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At the Economic Policy Institute, Elise Gould writes Welfare Isn’t Too Generous—Wages Are Too Low:

NPR recently published a story that gives undue credence to a Cato Institute study lamenting the generosity of US safety net programs. In reality, welfare benefits are not nearly as generous or accessible as the study claims. The NPR piece provides useful stories from actual welfare recipients, whose experiences more faithfully represent reality.

An important part of Cato’s assertion is that these programs offer a higher level of income than do many low-wage jobs. The real problem here is that wages for the vast majority of Americans are too low, and haven’t kept up with the increased productivity of the labor force.

When the study was first released, we pointed out some of the problems with their analysis. Here’s a quick summary of why their study was so misleading:

Elise Gould at Economic Policy Institute
Elise Gould
The Cato Institute recently released a wildly misleading report by Michael Tanner and Charles Hughes, which essentially claims that what low-wage workers and their families can expect to receive from “welfare” dwarfs the wages they can expect from working. Using state-level figures, their paper implies that single mothers with two children are living pretty well relying just on government assistance, with Cato’s “total welfare benefit package” ranging from $16,984 in Mississippi to $49,175 in Hawaii. They then calculate the pretax wage equivalents in annual and hourly terms and compare them to the median salaries in each state and to the official federal poverty level. Tanner and Hughes find that welfare benefits exceed what a minimum wage job would provide in 35 states, and suggest that welfare pays more than the salary for a first year teacher or the starting wage for a secretary in many states.

So what makes this so misleading?

For one, Tanner and Hughes make the assumption that these families receive simultaneous assistance from all of the following programs: Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Supplement Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid, Housing Assistance Payments, Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), Women, Infants, and Children Program (WIC), and The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP). It is this simultaneous assistance from multiple sources that lets the entire “welfare benefits package” identified by Cato add up to serious money. But it’s absurd to assume that someone would receive every one of these benefits, simultaneously, and it ignores the fact that some programs have time limits. […]

Tanner and Hughes are not telling a realistic story about the lives of low income Americans and the income provided to them by transfer programs. Where they have a point is how poorly work pays for too many American families, particularly low-wage workers. If they want to insure that work pays well for single mothers with two kids, it would seem more worthwhile to push for increases in the minimum wage and affordable child care. Cato’s view instead seems to be that since work alone is failing to provide secure living standards for many Americans, we should take away other sources of income from them, too.


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on the day before this date in 2002Bush: Al Qaeda now part of Saddam's army:

Bush has made some pretty asinine comments while trying to justify a war with Iraq. But this one tops them all:

"We need to think about Saddam Hussein using al-Qaida to do his dirty work, to not leave fingerprints behind," Bush said Monday at a rally for Michigan's GOP candidates.

"This is a man who we know has had connections with al-Qaida. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al-Qaida as a forward army," Bush said later at a Dearborn, Mich. fund-raiser.
For the record, there are no known ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, and all evidence suggests the two entities are fundamentally opposed (Al Qaeda is a fundamentalist organization, Hussein is veheme[n]tly secular). If they have a common bond, it's that they both hate the US -- definitely not enough to suggest any alliance.

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Even if you don't have today off, never, ever forget when Columbus discovered the Second Amendment at the Alamo.
@pourmecoffee



On today's Kagro in the Morning show, still in shutdown, almost at default. GunFAIL inside the termination hearing of gun nut cop Mark Kessler! Greg Dworkin on the state of play on the shutdown & debt ceiling, and how the Tea Party = modern Birchers. The weekend's "protests" saw right wing protesters treated with kid gloves (unlike left wing protesters who get pepper sprayed & beaten). Bruce McF's diaries pose an alternative to "The Coin." Then, the gun nut ploy to hijack the Sandy Hook anniversary, as noted by verbalpaintball. Finally, how Republicans altered House Rules to block a clean CR, and how they're moving to undo the Dem discharge petition.



