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  •  Tweeting and waving the Confederate flag (14+ / 0-)

    in front of the White House. I wonder how the Great Conservative Shut-Down of the Beltway is going about now?

    These idiots "luv" their country so much they hate it!

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:00:29 AM PDT

    •  Affordable Care Act (2+ / 0-)
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      Lily O Lady, mookins

      Apply Now in a plan that covers essential benefits, pre-existing conditions, and more.
      See if you qualify for lower costs. A federal government website managed by the U.S. Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. 7500 Security Boulevard, Baltimore, MD 21244

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:36:43 AM PDT

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  •  Chicago Tribune! (1+ / 0-)
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    Hoocoodanode?

    Our best advice for Obamacare consumers is: Caveat emptor. Watch for insurance plans that hold down premium prices by restricting the choices of doctors and hospitals available to customers. Insurers "passed over major medical centers in Chicago" and elsewhere in an effort to tamp down costs, according to a new report from the Health Research Institute of PricewaterhouseCoopers, the consulting firm. That's a way for insurers to squeeze bigger discounts out of doctors and hospitals.

    The state promises to have 1,200 "navigators" available to help guide people through the maze. We'd like to tell you the phone number or website to reach them but ... that's still a mystery.

    The race to the bottom is on!
    •  Oh, the Tribune didn' t hear that the navigators (1+ / 0-)
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      wader

      have been told they must submit their entire life's history to the Republican party and pledge the life of their eldest child, to be forfeited if they make a mistake, before they can actually help anyone?

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:09:38 AM PDT

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      •  Navigator Training Manual (1+ / 0-)
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        rebel ga

        Solid Information.

        I scrolled to the end, Appendix D, "Sample Termination Letter," because us System D people tend to get letters like that, so I wanted to know what to expect. Page 43:

        What happens when my coverage ends? If you terminate your coverage and do not get other health coverage, you will be fully responsible for the cost of health services that you receive after you are disenrolled from your plan. You may not be able to enroll in another health insurance plan through the Marketplace until the next annual open enrollment period, which is from October 15 to December 7, 2014. Also, you may owe a penalty when you file your federal income tax return for the year if you have a gap in health coverage of three months or more during the year.

        Super if there's a pandemic, eh? Shows you that the "Care" part is just as much bullshit as the "Affordable" part.

        So just for grins I scrolled up to Appendix C, "Sample Warning Letter," 'cause I get those too, and found this gem. Page 41:

        If the information you included on your application to the Marketplace changes during the year, like your family size or circumstances (for example, if you marry, divorce, become pregnant, or have a child*); your income; or if you move, you may qualify for a special enrollment period to enroll in coverage before the annual open enrollment period.

        So, super. We tend to think that the only thing we have to inform the Exchange of is a change of income, but (of course) "family size and circumstances," as well as location, also affect for subsidy, and so you must comply with the Exchange's demand for constantly updated information th

        ere as well.
        This will be fun....
        •  What's Your Point? (3+ / 0-)
          What happens when my coverage ends? If you terminate your coverage and do not get other health coverage, you will be fully responsible for the cost of health services that you receive after you are disenrolled from your plan. You may not be able to enroll in another health insurance plan through the Marketplace until the next annual open enrollment period, which is from October 15 to December 7, 2014.
          This is not something new. Every insurance plan that I have ever been involved with operates pretty much this way.

          "A famous person once said, 'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' But as I once said, "If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like." – Max Headroom

          by midnight lurker on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 08:23:52 AM PDT

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        •  Coverage (1+ / 0-)
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          "If you terminate your coverage and do not get other health coverage, you will be fully responsible for the cost of health services that you receive after you are disenrolled from your plan."   Read again.  If YOU terminate your coverage.

            People who lose their coverage because of job loss, for example, during the year will be covered for about 3 months, but that will leave a gap.  This is a problem that needs to be addressed but not a reason for destroying the ACA  

          Super if there's a pandemic, eh? Shows you that the "Care" part is just as much bullshit as the "Affordable" part.  Are you saying that you will get insurance if you need it but not until then?  That is not how insurance coverage is paid for.

      •  HMO's back in Style! (1+ / 0-)
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        Limited Networks missed in Navigator Training

        I was looking for any sign, any hint that the navigators are being trained about the new and,uh, improved, uh narrow network plans being offered on the Exchanges. I was looking for something, maybe that directed navigators to, say, "Inform consumers that some of the Exchanges offer new 'streamlined' plans for especially discounted rates, but with more limited networks."

        I found text about HMOs versus PPOs, but nothing about the "new" (to some of us) narrow network designs. Why is it that there has been seemingly no effort to educate consumers about these plans?

        I know I'm repeating myself, but the bottom line scandal about the narrow networks Exchange plans is not simply that they exist, but that they have seemingly been hidden:

        .....Even though it was well known that they were likely coming back.
        .....Even though the Democrats (reluctantly) admit this.
        .....Even though many of the plans are considered quasi-Medicaid
        ...........................Which, as I understand it is a good thing, because flat red lines are now good, ha-ha.

        Why in the world would the Democrats possibly want to hide such an awesome cost cutting, consumer friend

        ly strategy?
        HMO's were a big fad long ago before being solidly rejected by consumers.  Now O'care has brought them back through the exchanges on steroids.  Like Carville says, "you run on dat!"
  •  Fantastic (10+ / 0-)

    Tom - You really expressed the stupidity of the Right succinctly on this one!  

