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I live in a very red district in Georgia and as such, I've more or less become resigned to the fact that my representative is going to hold a radically different viewpoint than my own. But watching this shutdown, I can't just wait for the next election and vote for a democrat again knowing that my vote will be effectively meaningless in this ridiculously gerrymandered republican district.  As such, I've sent the following to my Representative (Tom Price of Georgia's sixth congressional district) informing him that unless he votes on a clean resolution to end this shutdown, I will donate both my time and money to ANY candidate, democrat or republican who will run against him for as many elections as it takes to remove him from office.

I may not expect my representative to agree with my views, but I do expect him (or her) to at least do their job. And that job doesn't include shutting down the government they were elected to serve.

Mr. Representative,

Because I want to make sure that out of this letter you get this very important point I will put it first; if you have not voted to end the shutdown of the government through a clean resolution by the end of this week, I will not only donate my money but my time as well towards any candidate whether democrat or republican who will run against you for as many elections as it takes to remove you from your office.

As a gay, atheist, democrat living in your heavily red and gerrymandered district, I have resigned myself that any representative of mine will likely disagree with me on fundamental issues. But I do at least expect that you will do your job as an elected official in the running of our government and that includes not intentionally shutting it down.  Instead, you have done something that not even Osama bin Laden and al-Queda has been able to do... you have shut down our government regardless of the harm it does to millions of Americans over your misplaced ideology and as far as I can tell that makes you and those others in the House who vote with you terrorists or at least no better than them.

When you as my representative voice a belief I disagree with, I can at least console myself with the fact that it is simply another part of the dialogue that makes our participatory democracy great.  That through the back and forth exchange of ideas, we come out with something better. But by ending the dialogue through ultimatums and destructive scare tactics, you personally destroy the fabric of our society and that is something I cannot abide in silence.  End this shutdown.

Adam Schmidt
Marietta, GA

Originally posted to AdamSchmidt on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:16 AM PDT.

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  •  would you really volunteer for a republican? (5+ / 0-)

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:42:56 AM PDT

    •  Tell me I have a better choice (30+ / 0-)

      The last time a Democrat held this district was 1979... the Republican that won it was Newt Gingrich.  In the 2012 election, Tom Price won the general election with 64.51% of the vote, beating out his opponent by almost 30 points.

      I'd certainly volunteer for and donate my time and money to the democrat contender in the general but I'll donate to any candidate that will unseat Tom Price in the primary. If he won't do his job and I can't get him replaced with a democrat who better represents my views, the only option left to me is to support any candidate no matter what their party that will remove him from office.

      •  I'm inclined to do the same here. (15+ / 0-)

        My "Representative" is Cynthia Lummis (R-Teabagistan) and I will gladly support anyone who is more sane than she.

        Also I have to put up with Liz Cheney running for Senate, which means I may have to support Mike Enzi as he is at least more sane than Lizzie (which unfortunately isn't saying much).

        •  have fun at republican HQ (4+ / 0-)

          "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

          by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 09:21:41 AM PDT

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          •  I always voted for the republican.... (3+ / 0-)
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            the democrat has the best chance to beat.

            You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

            by murrayewv on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:19:03 PM PDT

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            •  they're not talking about voting in an R primary (3+ / 0-)
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              If that were all, fine.

              They're talking about building the republican party. They just don't understand that's what they're offering to do.

              I think if they'd ever worked on a campaign, they might get it.

              "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

              by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:38:32 PM PDT

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              •  I'd love to *rebuild* the republican party (12+ / 0-)

                I'd love to see the republican party that gave us Herbert Hoover saying "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage". How's that for populist?  I'd love to see the republican party that gave us Eisenhower (ended McCarthyism, expanded Social Security, and started the national highway system among other things).  I won't say they or their party was perfect, but then I don't think I could say that about the democratic party either in all honesty.

                But for the country to have an effective dialogue where we discuss two or more views on an issue without immediately referring to the other side as the enemy or calling them a traitor, we either need to see the republican party rebuilt or dismantled completely with a new progressive party being created on the left.  That dialogue though is essential to a functioning democracy and it has to be one where at the end of the day, we're all still real Americans despite our differences.

                And being honest with myself, conservatism isn't all bad and it isn't even always wrong.  Fiscal conservatism can be a good thing as long as it doesn't go so far down the path that it ends up in austerity. Deregulation is needed especially when those regulations thoughtlessly inhibit growth (look at software patents for a great example of an area in need of deregulation).  Social policies that are being abused need reform so they can do the job they were intended to do effectively.  And yes, not every social problem can be fixed by throwing money at it.

                I don't think I'd ever be "at home" as a conservative... I'm too much of a progressive at heart. I just don't think that conservatism is another word for evil either.  If we got a republican party that more closely resembles the conservative parties of Europe we'd end up with a democratic party that was able to be a real progressive party... and I don't think many people here would find that a bad thing.

                But I've digressed considerably from my original statement... and that is simply that I'd love to give "safe" republicans more to fear in being primaried from the left than they currently have to fear in being primaried by the tea party right.

                •  With the Cold War over... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...I doubt there's much chance of our ruling class uniting in a "moderate center" consensus on policy and budget priorities like the post-WWII Republicans and Democrats were able to maintain.

                  That's been plenty OK with me for a couple- or three decades, now, but I admit that I'm having second thoughts these days.

                  •  Both Clinton and Obama, both in philosophy (3+ / 0-)
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                    and leadership tendencies are way to the extreme right of anything Eisenhower did. In fact, they are more along the lines of Barry Goldwater who, at one point, expressed deep concern for the religious zealot influence on the party at the time and had no trouble with gays serving in the military.

                    Additionally Eisenhower approached leadership from an entirely different perspective that is almost out of reach today: part of his preparation for the office of President was having to see the direct results of sending men into primitive combat situations and watching the coffins leave London bound for the United States - tens of thousands of them. He also got to experience first-hand the effects of managing operations involving vast amounts of materials as well as scheduling, replenishment of vital supplies and delegating authority to people best qualified to handle mission-critical tasks. With that kind of practical experience, nobody who has since held the office of President (or aspired to hold it) would, as my departed father used to say, make a respectable pimple on Eisenhower's ass.

