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Cora Currier at ProPublica writes In Big Win for Defense Industry, Obama Rolls Back Limits on Arms Exports:

The United States is loosening controls over military exports, in a shift that former U.S. officials and human rights advocates say could increase the flow of American-made military parts to the world’s conflicts and make it harder to enforce arms sanctions.

[As of Tuesday], thousands of parts of military aircraft, such as propeller blades, brake pads and tires will be able to be sent to almost any country in the world, with minimal oversight—even to some countries subject to U.N. arms embargos. U.S. companies will also face fewer checks than in the past when selling some military aircraft to dozens of countries.

Critics, including some who’ve worked on enforcing arms export laws, say the changes could undermine efforts to prevent arms smuggling to Iran and others.

Brake pads may sound innocuous, but “the Iranians are constantly looking for spare parts for old U.S. jets,” said Steven Pelak, who recently left the Department of Justice after six years overseeing investigations and prosecutions of export violations.

“It’s going to be easier for these military items to flow, harder to get a heads-up on their movements, and, in theory, easier for a smuggling ring to move weapons,” said William Hartung, author of a recent report on the topic for the Center for International Policy.

Blackhawk helicopter firing Hellfire missile
More than 600 Blackhawk helicopters have been
 exported, but new export rules will make it easier.
In the current system, every manufacturer and exporter of military equipment has to register with the State Department and get a license for each planned export. U.S. officials scrutinize each proposed deal to make sure the receiving country isn’t violating human rights and to determine the risk of the shipment winding up with terrorists or another questionable group.

Under the new system, whole categories of equipment encompassing tens of thousands of items will move to the Commerce Department, where they will be under more“flexible” controls. Final rules have been issued for six of 19 categories of equipment and more will roll out in the coming months. Some military equipment, such as fighter jets, drones, and other systems and parts, will stay under the State Department’s tighter oversight. [...]

Current controls haven’t prevented the U.S. from dominating arms exports up to now: In 2011, the U.S. concluded $66 billion in arms sales agreements, nearly 80 percent of the global market. The State Department denied just one percent of arms export licenses between 2008 and 2010. [...]

[Steven Pelak, who recently left the Department of Justice after six years overseeing investigations and prosecutions of export violations] says the changes will make enforcement harder by getting rid of part of the paper trail as parts and munitions exit the U.S.: “When you take away that licensing record, you put the investigation overseas.” His office handled dozens of cases each year in which military items had been diverted to prohibited countries. The Government Accountability Office raised concerns last year about Commerce’s enforcement abilities as it takes control of exports that once went through the State Department. [...]


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2003Barbour plays race card in MS:

See the guy in the middle, with the blue shirt? That's Haley Barbour, former chief of the Republican Party. He's also running for governor in Mississippi.

The guys around him? Members and sympathizers of the Council of Conservative Citizens. The modern-day version of the KKK, anti-black, anti-Latino, anti-Jew, anti-Gay.


Tweet of the Day:

The House GOP is honoring the memory of Mitt Romney, by not having enough votes
@Will_Bunch



On today's Kagro in the Morning show, we're still in shutdown, but almost at a rejectable compromise! Greg Dworkin on the NBC/Esquire "the new American center" poll, and the 14th amendment vs. the conservatives goal of default. Seven Dems who voted for that rule disarming us on the clean CR. Matt Yglesias on the Vitter amendment. More on Bruce McF's premium bonds. A musical interlude from Lauren Mayer (aka PsychoSuperMom). WaPo: "How the Tea Party broke the Constitution." Chait's "Senators Near Deal on GOP Surrender." More Bruce McF, this time connecting Gop "fungibility" theory with labor boycotts. Interesting!


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  •  981,033 registered users on dKos now. (19+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

    poochy
    ryantorrest (user #981,025: spammer)
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    sclairet
    hlevy15
    RunSpotRun
    Holgar
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    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #980,900: windykacjaskuteczna (spammer)
    #981,000: rkl3dkl

    We've added 178 more users in the last 24 hours.  We're no longer being flooded with all those fake users.


    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, with the government shutdown, all the musical instruments have been furloughed as well, so we've gotta go a cappella for now.  Here's Moosebutter's "Luck O' the Irish".

