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Yes, they really believe that.  

A majority of Republicans are so divorced from reality that they actually believe that passing the debt ceiling deadline will not cause economic problems for the United States.  In a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center between October 9-13, 2013, Pew noted that unlike the Democrats,

Republican views tilt in the opposite direction, with about half (52%) saying the country can go past this deadline without major economic problems.  This includes a 56% majority of conservative Republicans, while moderate and liberal Republicans are divided. Opinions among both Republicans and Democrats have shown little change over the past week.

A sizable share of conservative Republicans say it is not just a matter of when the debt limit should be increased, but whether it should be raised at all. Overall, 43% of conservative Republicans believe the U.S. can not only go past the deadline, but also say that raising the debt ceiling is not needed at all. Roughly half (52%) of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who agree with the Tea Party say it is not necessary, now or ever, to raise the debt ceiling.

I guess this is what happens when you listen to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and follow Tea Party Republicans like Senator Cruz.  Unfortunately, unless the Republican Party wakes up and becomes reality based in the next two days, these Republicans will find out exactly how wrong they are.  The expected results of a default are likely to include an economic downturn, permanent damage to the U.S. in the eyes of the world, and increased interest rates on money borrowed by the U.S.  

By contrast, the Democrats appear to be more grounded in reality.  

Two-thirds (67%) of Democrats say that raising the debt limit by Oct. 17 is absolutely essential to avoid an economic crisis. This includes 71% of liberal Democrats and 66% of conservative and moderate Democrats.

The Pew poll was based on a sample size of 1504 which included residents of all 50 states.   It has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9% for the total sample and plus or minus 5.7% for the Republican sample.

There are other interesting findings in the Pew Poll which you can read by viewing the link above.  Among the other interesting findings is that Senator Reid's favorability rating among Democrats has increased from 29% in January to 47% today.

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  •  Yikes. If only (5+ / 0-)

    things like the impact of not raising the debt ceiling were decided by what we wish would happen rather than the hard cold realities of what really happens when you don't pay your bills.

    "I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization." - United States Supreme Court Associate Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (Republican) -8.12, -5.18

    by ncarolinagirl on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:07:23 PM PDT

  •  They're Not Divorced From Reality. (6+ / 0-)

    They're wedded to an antireality fabricated and distributed to them by global ownership.

    They accept the delusion of our Framers that society freed from government propaganda will naturally inform the people pertinently and accurately.

    Neither group is crazier or saner than the other.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:10:15 PM PDT

  •  "You want this, don't you?" (1+ / 0-)
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    "I am unarmed. Take your debt ceiling and strike me down with it, and your journey to the idiot side will be complete!!"

    Emperor Republatine.

    Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

    by Bobs Telecaster on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:11:16 PM PDT

  •  "Party of business" my pasty white tuchis! n/t (5+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:12:22 PM PDT

    •  Y'know, that's the part that has eluded me (2+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, wasatch

      this whole time. You'd expect Wall Street to be screaming at them: Don't Do This! What, Are You Fucking Crazy? Don't Expect Another Dime From Me!

      Apparently the Teahadists either didn't get the memo, or they think it doesn't apply to them.

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:53:39 PM PDT

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      •  It appears to me that after several times when (3+ / 0-)
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        AuroraDawn, JeffW, wasatch

        it is resolved at the last minute, has lulled Wall Street in believing that this crisis will too be solved and the debt limit raised short of default.  

        I have been waiting for the markets to go in free fall because I thought that this would give the Republicans an incentive to compromise.  But appears that instead, the markets have been just sitting and waiting for a deal to happen, confident that it will in fact happen.  

    •  Not just that, but the "Party of Adults". (2+ / 0-)
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      Do you remember that BS line from the early Bush II years? I seem to recall Tweety using it more than once to explain why Cheney and Bush had "defeated" Al Gore.

      It appears that the Party of Adults is in dire need of a nap and diaper change.

      As for rising inequality, many on the right don’t even think it’s a problem...Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less ~ E.J. Dionne

      by AuroraDawn on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:28:08 PM PDT

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  •  Take it again (6+ / 0-)

    After they've missed a few SS checks. I bet at that point it goes about 95% in favor of raising the limit, or eliminating entirely. Although they will probably still blame Obama.

    Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

    by corwin on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:14:58 PM PDT

  •  These people make the Know-Nothing Party look like (4+ / 0-)
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    the fah-reakin' Brainiac Party.

    "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

    by Mogolori on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:44:03 PM PDT

  •  They think the debt ceiling is like a credit card (7+ / 0-)


    You try to charge dinner over your credit limit and the charge is denied. You get embarrassed and pay in cash.

    They have no idea that not supporting the debt ceiling would close every restaurant in the country and many in other countries as well.

    Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

    by 88kathy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 08:50:45 PM PDT

  •  I'd be alright if they renounced gravity (9+ / 0-)

    and started walking off cliffs, too, but not if all of us have to go with them.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:11:31 PM PDT

  •  There is a flaw in that poll (4+ / 0-)
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    It mentioned "liberal Republicans". That animal doesn't exist. It has been extinct for decades.