                    •  Yes & no. (2+ / 0-)
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                      I do think that both Clinton and Obama would have been comfortable in Eisenhower's Republican Party.  Neither is "extreme right" of that, and I really don't think either of 'em have much in common with Barry Goldwater.  But then, neither does your average Tea Partier.  They're more in the mold of George Wallace.

                      •  Clinton willingly bought into Reaganomics (3+ / 0-)
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                        and the cult of Anh Rand by signing the commodities and futures modernization act into law; something Eisenhower would have never stood for, given his clearly documented suspicions about Industry's tendancy to dominate military supply manufacturing at the expense of domestic spending.

                        And after the outcome of the Korean War, it's incomprehensible that Eisenhower would have perpetuated an unfunded, undeclared war as Obama has.

                        Right-wing behavior always exposes right-wing philosophy. Situational morality notwithstanding, I respectfully disagree.

                        •  There are two Presidents I truly admire... (3+ / 0-)
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                          Calamity Jean, slothlax, blueoasis

                          Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt.  There are a few more that come close but those two top my list. They were both Republicans and yet neither one would be welcome in today's Republican party.  Frankly, they'd both probably be considered too progressive for today's Democratic party. I don't claim either one was perfect but they were damn impressive.

                  •  the republican MO, (3+ / 0-)

                    for the last 25 years or so, has traditionally been about creating enemies rather than building coalitions.

                    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

                    by alguien on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 05:22:41 PM PDT

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                •  Rebuilding Hoovervilles? (2+ / 0-)
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                  I'd love to see the republican party that gave us Herbert Hoover saying "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage".
                  True.  But then, as now, the end result of their policies is "Two families in every garage."
        •  Help! I fell overboard, I'm surrounded by (1+ / 0-)
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          sharks and I'm drowning!

          Forget the life preserver and toss me that bar bell over there...

          •  exactly (2+ / 0-)
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            Anakai, mahakali overdrive

            I can't believe kossacks are rec'ing this and not HRing it.

            And it was rescued. That just adds insult to injury.

            "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

            by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:55:00 PM PDT

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          •  I'll take the snark... (2+ / 0-)
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            Just so you understand, I've never voted Republican in my life. I find both the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud absolutely mystifying and often disgusting. I think the tea party as it stands is the single most destructive force in American politics.  I can't go onto republican blogs for too long without feeling ill at the blatant racism and hatred that I see expressed there.  

            All that being said... I can do one of the following:

            1 - Move. Believe me I've considered it many times but that's just giving up and letting them win.

            2 - Work for democrats in other districts and states who have a chance of winning. If that's all I'm doing, why not just go ahead and move?

            3 - Work for and donate to democrats in my district (if any bother to run) and watch them lose by 40 points because the people here are so used to voting for whoever has the "R" by their name.  And no, I'm not kidding about that 40 point spread, that's about the usual.

            4 - Find a way to get "better" republicans.  Even if its only a republican who at least knows that if they go too far like say shutting down the government they were elected to serve in, that they'll soon find their ass on the way out the door.

            5 - Give up and hide my head in the sand waiting for things to get better on the national level and someday dragging this conservative enclave along with it.

            I've tried going with route 3 for 25 years and it hasn't worked.  That's why I'm looking at #4 and going for better republicans if I can't get a democrat elected here.  I just don't know if you can really understand what it's like here... this is the county (Cobb) that led the U.S. in putting stickers on their science textbooks explaining that the contents were just theory and not fact.  Georgia has been neck and neck with Texas in "revising" their history textbooks.

            Even if by some miracle a democrat was elected here, they wouldn't look anything like what you think a democrat would look like. They'd likely be in favor of prayer in schools (I'm unfortunately serious here).

            •  Understand? You bet I understand.... (4+ / 0-)

              Being a "victim"- of sorts -  of a family whose father was engaged in the defense industry and his career path having produced multiple relocations, my teenage years were spent in southern Virginia in the middle and late 60s where the Klan was still occasionally lynching black men for even looking at white women, and the local cops just turned their heads. Although I'm not black I know exactly what kind of environment you're dealing with.

              I opted for your #1. Had I spent any longer in that place, I would have died both mentally and physically. Once I left behind the magnolias, greasy barbecue, deep-fried lard-sickles and phony religious zealots, I flourished. My creativity blossomed... I took my studies seriously again because I could concentrate on them in an environment that wasn't tainted with cronyism, religious hypocrisy and being force-fed "values" that had no value to me.

              Taking your talents and skills elsewhere to a place where you can once again grow the courage of your convictions, use critical thinking without being threatened with fundie BS and better yourself does far more damage to those people than trying to swim in their cesspool. When you remove just one source of economic support (the local taxes you pay) and one more talent or skill that they can no longer exploit (your job), you've done about as much to them as any one person can do--- short of hitting Powerball and buying yourself an election like the rest of them.

              Good luck to you, friend. You are in an unenviable position. My best wishes to you and your loved ones - and may you resolve this dilemma to your satisfaction and future well-being.

              •  Well said! (2+ / 0-)
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                I too live in a deeply red enclave, MO-7. They call us the buckle of the bible belt. I know exactly how it feels to wonder at times if there is something wrong with me because of the way I think, or choose to live my life, is so much more different than people around me think or live their lives.

                I've been here now going on ten years and almost everyday is a struggle. I started my career and my family here. Almost everyday at look a job boards in other places daydreaming of one day moving there. Even though I really love my job, I would take a comparable position elsewhere just to get away from here.

                I make the most of it. I've found a small group of like minded people who help keep each other sane. We focus our efforts on local elected positions where sometimes our numbers may be enough to vote in one sane person to the city council, school board, or a state representative.

                Yeah, voting out our House Representative is virtually impossible, but we take our little victories where we can get them.

              •  Run away! (0+ / 1-)
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                That's the answer. Just like the middle class white people who decry urban schools as they run away to the suburbs. You are all a bunch of cowards who took the easy way out, but at the root of it you are the problem. The diarist is completely right, stand and fight is the only way to win.