  •  I just mentioned to my wife that if Eisenhower (21+ / 0-)

    and Kennedy were alive now, they wouldn't recognize this government, and would see it as so unstable as to be a symbol of serious, irretrievable U.S. collapse.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:36:50 PM PDT

  •  I mean, is Obama nuts or what? /nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  "Defense Industry"? (5+ / 0-)

    Look, atheists don't call the Pope, "His Holiness", much less refer to him as God's spokesperson on earth.  If even their critics can't keep themselves from calling these Merchants of Death by anything but an honorable euphemism, they should just go home.  At least call them something neutral, like "arms manufacturers", or "weapons vendors".

    The states must be abolished.

    by gtomkins on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:39:11 PM PDT

    •  I like a polemic as much as the next guy.. (16+ / 0-)

      ...but my goal in writing is to persuade people who don't already agree with me. As true as it may be, "Merchants of Death" is an echo-chamber phrase, resonant for an antiwar song or protest rally cry, but just the kind of thing that flips the off-switch in the heads of many people who might otherwise be allies in the struggle to retreat from militarism.  

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:52:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Fine (4+ / 0-)

        They're "weapons manufacturers" where a neutral term serves your rhetorical aim.  But what rhetorical aim other than lulling people to sleep, convincing them that the current situation is normal and even noble, is served by ever, in any context but one of vicious irony, referring to them as the "defense industry"?

        The states must be abolished.

        by gtomkins on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:58:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I thought combining "weapons as widgets"... (10+ / 0-)

          ...with "defense industry" was being ironic, if not quite viciously so.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:00:08 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Rhetorical disarmament (3+ / 0-)
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            Your point is clearly anti-weapons industry.

            That's not my objection.

            Attacking this legislative maneuver of theirs that treats weaponry the same as widgets, is not anything I would at all criticize.

            That's not my objection.

            My objection is that people who want to end the unthinking acceptance of this bloated industry and this otherwise huge military establishment in peacetime as normal and necessary, should probably not accept that industry's and that establishment's euphemistic and exculpatory abuse of language that fosters that acceptance.

            They changed the name from the frank and honest "War Department" to "Defense Department" at exactly the time in our history when the effective purpose of that institution switched from defense to permanent offense and domination of the rest of the world.  

            They made that name change for a reason.  Where before our practice had been to disarm down to a corporal's guard between wars, we chose instead after WWII to maintain a force structure of a size that only makes sense as a means to achieve world domination.  But that is both a dishonorable and a foolish enterprise, so the pretense had to be maintained that this outsized military establishment, far in excess of anything we could conceivably need for our actual defense, was in fact necessary for "defense".  "Defense" of course had to grow into something unrecognizable to meet the needs of this establishment to defend itself from being thrown on the ash heap of history where it belongs.

            We need to refuse to go along with the name change for exactly the same reason.  Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.  Please don't acquiesce in the absurdity of calling this atrocity a "defense" industry.  

            The states must be abolished.

            by gtomkins on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:02:49 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  MA-05 Primary election results and more, (5+ / 0-)

    Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes. @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.

    by greenbird on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:40:06 PM PDT

    •  Congratulations to Katherine Clark! nt (5+ / 0-)
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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:44:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Clark; mature/entitlements; Sciortino (3+ / 0-)
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        Now that it would not be "bowing to pressure", I hope we see Clark walk back the "mature" willingness to compromise on "entitlements" that the Globe attributed to her.

        Meanwhile, I take consolation from this post-mortum:

        Of the five candidates in the race who were already elected officials, Sciortino has the smallest geographic base, and therefore had the steepest hill to climb.  But, as everybody knows, he came up with by far the best TV ad in the race – and maybe the best ad in Massachusetts in quite a while.  As a result, he finished much higher than might have been expected, and he raised his profile.  I’ve had conversations with people who don’t follow politics closely and don’t live in the district, but who saw and loved the ad, and came away wanting to know more about this interesting young man.  He goes back to the State House a bigger player than when he started this race.
  •  WTF did MSNBC just do??? (6+ / 0-)

    Argh, they completely revamped their website, and changed the links to all their videos.  Now, it looks like they're unembeddable here on DailyKos.  This is what the embed code looks like for one of their videos, where I've replaced the less than/greater than signs with square brackets.  This is Chris's first segment tonight.