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  •  980,855 registered users on dKos now. (22+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

    robkawrd
    macylun1 (user #980,847: spammer)
    Laurapacetti
    b3030
    jwpatty
    funnyphotos (user #980,851: spammer)
    daxus
    jhcolwell
    SharepodforMac (user #980,854: spammer)
    jakeweiner


    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #980,700: LeslieLHargis (spammer)
    #980,800: Enlai (already banned)

    We've added 170 more users in the last 24 hours.  We're no longer being flooded with all those fake users.


    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, with the government shutdown, all the musical instruments have been furloughed as well, so we've gotta go a cappella for now.  Here's DaVinci's Notebook's "Enormous Penis".

  •  July 2, 1776. (20+ / 0-)

    On this day, John Dickinson and Robert Morris, both of Pennsylvania, both against independence, abstained from voting on the Declaration of Independence; thus, allowing it to pass.
    Should nothing occur before Wednesday, October the 16th, 2013, John Boehner will be in exactly the same shoes as Dickinson and Morris. If he does not abstain; if he does not allow a vote, then, they may as well have voted in the negative.
    I know how cliche it sounds, but that is how important one person can be in history.
    I wish Paul Lynde were here to ask him, "How do you want to be remembered, Johnny? Isn't it bad enough already?"

    We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

    by franklyn on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 08:59:38 PM PDT

  •  Reckless Republican fanatics (10+ / 0-)

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:00:17 PM PDT

    •  7.1 Mag. Quake hits Central Philippines on Bohol (2+ / 0-)
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      Island near the town of Catigbian.
      Deaths are also reported on the Islands of Cebu and Sequitor.

      Magnitude-7.1 earthquake hits the Philippines, 20 dead.

       Most of those killed were hit by falling rubble, the Philippines News Agency reported.

      At least 33 people were missing and authorities were checking into reports of people trapped in collapsed buildings in Cebu and Bohol, the agency reported.

      As it happens I have booked travel with stays on the Islands of Bohol, Cebu and Sequitor for late next month.

      "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

      by Lefty Coaster on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 11:04:00 PM PDT

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  •  Will they? At this point, I almost don't care. (13+ / 0-)

    Stupid fucks ruin everything.

    they've already proven just how little they care about the citizens of this country.  All that remains to be seen is if said citizens are stupid enough to re-elect them next year.  And I don't really want to think about the answer, because I think I already know.

    Lead your life - don't let your life lead you.

    by lineatus on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:04:34 PM PDT

  •  The latest on the shutdown (17+ / 0-)

    Chris Hayes talked about it with Reps. Scott Rigell (R-VA) and Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Robert Costa, Steve Rattner, Robert George, Michelle Goldberg, and Josh Barro.

    Rachel talked about it with Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) and Chris Matthews.

    Lawrence talked about it with Luke Russert, Ezra Klein, Mark Patterson, Steve Schmidt, E.J. Dionne, Karen Finney, Dorian Warren, Krystal Ball, and Joy Reid.

    Ed Schultz talked with Reps. Alan Grayson (D-FL) and Bill Pascrell (D-NJ), Michael Eric Dyson, Ruth Conniff, and Jonathan Alter.

  •  Simple answers to Stupid GOP questions (17+ / 0-)

    1) Food stamps keep the stores open in the poor neighborhoods.

    2) The financial crisis has lasted so long that people who had any savings left in 2008 have now run out of money and have to seek out public assistance.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:06:33 PM PDT

  •  Another economic method to overcome (2+ / 0-)
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    the economic hole theorized to exist because people on social assistance may be motivated to not work by these programs, is to NOT remove the benefits once the workers join the labor pool.

    "An important part of Cato’s assertion is that these programs offer a higher level of income than do many low-wage jobs. The real problem here is that wages for the vast majority of Americans are too low, and haven’t kept up with the increased productivity of the labor force."

    IE if  that $17k a year job does not cost me my $20k worth of benefits.  IT turns the economic proposition from earning -3k a year and working. To just the earning the original 17k.

    This should in theory accomplish provide a social safety net and remove the dis-incentive for working.