                There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                by slothlax on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 09:33:35 PM PDT

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                •  How well did "Rope A Dope" work... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...for Mohammed Ali? Not so much. All he has left now is the admiration of his fans - that's it. It's tragic, it's sad... But it was also his choice. The same can be said for Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, etc.
                  Everyone has free agency to live wherever they want using their own best judgement. That applies to you as well... But rather than poison my mind and those of my kids, I chose to opt out of perpetuating "stupid" by living somewhere that is physically and spiritually dangerous for me, my wife and the rest of my family. If that makes me a "coward", "taking the easy way out" and the root part of your problem, then I'm very happy that I'm here where I'm at and you are wherever you are.

                  •  If you aren't willing to stand and fight (0+ / 0-)

                    then you have absolutely no reason to complain about why districts continue to elect people like Alan West, Michelle Bachmann, Rand Paul, and so on.

                    •  I don't complain about them - I mock them. (0+ / 0-)

                      And I do everything within my lawful civic duty to ensure two things:

                      1. That right wing trash with intellectual syphilis never gets elected to any position of authority in my locality;

                      2. Do my part - in forums such as this and in other ways and places - to help usher in the day when regressive politicians, their fixers and tortured logic become irrelevant to the future of this country.

                      I don't pretend to imagine that I can affect or effect the thought processes in other places like Minnesota or South Carolina that causes people to elect people to positions of authority who are criminally insane. I am, however, free to express my views on them, as are you.

                  •  I live in the "ghetto" (0+ / 0-)

                    That's what people from the suburbs say when they come to my house. I live here because I know, even though I'm in the minority, I make a difference by living here

                    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                    by slothlax on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 11:58:17 PM PDT

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      •  i'm coming over to check your cellar for pods (0+ / 0-)

        Didn't you write a diary a few years back about electing more and better democrats? That's very different from electing the same number of, but less worse, republicans.

        "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

        by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:09:44 AM PDT

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        •  Not mutually exclusive (17+ / 0-)

          In a hopelessly red district, support the most moderate Republican in the primary and the Democrat in the general.

          Disclaimer: If the above comment can possibly be construed as snark, it probably is.

          by grubber on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:26:55 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah I did and I still mean it (13+ / 0-)

          But how else can I make a difference?  Seriously. I mean it. The district I live in gave us all Newt frick'n Gingrich. Now it's given us Tom Price who makes Newt look like a flaming liberal by comparison.

          I look forward to electing another democrat for president in 2016 and it's possible that Georgia might even go blue in that election (we might even elect a democrat as Senator in 2014) but the chances of this district electing a democrat to the house is minuscule.  So if I can't get a democrat elected to the House from my district no matter how hard I try, then at least I have to do what I can to make sure that whatever republican is elected from this district at least does their job.  And knows that if they refuse to do their job, then they'll be replaced in their primary election.

          But I am dead serious... if you have another suggestion I'll be thrilled to hear it.  Please tell me how I can make a difference in a district where Tom Price (R-Nutjob) won his seat with 189,000 votes to his opponent's 104,000.

          •  you want to make a difference? (1+ / 0-)
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            Then you don't brag about how you're going to work for the enemy.

            You toughen up. You be an example. You build your party, so when you have a candidate, you're ready. You sure as hell don't do what you're boasting about doing.

            "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

            by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:57:27 AM PDT

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            •  You're definitely missing my point. (20+ / 0-)

              It's not that I'm going rah rah for a republican. It is that I'm letting my representative know that if they insist on this shutdown that whether or not I can help to get them replaced with a democrat, I'll damn sure do my best to make sure they don't even make it through the primary.  That I'll make an effort just to get them voted out of office for abandoning their duty to their constituents.

              On a side note, they aren't the enemy. They're Americans just like you are, just like I am.  And we're better Americans when we have a dialogue among people with differing opinions and thoughts so that we can come to real compromise for the betterment of all.  For that to happen, we need the republican party to regain their sanity.  That or we need to be prepared to build from scratch a new progressive party to go up against the democrats when the republicans devolve into a minority regional party.  Either way, the dialogue is important and it needs to be one where we see each other as fellow citizens... not the enemy.

              •  so how is this going to play out? (0+ / 0-)
                It's not that I'm going rah rah for a republican.
                when you're at your republican candidate's HQ, you're going to unenthusiastically volunteer? maybe you'll go meh meh?

                and about this:

                On a side note, they aren't the enemy. They're Americans just like you are, just like I am.  And we're better Americans when we have a dialogue among people with differing opinions and thoughts so that we can come to real compromise for the betterment of all.
                which "they" are we talking about? some of "them" are people I enjoy talking to, and count as friends. for real. some of "them" are sociopaths and malignant narcissists who are hell bent on destroying us.

                "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

                by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:21:42 AM PDT

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          •  Help drive that split in the Rethug Party (2+ / 0-)
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            I get it, the criticism that working in a campaign is actually, tangibly, helping "build" the Republican Party in your district.  But, in a primary election context, in a Teahadist's district, finding Rockefeller Republicans join with to contest the Tea Party Christianists that seem to have a grip on the Party now is a good way to help your local Republicans along the road to a debilitating split.  And, that's always good for America.

        •  Not different at all (0+ / 0-)

          In fact its the exact same thing, moving the needle to the left. If you don't understand that you need to bone up a little bit more on politics.

          There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

          by slothlax on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 09:42:51 PM PDT

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      •  You can help Democrats anywhere (3+ / 0-)
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        You won't take Price out, but there are going to be races (mostly out of state) where the Republican is vulnerable.  The Democrats in that race can use your money and even your time.

        The best way to get at Price is to put him into the minority.  I get that in places like yours, people register Republican to just have a say.  But right now, if the alternative votes for a GOP speaker, he or she will be no better.