    [iframe src='http://player.theplatform.com/... height='500' width='635' scrolling='no' border='no' ][/iframe]

    This format doesn't work here, even though it's the exact same "iframe" command YouTube uses, which does work here.  So I have no clue what's going on here.  Argh.

    Sigh.

  •  Woollard v. Gallagher DENIED cert (5+ / 0-)
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    You heard it first, here at DKos!

    Concealed Carry Law Petitions SCOTUS - Woollard v. Gallagher DENIED cert

    The Daily Kos Firearms Law and Policy group studies actions for reducing firearm deaths and injuries in a manner that is consistent with the current Supreme Court interpretation of the Second Amendment.
    To see our list of original and republished diaries, go to the Firearms Law and Policy diary list. Click on the ♥ or the word "Follow" next to our group name to add our posts to your stream, and use the link next to the heart to send a message to the group if you have a question or would like to join. If you would like to write about firearms law please send us a Kosmail.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:41:37 PM PDT

  •  Obama to push immigration reform after budget deal (9+ / 0-)

    The day after, in fact:

    President Obama vowed Tuesday that he would pursue an immigration reform vote in the House the "day after" Congress reached an agreement to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling.

    "Once that’s done, you know, the day after -- I’m going to be pushing to say, call a vote on immigration reform," Obama told Univision's Los Angeles affiliate. "And if I have to join with other advocates and continue to speak out on that, and keep pushing, I’m going to do so because I think it’s really important for the country. And now is the time to do it."

    The president reiterated his claim that the only thing holding back passage of the Senate's immigration bill is "Speaker Boehner not willing to call the bill on the floor of the House of Representatives."

    Earlier this month, House Democrats introduced their own version of an immigration bill in an attempt to spur Republican action after it appeared that momentum had stalled for immigration reform. The bill largely mirrors the Senate effort, while stripping out some border security provisions added to win Senate GOP votes.

    •  Another article: (5+ / 0-)
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      KayCeSF, solliges, Jeff Y, Aunt Pat, viral
      Obama Will Push Immigration After Fiscal Crisis Is Resolved

      WASHINGTON, Oct 15 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Tuesday that stalled immigration reform would be a top priority once the fiscal crisis has been resolved.

      "Once that's done, you know, the day after, I'm going to be pushing to say, call a vote on immigration reform," he told the Los Angeles affiliate of Spanish-language television network Univision.

      The president's domestic agenda has been sidetracked in his second term by one problem after another. As he coped with the revelation of domestic surveillance programs, chemical weapons in Syria, and a fiscal battle that has shut down the U.S. government and threatens a debt default, immigration has been relegated to the back burner.

      But Obama, who won re-election with overwhelming Hispanic backing, had hoped to make reforms easing the plight of the 11 million immigrants who are in the United States illegally.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
    •  Not a bad idea at all (2+ / 0-)
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      Especially since the House GOP will be reeling and likely at each other throats as the Tea Baggers go apeshit over the "sellout." Push it while they're weak.

      •  Sane GOPers cd benefit from immed Immig bill (1+ / 0-)
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        If sane GOPers' first "defection" on shutdown-ceiling can be followed immediately by a second "defection" on immigration reform, this could have the following benefits to them:

        1. Conflating both defections into one big week of defection, which would immediately become water under the bridge, fading day by day in the short memories of low information voters.

        2.  Opening the door to arguing to Hispanic and other immigrant-sympathetic voters that "Republicans did not veto immigration reform".

        3. Enabling the defectors to try registering more Hispanics as Republicans to protect themselves from primary challenges.

        A danger in the above scenario is that it would tempt Obama-Reid-Pelosi to make too many compromises in the immigration bill in order to seize the moment, and thereby reduce the likelihood of a better bill after the 2014 or 2016 elections.
  •  Comedian Dean Obeidallah talked about... (9+ / 0-)

    Rand Paul's hate speech where he talked about a war with Muslims.  Oh look, my Ron Paul friend chimed in on Dean's Facebook post.  (Y'all should be able to read this, right?)  He finally admits there are some cracks in Rand Paul's armor, so to speak.  Remember, he's Muslim as well.