  •  Bay area folks: Spare ticket to Marc Maron 10/16 (7+ / 0-)

    If you're interested (my treat) shoot me a Kosmail.  My friend can't go so I have a spare ticket to City Arts and Lectures this Wednesday.

    Lead your life - don't let your life lead you.

    by lineatus on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:11:19 PM PDT

  •  Tonight's theme... (8+ / 0-)

    ... in The Justice Department: Musique sans Frontireres is "A Driftwood Fire On A Beach"

    Playlist, poetry, photography and the Netroots Player at the link so you can roam the Big Orange.

    Listen to The After Show & The Justice Department on Netroots Radio. Join us on The Porch Tue & Fri at Black Kos, all are welcome!

    by justiceputnam on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:11:25 PM PDT

  •  Sheriff Joe Arpaio's buddy Larry Klayman, the (20+ / 0-)

    birther asshole who said the leaders of the Arpaio recall were "homos" who "want his nuts," made it very clear yesterday on the Mall who Senators Cruz and Lee are appealing to: bigots.

    Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group, said the country is "ruled by a president who bows down to Allah," and "is not a president of 'we the people.'"

    "I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come up with his hands out," he said.

    Of course, Cruz did not condemn Klayman's bigotry -- only issuing a statement saying it's unfortunate that the media is focusing on this jerk.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:12:39 PM PDT

  •  OMG! Chris Matthews just opened his (4+ / 0-)
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    mouth and stuffed both feet throat deep.
    Watch for the right wing howl come morning.
    In talking to Stephen Colbert about Bill O'Reilly "killing" sprees, Tweety said, "Why don't we just ask the real question we want to ask? When are we going to kill O'Reilly?"
    Let's see how much time it will take for them to start demanding that Chris be fired and that Obama must apologize.

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:13:41 PM PDT

  •   NSA collects millions of e-mail address books (7+ / 0-)

    sigh

    The collection program, which has not been disclosed before, intercepts e-mail address books and “buddy lists” from instant messaging services as they move across global data links. Online services often transmit those contacts when a user logs on, composes a message, or synchronizes a computer or mobile device with information stored on remote servers.

    ...

    Rather than targeting individual users, the NSA is gathering contact lists in large numbers that amount to a sizable fraction of the world’s e-mail and instant messaging accounts. Analysis of that data enables the agency to search for hidden connections and to map relationships within a much smaller universe of foreign intelligence targets.

    Link

    "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

    by Betty Pinson on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:14:04 PM PDT

  •  I was going to start a (1+ / 0-)
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    Ted Cruz birther movement but I think we want him to be their nominee in 2016...

    "If fighting for a more equal and equitable distribution of the wealth of this country is socialistic, I stand guilty of being a socialist." Walter Reuther

    by fugwb on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:14:51 PM PDT

  •  Kill Your Television tonight (0+ / 0-)

    Fox TV 's Sleepy Hollow perhaps unintentionally celebrates indigenous peoples day as I diary episode number 5.  http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:16:12 PM PDT

  •  So, IF the government opens up and (6+ / 0-)

    IF we agree to pay the dinner check and

    the new Beltway Meme of the Week is Grand Bargaining,

    I'll open

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:16:57 PM PDT

  •  the Cato-Tonic Institute and its disinformation (1+ / 0-)
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    the monolithic bugaboo called the welfare state populated by more non-POC and includes all kinds of other entitlements and subsidies: VHA VA MIC PIC......

    For one, Tanner and Hughes make the assumption that these families receive simultaneous assistance from all of the following programs: Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Supplement Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid, Housing Assistance Payments, Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), Women, Infants, and Children Program (WIC), and The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP). It is this simultaneous assistance from multiple sources that lets the entire “welfare benefits package” identified by Cato add up to serious money. But it’s absurd to assume that someone would receive every one of these benefits, simultaneously, and it ignores the fact that some programs have time limits. […]

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:19:05 PM PDT

  •  I think that today should be (13+ / 0-)

    Columbo Day.

