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As I indicated some time ago, it looks like the GOP House will again get its 98% wish after all.

Harry Reid is signaling that the Senate will strip out the Obamacare defunding from the GOP House's Continuing Resolution to keep the govt open - but will keep the CR at the low spending level preferred by the GOP House, locking in the sequester spending cuts to domestic and defense spending.

The tea party GOP House members will achieve their 98% victory again.

John Boehner wins again.  [He knew he could never defund Obamacare; his real goal was to cut spending, which he will have done.]

Sigh

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  •  Asdf (8+ / 0-)

    Um.....

    Since sequestration impacts defense at the same levels as other spending, how is it precisely a GOP win??

    I know TPM has a story up now trumpeting precisely this theory, but that doesn't mean it needs to be mirrored here, especially when it is so dubious,

  •  was undoing the sequester ever an option here? (14+ / 0-)

    I was under the impression that it's the nature of CR to maintain the status quo and punt the football on down a few months and deal with it later.

    •  It is just posturing (2+ / 0-)
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      CenPhx, forgore

      Although we can argue that it's more truthful to argue that restoring the funding is a return to normal. The sequester was only supposed to be a temporary thing (as much as it was supposed to be anything purposeful). Program funding projections didn't contemplate a 10% cut...

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 04:36:32 AM PDT

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    •  there were cuts (1+ / 0-)
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      pollwatcher

      in a previous CR, I believe.  It seems to me Congress could (but won't) go the other way as well.

      How is taking a hundred dollars worth of food from hungry kids or from old poor sick people equal to taking a hundred dollars from billionaires? -- howabout, 19 Dec 2012

      by billlaurelMD on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 04:46:07 AM PDT

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    •  It's a bargaining chip the Dems must have (6+ / 0-)

      This whole fight over Obamacare is a head fake.  At the last minute of the debt ceiling fight next month, the R's will drop Obamacare and put more budget cuts on the table, and the Dems will have nothing.  This is almost an exact replay of 2011 when the Repugs were demanding a balanced budget Amendemnt, and ended up with a HUGE victory of slashing government spending and crippling our future.

      •  but the dems have always had the same nothing (0+ / 0-)

        as long as the R's are willing to allow the debt ceiling not to be raised. And it's not like they could have done anything differently now that would really impact it.

        The only option they're going to have is to actually allow it to happen - unless somehow Boehner caves at the end like last Dec/Jan. There's very little that could have avoided it.

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        by eparrot on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 10:17:25 AM PDT

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  •  Because the Democrats always (11+ / 0-)

    accept the insane Republican demands as a reasonable place to start negotiations from when they're clearly not. Which is why we inch ever rightward towards Austerity, Social Darwinism, and social imbalance.

    The Democrats accept and promote debunked Austerity economics. They will still talk about the "need" for entitlement cuts, when, if anything, we should be expanding all entitlement programs as an economic stimulus since the so-called free markets are not and will never voluntarily create jobs and raise wages.

    Our leaders do not simply step up and call out the Republicans a-holes like Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz for being the , cruel, stupid Randian sociopaths that they actually are, aside from being just absolutely completely wrong on all the ramifications of their small minds/small government economic policies.

    Until we get leaders able to go large with their willingness to use moral persuasion, we are sunk.

     

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 05:34:38 AM PDT

    •  Perhaps it's because our party leaders (12+ / 0-)

      actually like austerity economics?

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 06:15:15 AM PDT

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      •  I completely agree (4+ / 0-)
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        jbob, ManhattanMan, forgore, corvo

        Whether they like it personally or not, the legislation that we get in this country is the legislation that has been bought and paid for by the large campaign contributers.

        Even in what could be described as the "liberal" healthcare reform, all Americans were directed to buy a private product since we were left without a public option.

        On a side note, the war against Obamacare is really leaving me scratching my head. It's being used to reduce hours, cut healthcare, reduce benefits in some cases , and divert money from employer provided healthcare towards profits. Why aren't Republicans applauding this legislation as the greatest thing that ever came down the pike?

        Yet, it does provide access to healthcare for millions of uncovered Americans, makes it affordable through subsidies, and eliminates the really pernicious evil of our current system by forbidding PEC exclusions and rescissions. It actually is a masterpiece of compromise since it does give everyone something to hate and admire at the same time.

        If Obamacare is repealed in a future election were Republicans triumph, I think it will be the deathknell of our system and the triumph of stupidity for well and good.

        “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 06:31:29 AM PDT

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        •  Well, (0+ / 0-)
          Why aren't Republicans applauding this legislation as the greatest thing that ever came down the pike?
          they would be if they'd been the ones proposing it.  But since they didn't, they're at liberty to criticize what's essentially a bailout of the health insurance industry as dangerously socialist . . .

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 08:51:11 AM PDT

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  •  It's worse, they'll accept a new round of cuts (2+ / 0-)
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    quill, forgore

    Everyone, even Cruz, knows that Obamacare isn't going to get defunded.  So do you really think that Boehner and McConnell are going to walk away from this with nothing?!  Of course not.  They know damn well that this fight isn't about Obamacare, it's about more budget cuts.

    They'll let a clean CR pass next week, but the big fight will be next month over the debt ceiling.  At the last minute they'll give the Dems what their asking for (Obamacare) and demand more budget cuts.  Now the Dems are in a box and have nothing to counter their offer with.  So the Dems will get blamed for a default because they won't help "relieve the debt burden on our children".  The Dems either get the blame for default, or they cave on more budget cuts.  What do you think they will do?

  •  Or they hope if they pretend... (0+ / 0-)

    it's not a big issue for them, then Boehner can't sell it as a big win and maybe the House GOP caucus vote against it because there is no ACA Defund.  