    Damn Dean. I am a somewhat supporter of Rand but HATE when he pulls this American evangelical type rhetoric that puts him so far from being an actual libertarian. I really enjoyed the last part in which you add: "My hope is that Rand Paul now recognizes that even the most conservative Americans want to hear about policy, not polemics. They want answers, not accusations."

    He's still pandering to an old voting block and needs to realize that if he wants to become president, the younger generation is who he has to appeal to. And sitting around talking about how Muslims and Christians are at "war" isn't a very bright outlook haha

    ....

     that's true but Rand can also garner the cross party appeal since he has an anti-empire stance. I am a republican and work within the party and one of the big issues us libertarians have when running for offices and discussing our issues is do we want to go the Rand or Ron way. What Rand doesn't see is that he doesn't have to appeal to this voting block to win presidency. If he went with a more peaceful tone I think he would gain a lot of support from independents and even liberals. I prefer Ron's way as it is more principled but at the end of the day, Rand isn't the Austrian economist and libertarian philosopher that Ron is. As for the primaries, Rand is already set to win Iowa as the liberty presence in Iowa is alive and very strong. It just sucks because I want Rand to be better since his father is so principled and peaceful but at the end of the day he isn't a libertarian as he's said so before. He's more of a paleo conservative. Rand is a damn good politician though...damn good...and given the pool of potential presidents we have for 2016, I really hope it's him.

    That's your daily dose of "inside the mind of a Paul fan".

    Again, I could write about this with some detached bemusement, or not even worry about what they have to say, if only THEY WEREN'T ABOUT TO PUT OUR ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY INTO DEFAULT IN 24 HOURS AND CAUSE A WORLDWIDE CLUSTERFUCK.

    •  I guess Rand Paul has obliterated ... (10+ / 0-)

      ...with that jingoistic little screed any pretense that he could be spokesman for anti-militarism.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:57:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But as my Ron Paul friend said... (1+ / 0-)
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        despite him being Muslim, and Rand's disgusting hate speech against Muslims, he's still fully on board the Rand Paul '16 train.  And in that conversation, another Muslim Ron/Rand Paul supporter responded:

        I think Rand is doing a great job. Rand said good shit in there. He's not bashing Muslims or saying we need to go to war against the Muslim war. Using what he said here you could argue that he wants to reduce our presence in the middle east and stop drone attacks to take away the biggest recruiting tool for radical jihadists. Plus he says good shit like " not one penny more to nations that burn our flag " that's really a great line I have to say. He's becoming a PR master and knows how to take his Libertarian message and have it apply to all.
        It's like watching blind mice think the butcher's wife can be made to not chase after them with a carving knife.
    •  This actually made me spit pepsi on my (5+ / 0-)

      computer screen. :)

      Rand is a damn good politician though...damn good...
      Randy Paul is a slack jawed troglodyte. Unfortunately, the only people who don't know this are the fan boys/girls who support him.

      But what the heck, it's not like right wingers are big on that whole 'reality' thing. They always have to learn things the hard way. And most of the time even that doesn't stop them from doing the same failed shit again.

      "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:50:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Tomorrow is a pivotal day (12+ / 0-)

    The spotlight is on the "moderate" Republicans in Congress, on Boehner and Cantor.

    Politically it doesn't get any bigger than this.

    If they don't approve the Senate bill we go into uncharted waters and global economic chaos.

    When I came across tea baggers back in 2009 in townhall meetings I never imagined they would get this far.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:48:26 PM PDT

  •  Watching the Boner marriage fall apart and then (1+ / 0-)
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    watch them try to reconcile their differences and then fall apart again today was as tedious as it was pathetic. Boner needs to fess up that his wife has run off with that crazy Cruz kid and his gang of hop heads and just start dating again as hard as that is for the recently divorced. Who knows maybe that old silver back, King from the Island,might be available?

    I just said good nite.