    Excellent work!

  •  I'd pay for extra health insurance if only (8+ / 0-)

    Our mailman WOULD take my batty neighbor away...

  •  You just know the postal workers are (8+ / 0-)

    collecting intelligence for the Kenyan Usurper, don't you?

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:23:54 AM PDT

  •  the right is so wacky (2+ / 0-)
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    these are the times for political cartoonists.

    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

    by mightymouse on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:28:24 AM PDT

  •  Freedom means never having to say you're wrong (1+ / 0-)
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    rebel ga

    Live free or die from an untreated impacted molar gone septic you commies!

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:29:52 AM PDT

  •  The Greatest Sin (4+ / 0-)

    Once Upon a Time:  Voting against any increase in DOD spending.
    Then:  Voting for any tax increase.
    Now:  Providing adequate health care to people who are not rich.

    I'll put on my glasses.... and tell you how sweet your ass is. (w/ apologies to Señor Bega)

    by mHainds on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:33:52 AM PDT

  •  but where's the sarcasm? (7+ / 0-)

    Always enjoy Tom's comics, but his humor require that slight excess of pointing out the absurd or taking things to the extreme...

    unfortunately, the right has become such a parody you have to sympathize with political cartoonists... they're being reduced to providing transcripts

    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin

    "Post-hoc ergo proctor hoc" a logical fallacy, but to conservatives a philosophy

    by learn on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:42:52 AM PDT

  •  Nitpicking: USPS employees not USG employees. (1+ / 0-)
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    tekno2600

    That's why the USPS is still operating.  Until the GOP manages to bankrupt it, it'll keep working.

    "One faction of one party in one House of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election."

    by Inland on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:46:33 AM PDT

  •  Ahem. Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon

    Nailed it.

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:46:37 AM PDT

  •  Out of the freakin' park! That is all. n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  A second Civil War would go as badly for them as (0+ / 0-)

    the first. Most of the South is still a third world country...and they like it that way. So, they can bring all their hand guns to the fight. I'll bring a stealth drone with redneck-seeking-missiles.

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:19:43 PM PDT

    •  Have you ever been to a third world country? (0+ / 0-)
      •  Yes. I've spend a good deal of time in (1+ / 0-)
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        Mexico, particularly around Mexico City, Tepotzlan, and to the north of there in Queretaro. I also grew up near the Mexican border. Usually prefer to use the term "developing country" to describe places that are trying to improve living standards. Sadly, many places are not trying to improve standards, at least for the majority of people. So, I don't feel they deserve the title developing country and I go back to calling them third world. I also use it for the South, because there is a similar pattern of not trying to improve living standards for the majority. In fact there is an opposite trend where many conservatives are trying to roll back progress and exhibit hostility and demonization toward those who try to help the poor.  

        Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

        by tekno2600 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 05:01:15 PM PDT

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        •  I have also spent some time in Mexico (0+ / 0-)

          Mostly Mexico City, Cholula and Puebla and the Caribbean. I think that you are being disingenuous when you insinuate that the conservatives in Mexico are more interested in development that those of the Southern US, especially  considering that the PRI is now back in power with Pena Nieto. I just think that you want to take cheap shots at the South. I love Mexico and the Southern US, and the vast majority of people in both places are decent people trying to improve their lives.

          •  Actually, I said Mexico WAS a third world country, (1+ / 0-)
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            not a developing country, because I don't think PRI has the slightest interest in helping anyone but themselves. I extend that criticism to the selfish right wing politicians in the South as well. And, yes, I am taking pot shots at the South. I lived there and put up with enough family gatherings full of tea baggers that I've earned the right to take some pot shots. I wish all the thin skinned Southerns on this website would quit their whining whenever someone makes a joke or says something negative about their states. It may not be all of the South that's messed up, and it may not be your fault, but there's still an awful lot that can and should be criticized down there.

            Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

            by tekno2600 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:08:02 PM PDT

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            •  Thin skinned perhaps (0+ / 0-)

              but I have seen many posts on this board that openly promote violence and genocide against white Southerners. These posts usually get recs and not HRs. After a while you lose patience with the consistent hatred.

              •  beyond banana peels & flying pies*.... (0+ / 0-)

                i've been a kos reader for over a year now. i don't recall the open violence and genocide comments you speak of. have you been keeping track of these posts,and if so, would you care to share which one(s)? i'd just like to see for myself.

                *=we used to be able to laugh at ourselves in this country. it was called comedy. we had a sense of humor and humility. nowadays it's under scrutiny of the uncomfortables and their "politically correct" banner.

                •  A couple of samples (0+ / 0-)

                  from commonmass on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:42:37 AM PDT

                  "Sometimes, I think we would have done better (28+ / 0-)
                  to have barricaded the South until every last one of them starved to death . . ."

                  also from commonmass

                  "Lincoln was a better man than I: (5+ / 0-)
                  I would have hung half a million Confederates, if there were that many left, and starved the rest with a naval blockade, and never would have let them back in the Union."

                  There are others that I can't find or to the credit of this site have been hidden.

                  This is in addition to the standard "jokes" about kicking the South out of the Union, or about how stupid, inevitably racist and just plain evil all Southerners are (I assume they mean that only about white Southerners).

                  It gets old, boring and frustrating after a while.

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