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To listen to Republican leaders, Democrats refuse to negotiate. Speaker of the House John Boehner and other Republicans have repeated this claim ad nauseum over the past couple weeks.

Here's one example:  


Refusing to negotiate is an untenable position. - House Speaker John Boehner
I would be mad too if Democrats refused to negotiate.

The question I'd ask first though, especially if I were the media, is have Democrats refused to negotiate?

Fortunately, it's not difficult to look at Congressional history.  

Chris Weigant documents the history of the shutdown in a two-part series I highly recommend (Part I, Part II).

Here's a quick summary:

Date Description Source
January 2013 Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid compromises on filibuster reform designed to avoid a small minority using Senate rules to gridlock legislation. Link
Feb. 13, 2013 President Obama calls on Congress to work together instead of manufacturing a crisis. Link
Feb. 17, 2013 Committee chairs try to reassert the regular process for budget negotiations. Link
Mar. 7, 2013 Committee chairs (Patty Murray (D)- Senate, Paul Ryan(R)-House) submit competing proposals. Link
Mar. 13, 2013 "The best course now is to let the budgets go, get them into [a] conference [committee] and try to reconcile the two," Sen. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.) said the president advised senators during the closed-door meeting. Link
Mar. 23, 2013 The Senate passes a budget proposal. After the House passes its budget, regular order dictates that both chambers name members of a conference committee to resolve the difference. Link
Apr. 11, 2013 Representative Ryan and Senator Murray issued a joint statement calling for a conference committee on the House and Senate budget resolutions.

This is the agreement. Yay! They're going to negotiate a budget in the traditional manner.

Link
Apr. 17, 2013 It takes Ryan less than a week to reverse his position on holding a conference committee. The new House Republican position is that there has to be a deal before any talks begin. That way, they can dictate what the conference committee can actually talk about before it even meets. Link
Apr. 23, 2013 Harry Reid requests unanimous consent for naming a conference committee on the budget. Senator Toomey blocks this request. Link
Apr. 24, 2013 "After several years of complaining that Congress didn't have a budget, Republicans are now the ones holding up the 2014 budget process.
Both the GOP-led House and Democrat-controlled Senate have passed plans, but House Speaker John A. Boehner seems in no hurry to create the official conference committee that would hammer out differences."
Link
May 4, 2013 ''Regular order!'' That has been the demand of House Republicans for three years, insisting on a return to the distant days when Congress actually passed budget resolutions and spending bills, instead of paying for the government through shortsighted stopgap measures.

"Senate Democrats have done nothing," Speaker John Boehner said on ''Meet the Press'' on March 3, referring to the Senate's failure to pass a budget since 2009. ''It's time for them to vote. It's time for us to get back to regular order here in Congress.'' The two chambers could try to resolve their differences in a conference committee, he said, ''and maybe come to some agreement.''

But a funny thing happened a few days after those comments were made: the Senate agreed to that demand and actually passed a budget. Suddenly all those Republican cries for regular order stopped. Suddenly the House has no interest in a conference with the Senate. Instead, Congress is preparing for yet another budget crisis.

Link
May 6, 2013 Majority Leader Harry Reid requests unanimous consent for naming a conference committee on the budget. Senator Cruz blocks this request. Link
May 7, 2013 Senator Murray requests unanimous consent for naming a conference committee on the budget. Senator McConnell blocks this request. Link
May 8, 2013 Senator Warner requests unanimous consent for naming a conference committee on the budget. Senator McConnell blocks this request. Link
May 8, 2013 “In a ‘regular order’ world, we would begin to sit down in an open, transparent way and work toward a compromise. But unfortunately at this point the Republicans are objecting.” - Patty Murray Link

I think you can see where this is going. For the record, Senate Democrats tried fifteen more times to start up the regular order negotiating process from May 9th to October 2nd.

If you look at Congressional history, the Republican claim that "Democrats refuse to negotiate" is quite simply a lie.

In late April/early May, Republicans decided that they had no interest in negotiating through the regular budgetary process. They decided instead they were going to shutdown the government and play the 'hostage' card.

And now they're saying Democrats won't negotiate?  

I'm sorry but given recent history, Republican claims no one will negotiate with them are little more than talking points.

I would be mad if Democrats refused to negotiate.

How do you negotiate though with a party that tells you they want to negotiate, then refuses to negotiate, then turns around and says you won't negotiate?

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Comment Preferences

  •  You arrest them for obstructing justice. (2+ / 0-)
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    tgrshark13, a2nite

    Then tell them that the judge to approve their release is currently furloughed.

    "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." --Townes Van Zandt

    by Bisbonian on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 06:57:07 AM PDT

  •  You send them to timeout (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    akadjian

    where all unruly children end up.

  •  You make sure their constituents know (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    akadjian, tgrshark13

    how badly these bas+ards hurt the people in their own districts. Tie the local pain to the reps that are responsible from now until November 2014.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:01:19 AM PDT

  •  You Force Them, But Only If You Can (0+ / 0-)

    Otherwise you surrender.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:10:58 AM PDT

  •  Republicans want war (1+ / 0-)
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    Kevskos

    When they say they want to "negotiate" they mean they want you to lick their boots and give you all your money.  And the next time they come to "negotiate" they'll want your house and belongings too.

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:11:55 AM PDT

  •  Better question (1+ / 0-)
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    akadjian

    "How do win a game of chicken against someone who has planted bombs to blow up the road and kill everyone?"

    The answer is to try to get people to keep that maniac out of the car and away from the road in the first place, and that means doing a lot of what Obama has tried to do: use the bully pulpit.  Go to the people directly and apply pressure from the outside onto the Republicans who may actually have some vulnerability to see if they can keep their rabid dogs properly caged.  Or preferably: put down.

    •  It's why I write (0+ / 0-)

      So I can build my case and talk to and share with as many people as possible.

      The sheer absurdity of it is mind numbing. Most people, however, when you walk through what actually happened get it.

      Sometimes you just have to bust them out of the same old/same old Democrat vs. Republican, both sides are equally guilty media frame.

  •  The only acceptable terms are Unconditional (0+ / 0-)

    Surrender.

    Forget about how do you negotiate with terrorists. How do you negotiate with someone who can't deliver the votes for what he agrees to? The White House should send Boehner and Cantor home until they prove they can control their caucus.

    I won't believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. Leo Gerard.

    by tgrshark13 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:09:50 AM PDT

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