    We should all wear sloppy raincoats and hats, smoke cigars and keep saying we are leaving but instead return to ask a question or make an observation while scratching our heads.

    And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

    by high uintas on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:21:33 PM PDT

  •  Let's go after the REAL "welfare queens" (10+ / 0-)

    The banks. Wall Street. The oil industry. The MIC.

    A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

    by METAL TREK on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:23:48 PM PDT

  •  Pretty Winter Banner. (1+ / 0-)
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    We are forecast a high of 38 degrees F tomorrow, with a slight chance of snow.

  •  A little geek humor for your viewing pleasure (8+ / 0-)

    Courtesy of XKCD:

    This signature CLOSED due to the Republican-created Federal Government shutdown.

    by Omir the Storyteller on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:25:34 PM PDT

  •  if memory serves me, the unentitled poor are (1+ / 0-)
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    JML9999

    described as those on public assistance who have such extravagant luxury items as autos, TVs, cell phones and fridges and even ac in the deep South.  In other words, watch a re-run of "The Honeymooners" and the Kramden's cold water walk up one bedroom flat is the way the indigent should live in today's America.

    Also watch for RW reports of looting and riots at Walmart following the shutdown of the  EBT system due to a computer glitch.  Supposedly some stores allowed customers to purchase items without checking the limit on their cards during the blackout and customers went into an orgy of buying.

    Over in Wingertopia, it was reported the cops were called (4 cars to 1 site for crowd control) and the mobs abandoned their loot and fled while "good" (white) shoppers were then able to pay for their hard earned goods with cash.
     http://www.cbsnews.com/...
    Count on this to be added to the winger mythos along with the Katrina riots, the Trayvon race riots and welfare queens and public assistance caddies

  •  I see that the pessimists outnumber the hopefuls (3+ / 0-)
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    I guess that being a pessimist goes with being a progressive these days. No wonder we lose so often. Wish fulfillment operates subconsciously.

    Anyway, while 74% of Americans polled disapprove of how Repubs have handled budget negotiations in a new WaPo/ABC poll, 61% disapprove of Dems and 53% disapprove of Obama. Sigh. I can't think of a single thing that Obama or Dems have done to deserve disapproval in this particular situation.

    As usual, most Americans aren't really paying attention and thinking like horse's asses, with that whole undifferentiated "They're all bums! Throw them all out!" idiocy that makes one so proud to be an American. How we've managed to survive with so many morons among us is beyond me. I suppose that that explains how we got to where we are.

    God damn we're a stupid nation.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:40:23 PM PDT

    •  I think (6+ / 0-)
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      part of the problem is that the media is saying that once government is re-opened everything goes on the table for negotiations.  It was on Charlie Rose tonight and it has been stated in news articles as well.  

      I think people are holding on waiting to see what will be cut even after government is open again.

      It has been a roller coaster ride in this country since the year 2000 and on, a lot of people I talk to are feeling very insecure and worried because even job stability is shakey.

      I don't know about anyone else, but the Republicans and teabaggers really scare the crap out of me.  I as well as others who are disabled are worried about future cuts and keeping a roof over our heads.  Not everyone has a large family to rely on.  Plus in my area there is too many empty houses and foreclosures mixed with high unemployment or low paying jobs to feel secure about the future.  With safety nets hanging on by a thread it is hard to feel secure and a lot of us do not have retirements to rely on either.  I'm almost sixty and have never felt this worried, not even in my twenties making under twenty thousand in the 80s.  

      And that whole thing with the WWII memorial where the teabaggers ripped the blockades off the closed memorial and threw them at the White House fence.  What I don't get is why no one was corralled or peppered sprayed?  Or even arrested.

      "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

      by zaka1 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:42:07 PM PDT

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    •  If progresive are pessimits these days, (3+ / 0-)
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      it comes from trying to deal with Republicans.  They have proved themselves to be liars who can not be trusted.  Pessimism is a reasonable reaction to such a situation.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:44:25 PM PDT

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    •  Comes with the territory (0+ / 0-)

      You get whipped enough, you flinch a lot, even after the whippings stop.