        Quote of the week: "They call themselves bipartisan because they're able to buy members of both parties," (R. Eskow, Campaign for America's Future.)

        by mbayrob on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:25:11 PM PDT

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      •  I can tell you're from the south (5+ / 0-)

        ..... you used Democrat rather than the adjective, Democratic. :-/

        This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for a long time to come. -- Andrew Sullivan, 1 October 2013

        by billlaurelMD on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:50:56 PM PDT

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        •  ayup... ;-) (5+ / 0-)

          Born in Los Angeles to republican Catholics, grew up in Knoxville, lived in Atlanta for the last 25 years.  And here I am a gay, atheist, democrat.  And I'm so used to hearing "democrat" I have a hard time any more with the correct usage of democrat vs. democratic.  All I can ask is that even if I don't get the words right every time, please try to understand the heart from which they come.

      •  When you say "any" (0+ / 0-)

        I hope you mean someone like an actual, non-insane conservative, not another even-more-batshit teabagger? Because otherwise, it just sounds like a personal vendetta rather than an attempt to push things in the right direction.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:39:36 PM PDT

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        •  Living in red, red, red South Carolina (7+ / 0-)

          with Joe "You Lie!" Wilson as my rep, I understand where AdamSchmidt is coming from.  People in blue or even purple districts don't get the frustration and despair.....but one of the ways we can undermine the teabaggers is to work for more sane republicans where necessary.  In some of these districts a democrat doesn't even run!  It's a waste of time and money and they know it.  

          So, people may give him shit for it, but if he can help remove the nutbar teabagger from the definitely-gonna-be-republican district, then more power to him.  We have to get those extremists out of our government.  

          Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

          by PsychoSavannah on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:55:23 PM PDT

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          •  i bet markos LOVES the idea (0+ / 0-)

            "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

            by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:01:46 PM PDT

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            •  Do I give a flying fuck what Markos (6+ / 0-)

              thinks?  This is not something that needs to happen all over the country and it will not work in every single district.  But the idea should not automatically be discarded and ridiculed.

              I will never, ever, in a million lifetimes get a truly left-leaning democrat in my district.  That's America.  And we all do what we can to make where we live the best we can.  Adam's district, and the country, WILL benefit from a non-teabagging, less radical republican in it since it's going to have a republican representing it....that is fait accompli.

              Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

              by PsychoSavannah on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:11:21 PM PDT

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          •  I absolutely understand (1+ / 0-)
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            I am talking about what we call here locally a "Jack Latvala Republican," referring to a state senator who pushed back against many of Gov. Scott's most egregious initiatives. I just made that comment because the commenter seemed to be saying he'd support any opponent in the R primary, when often in deep red districts the insurgent candidate is to the right of the incumbent.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:16 AM PDT

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      •  I am supporting a Republican in a State Senate (3+ / 0-)
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        race.  I have a choice between two wing-nuts, based on what they have said.  One is part of a Christian Identity group, which he refuses to talk about, and is being funded by his church.  The other is a normal wing-nut.  I'm supporting the normal wing nut.  All indications this Christian Identity church is trying to get as many of their folks into office as they can.  I won't stand idly by when an anti-Semitic, anti-women,  etc, group tries to sneak their way into power.

    •  "Politics is the art of the possible." (4+ / 0-)
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      Lujane, tacet, AdamSchmidt, slothlax

      At least, that's a widely held belief among political pragmatists.  If you live in an 'R+30' House district, and you see that the House is the most contested battleground for national Democratic objectives, even I, a street-fightin' Socialist type, can see working to take down an intractable enemy in favor of a more "squishy," persuadable opponent.

      I grew up and cut my political teeth in such a place, and know how tilting at windmills in all Party purity, watching even the middle of the political debate recede from ya, eventually can eat your soul.  It's necessary to feel effective once in a while.

      Think of it as a "Popular Front" strategy. Temporary, strategic.

  •  Would your new Rethug be any better than the old? (4+ / 0-)

    Somehow, I doubt it.  So, what's the point?

    Change for change's sake is crap.

    Republicans are crap.  Throw your time and money at getting the bums out indirectly...  state/local offices and so on.

    •  exactly (3+ / 0-)

      If there's a democratic candidate for any office, no matter how local, no matter how small, no matter how minute their chances for winning, working for them would be the answer.

      Building your own party is the answer, even if it means losing a few (or many) elections.

      "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

      by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:22:47 AM PDT

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      •  Besides, if you want a moderate conservative (0+ / 0-)

        the Democratic party is unfortunately chock-full of them. Especially in the South.  Anyone still in the Republican party is to the right of that.

        The more people have guns, the more people use guns. The more people use guns, the more people die.

        by nominalize on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 12:27:15 AM PDT

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        •  The elected officials at the federal level... (0+ / 0-)

          sure, I'd pretty much agree with you across the board although there may be one or two remaining. There are a good number of them that are no longer in power that are trying to change things... Mike Schmidt (no relation) for example.  But as for the rank and file, there's a lot of them that don't understand what happened to "their" party. I know a lot of republicans here in Georgia (it's Georgia, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a republican) who think their party has gone overboard and don't know how to fix it but aren't willing to jump ship and go democratic.

    •  If they at least know... (6+ / 0-)

      not to shut down the government over ideology, then yes. If they at the very least understand that holding the entire country and its economy hostage over their political views will get them removed from office then it is a step in the right direction.

      I long for the day that Georgia throws its electoral votes back into the D column (and actually hope to see that soon) but in the meantime I'll gladly take any Republican for my representative if they at least understand that shutting down the government is a bad thing to be avoided, not something they should be looking forward to.

      •  and georgia turns blue this way? (0+ / 0-)

        When candy ass dems abandon their party and team up with republicans?

        "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

        by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 09:01:56 AM PDT

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        •  I'm still waiting... (13+ / 0-)

          I really meant it when I asked for a better solution.

          Try harder? I've been trying for the 25 years I've lived in this state as an adult.

          Every election I donate more to democrats than in the election previous. Even when it hurts. Even when I really can't afford to.

