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Senator Ted Cruz was interviewed on Fox News today.  Host Chris Wallace asked Cruz what the end game is if the senate did not pass the house bill to defund Obamacare.  The answer Cruz gave is just unbelievable:

“If Harry Reid kills the bill in the Senate, the House should hold its ground, and should begin passing smaller continuing resolutions, one department at a time,” Cruz explained. “It should start with a continuing resolution focused on the military.”

“Send it over, see if Harry Reid is willing to shut down the military,"

My take on Crazy Cruz is posted below the orange turd, and crossposted at All Things Democrat.

To be clear about this, if congress were to refuse to provide funding for the military, that would not mean that everyone in the service would just pack up and come on home to civilian jobs until funding resumed.  Cruz is threatening to cut off the paychecks for our service members even as they risk their lives in Afghanistan and around the world.    

Beyond the obvious damage this harebrained scheme would cause to America's national security, consider the effect this would have on American military personnel. Cruz cannot pass a law saying creditors must stop collecting obligations from those in the military. Cruz is willing to sacrifice the good credit of those who volunteered to serve in pursuit of his crazy vendetta.  If Cruz has his way thousands upon thousands of military members will see their credit damaged.  Lower credit scores will cost these patriots billions of dollars due to higher interest rates.  

Imagine what would happen to enlistments if congress starts using military paychecks as the newest pawn in their perpetual game of chicken with the budget.  Be All That You Can Be... while your family stands in line at the soup kitchen.

Besides being used to qualify for lower interest rates, credit scores are used to qualify for housing, job placement and even security clearances.  Imagine needing a security clearance to do your job but not being able to pay your bills because of Ted Cruz and his crazy ass vendetta.  

Of course this would apply to civilian contractors as well.  

A lot of Republicans have spent the last week calling Ted Cruz names due to his Obamacare vendetta. Threatening to cut off funding for the military should be easy ammunition to make those attacks even more effective.    

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  •  Cruz should be given as little attention as (12+ / 0-)

    possible so he gets his enormous ego starved.  What really can he do?  His insanity will not be accepted so he is left with one severely crazy idea after another.  After awhile it will be like that strange uncle many of us have:  there he goes again crazy Uncle Ted out to destroy America like his relatives did in Cuba.  The less attention he gets, the less he gets to act like McCarthy his mentor-prototype.  Like McCarthy this nutty idea to attack  the military by defunding it will garner him everlasting enmity from sane people everywhere.  His leering look of hopeful destruction makes real reptiles rear up in envy.

  •  No no, it would be HARRY REID shutting down (14+ / 0-)

    The military, not TED CRUZ! Because you see, Ted would only be influencing the HOUSE to present the Bill, and even if the House passes a Bill defunding the military, it would STILL ONLY BE HARRY REID'S FAULT because.... oh Hell I can't follow this guy's insanity.

    I'm not locked up in here with you. YOU'RE locked up in here with ME.

    by Fordmandalay on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 12:36:15 PM PDT

  •  "Crazy" Cruz fits so well! (6+ / 0-)
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    Fury, JeffW, dotdash2u, SoCalSal, bythesea, Matt Z

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 12:49:52 PM PDT

  •  Bas+ard's time is almost up. (7+ / 0-)

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 12:52:51 PM PDT

  •  Clearly Cruz hates the troops! (7+ / 0-)

    Then again what else is new?

  •  And BTW (15+ / 0-)
    “If Harry Reid kills the bill in the Senate, the House should hold its ground, and should begin passing smaller continuing resolutions, one department at a time,” Cruz explained. “It should start with a continuing resolution focused on the military.”
    “Send it over, see if Harry Reid is willing to shut down the military,"
    Anyone still think the Republicans are anything more than DOMESTIC TERRORISTS?
  •  actually, the military budget is where Republicans (9+ / 0-)

    can really save some money.

    If those Republicans in the House, who just passed a budget that cuts money from food stamps, hurting poor people, including military veterans, were really interested in cutting our spending, our deficits and our debt, they would look at those tens, even hundreds of billions of dollars over the next few years that they are spending on weapons systems the Pentagon doesn't even need and doesn't even want.

    Republicans are always walking around like a bunch of proud roosters, crowing about their "fiscal conservativeness." And then they cut a few billion from programs like food stamps, which helps people who need it, a few billion dollars that will make virtually no dent in our spending.

    If they were serious about cutting government spending, they would be looking at teh military budget, which represents nearly three-quarters of our entire annual budget, and which includes hundreds of billions of dollars in money that only benefits wealthy defense contractors.