  •  Mainstream media is complicit in the shutdown (9+ / 0-)

    nonsense in spite of the serious faces worn by the hair and teeth. "In depth' report from CBS evening news had a reporter who approached a pertinent discussion with a Wall Street shill who is lobbying "both sides" of the house to pass a debt ceiling hike and end the shutdown.
    When report notes that

    The Chamber of Commerce, in the same White House meeting, joined the United Way and the AFL-CIO and sent a letter to every member of Congress. It urges they end the shutdown immediately because "no one benefits" and "everyone will be harmed if the government defaults."
    the lobbyist remarks
    "The challenge comes in talking to members who don't necessarily agree with all or part of what we're trying to relay and don't necessarily understand or see or agree with our position about the need to get it done," Talbott said.
    Reporter asks if they are mostly Republicans to which he responds (without a challenge, of course)
    They're on both sides," he said. "Both sides of the aisle."
    Okay, so which Democrats are those, pal? Can you count them on one hand or one and a half?
  •  With apologies to the religious, which I'm not. (9+ / 0-)

    "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind."
    I can not think of an epithet more appropriate for the Republican party. In an ironic reversal of terms, this is no less than suicide/murder. They're dragging all of us into the pit.
    Try rewriting that, post-apocalypse, you immaculate maniacs.

    We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

    by franklyn on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:53:44 PM PDT

    •  Oh, the book of Proverbs was likely written (6+ / 0-)

      with Repubs in mind, or people very much like them. Others I like:

      Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

      Intelligent people want to learn, but stupid people are satisfied with ignorance.

      I also will laugh at your disaster. I will mock when calamity overtakes you.

      Therefore his calamity will come suddenly. He will be broken suddenly, and that without remedy.

      When the whirlwind passes, the wicked is no more; But the righteous stand firm forever.

      But I especially like this one:
      Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:22:56 PM PDT

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      •  late-night outhouse talk !! (1+ / 0-)
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        how original and wow ... full of gas.
        and that white stuff ... lime, right ?

        ah, vacation in a dune shack.

        one of the benefits of visual migraines is that sometimes one gets reading-comprehension distortions. one time i was unable to read: just looked at the words, and giggled as i tried to make sense of what i knew and recognized as language ... used my index finger and everything, but it was hopelessly beyond my ability. i loved it, truly, because it was such a stunning alteration of my normal state. very rare, however.

        now i seem to be sensing omens: both kinds:
        two days ago, it was fruit flies and poop.
        yesterday, it was music.
        today, it will be joyous delirium. you'll see.
        something good, but strange, is coming.

        Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes. @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.

        by greenbird on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:24:06 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  So If I Can Get My Widgets Classed as Weapons (7+ / 0-)

    --once again....

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:57:44 PM PDT

  •  Ooh! Some MSNBC videos still work! (5+ / 0-)
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    Sorry Chris, but your format is all fucked up now.  Some of the old sites still work for Rachel and Lawrence, though, so I've been able to get the codes for their videos from tonight.  Steve Kornacki filled in for Rachel tonight, and talked with Robert Costa, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), and Norm Ornstein.

    Lawrence talked with Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Krystal Ball, Ari Melber, Luke Russert, ex-Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-OH), Jared Bernstein, and Mark Patterson.

    If they upgrade those sites by tomorrow and erase the old format, then sorry, I won't be able to provide any videos.  Which seems a very stupid thing for MSNBC to do.  Who was in charge of this redesign, the same people hired to design the health care exchanges website???

    •  glad you were able to post. (0+ / 0-)

      check for missing simple things.

      Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes. @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.

      by greenbird on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:26:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Glenn Greenwald leaving The Guardian (9+ / 0-)

    Apparently it was voluntary, so he can help start a new journalistic endeavor bankrolled by as yet undisclosed but deep pockets. This is something that he's said he's wanted to do for years, under the right conditions, so it's not that surprising to those of us who've been following him. Should be interesting. It will be more than just him, but a whole staff of investigative and adversarial journalists. I can see people like Jeremy Scahill and Laura Poitras joining it.

    Keith? Nah, too big an ego and he's probably happy at ESPN. Plus I think that Glenn once referred to him as a news personality. Ouch.

    TPM had a piece about it here.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:08:08 PM PDT

    •  I don't think it's the case, but (1+ / 0-)
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      one could also read it as, "I got an offer I couldn't refuse." That would be bad news! Heh...

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:04:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Love your sig line... (0+ / 0-)

      Saw the Greenwald story somewhere else earlier.  Surprised me in a way, but I wish him well and just hope I can still get links to his work.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 01:26:02 AM PDT

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  •  Fascinating... (2+ / 0-)
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    I suppose we'll need something to replace the revenue we used to earn from IT and Financial Svcs, both harmed by our government, first by NSA spying and now GOP default-deniers.