          I talk with my friends and coworkers, trying to gently bring them around to a less exclusionary view of what it means to be American. (my family doesn't live in this state and has pretty much disowned me for being gay)

          I do my best to live every day as the best person I can be... for myself and so that my neighbors see that I don't have to be Christian to be moral.  This despite the fact that not even 10 years ago my neighbors wrote into the state constitution an amendment to protect themselves from my sinful lifestyle in a 3 to 1 majority.

          I donate to worthwhile causes literally daily. And I mean daily. As in every day.

          So don't tell me I'm "candy ass".  Tell me how in this exceptionally red district, the district that gave America Newt Gingrich (the author of the last government shutdown), that I can make a difference when there isn't a hope in hell of getting a democrat elected.  The only options I have left are to work to get better republicans elected (ones that won't shut down the government) in a long game of trying to change the discussion, or to move which really would be giving up.

          So yes, I'll support a "better republican" if I must and continue to support democrats whenever I can.  Because until the national discussion moves enough to pull districts like mine out of the rut their in, there's only so much that can be done locally.

          •  i cannot wrap my head around your way of thinking (3+ / 0-)

            in 2014, when you're at republican headquarters, actively working to defeat a democrat and elect a republican, do you sincerely think you're going to be able to live with yourself?

            maybe for now the national races are unwinnable, but lower on the ticket are state races whose democratic candidates you will be working against. those are state reps and senators who could someday serve in DC after they serve in Georgia. why would you campaign against them?

            there must be a candidate somewhere in Georgia who is a democrat you can support. right now there are municipal elections coming up, right? surely there is a democratic candidate in your city or town who could use another volunteer.

            my state rep is a republican, so I don't volunteer for him. he has been running unopposed.

            I work like a dog for another state rep in my city. the democratic town committee is now aggressively trying to recruit someone to run against my rep in 2014. thank god.

            everyone knows I can't wait to work on the campaign- I don't care if we win or lose. we may have to run a few times and lose in order to win someday. so be it.

            i'm now volunteering for the dems in my city's municipal election. they're going to win anyway. do they need me? not really. what i'm doing is learning and contributing and in 2014 I will be more useful and helpful than I otherwise would have been if I had sat out in 2013.

            even if there's no one in your city or town, there must be someone, somewhere in Georgia you could volunteer for. so you may not win in 2014. so what? I don't know about you, but I'd rather lose on the right side than win on the wrong side. and the work you do in 2014 will give your fellow dems a base for 2016.

            if you help the other side, the work you do now helps them long after you're gone. why invest in the republican party? why give them your talent? why give them your time? your money?

            "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

            by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:00:27 AM PDT

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            •  I think I'm not getting something across... (7+ / 0-)

              When I say I will support a republican, or a "better republican", I mean that in the primary election I will work to get someone other than Tom Price selected as the Republican nominee.

              I never said I wouldn't support a democrat in the general election. Please, I'm not crazy.

              But isn't the point of what we're working for to get better people elected to office? And isn't someone who at least believes that government is a good thing rather than something to be shut down to make a political statement better than the guy I have now?

              Heck, even if the alternate republican is another Tea Party idiot, at least they might learn that if you shut down the government you get booted out of office and won't repeat the same stupidity.

              What you have to understand is that Georgia is phenomenally gerrymandered.  Races here generally aren't competitive except in the primaries. The 4th district hasn't elected a republican since 1993 and was home to Cynthia McKinney.  And for the 5th district there hasn't been a republican since 1970 and their idea of a close race is one where a republican candidate gets within 40 points of the democrat.  

              As for my own district (the 6th), there wasn't even a democrat candidate in two of the last five elections and the best performance by a democrat candidate in any of the other three elections was 35% of the vote.  Yeah, I'll be donating my time and money in the general to try to help the next democrat to do better, but I don't see a choice other than to try to help any other republican unseat Tom Price in the primary and if I'm lucky, maybe it'll even be a better republican.

              •  ok- i think i'm getting you better (1+ / 0-)
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                but rather than help a dem in the primary, you're going to be helping a republican?

                I see good volunteers as being worth their weight in gold. I cannot fathom helping a republican. I just can't. how is any good going to come out of it?

                so best case scenario, you send a slightly less awful republican to dc. really? you'll give time and money to that cause?

                the work and fundraising you do doesn't help just one candidate- it helps the whole party. you may think you're helping an isolated republican candidate, but you're not.

                this whole "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" approach makes no sense.

                "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

                by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:08:50 AM PDT

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                •  I guess what I'm after... (5+ / 0-)
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                  The Tea Party has broken the republican party by eliminating moderate voices within the party or RINOs as they like to call them. If a republican isn't sufficiently extreme, he faces being primaried by his own party trying to replace him with someone more extreme.  And within those congressional districts where republicans face no real opposition from a democrat contender, there hasn't been a way for democrats to stop the process so we have watched republicans get more and more extreme with each passing year.

                  What if democrats in solidly republican districts try to change that dynamic?  What if democrats in those districts throw their weight behind a moderate republican instead thus helping the republicans rediscover their moderate wing?  We may not be able to win the general elections in those districts the way the maps are currently drawn, but we might be able to change the primaries.  And even if we can't get a more moderate candidate in the republican primary, we can at least give real opposition to republicans who go too far (like shutting down the government to score political points) by giving them a reason to fear the extreme edge of their party again.

                •  You clearly don't know what it's (1+ / 0-)
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                  like in a red state...sometimes there isn't even one Dem running, let alone enough for a primary. Generally speaking, the party knows enough to clear the field if they have a half-way credible candidate, because their chances are slim enough without wasting money and energy on a primary fight.

                  "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

                  by Alice in Florida on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:07:34 PM PDT

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                  •  so nowhere on the entire ballot? (0+ / 0-)

                    There is not one office in the village, town, county, city, district for which a dem might be running, in any year?

                    Well then by all means, cede control of every office at every level of government, to the republicans. No sense in trying.

                    Now seems like a particularly wonderful time to throw in the towel, what with Obamacare launching and all.

                    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

                    by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:35:33 PM PDT

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          •  I am sending this into Top Comments (5+ / 0-)

            tonight. It is a thought-provoking comment that I think needs a wider audience. Please join us tonight at 10pm using the link in my sig.