      As for not raising the debt ceiling, they are totally correct. If you immediately don't want to pay for Social Security, Medicare, and a host of expensive wars and weapons programs, you don't have to raise the ceiling.

      I wonder if any of those old, white people voting Republican realize that their SS checks would stop?

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:00:04 PM PDT

  •  If the conservative bubble told them... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...that it was necessary to eat their own feces to defeat the marxists, they'd all have literal shit-eating-grins the next day.

    Oh, and then they'd be acting very superior about progressives being sheep.

  •  Well, it wouldn't be necessary if (2+ / 0-)
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    1) the law setting it in place were revoked


    2) the flow of tax revenue into the Treasury were more rapid and greater in volume

    But, if either of those pertained, the unearned income crowd would be even more distressed. They're already aware that the foreigners who park their excess dollars at the U.S. Treasury would be content to do so for no interest at all. If they can't count on their dollars multiplying on their own, what's to become of the bond clippers? They'll have to spend capital just to live.

    Railing against the deficit is a lot like railing against fornication.

    The debt ceiling is like a chastity belt.

  •  Ignorant, Misinformed Fools in Media Bubble (1+ / 0-)
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    What more can I say?

    We have seen the GOP come to represent the traditional anti-intellectual, No-Nothing element that has always been a part of the American tradition.

    The GOP and its media noise machine, led by the Faux Noise Nutwork, have made me add the term "epistemic closure" to my vocabulary.

    The phrase is being used as shorthand by some prominent conservatives for a kind of closed-mindedness in the movement, a development they see as debasing modern conservatism’s proud intellectual history. First used in this context by Julian Sanchez of the libertarian Cato Institute, the phrase “epistemic closure” has been ricocheting among conservative publications and blogs as a high-toned abbreviation for ideological intolerance and misinformation.

    ‘Epistemic Closure’? Those Are Fighting Words

    These people live in a right wing media bubble of alternate reality. They truly believe the disinformation, lies, and general bullsh*t they have been spoon fed for nearly two decades now.
    November 27, 2012

    Republicans are responding to their recent losses not by moderating their rhetoric or rethinking their policy preferences, but by retreating deeper into the conservative bubble -- and hardening it lest any objective reality intrude.
    That cocoon is about to grow, and William McGurn may get more, if not better, conservative spin. According to CL Atlanta, “Cox Media Group, the parent company of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, plans to launch an 'independent (nonpartisan), anti-propaganda' national news website for conservative audiences that is 'rooted in the South away from the right and left coasts.'" Because Fox and the rest of the dedicated right-wing media apparently aren't enough.
    The new “national news website for conservative audiences” will no doubt parrot Paul Ryan's line that Obama didn't win a mandate to govern “because [voters] also reelected the House Republicans." Never mind that House Democrats won the popular vote and the GOP retained its majority largely due to skillful gerrymandering following the 2010 Census.
    Safely ensconced in their bubble, the conservative movement isn't sparing a moment for introspection, and certainly isn't going to change its tune anytime soon. Most believe the election was somehow illegitimate – either because Obama managed to bribe voters with “gifts,” as Mitt Romney sees it, or because Americans were hoodwinked. A conspiracy theory that massive voter fraud delivered Obama a second term has moved from the fringes – from Dean Chambers, the “unskewed polls” guy – to Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who this week told a right-wing talk radio host that it was highly suspicious that Obama lost in all of the states that passed voter ID laws (all deep red states where Democrats never win, of course).

    The Right-Wing Media Bubble Cocoons Republicans from Adapting to the New Political Landscape The right can't confront the reality of their demographic challenges.

    "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there." “When you come to the fork in the road, take it.” --Yogi Berra

    by HeartlandLiberal on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 03:52:00 AM PDT

  •  Man, if not most, American citizens are (0+ / 0-)

    financially illiterate. They live paycheck to paycheck, they have very little savings, they don't own stock unless it's in an IRA or 401K they pay almost no attention to, they don't know the difference between a stock and a bond, etc.

    About the only thing that impacts their day to day lives is the interest rate since that determines how much car or house they can buy and what the rate is on their credit cards.

    I'm not blaming them for not being informed, I'm just saying that's the way it is.

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 06:25:35 AM PDT

  •  Part of the problem is the terminology... (0+ / 0-)

    People understand credit card limits.  That's how much you can borrow.  They also understand that you can't miss payments without penalty.

    However, the nihilist GOP has exploited the term "debt ceiling" to invoke "credit card limit" in the minds of most of the ill-informed party members.

    Sarah Palin used that terminology just yesterday in one of her speeches.  She thinks the debt ceiling is the "credit card limit" for our nation.

    I'm sure someone is clever enough to come up with a different term for "debt ceiling" that resonates with voters its true meaning.  Republicans rename things all the time.  Why shouldn't we?

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