    An open market on the equipment/parts needed to manufacture helicopters(drones) and other increasingly miniaturized weaponry?

    Uh.
    Oh.

  •  A question about house rules and procedures (3+ / 0-)
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    this just in, Simplify, NonnyO

    Is there anything about either that prevents Boehner from putting any bill he wants to a floor vote, including whatever emerges from the latest senate negotiation, and then having such a bill be voted on? Could another Repub, either in the leadership or not, a committee chairman perhaps, or Cantor or McCarthy, or a group of them, block it? And if it did come to a vote, could a minority of Repubs still prevent it from passing and going to Obama's desk, even if there were enough votes to pass it?

    Or could Boehner have done this weeks ago, and is just being a dick?

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:18:44 PM PDT

    •  excellent question: I wish I knew the answer /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    •  He can't bring that Bill up for a vote. (1+ / 0-)
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      NonnyO

      On the eve of the shutdown, the House GOP voted to give only the Majority Leader the ability to bring that particular bill to the floor. Usually any member can raise such a motion. Now just Eric Cantor.

      Of course, Boehner acceded to that rule, so he's still asshole número uno. But not because he's holding the trigger at the moment.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 11:35:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Ok, then, Cantor, not Boehner (1+ / 0-)
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        What has kept Cantor from putting it to a vote, other than his own decision not to, for whatever reasons? Can anyone block him from putting it to a vote, or from it getting a vote or that vote being recognized if it's not what most Repubs want? I know that there are things like Motions to Reconsider, but aren't they just delaying, not blocking tactics?

        Basically, if Cantor puts the senate bill to a vote will it be voted on, even if delayed by a variety of parliamentary stalling tactics, or can it still be blocked?

        And it passes, by whatever combination of Dem & Repub votes, does it automatically go to Obama, or can it be blocked, permanently, and if so how?

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 06:02:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  All it takes is majorities. That's it. This whole (1+ / 0-)
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          party is 100% his responsibility. He's got the crossover R votes needed to pass a continuing resolution. That's the nature of the House - majority rules. And since it's been through committee, there aren't any other centers of power to hold it up.

          "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

          by 2020adam on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 10:25:38 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Aren't there parliamentary tricks (1+ / 0-)
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            like motions to proceed, that could push passage beyond the deadline? Or would this be put to a vote as a "non-privileged resolution" or whatever it's called to preclude such maneuvers?

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 10:28:24 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Here's a great diary noting the... (1+ / 0-)
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      seven House Democrats who voted Yea on that rule.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 11:38:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Only Eric Cantor can bring it to a vote (0+ / 0-)

      ... per H. Res. 368 which was just passed 1 Oct 2013.

      The GOP's little rule change they hoped you wouldn't notice

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 01:11:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Well We can't afford the Weapons we make nt (1+ / 0-)
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    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:19:44 PM PDT

  •  Can someone explain why they created (2+ / 0-)
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    Simplify, NonnyO

    these new export rules?

    Also, can someone show the gold barrens in Fort Knox to the world? I guess people doubt how much are there.

    I am confused.

    •  A sop to the weapons industry (1+ / 0-)
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      NonnyO

      to make nice, in compensation for the sequester?

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:06:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Easy answer: $$$$$$$$$$ (2+ / 0-)
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      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

      They already have more money than they can possibly spend in their lifetimes, but if they have even more money, they can buy elections in the US now that Citizens United was given $COTU$ blessing to use money as their First Amendment right to free speech, AND before that they gave personhood rights to corporations (even though they can't vote, but with relaxed rules (and perhaps more to come in this session), they can buy elections and/or pour enough money into negative ads that people will start believing lies and vote accordingly.

      They're playing "King of the Hill" games with our lives and their money.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 01:20:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  One more thing the Tea Party is after (3+ / 0-)
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    The next time there is an Obama on the ballot, he or she might be the greatest candidate in the world; but the Tea Party wants Americans to remember, tiredly, that he/she won't be able to govern, and will, with regret, vote for someone else.  That is one thing that the Tea Party is after.  To terrorize Americans into not voting for a candidate who might provoke Tea Party opposition, just because going through this agony won't be worth it.  I think not counting this one, we are going to go through two more debt crises before the 2014 elections.