      This signature CLOSED due to the Republican-created Federal Government shutdown.

      by Omir the Storyteller on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:53:28 PM PDT

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      •  It's an understandable but self-defeating response (1+ / 0-)
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        It's part of why we lose, always expecting to and perhaps subconsciously self-sabotaging to bring it about. We still tend to approach our challenges with either a wildly and unrealistically optimistic outlook, or with an excessively and needlessly pessimistic outlook. Why not simply be firm and confident, hoping for the best and steeling ourselves for the worst? We lose because we don't fight hard enough, and we don't fight hard enough because we believe we're going to lose. It's a self-defeating cycle that has to end.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:34:35 AM PDT

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  •  Does anybody think it would help (2+ / 0-)
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    If we blanketed Congress with postcards or old shoes or pink slips or something that said: "We love our Government and we want it Open for Business NOW with NO STRINGS ATTACHED! Get on board or get out of the way."

    ????

    Where is the OUTRAGE????

    We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

    by susanWAstate on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:43:28 PM PDT

  •  Race to the bottom (2+ / 0-)
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    Bangladesh sets the workplace standards for the world.  It's the "pragmatism" of the "free market".

    Clap On, Clap Off, The Clapper!

    by ActivistGuy on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:51:18 PM PDT

  •  Cruz and minions plotting the Taco Putsch? (9+ / 0-)

    According to Roll Call:

    Sen. Ted Cruz met with roughly 15 to 20 House Republicans for around two hours late Monday night at the Capitol Hill watering hole Tortilla Coast.

    The group appeared to be talking strategy about how they should respond to a tentative Senate deal to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling without addressing Obamacare in a substantive way, according to sources who witnessed the gathering. The Texas Republican senator and many of the House Republicans in attendance had insisted on including amendments aimed at dismantling Obamacare in the continuing resolution that was intended to avert the current shutdown.

    Sources said the House Republicans meeting in the basement of Tortilla Coast with Cruz were some of the most conservative in the House: Reps. Louie Gohmert of Texas, Steve King of Iowa, Jim Jordan of Ohio, Tom Cotton of Arkansas, Raúl R. Labrador of Idaho, Steve Southerland II of Florida, Mark Meadows of North Carolina and Justin Amash of Michigan.

    •  More: the group was busted by Majority Whip (5+ / 0-)

      Kevin McCarthy, also dining at the restaurant.

      •  This quote: (5+ / 0-)
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        While the dinner meeting was held in a private basement room, the group was spotted by Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., who was dining with some other members, including Gregg Harper, R-Miss. McCarthy is a regular at the Capitol Hill restaurant, and a source said he seemed particularly interested in what the group was up to
        Further proof that Ted Cruz is the most hated AND distrusted man in America...

        "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world." -Jack Layton (1950-2011)

        by Coco Usagi on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:16:06 PM PDT

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    •  Gee, missed that one. Darn. (2+ / 0-)
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      Could you imagine being even in the same building with that bunch of fanatical trash? I'd lose my dinner right in the aisle.

      "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

      by Wildthumb on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:57:04 PM PDT

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    •  Oh god, they'll never learn, will they? (7+ / 0-)

      There's no way that Ted Cruz will go for an unanimous consent in the Senate when the Reid-McConnell bill comes up tomorrow or Wednesday. Reid will have to pull out all the stops just to bypass ONE person for the sake of the entire country...and the world.

      And those House Republicans have no convictions, backstabbing their own leadership when the battle is already lost. Disgusting...

      "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world." -Jack Layton (1950-2011)

      by Coco Usagi on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:14:44 PM PDT

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      •  "House Republicans" in leadership positions, (3+ / 0-)
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        like Pete Sessions, Rules Committee Chair?

        See his H.Res. 368:

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        Pete was in on the plot, and personally helped tie the House in knots.  Giving Cantor sole say-so on bringing Senate legislation up for a House vote.