    If the Senate tried to raise the spending, the GOP House would stand firm against it united and would eventually win because shutting down government over just the spending issue would be blamed on Dems.  

    Boehner would crow about it being a big win, and it would help him bring his caucus together.  However with Dems pretending to be fine with the funding level, it will make the teabaggers think that they're getting nothing - that they're not sticking it to the Dems enough.  

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    by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 06:54:22 AM PDT

  •  I'm not... (3+ / 0-)
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    cazcee, HeyMikey, rmx2630

    surprised, but only so much can be done...we're still living with the aftermath of the 2010 elections, and will be for the rest of the decade.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 07:23:09 AM PDT

    •  I agree Jack and.................. (3+ / 0-)
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      JackND, Halandri, bewareofme

      implementing Obamacare is one of the "baby steps" it will take to overcome 2010.  If it is as successful as we on the left hope (and those on the right fear); Obamacare will further expose the right-wing lies and lack of concern for everyday Americans.

      The only way the sequester is going to be reversed is for Dems to control the House and maintain control of the Senate. That takes winning elections; not assembling circular firing-squads when we don’t get everything we want.

      An old and dying base, exposure of Teahadist insanity, increased numbers of minorities and Democratic programs with positive outcome spell long-term doom for the Rethugs. I am 65 with not-the-greatest health. I hold no illusions that I will live to see the GOTP effectively marginalized but I know it is coming.

      Patience Grasshopper.  

      The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

      by cazcee on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 07:46:19 AM PDT

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    •  We can stand up and fight for what's right! (1+ / 0-)
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      JamieG from Md

      I agree it's a long haul but you start by educating the public.  The best way to educate them is to stand up and fight for what is right.  Lay your case on the table and show the damage this sequester is doing to our future.  The worst that can happen is that you will have the bargaining chip the Dems are going to desperately need next month in order to avoid even further cuts.

  •  so the status quo (1+ / 0-)
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    forgore

    is a giant Republican vicctory,outfoxing Obama, who it would appear to me never thought about demanding that the sequester go away.

  •  Angela Merkel, Shinzo Abe, Paul Krugman, the Dems. (6+ / 0-)

    Krugman:

    which prominent economists are now making the best case for fiscal austerity? It’s a tough question to answer, because at this point it’s hard to find any prominent economists making that case...And as far as we can tell, it makes no difference. Have Paul Ryan, George Osborne, Olli Rehn, Wolfgang Schäuble changed their tune even a bit? No, they’re busy claiming one quarter of positive growth as vindication. For those who like to think that serious economic debates matter, it has been a humbling experience.
    Meanwhile in Germany, Angela Merkel has just won re-election:
    Vote for Merkel Seen as Victory for Austerity

    Ms. Merkel’s electoral success — the Christian Democrats and their allies, the Christian Social Union in Bavaria, together won 41.5 percent of the popular vote — will bring “more of the same,” predicted Mats Persson, director of Open Europe, a London-based research group. For countries now on economic life support, this would mean yet more painful “exercise,” which in Greece has slimmed job prospects so significantly that over 60 percent of youth are now unemployed.

    Whatever coalition government emerges in Berlin from what could be weeks of haggling, Mr. Persson said, “there may be a little change of rhetoric, but the substance will remain the same.”

    “There will be a continued focus on austerity,” he said.

    Ms. Merkel said as much herself during a final day of campaigning on Saturday. “We have to continue on this course,” she told a rally in Berlin, denouncing the European policies of her main rival, Peer Steinbrück, who had called for a presumably mostly German-financed Marshall Plan to relieve what he called “a deadly dose of austerity.”

    And in Japan, Shinzo Abe's Keynesian "Abenomics" has been a rousing success! Just as Krugman et al. have been calling for! But Abe is considering pushing through a premature tax increase, contrary to Krugman's advice:
    So far, Abenomics has been going really, really well. By signaling that the Bank of Japan has changed, that it won’t snatch away the sake bottle just as the party gets going, that it’s going to target sustained positive inflation — and also by signaling that some fiscal stimulus is forthcoming despite high levels of debt — Japanese authorities have achieved a remarkable turnaround in short-term economic performance.

    But will this short-run success end up being self-defeating? This really worries me:

    Japan’s economy expanded at a significantly faster rate in the second quarter than initially reported, increasing the chances that Shinzo Abe, prime minister, will press ahead with a contentious sales tax increase – albeit one that would be offset by more government spending.
    Look, maybe Japan can sustain growth in the face of this tax increase. But maybe not. Why not wait until growth is firmly established, and in particular until expected deflation has been solidly replaced with expected inflation?

    Delaying the sales tax increase is, I would argue, the prudent thing to do even in purely fiscal terms. One of the serious consequences of Japanese deflation combined with the zero lower bound has been that Japanese real interest rates have until recently been significantly higher than those in other advanced countries — a matter of considerable concern when you have a very large inherited debt. Getting those real rates down (and, to a lesser extent, eroding the real value of existing debt) matters a lot to the long-run fiscal picture; it’s just foolish to endanger progress on that front in the name of fiscal responsibility.

    As usual, the American debate is on theoretical terms, stifled by the Not Invented Here syndrome. Both parties remain unwilling to look around the world, see what's working and what isn't, and fucking learn from other countries' experiences. The Dems should be saying that austerity has been a disaster for Europe, Ireland, the UK, and (for most of the last 20 years) Japan; and that Japan's recent Keynesian-driven turnaround is what we need to emulate.

    But instead both parties assume the rest of the world does not exist.

    Idiots.

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 07:30:53 AM PDT

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