    We need to do a better job showing the American public how perverse Republican priorities are, when they can easily, without any pain, cut hundreds of billions of dollars out of our military spending without impacting our military capabilities one bit.

    More than 650 billion dollars a year spent on the military, including hundreds of billions of dollars the Pentagon neither needs nor wants. And Republicans decide that the best thing to do is cut four billion from food stamps. They are seriously sick people.

    •  I essentially agree (4+ / 0-)
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      ZappoDave, Cassandra Waites, jacey, wdrath

      There is a ton of savings to be had in the defense budget if congress could get the cajones to really cut that spending.  And lately there are some signs from the libertarian wing of the Republican party that are very encouraging on this.

      Frankly the focus of this diary was not even on the national security aspect of a wholesale full stop on defense spending as envisioned by Cruz.  The result of such a policy would be disastrous on a case by case basis for members of the military and military contractors. As a proud liberal I would not want to see such a calamity visited upon these people, even if I do agree that the defense budget should be cut substantially.  

      We need to do cut defense intelligently.  That is based upon humanitarian concerns which I believe match my liberal outlook very well.

      I am the neo-con nightmare, I am a liberal with the facts.

      by bhfrik on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 01:42:52 PM PDT

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    •  GOPers Will Never Cut The Military (3+ / 0-)
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      Yes, they are sick if somehow greedy = sick. (IMO, it does, but that's another topic.) You see, check out sometime how much money defense contractors give to certain targeted legislators, and this will make sense.

      People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. - George Orwell

      by paz3 on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 03:23:47 PM PDT

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      •  which is part of my point... (1+ / 0-)
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        bhfrik

        ...how many Americans are aware that nearly three quarters of our entire trillion dollar annual budget goes to the military and that there are hundreds of billions of dollars that could be cut without impacting our defense one bit...at the same time that Republicans want to cut food stamps for the poor, including military veterans?

        It seems to me that that we progressives need to do a much better job putting everything into proper perspective so average, everyday Americans can see how blatantly disingenous Republicans are when it comes to their claims of wanting to be "fiscally responsible." It's a Republican hoax.

  •  Last time the government couldn't pay us in the (1+ / 0-)
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    Navy, Navy Federal Credit Union picked up the slack until the government could get back on top of shit.  They'll probably do it again, but NavyFed only has so much they can do...

    "There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. - James Morrow

    by kirrix on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 01:44:35 PM PDT

  •  I think Ted Cruz is really great for (1+ / 0-)
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    bhfrik

    the Democratic Party.  At least as long as he pushes for a government shutdown.  

  •  Something good has been achieved. The (2+ / 0-)
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    bythesea, Buckeye54

    American people are getting clued in to the fact that the Congress is in charge of dollars. What is not quite clear yet is that the debt ceiling, in addition to being an arbitrary cap on the Treasury borrowing back the dollars it sends out via the Fed, is a myth in terms of limiting what Congress can spend. Of course, we already had evidence of that when the Iraq adventure was paid for off-budget.
    Anyway, revealing that Congress is a fraud and just exactly what that fraud affects is good. It's not easy because the Cons have spent decades creating the illusion of Congress as a rubber stamp for the imperious executive--an illusion they are trying desperately to maintain by referring to the health insurance reform system crafted by Congress as Obamacare at every opportunity, just as previously it was Bush's War and Bush's Tax Cuts, even though it was Congress that passed the AUMF and re-wrote the tac code.

    Cruz is telling a half truth. If President Obama cannot be stopped with the false issue they call Obamacare, then he will proceed to follow through on the sequester and take it out of the hide of the MIC (Military Industrial Complex), not the pay of the troops.
    The Cons always tell half truths. That's because they are conscious and intentional liars. Falsehoods are sometimes just mistakes or the result of bad information.

    What is also becoming clear is that neither the budget nor the debt ceiling are the real issue. The real issue is the authorization to spend which is contained in appropriations bills. The Continuing Resolution is merely an appropriations bill that authorizes spending at the same level and rate as before. It says "keep doing what you've been doing."
    The problem Cruz has is that while the Congress can ration or withhold dollars, it can't force the executive to spend what he doesn't want to spend. The decreasing deficit is evidence there has been a lot of that, but probably not in areas that Congress critters like -- money to contractors and corporations that are going to deliver the votes to keep them in power.
    Remember Randy "Duke" Cunningham and his friend Wade? They went to prison because Randy accepted presents for sending defense contracts Wade's way. Votes from a captive work force are much safer, as the guy at Murray Mining knows, because they have no monetary value. Not to mention that GOTV is a patriotic effort.

    If contracts for military hardware and software and electronics shrink, what incentive will the workers have to vote for the Congressman paraded around the plant by the bossman?