        Backstabbing? More like aiding and abetting.

        I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

        by tom 47 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 02:06:53 AM PDT

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    •  ugh. ick. pewie. (1+ / 0-)
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      and with that, i'm heading back to jbou's diary ...
      because that bunch of gumbo up there just stinks.

      Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes. @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.

      by greenbird on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:27:21 PM PDT

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  •  Would it be illegal, against House rules, or (1+ / 0-)
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    unethical for a Representative or his/her staff to short-sell Treasury bonds in the next few days if the Representative plans to vote against raising the debt limit?  That would seem to me to be trading on inside information.

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:52:44 PM PDT

    •  Unethical, yes. Illegal...maybe. (2+ / 0-)
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      viral, david78209

      Congress has a nearly non-existent record of going after themselves when it comes to inside trading, after all.

      "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world." -Jack Layton (1950-2011)

      by Coco Usagi on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 11:04:41 PM PDT

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    •  That was going to be the rule this year (1+ / 0-)
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      but they nixed it.

      Insider trading for me, and not for thee...

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 01:56:41 AM PDT

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  •  In the state of OR, I get 3 forms (1+ / 0-)
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    of the assistance listed. It equals $9,900.

    oddgirlart.wordpress.com

    by kjoftherock on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 09:53:48 PM PDT

  •  All This Hate Against Welfare (8+ / 0-)

    When I read these comments from politicians about welfare, I always wonder the same thing: Do they even realize what it is like to live off of minimum wage (or even slightly above)? Do they even know of anyone that lives off of minimum wage?

    I was raised in a low income household. We collected welfare benefits....but never for unlimited stretches of time. My mother is in her 40s, and makes $11/hr (the most she's ever made in her life). Even today with her kids 'almost' out of the house (my youngest sister is away in college), she constantly juggles between bills. I actually do the same myself...since even though I make more money than she does, I also have more debt (she didn't go to college...so at least doesn't need to worry about student loans).

    We both know what it is like to collect a paycheck after two weeks and have $30 left over to spend. Yeah. That happens when ANY unexpected bill comes up....medicine, car breaks down, have to buy books for the semester, etc. You have to ask around and beg and borrow for groceries for the next week. You lose your dignity...you lose your sense of pride. You lose freedom because you are afraid of encountering anything that will rob you of the little bit of money that you do have.

    Yes we know how it is; and we don't even work minimum wage! I couldn't even imagine if we did.

    •  i know quite a few who live off minimum wage (1+ / 0-)
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      because people like the majority of this site thouught outsourcing and free trade was awesome and still do.

      Some of them get food stamps. Thats it.

      Welfare pretty much kicks in for people who dont work and who work the system . Not for people who spend all their time trying to make it work. And read my comment below this.

      Theres somethign very wrong with the welfare system even now. It seems to be mostly a system of social control of the working poor and their children. You wont see a social worker checking on kennedy or dupont kids even if they show up in public beat to death. But some working mom who has two jobs at minimum wage doesnt clean the house twice a day some social services nut will come into her house and tell her how to live her life.

      A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

      by cdreid on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:19:49 PM PDT

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    •  They don't know and (1+ / 0-)
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      they don't care.  They have their ideology to keep them safe and satisfied.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:53:13 PM PDT

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  •  I have 3 casual friends (2+ / 0-)
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    who have only ever had a job intermittently and then only for a few months tops. They recieve  housing food phones money...

    and another friend with two small children who was desperately in trouble.  The welfare system had no use for her other than to take her kids.. because hey social workers get to have power over someone. She is still trying to fight her way out and get them back.

    Theres still something very very wrong with the welfare system.

    A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

    by cdreid on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:15:29 PM PDT

  •  Don't miss Vetwife's diary....... (0+ / 0-)
  •  Notes from a guy actually receiving welfare (10+ / 0-)

    Currently I'm out of work (again) and doing my best to hold body, soul and family together while I get back to work. I "suck at the government teat" to the tune of about $600 a month in assistance. Try living on that. Try even buying food for a family (6 in my case) on it. I dare you.

