)

      and resulted in the wholesale slaughter of rebs at the fenceline.

      That clear fenceline was directly responsible for their slaughter. But they kept crossing that line. And getting slaughtered. Artillery was zero-in on that fenceline and the infantry was similarly locked in. Just a senseless slaughter with no chance of victory.

      Pretty good analogy for today.

      "radical, ideological wet dream"

      by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:04:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Gettysburg. In case anybody wasn't sure. (2+ / 0-)
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        and then it was uphill if they survived the fenceline. Don't know if anybody made it all the way the hill. Too tired to do anything but surrender by the time they got up there.

        "radical, ideological wet dream"

        by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:31:36 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  A few actually made it to the wall before they (0+ / 0-)

          were killed, wounded or captured.  By the time they reached the wall, the federal artillery was firing grapeshot and canister at point blank range, using cannons like giant shotguns.

          Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity -- George Carlin

          by ZedMont on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:48:10 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  While Lee was a quite robust and seemingly healthy (2+ / 0-)
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        commander in the early war, by the time of the Gettysburg campaign, he was in chronic ill health.

        Despite many earlier strategic and tactical successes, Lee was irrationally convinced this charge would succeed in splitting the Union line, despite clear evidence to the contrary, including the fruitless pleading of his most trusted lieutenant, Gen. James Longstreet.  Had his favorite General Stonewall Jackson been alive, I am confident he would have been pleading alongside Longstreet.  Jackson was bold, but he was no fool.  

        Lee's preparatory artillery barrage had failed due to the trajectory dictated by the terrain, which caused most of the shelling to pass completely over the Union lines, leaving it almost completely intact.  This was no secret to Lee.  His Artillery commander knew it and Longstreet knew it.  Lee did not seem to comprehend the significance of it.

        In fact Lee did not seem capable of rationally evaluating his opinion against Longstreet's convincing reasons against it.  For Lee, who valued the opinions of his staff, this was an uncharacteristic event.  

        Another was his earlier insistence that General John Bell Hood make a direct frontal assault on Little Round Top, despite Hood's pleas that he be allowed to flank the Union line.  The result was massive casualties and failure to take the hill.  Longstreet had sympathized with Hood's recommendation, but could do nothing about it.

        Lee suffered from various health ailments around the time of the Gettysburg campaign. At times he was unable to ride his horse and had to be transported by wagon, indicating possible peripheral artery disease.  Although the diagnostics were not available at the time, the symptoms in the record indicate possible pericarditis resulting from an earlier bout with malaria, atherosclerosis, angina pectoris, and probably high blood pressure (the sphygmomanometer was yet to be invented).

        In fact he was in such poor health that a month after Gettysburg he asked Jefferson Davis to relieve him of command for health reasons.  Davis declined, of course.

        I'm not sure Lee's calamitous decision at Gettysburg was precipitated as much by stupidity - in fact I highly doubt it - as it was by something like episodic dementia caused by insufficient oxygen to the brain, exacerbated by extreme fatigue and stress.

        His death from stroke five years after the war at the age of 63 would not be a surprising culmination of such an event.

        Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity -- George Carlin

        by ZedMont on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:43:25 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You may have scientifically proven my point: (0+ / 0-)
          I'm not sure Lee's calamitous decision at Gettysburg was precipitated as much by stupidity - in fact I highly doubt it - as it was by something like episodic dementia caused by insufficient oxygen to the brain, exacerbated by extreme fatigue and stress.

          "radical, ideological wet dream"

          by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:36:37 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I mean, putting an "episodic dementia" victim (0+ / 0-)

            in charge of a major war battle?

            "radical, ideological wet dream"

            by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:38:16 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  And don't even get me started on the whole (0+ / 0-)

            General Pickett thing. He was there and in charge. That's why its called "Pickett's Charge". Could've lessened the slaughter.

            "radical, ideological wet dream"

            by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:42:42 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Well, as for Lee, he had been in charge for years, (1+ / 0-)
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              and nobody knew how bad off he was.  He wasn't exactly surrounded by a team of neurologists.  He wasn't put in charge of the battle.  He was put in charge of the war by Jefferson Davis.  Davis had no idea what condition Lee was in until after Gettysburg, and even then as I said, he refused to remove him from command.  

              As for Pickett, he was in charge of leading the charge, not for ordering it.  His execution of it was consistent with military tactics at the time.  There was nothing he could have done to prevent it except disobey orders, and that wasn't going to happen.  When asked years later why the charge had failed, Pickett wryly replied, "I always thought the Yankees had something to do with it."

              In private, though, he did blame Lee for the disaster.  "That old man cost me my division," he was reported to have said years after the war.

              Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity -- George Carlin

              by ZedMont on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:57:55 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  This is such a wonderful, informative comment. (1+ / 0-)
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          It made me think of Faulkner saying that the past is not dead, it isn't even past.  Thanks.  