    •  An Obama may not be on the ballot, but he and his (2+ / 0-)
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      policies will be pivotal figures in every (R) campaign from senators to school boards in the foreseeable future - just as Clinton (Bill and Hillary) was/is and just as Pelosi was/is. See also: George Soros, ACORN, Unions, Bill Ayers / Weather Underground, Jeremiah Wright, etc. etc. etc.

      The Tea Party will either become an even more annoying and destructive force in the tattered remains of America politics, or they'll be relegated to a thick-walled compound in Northern Idaho with a 5 year supply of ammo, anger and highly-irradiated canned peaches. Probably plenty of Marlboros and Crisco as well.

      To be sure, our side hung the follies and felonies of Bush and Cheney around the necks of damn near every (R) office seeker for quite a few cycles - because that's how the game is played. In fact, we need to do much more of it focusing on the Koch Bros, ALEC, god-bothering anti-rights radicals and the like. This current fiscal crisis will be front and center in 2014 and probably 2016... unless (shudder) something worse happens before then.

      As for "Obamacare", even if that's a raging success it won't make a bit of difference to the Rs -- they'll lie right around it (and over it and under it and through it) - and the gullible (Fox news watchers) and those predisposed to hating everyone and everything "librul" or "Democrat" (Rush listeners) will soak it up like bread on bacon grease.

      Positive messages can still sway sane people, but they're wasted on the fringe so it's best not to even waste the resources.  

      The trick, John Boehner, is not minding that it hurts.

      by here4tehbeer on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 12:50:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Military parts timing deepens Tea/MIC wedge (4+ / 0-)
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    I am impressed by the politically shrewd timing of today's announcement of the military parts export liberalization, because it deepens the wedge between Tea-aholics and the rational parts of the military industrial complex who can clearly see that a non-shut down Obama administration is very beneficial to them.

    The merits of the decision are more complex.  In principle, I think there is some truth to the administration's claims (detailed at this link) that restricting a huge number of small items can interfere with effectively restricting the most important items, although I am sobered by the objections raised by traditional opponents of the weapons trade.

  •  so I don't need a safe if I call them widgets and (1+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO

    a widget suppressor means there aren't any widgets at all

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:39:12 PM PDT

  •  I'm so pissed at the local print media (9+ / 0-)

    outlet in my area right now that I can't even think straight.

    They've been playing the "both sides are to blame" card throughout this entire Republican created clusterfuck (gov't shutdown/default stunt). And this area is represented by two Teabagger congressmen (Kinzinger and Hultgren).

    If anyone can think of something that should be said to them in an e-mail, let me know. I've e-mailed them a few times already and I'd like to send them a few more, but my anger has me drawing blanks right now.

    "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:39:39 PM PDT

    •  Ask for a face-to-face visit. n/t (5+ / 0-)

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:47:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I've talked to the editor before (2+ / 0-)
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        viral, Simplify

        No matter what I say, he claims that their job is to hold "both sides" accountable and that's what they're doing.

        Unfortunately, "both sides" is code for Democrats.

        If people are wondering, this is a perfect example of how Teabagger Congressmen are able to get away with doing crazy shit all the time. The local media supports them, but not in the way Fox news does, they're more subtle about it.

        Here's a perfect example.

        eolson@shawmedia.com - Daily Chronicle.

        DAILY CHRONICLE - Thumbs down: To the failure to govern by our leaders in Washington, D.C. There’s enough blame to go around for both sides in this debacle. Although many politicians are using this crisis as an occasion for grandstanding and drawing attention to themselves, real people are being affected by the crisis in the form of lost wages and being told they are “nonessential.”  Even for those who have not been personally affected, the first government shutdown since the 1990s reduces the public’s faith in government.

        http://www.daily-chronicle.com/...

        "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

        by Jeff Y on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:03:22 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  On at least one front, a wee bit of progress (4+ / 0-)

      Challenge them to follow the LA Times's move? They stopped printing climate change denier articles and letters.