    I will admit that I am getting the maximum authorized in Washington for unemployment assistance. However, (1) this isn't welfare, any more than life or health insurance is; and (2) the reason I can rake in this munificent sum (which doesn't even come close to paying all my bills) is because I've put in a decade at relatively high wage middle class jobs. However, I can only do this for a maximum of something like 20 weeks. If I'm not back to work by then, I'm sunk. (Actually I may be sunk already. I'm just too stubborn to give up.) IIRC the maximum amount of benefits available to a worker is 40% of their highest earnings over the last couple of years, or $624 a week, whichever is lower.

    So bottom line: Anyone who says people are getting rich on welfare is LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH.

    And I've said this before and I'll say it again: I am grateful for all the help I've received, public and private, since I've gotten on the job-on-job-off rollercoaster. And I cannot wait to get off assistance and start being in a position where I don't have to ask for help and can start helping other people. And I'll bet my nonexistent retirement account the vast majority of people on welfare feel the same way.

    This signature CLOSED due to the Republican-created Federal Government shutdown.

    by Omir the Storyteller on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 10:34:19 PM PDT

  •  You might well ask.... (4+ / 0-)
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    Why does NPR rely so heavily on right-wing think tank sources such as the Cato Institute and the Mercator Institute at George Mason University?

    Could it have something to do with the Koch brothers and others who have bought their way on to their boards?  Or to deflect the criticisms of Rethug Congresscritters?

    I suspect an investigation of these connections would yield some very interesting results.  None of this, of course, surprises anyone who has read Crashing the Gates.  This is merely a recent manifestation of a massively-funded, four-decades-long  effort by right-wing gazillionaires to co-opt our Constitutional Democracy.

    This NPR/CPB effort is particularly insidious, because so many of us think of public broadcasting as an objective and neutral source of news and information.  Not so.

  •  "Productivity" and "labor" have nothing to do (0+ / 0-)

    with the existential dilemma that humanity faces. The fact is that robotics and computerized systems of organization have rendered "labor" in the old sense of the term, largely superfluous.

    Leftists are still thinking in 19th century language, as if there were yet some kind of a "proletariat" labor force that drives "progress". And as if "progress" were an undeniably desirable thing.

    It is not.

    There is no more "progress". As a species, we have finished "progressing". Amazonian tribes do not need or desire any "progress". Humanity as a whole no longer needs any "production", nor does it need any proletariat in order to produce more and better "products".

    We are already a awash in "products" up the kazoo. Most of which don't last more than a year or two, and then we have to figure out how to dispose of them, without fouling our own nests. The entire system is absolutely stupid.

    The wealth and well-being that human technology, human ingenuity, has created during the past hundred years or so, is so marvelous, so widespread and so wonderful, that we are literally drowning in it. Drowning as a species in our own technologically created wealth. Yet our out-dated systems of class structure continue to dominate our ideas about value, as if there were not enough value to be shared universally.

    No doubt capitalism, aka normal human greed, has played a big part in motviating and structuring the emergence and development of this technolological blossoming, of which we are all the beneficiaries, regardless of our political or religious persuasions.

    But humanity and technology itself have both reached a kind of end-point, whereby greed and self-interest are no longer able to provide sufficient motivation to continue the quest for personal acquisition. We have acquired so much technology, both personally and collectively, and so much ability via pure greed, pure selfishness, that we are beginning to vomit, to spew it out as a poison.

  •  Dem Senator employs fired Lonegan staffer (0+ / 0-)

    NJ Democratic State Senator Nicholas Sacco paid fired Lonegan staffer Rick Shaftan nearly half a million dollars in recent years for campaign services. NJ Teapublican US Senate candidate in this weeks special election Steve Lonegan fired Shaftan after he gave an inetrview with a reporter filled with sexual references and homophobic bigotry.