    Cruz is right to be worried, even more so because his colleagues have sent him out to take the flack.

  •  cruz is an asshole (3+ / 0-)
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    bhfrik, miracle11, Dem Beans

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 02:34:31 PM PDT

  •  please proceed, Carnival Cruz (1+ / 0-)
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    bhfrik

    My heroes have the heart to live the life I want to live.

    by JLFinch on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 02:35:25 PM PDT

  •  If he isn't a Liberal double agent (2+ / 0-)
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    he may as well be.

  •  So the House sends the bill to the Senate (3+ / 0-)
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    bhfrik, micsimov, sharman

    Harry Reid can do a number of things with tha bill.  The most extreme is to gut the entire text and propose a Senate version that has none of the House language at all in it but is a clean continuing resolution (and that maybe puts Congressional pay first in line for future debt limit shutdowns; love to see a roll-call vote on that one.)

    Or Harry Reid can just open the bill for amendments.  And Democratic amendments can take care of the poison pills.

    Or Harry Reid can blow up the filibuster entirely and shove through a sane bill on a majority vote of Democrats.

    Ted Cruz forgets that the Senate does not work like his buddies in the House do.

    So the Senate passes its bill and goes back to the House for reconciliation.  Hello, John Boehner.  The Nancy  Pelosi has to tell McIntyre and Matheson either to act like Democrats or forget DCCC funding.

    Where does the Orange Man get his votes from?

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 03:05:43 PM PDT

    •  Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Senate sends (2+ / 0-)
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      back to the House the CR with Obamacare funding and the House, if it follows Calgary's junior Senator's new strategy, just sends over a spending bill for the military, cannot the Senate simply add Obamacare funding to any spending bill?

      The Democrats care about you after you're born. --Ed Schultz

      by micsimov on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 06:13:40 PM PDT

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  •  what happened to that time when Returds (2+ / 0-)
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    would call you a traitor if you even mildly criticized the President about military policy?  Now they are so patriotic that threatening to stop funding the military entirely is a-ok?  Fuck those shitbrains and everyone who supports them.
    My thought is not meant to be a carte blanche support for the military, but as repugnance to the complete and utter hypocrisy of the Returdlicking Party.

  •  health care AND cutting the military?! pinch me! (2+ / 0-)
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    oxfdblue, bhfrik

    Go for it, teabaggers!

    Too bad the "defense" contractors will never let it happen.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 03:22:33 PM PDT

  •  Insurance Cos. About to Commit a Billion Dollars.. (4+ / 0-)
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    ..to getting people to SIGN UP for the ACA!

    In the ninth paragraph of this article- http://www.nytimes.com/...  in today's NY Times:

    Those efforts [of the Administration] will eventually be augmented by a Madison Avenue-style advertising campaign by insurance companies, which officials say are poised to spend $1 billion or more to attract millions of new customers. Some of the ads are likely to be aimed at young people, many of whom are uninsured but healthy — and great for the insurance companies’ bottom line.
    Wonder how Lunatic Ted is going deal with that.
  •  Do you remember? (3+ / 0-)
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    Do you remember when Hillary was "told" to be low profile when she arrived in the Senate?  Because because.  Same with Elizabeth Warren.  Funny that they don't say that to Cruz.  Oh yeah he's a whackjob and he's a male.  What was I thinking?

  •  Hey, lets make Cruz a one term asshole (3+ / 0-)
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    Granted, he fits in with all the other assholes in tea party politics, that is for sure.  But this guy, he wins my vote for being the biggest prick of all.  He must go.  Cruz must go.  Maybe he will resign and join his sidekick Deminted.

  •  The problem with Cruz's suggestion is that (1+ / 0-)
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    bhfrik

    the Senate would again decouple the defunding of the ACA from the military budget, pass the military part, defeat or shelve the defunding the ACA part and sent them back to he House.

    Which is pretty much the situation that we have now.

    If the Senate does nto pass the CR and or Obama vetoes a CR/defund bill it will defund the military.

    This mess has been in the news enough that it is not going under the radar of any American who keeps up with the news, if Fox fanatics.

    So the impact on PR for either party will be pretty much the same with Cruz' suggestion only more so.  Most Americans are tired of watching their national leaders stand around pissing on each other.

    They all look stupid and they stink to high heavens.

  •  I think Cruz is on to something--- (1+ / 0-)
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    bhfrik

    Cut military spending in half and you still spend almost twice as much as China.  Then spend 300 billions a year on social services.  Well maybe some of it would have be used to help defense contractors transition into producing carbon sinks.

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