            I must end each day with a dose of Top Comments. A TC diary is a must for developing the calmness I need to get the required eight hours of sleep. - cohenzee

            by cohenzee on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:51:57 AM PDT

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          •  I get it... (4+ / 0-)

            gotta get them back to the center before you can drag them left, and right now you're in one of those lovely far far right bubbles that doesn't seem to be bursting any time soon.

            And in response to your morality issue:

            One of the greatest tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is really very simply and doesn't require religion at all - Arthur C. Clarke

            It is every person's obligation to put back into the world at least the equivalent of what they takes out of it. - Albert Einstein (edited for modern times to include everyone by me!)

            by LeftieIndie on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:01:15 PM PDT

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          •  Nelson Mandela spent 27 yrs in prison (3+ / 0-)

            without giving up his ideals--
            He had a pretty tough row to hoe and prevailed in the end--- Good luck with your new party, you'll need it.

            My good habits are suicidal and my bad habits bully them.

            by tharu1 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:18:25 PM PDT

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          •  The better solution (0+ / 0-)

            I've seen this already mentioned, but I don't think you've acknowledged it, is to work for democrats elsewhere. It's not really a very creative solution, people have been doing that for years. This includes democrats in solid blue districts, where the incumbent needs no help.

  •  Would your new Rethug be any better than the old? (2+ / 0-)
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    Somehow, I doubt it.  So, what's the point?

    Change for change's sake is crap.

    Republicans are crap.  Throw your time and money at getting the bums out indirectly...  state/local offices and so on.

  •  Thank you. I can relate, living in a deep red (8+ / 0-)

    district. When my Congressman's staff helped me get my VA benefits, they assured me that Paul Cook was no tea partier. So yesterday he posted, on Facebook, that he voted to open the Natl Park but the measure failed on partisan vote. Like partisanship is something the Democrats invented.

    I was amazed at the overwhelming calls for him to vote for a clean CR. Apparently even the Rs out here are tired of the current tea party influence in DC.

    In the past, as a Democrat, I have always felt excluded from local politics, even more so now that the state has gone to open primaries. But your letter has given someone like me the feeling that I still do have some power. Even if it is only the power to work to kick a tea partier out of office by supporting a more moderate Republican. Or at least threatening to do so.

    Great idea. I may just have to steal it.

  •  Everyone has to make their own choices; (11+ / 0-)

    the diarist is dealing with the political reality in his area.  Bill Clinton signed DOMA & DADT, but he gave us Ruth Bader Ginsburg.  I'll take as much Democrat as I can; even 10% is better than 0%.

    The Democrats care about you after you're born. --Ed Schultz

    by micsimov on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:18:53 PM PDT

  •  Atta boy Adam (2+ / 0-)
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    That guy will have to at least think about what you said.  He may wad it up and throw it away, but you made sense.  I think it is fair to say we are sorry you are surrounded by a bunch of rich old white farts.  Good luck.

  •  this gets spotlighted? (0+ / 0-)

    Unbelievable. I thought this is Daily Kos.

    Kind of confirms what I've suspected about Kossacks. Very few are actually working on campaigns. If they were, this diary would have been HR'd into oblivion.

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:47:37 PM PDT

    •  There's actually some logic to this. (4+ / 0-)

      If you live in a red district that's going to be republican regardless, then you work for the lesser of two evils.  My parents are lifelong democrats who live in rural and very red Missouri, and they often vote republican in primaries against particularly bad candidates.  

      Howard Dean will always be my president.

      by 4democracy on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:48:47 PM PDT

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      •  do your parents... (0+ / 0-)

        Also donate to and volunteer for republicans? Do they help build the republican party?

        Voting in a republican primary is one thing. Donating to and campaigning is another.

        "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

        by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:35:47 PM PDT

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        •  No not in general. But there is still logic here: (2+ / 0-)
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          Locally, volunteering for and donating to help a 35% progressive candidate (albeit republican), with a 100% chance of winning an election, beat a 0% progressive candidate - that beats donating to and volunteering for a democrat with 0% chance of winning.

          Yes, you could tell the person to volunteer for and give money to dems in other districts with a chance of winning, but there is a little presumption in that line of thinking regarding how and where people like to participate.

          I think this person is doing quite a bit to further the progressive cause, actually.

          Consider that Western US democratic Senators are  more conservative on many issues than some Republicans in New England and the West Coast.  It's not so simple as "democrat" or "republican".

          Howard Dean will always be my president.

          by 4democracy on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:11:47 PM PDT

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          •  Pipe dream. (0+ / 0-)

            Show me a Republican who is 35% progressive in the state of Georgia and I will show you someone who is railroaded out of the Republican party immediately.   To quote Rick Perry, "literally, at the speed of light."  The Tea Party won't stand for it.

  •  Been following this comment thread - and... (1+ / 0-)
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    at this point I now believe in string theory physics because in here, up is down, right is left, female is male, proving that there is such a thing as an alternative universe.

    Either that or there's something else in the pipe other than mother nature.

    This is the kind of thinking that got Bush elected twice.

  •  Gerrymandering (2+ / 0-)
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    I think that the OP is missing the point of Gerrymandering, as it applies to the House of Representatives.

    Originally, Gerrymandering referred to small districts (think Chicago's Daley Machine) that helped favored individuals keep their seats.

    However, gerrymandering in the nationwide Republican Style does not refer to packing as many Republicans as possible into a district to make it safe.  Almost the opposite, in fact.

    Remember that Democrats running for Congress actually got more Raw Votes than Republicans in 2012... yet the Republicans still won a majority of the seats.

    How?  By making all of the safe Democratic Seats even safer, by trying to pack all the blue voters together, while actually diluting the GOP seats (making them light pink instead of deep red).  There are places with 2 Democratic seats in congress each getting 95% of the democratic vote sit next door to to 3 GOP seats that pick up only 52% of the GOP vote.  So even though in the combined 5 districts, Democrats outnumber Republicans, the GOP has won 3 out of the 5 seats.