          We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

          by Observerinvancouver on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 09:42:53 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  This is the old Nixon Madman strategy (3+ / 0-)
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    See this piece by David Frum, The Fiscal Cliff Madman Strategy, from Nov 2012:
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

    they aren't seriously trying to defund Obamacare - they are trying to make the sequester permanent.

    There's no such thing as a free market!

    by Albanius on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:44:46 PM PDT

  •  Now Cruz is going to filibuster the House bill (3+ / 0-)
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    that the Republicans just passed?

    http://hotair.com/...

    Boy, is this getting complicated.

    "A developed country is not where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation." - Mayor of Bogota

    by Time Waits for no Woman on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:46:10 PM PDT

  •  You call that a jab? (2+ / 0-)
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    The inflation around here is getting ridiculous. Sounds kinda whiney to me. It should make this a televised address and detail the hostage taking:

    1. ACA
    2. Federal Court judges.

    The list could go on. And needs to call it for what it is: sabotage. If he used the word sabotage and if Democrats all the way down the line echoed it and reinforced the message, maybe it would get through.

    He didn't get the message through here. He whined. Who ever could have predicted that the candidate known for his communication skills would turn into a tongue-tied President who can't call things for what they are?

    Selling ACA should be as easy as falling off a turnip truck. He's still on the truck.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:46:55 PM PDT

    •  Yeah. He got thumped about Syria too (3+ / 0-)

      but they have come forward and admitted that they have chemical weapons and there is a deal on the table to place them under international control.  I'm sure everyone marks that crisis up as a failure except for the fact there is a credible probability that they won't ever be used again by the Syrian government.  The guy is so terrible and yet things keep getting done.  Go figure.

      •  It's elementary that he is not. (0+ / 0-)

        Sandy Hook Elementary.

        If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

        by Bensdad on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:08:13 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Jennifer Ruben in WashPo called Syria (0+ / 0-)

        Obama's disaster.

        "radical, ideological wet dream"

        by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:34:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not a disaster, although it looked like it.... (0+ / 0-)

          ...was headed that way.  What is disasterous is that he doesn't use that Syrian full court press on other issues. He expects things to just work out.

          If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

          by Bensdad on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:52:34 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Think he's suckering the repubs into suicide (4+ / 0-)
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            missions.

            Make a half-ass threat like he did to Syrian, watch the punks back down...end chemical weapons in most unstable country in world with chemical weapons. Sorry - this is no disaster. Was a HUGE success that are driving repubs NUTS!

            Now he's doing same things to repubs - go ahead and cross that line. Shut the whole thing down. I'm gambling that Obama cleans their clocks. He's the only guy in the room who doesn't need to get re-elected.

            Pretty stoopid sport to play, but whatever.

            "radical, ideological wet dream"

            by Scottsdalian on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:00:50 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  He should have added... (5+ / 0-)

    ...And who told me to buy that F-150 in the first place? The Congress did! They passed the laws that said what I had to buy, because that's their job, and now they want to tell me I'm not allowed to make the payments. It's crazy!

    Perhaps he did, and I missed it :-)

    Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping?

    by UncleDavid on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:55:45 PM PDT

  •  Good, very good (5+ / 0-)

    Now crank it up and begin to question the patriotism of those who would risk economic calamity in America to score a few political points.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:57:00 PM PDT

    •  If they go completely insane, (0+ / 0-)

      go beyond shutting things down, and actually cause the US to default on debt, are they not in direct violation of the Constitution - Amendment 14, Section 4?

      "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

  •  Top comment. (0+ / 0-)
  •  With October 1st just around the corner, (1+ / 0-)
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    I suspect we'll be seeing more of this.

    The most violent element in society is ignorance.

    by Mr MadAsHell on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:57:52 PM PDT

  •  It's pathetic that this is necessary, but it (5+ / 0-)

    absolutely is.

    Kudos, Jed. Kudo, POTUS.

  •  It's so true. (2+ / 0-)
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    The Republicans don't respond to polite, genteel behavior.  They don't "get" nuance or subtlety.  They don't respect compromise or negotiation.

    They understand only brute force.  Winning or losing.  Zero sum games.  Power politics.

    You can't constructively work with them to accomplish things for the good of the country.  You can only defeat them, marginalize them, and neutralize them - to limit their ability to hurt other people.

    It's like trying to domesticate a vicious pit bull, to turn it into a house pet.  It's been fighting other dogs for its entire life.  It knows only the brutality of "kill or be killed".  You want to be kind-hearted and humane to it; give it a better life than its ever known before.  But you dare not allow it to ever get near your children.