      Simply put, I do my best to keep errors of fact off the letters page; when one does run, a correction is published. Saying "there's no sign humans have caused climate change" is not stating an opinion, it's asserting a factual inaccuracy.
      On letters from climate-change deniers
      By Paul Thornton, October 8, 2013, "Opinion LA," Los Angeles Times

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:15:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Denier (0+ / 0-)

        Good sport. Claim another's position is thus and so - so refutation is not desirable. It's a Logical Fallacy played here as well - Poisoning the Well Argumentation. And coverage is about as accurate as that of the Indian Wars - following the exploits of the troops without much concern for the victims. Rather sounds like Afghanistan and Iraq, hm ? Here, of course, we are alleged to be ignoring misinformed religious zealots paid for by oil companies.
        Pity. Some people just don't understand.
        Retired NASA Scientists Enter Climate Change Fray
        http://stateimpact.npr.org/...

        Olde Phartte ( in Training still )

        by opit on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 10:06:14 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Ask them, "What do you people tell your children (3+ / 0-)
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      you do for a living?
      Crawl out from underneath your desks and turn on the lights. You're reporters!"

      We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

      by franklyn on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:49:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Can "The Simpsons" predict the future? (2+ / 0-)
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    Ender, dano2l

    Why yes, yes they can.

  •  The problem with Export Control (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, Simplify

    is that it is a very complicated issue.  And we are in need of some reform there - classic example is the situation related to spaceflight.  We put everything related to spaceflight onto the ITAR, and we crippled the US satellite industry, and really hurt the US launch industry.  

    •  The So Called Dual Use (2+ / 0-)
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      viral, FerrisValyn

      The Early manned space program was built on retasked/modified  Nuke Missiles (Redstone, Atlas,Titan II)

      Well the Chinese came up with the Long March.

      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:49:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not certain if what you are getting at, but (1+ / 0-)
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        1)  You know how the Chinese got the Long March?   A decent part of it came from deporting Qian Xuesen, not from exporting technology.

        2)  There is a chart I've seen, that shows the history of the launch market, and we went from roughly being in the lead, in the 90s, to basically having no ability to compete in the launch market, thanks to putting all spacecraft on the ITAR.  

        Again, I am not saying there isn't a case for some of this, but there is a need for some reform.  

    •  Yeah, I heard about a situation (0+ / 0-)

      at a US company where they had problems testing a European company's machine, but the European engineering rep wasn't allowed inside the US company's test facility due to export control. It wasn't even classified work...

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:17:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Oxford Reference offers free access (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    OLinda

    for another week because of the shutdown:

    http://www.oxfordreference.com/...

    Shop Liberally this holiday season at Kos Katalog

    by JamieG from Md on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 11:06:13 PM PDT

  •  I'd like to say Fuck You Jerry Brown for... (1+ / 0-)
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    Bush Bites

    I'd like to say Fuck You Jerry Brown for vetoing Drug-Sentencing Reform in CA.

    Senate Bill 649 would have given judges and prosecutors the option of making drug possession charges misdemeanors instead of felonies.
    So once more with feeling,
    Fuck you Jerry Brown you scumbag -
    may you die from having been eaten by fleas.

    Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

    by olo on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 11:38:19 PM PDT

  •  Dear Reichwingnuts, Repukes, & DINOs: (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    Way to go to invite an armed attack on the US with weapons we manufactured!

    NOT...!!!

    Seems to me you all sure want that nuclear holocaust to happen.  WHY?  Don't you know that the people you hate aren't the only ones who will die when that happens...?  You will die a horrible death, too.

    At least wait until after I'm dead of natural causes before you go off the deep end in a final lack of judgment so I don't have to wonder why a supreme deity didn't make your mothers miscarry the unnaturally twisted sperm and egg that made you.  You are seriously insane.

    9dbc728682bf47bf8de11b6

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 12:50:27 AM PDT

  •  Out of Context, Just for fun! (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    This does make total sense in context, I swear.

    conversations that make no sense are one of the things that make conservatives so attractive.

    by kamrom on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 01:09:00 AM PDT

  •  The DoD needs to start paying as it goes (1+ / 0-)
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    Superpole

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 03:18:52 AM PDT

  •  Spare Parts (0+ / 0-)

    Lets see,

    Iran needs spare parts for all those F-14 and other jets we sold them years ago.

    The administration wants Iran to cooperate with the world on nuclear weapons proliferation.

    The administration makes it easier to export "spare parts" for jets.

    Iran cooperates and negotiates on nuclear policies.

    I don't see any connection, do you?

    Excuse me while I board that black helicopter for destination unknown...

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