    THAT is the Gerrymander that they practice in GOP controlled states.

    The good news is that this can make those GOP reps with 52% of the vote more vulnerable. But it sucks nationwide.

  •  I live in a very red county so I devote my energy (5+ / 0-)

    and time to working on state campaigns for Democrats but I work only for Democrats. I support local Democrats as I continue to push through and build the party the best we can. As the local college grows each year and slowly, more Democrats and younger people move into the area. Each year, more of the older local Republicans became older...but the Democrats are younger.

    I know how frustrating it can be but I live in a state with closed primaries. So I cannot vote for a Republican in a primary anyway.  So I decided to devote my time to building and contributing to the local party despite our long string of defeats and keep working and never giving up. I have been doing this for nearly 40 yrs and I will never give up.

    But I find a Democrat statewide to support or some other candidate or campaign and go from there but I would never consider ever working for a Republican campaign in any fashion. But that is just me, to each his own and I wish you the very best success.

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    by wishingwell on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:10:11 PM PDT

  •  I get this (3+ / 0-)
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    I won't do it myself, but I get the feeling of helplessness that living in a red district means. Being represented by Steve Chabot was bad enough, but in 2010 I was Gerrymandered into the district from which Mean Jean Schmidt was pushed out of for not being "conservative" enough. The way Boner has this thing drawn, the Dems didn't even bother promoting a candidate in 2012. Obama won Cincinnati, but the two congressional districts that are contained in the city went Tea Party by large margins. Even when we had a Democratic representative, he was anti-choice and voted against all healthcare reform proposals until the last. So, at least in terms of representation in the House, Ohio 2 is hopeless for anyone to the left of Teddy Cruz.

  •  good for you. Everybody in the same situation (1+ / 0-)
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    like me,  (and you)should do likewise till these idiots get it!

  •  you all should get together (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe form a new Dk group for all the kossacks who want to vote for, donate to and volunteer for republicans.

    I honestly and sincerely had no idea there are so many of you.

    Can't wait to see what you call yourselves.

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:47:34 PM PDT

  •  In complete agreement (3+ / 0-)
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    I very much appreciate and concur with your position. I wish more people would think with the level of logic you do.

    People need to act politically in the way that best serves America.

    For you and many others in solidly red districts, putting all your efforts into a Democrat gives your voice the equivalent power of whispering at a Metallica concert.

    By putting yourself in a position of at least fighting for the most moderate Republican candidate, that has a chance of winning the primary, you affect change in the dialogue that takes place in Washington. Once the republican primary is complete, you can vote your conscience at the election.

    Gerrymandering has made the playing field uneven. While I do think it is admirable to stick to your idealogical beliefs, I think we all have to make choices that affect the best outcome possible. Otherwise we stay on the sidelines as cheerleaders of a team that has no chance of winning.

    If every extreme red district had an even slightly more moderate republican in the house right now, we would not be in the situation we find ourselves.

    If you are in a competitive district where there is a chance of a Democrat winning, then you should put your time, effort, and money towards choosing the strongest Democrat to win in the primary, and in the election.

    If you are in a solid red district, you may want to think about what is the best way to make your voice heard.

  •  I prefer to send short notes on postcards (1+ / 0-)
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    because that way, everyone who handles the postcard from the people at the post office to the people in the capitol mail room and representative's interns, have the opportunity to read it in transit.  Also, putting "asshole" in the name/address helps get the message across if the people handling it aren't taking the time to read the whole thing.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:57:04 PM PDT

  •  governing or winning? (6+ / 0-)

    I think the people who are outraged by the idea of working to elect a moderate Republican are too focused on winning and not focused enough on how we govern a democracy. We all want our ideas to win and work to persuade others of their rightness. But in some parts of the country, our ideas are so far out of the local Overton window that they will not have any effect on political decisions, at least not during this decade. That doesn't mean we can't work to persuade our neighbors to change their minds; it just means that that work will have NO EFFECT on the part of the government that represents us. The only way we can have an effect on our government is to make choices that move things a little bit in the direction we want them to move, without going so far that they move out of the realm of what our neighbors are willing to accept. Working to elect a more moderate Republican would be an example of this. When you have a real choice between a Republican representative who would vote to shut down our government, and one who wouldn't, I say take it. Some people here can understand why it's dumb for Democrats to vote for someone like Nader. The same principle applies here. Politics is the art of the possible, and in some parts of this country, nothing that we would like is possible.

    •  Yes! (2+ / 0-)
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      This is what I've been hoping progressives realize.

      Governance is more important than winning. In ridiculously gerrymandered districts where it is close to impossible for the other side to win - it becomes important to vote for the best option within the winning party.

      Here's my thinking - the major differences in the population that drive partisan voting patterns revolve around social issues.

      On economic issues, there is 90% congruence in the population - this would be as high as 99.5% as soon as the folks in the 90.1 - 99.5 percentile realize that the <0.5% at the top are using them for votes while undermining the interests of everyone outside the top <0.5%.

      Indeed, it makes more sense in some of the red states to vote for a moderate Republican who knows that their success depends on folks in the middle (independents, moderate Republicans & Democrats).

      In any case - this is what the folks at the top (i.e. the wealthiest <0.5%) do. In blue states, they seek out the most corporate friendly candidate to support

      By the way, this applies in blue districts and senate seats as well. Get the Lieberdem pro-corporate types out and put in pro-people legislators and officials

    •  Identity (0+ / 0-)

      "Getting less worse policies enacted be damned, I'm a democrat, I'll never associate with republicans, YELLER DAWG 4 EVA!!!!"

      Incidentally, this is what the greens think about democrats.

  •  Being from Brunswick, Georgia, I can appreciate (4+ / 0-)
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    exactly what you are proposing. We had a chance several elections back to keep Ralph "effing" Reed from becoming the Republican candidate for LG. I didn't work for his opponent but I certainly voted in the primary against him. I could NEVER vote for the R in the general, but I try to keep out the worst of them by voting in the primary. This is just a fact of life in Georgia, although I agree there is a good chance Dems can prevail in 2014 senate election. I will be working hard to GOTV.