    [http://christiegonewild.blogspot.com/2013/09/]

    by Ken Bank on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 11:26:14 PM PDT

  •  Close to a million now. (1+ / 0-)
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    Well it's no wonder. I'm surprised it's not fifty times that. This place represents political sanity to me. I wonder who will be the one-millionth participant -- he or she should get a special award, even if it's some damn spammer!

    Bravo Markos.

  •  3 Exceptions To Midterm CW - 1934,1998,2002 (0+ / 0-)

    Good review of how it happened in 2002. Remember Gore scheduled to give a speech in mid September 2001 to break his obligatory period where he had to had to avoid dissing the candidate who "beat" him in 2000. I remember thinking at the time that the prospect for an Iraq War was just to have a good GOP outcome for the 2002 midterm. I misunderestimated the stupidity of the dubya when the war actually started in March of 2003.  

  •  I put links to the diaries that ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... were read on the show (plus three others) in a comment to the live Kagro in the Morning Show.

    Five Consol Bond / Premium Bond diaries at daily kos

    Never mind the title of the comment, I started out giving links to the three that were not read, went ahead and gave all five, and edit the subject line before hitting post.

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    by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 01:18:10 AM PDT

  •  Work Does Not Pay (1+ / 0-)
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    Kind of disappointed on the thread drift here, One (IMPORTANT) question, why is (Lefty Liberal) PBS giving ANY attention to Partisan Ideological Propaganda coming put of someplace like the CATO institute, except to rebut it?

    Contact your local PBS Station and say so.

    Mine (KUAF) has been hopelessly compromised by Walmart money, they actually delete anti-Walmart stores from the broadcast.

    Even at $8 an hour, I lose money by as soon as I put the key in the Ignition to drive to a "job".

  •  Correct (0+ / 0-)

    And it is because of an anti-competitive agreement amongst wage payers to keep wages artificially low.

  •  Re:Cato (1+ / 0-)
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    If health care, nutrition, housing & fair wages were considered fundamental rights, we would not be thinking of these government programs as "categories" or of them in terms of dependencies.

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

    by DJ Rix on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 02:51:14 AM PDT

  •  The Timeline (2+ / 0-)
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    Oct 2008: "You'll never get elected and pass healthcare."

    Nov 2008: "We'll never let you pass healthcare."

    Jan 2009: "We are going to shout you down every time you try to pass healthcare."

    July 2009: "We will fight to the death every attempt you make to pass healthcare."

    Dec 2009: "We will destroy you if you even consider passing healthcare."

    March 2010: "We can't believe you just passed healthcare."

    April 2010: "We are going to overturn healthcare."

    Sept 2010: "We are going to repeal healthcare."

    Jan 2011: "We are going to destroy healthcare."

    Feb 2012: "We are going to elect a candidate who will immediately revoke healthcare."

    June 2012: "We will go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn healthcare."

    Aug 2012: "The American people will never re-elect you, because they don't want healthcare."

    Oct 2012: "We can't wait to win the election and explode healthcare."

    Nov 2012: "We can't believe you just got re-elected and that we can't repeal healthcare."

    Feb 2013: "We're still going to vote to obliterate healthcare."

    June 2013: "We can't believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare."

    July 2013: "We're going to vote like 35 more times to erase healthcare."

    Sept 2013: "We are going to leverage a government shutdown into defunding, destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, dismantling, erasing and ripping apart healthcare."

    Oct 2013: "WHY AREN'T YOU NEGOTIATING???"

    I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 03:09:35 AM PDT

  •  cato institute (0+ / 0-)

    has only one institution ... lying!

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 04:10:32 AM PDT

  •  I thought the house has done a resolution (0+ / 0-)

    so that ONLY Eric Cantor can bring up a bill for consideration thereby shutting out the dems option entirely.

    It seems that all my life we have been bombing someone, teaching them a lesson. Every day I understand more deeply how violent we are. Violent to others and violent to ourselves. - Robert Olmstead

    by glitterscale on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 04:18:09 AM PDT

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