    MM

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:03:28 PM PDT

  •  Campaign Obama.... (1+ / 0-)
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    I like Campaign Obama.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

    by RichM on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:06:19 PM PDT

  •  Haymakers are needed (5+ / 0-)

    because what the Rapepublicans are fighting for is the killing and starving of American people and their children.

    The GOP are traitors and should be tried as such.  Fucking bastards, people are going to DIE as the result of this polidicking.

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:12:01 PM PDT

  •  I always expect the President to give ground... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...but I did like how he said "otherwise known as Obamacare."  I suspect and hope he takes a lot of pride in having something at least somewhat useful named after him, as opposed to Bushwar.  

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:13:16 PM PDT

  •  Congress' children (1+ / 0-)
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    will not go hungry this week.  They also will not be denied health care coverage.  

    Unless Americans start paying attention and demand the same fucking rights as these assholes.

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:23:06 PM PDT

  •  I'd love a joint session on national TV and a (3+ / 0-)

    public shaming/scolding.

    With the President using that gently goading style until one of these crazies actually does it and calls him a n* right there on the House floor on National TV.

    Country Outraged.

    People angry.

    Republicans doomed.

    Game over.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 03:32:15 PM PDT

  •  Politics and pagentry is not governing (0+ / 0-)

    Can Republicans govern? Can Republicans put the middle class first?

    They seem more interested in playing games with the lives of other Americans to rack up political points than they are interested in solving the real problems that the average Americans face.

  •  I hope Obama is learning that it can actually be (4+ / 0-)
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    fun to do the right thing! Ridiculing the Right Wing is not a chore, it's a blast!

    •  Actually it can become a chore, (0+ / 0-)

      there is SO MUCH to keep track of.  First you got representatives (?) like brickbrain Bachman, lyin' Ryan, etc.  Then you got the governors who don't want government intruding in their right to govern, because they don't want to be called out over their new laws that are stupid and repressive.  Ditto state representatives who support stupid and repressive.  After that come county commissioners, school boards, city officials, etc.  
      It's like the line from Erin Brockovich when she said ironically, "Yes, I slept with every single one of them - and I'm really quite tired".  

  •  If At First You Don't Succeed ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... try again another 40 times, then shut down the government.

    This totally (and hilariously) destroys that new anti-Obamacare ad from the Koch Brothers' new youth front group: Uncle Sam as Creepy Gynecologist

  •  The very essence of (1+ / 0-)
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    kick butt and take names.  And spit out the pieces.

  •  Senator McCain is more upset about baseball (3+ / 0-)
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    than Americans.

    Wow, with all the voting going on in Congress and how it will hurt millions of veterans, elderly, the unemployed and most importantly - children... you'd think Senator McCain would have more important matters on his mind.

    Nawwwww.

    He's all pouty because after the Dodgers win, the players took a dip in the stadium pool.  You see, the Dodgers were told not to celebrate on the field after a win.

    Imagine!  Being told not to celebrate if you win because the D'Backs would have a sad.

    Can't celebrate.  Can't wear the other team's shirts behind the plate.

    Arizona really sucks.  

    http://sports.yahoo.com/...

    I must say, the comments suggest that most people are not happy with his electronic poker playing during sessions as well as they are not happy with Congress voting to starve people.  Maybe the tide is turning?

    Rapepublicans forgot the first rule of Bread and Circuses.  You muse FEED the peasants.  You can lie to them and hurt them... but you must feed them otherwise the masses get uptight.  No amount of lies and BS spin can stop your child's stomach from hurting from hunger.  More Americans will be experiencing hunger.  Being hungry is not a good feeling at all. l

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:05:25 PM PDT

  •  Couldn't Senate Democrats... (0+ / 0-)

    Couldn't Senate Democrats pull some procedural stunt to shine the light on the House stupidity?  Like maybe taking the house bills, letting it come to an immediate vote, all vote present and send it to the president to be vetoed 5 minutes later? Of course, they would probably still not learn...

  •  Start Talking (0+ / 0-)

    It's not like he can just show up wherever and start talking AA Route Planner. All these things need to be planned and figured out...

  •  An easy fix (0+ / 0-)

    End the Bush tax cut now.

    End all tax deductions to include mortgage, extend business Capital Depreciation to 25 years.

    Close all loopholes in the Corp tax code.

    End Corp welfare and the Farm Bill.

    Adjust in 2 years.

  •  Some call it Treason? (0+ / 0-)

    Just thinking, some people have begun to characterize the GOP/Tea Party/Far Right congressional representatives as committing treason.

    Why?

    Because by causing the sequester, by failing to raise the debt ceiling, the US Government can no longer afford to protect the nation.

    By bringing the Country to its knees.

    By becoming one of those enemies - foreign or domestic - they take an oath to protect the nation from.

    Just a thought ...

    There is no right way to do the wrong thing!

    by HashHoward on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 03:34:18 AM PDT

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