  •  Nelson Mandela (3+ / 0-)
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    worked closely with the South African communist party, a party steeped in Leninism, internal terror, and blood. Were those his ideals? Or was that his pragmatic political genius?

  •  Stand up for your convictions. Do the right thing. (2+ / 0-)
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    You are more influential than you think.

    Be the change you wish to see.--Gandhi

    Whenever you vote R, you strengthen the EVIL party, period.
    Plus you weaken your own character. You're not a manipulator of politicians, they manipulate YOU.

  •  Cobb County (3+ / 0-)

    In the District 6 portion of Cobb County, Tom Price (R) got 64,470 votes to 27,394 votes for Jeff Kazenow (D) in the 2012 election, a 70% to 30% shellacking for Jeff.

    There were 321,754 registered voters in Cobb County in 2012, 38% of them in District 6.

    As of 2011, Cobb County had 515,491* residents over the age of 18, so there were 193,737 eligible but not registered people living there. (*that number is from Wikipedia, not the US Census web site, which is not open for business today.)

    If 38% of those unregistered potential voters are in District 6 then there are 73,620 unregistered voters in District 6. If 30% are potential Democratic votes, then a truly miraculous registration and get-out-the-vote drive for a Democratic candidate might produce an additional 22,083 Democratic votes against Tom Price.

    49,480 Democratic votes for Tom Price's challenger from the Democratic Party means Tom Price still wins Cobb County's chunk of District 6, by 65,000 to 50,000. Not quite the 70% to 30% shellacking administered to Jeff Kazenow, but still a respectable margin of victory, even a mandate, for any congressional seat in the country.

    This is the brick wall that many commenters recommend the diarist beat his head against.

    "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

    by Orinoco on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:39:16 PM PDT

  •  Great letter and choice of action ! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Yeah, mine is Goodall from Gwinnett Co (1+ / 0-)
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    I have sent a couple of emails too saying to end this shutdown. I figure I'll hear the jackboots of Georgia's finest knocking down my door anytime now, even though I was polite and completely non-threatening. But these "people" who claim to be our representatives???? Sheesh

    Don't doubt the fact there's life within you Yesterday's endings will tomorrow life give you

    by relayerbob on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:28:43 PM PDT

  •  Hey thankgodforairamerica (1+ / 0-)
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    You've posted 18 times in this thread when you could have used your efforts to help on a democrat's campaign. Chop chop.

    •  funny you should say that (0+ / 0-)

      I was at a campaign HQ for several hours earlier today. i've been there almost every day since we geared up for the municipal elections.

      Got quite a lot done today. Wonder how many of the people rec'ing this diary have seen the inside of a democratic campaign HQ.

      "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

      by thankgodforairamerica on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:53:12 PM PDT

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  •  Texas Democrats won't back down... (1+ / 0-)
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    I, like you, thought I could just vote for the correct Republican.  What I and many Republicans found was any Republican we elected always ended up voting with the rest of the Republicans.  Period.  

    For years those of us that were Republican turned to the Democratic Party only to find out that the Democratic Party was barely hanging on by a thread. Talk about frustrating!  So we spent years building the Democratic Party back up.  Donating as much as we could and working constantly to bring about the changes we knew had to happen.

    In the years that followed, things seemed to get worse and worse in Texas, but so many of us persevered, only to watch Democrats win some and lose a lot!  The thing that kept us going was knowing that change doesn't happen overnight.  

    So here we are today in Texas.  Our Rural Texas mostly Red, but our cities all turned Blue!  On top of that, we have the Republicans in office that are the worst of the worst, showing their arses to the world.  So just when we thought we could turn things around, the Republicans up and voted in a bunch of even worse legislators for the change they want...Ugh!!!

    What Republicans are finally figuring out here in Texas is that we have a viable Democratic Party ready and qualified to serve, realizing their Party has taken to the crazy ward.  Then lo and behold we have the rest of the US thinking the same thing and showing us the "love" we have been showing all of them for years.  

    Great Candidates believe it or not don't always make the difference, but what does is perseverance, hard work, and the fortitude to stick it out.  Just when you want to throw up your hands and say "no more", the people that have worked together and the friendships and connections that have been made, make it impossible to give up.  

    Texas will turn Blue of that I am sure.  I hope for all of our sakes, it's sooner than later, but I wouldn't for a minute ever again vote for a Republican to replace another Republican any time in the near future...All of our families deserve better.

  •  Faced with two Republicans to vote for (0+ / 0-)

    I'd vote for neither and at least be able to sleep comfortably with my own conscience that night.

    I don't even BEGIN to understand this diary.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:49:41 PM PDT

  •  HR'd for offering time & money for GOP (0+ / 0-)

    That's against site rules, plain and simple.

    Also, upraters should consider pulling these unless they agree that the GOP is a good party to give $ and energy to. If you feel that way, WHY are you on this site? In Kos' -- or is it Hunters' -- words, "It's a great big internet out there." We fight. We don't give the GOP our paychecks, period.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:58:28 PM PDT

  •  The downside to your idea: (0+ / 0-)

    Is that as execrable and immoral as the Tea Party is,

    a) it is a truer face of American conservatism than the previously mainstream Republican party.

    b) most Americans don't identify with it, which means that

    c) more and more Americans will no longer identify with the Republican party.

    That is: The Tea Party is good for us in the long run.  Just as long as they never ever get power.  And the more Americans see them for the empty ideological gasbags they really are, the better off we'll all be (This process takes a long time, since there are so many Americans).

    Remember : If the Democrats controlled the House, the Tea Party would be barking in the air.  

    The more people have guns, the more people use guns. The more people use guns, the more people die.

    by nominalize on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 12:24:55 AM PDT

  •  energy to better use? (0+ / 0-)

    I initially agreed with this diary, but I think that was out of pure frustration. Having read through the comments now however I think I'd personally encourage you to consider some of the alternatives suggested by airamerica. Are there really no state or local offices that you could support a Democrat for? even if in a nearby district.

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