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Just saw this article about a man, Kristopher Oswald, helping a woman whom was being assaulted in a Walmart parking lot.  

He was fired from said location for violating "company policy".

Follow me over the fold as we explore what this says about Corporate America and their less than American values.

We know from Wiki, that Walmart employs over 1.4 million Americans.  The average employee makes $8.81 an hour, translating to $15,556 a year at "full time" (34 hours a week).

Now Kristopher was a new hire, most likely only a holiday seasonal employee and was still within his 180 day probationary period.  Walmart could have fired him for any reason, he was given paperwork stating:

“after a violation of company policy on his lunch break, it was determined to end his temporary assignment.”
So I must ask a few questions:

1. Was Walmart justified in firing an employee that saved a woman's life?

2.  Is human life now less valuable than "corporate policy"?

3.  What would you have done in this situation?

It's clear to me that Walmart had every legal right to fire Kristopher for a violation of their policies.  They've been doing this for years.  In fact, They fired a Store Manager of 10 yrs after he stopped an attack on an employee by her husband.

Hell, they fired four employees after they had detained a shoplifter:

4 Layton Walmart employees fired after disarming gunman caught shoplifting

LAYTON — The shoplifter smashed Gabriel Stewart up against a wall.

It didn't take him long to realize that pressure against his lower back was from a loaded gun held by a desperate man who didn't want to go to jail. The gunman had a firm grip on Stewart's shoulder, telling him and three of his Walmart co-workers, "Don't make me do this."

“Absolutely time stopped,” Stewart told KSL. “I didn’t know what to do.”

Instantly, Shawn Ray and Justin Richins kicked into gear, spinning the gunman around. Lori Poulsen ripped the gun away and secured it. They all held on to the man until police arrived minutes later.

So, it seems Walmart is keeping with it's Corporate Policies, sort of:
Harassment and Inappropriate Conduct

Harassment of any type, whether directed at a co-worker, supplier, customer or anyone doing business with Wal-Mart, will not be tolerated. Harassment is broadly defined and includes conduct which negatively interferes with work performance, diminishes the dignity of any person or which creates an intimidating, hostile or otherwise offensive work environment.

Verbal, visual or physical conduct of a sexual nature is inappropriate in the work place and may be unlawful sexual harassment. Examples include:

•      Sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, foul language, off-color jokes, remarks about a person’s body or sexual activities;
•      Displaying sexually suggestive pictures or objects, suggestive looks or leering, or suggestive communication in any form; or
•      Inappropriate touching.

Additionally, Wal-Mart will not tolerate violent acts or threats of violence on Wal-Mart property or while engaged in Wal-Mart business.

Things to Remember!

•      Do not make insulting or offensive remarks. If one of your comments or jokes offends someone else, it may be seen as harassing.

•      If you are upset by a person’s choice of words, speak up and tell that person. Explain why the comments offend you, and ask the person to stop.

•      Avoid making jokes or comments or using nicknames if you question their appropriateness.

•      Do not make sexual advances to another Associate or person with whom you work.

•      Do not show favoritism on performance evaluations or in other actions based on personal relationships.

•      Immediately report any act of Harassment or Inappropriate Conduct.

•      For additional information refer to the Harassment/Inappropriate Conduct Policy, PD-19, and the Workplace Violence Policy, PD-48, or the corresponding national or local policies.

In life or death situations, Walmart's Corporate Policy demands you stand there and do nothing, even if it means someone will die:
Wal-Mart's pros & cons

Walmart focuses on protecting their properties rather their consumers. Walmart parking lot violence is a major issue in America. In the US alone within the last 10 years 200 people have died in the parking lots or have been victims in the parking lot and then taking elsewhere. Woman have been raped, people have been robbed and assaulted and WalMart with it's 100's of cameras and security guards are more focused on spying on employees than protecting their consumers.

I keep asking myself, how'd we get to this point in this nation?  Where the good guy gets screwed?

Does Walmart's corporate policies violate our Good Samaritan Laws?

Here in New York, you can't be sued if you help someone, even if you don't know what you're doing:

The public policy behind the law is:

    The furnishing of medical assistance in an emergency is a matter of vital concern affecting the public health, safety and welfare. Prehospital emergency medical care, the provision of prompt and effective communication among ambulances and hospitals[,] and safe and effective care and transportation of the sick and injured are essential public health services.
    —N.Y. Public Health L. § 3000.

Or worse, our Depraved Indifference laws?
To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.
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**UPDATE**

This just in, Walmart has decided to give Kristopher his job back!  WE WIN!!!!

YAHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wal-Mart returns job to worker who stopped attack

"We looked into the situation, reviewed the facts, talked to witnesses," Brooke Buchanan, a spokeswoman for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., said Friday. "While Mr. Oswald broke a policy of ours — a policy put in place to protect our associates and our customers ... we realize Mr. Oswald's intentions were good."

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So I'll ask again:

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  •  Tip Jar (21+ / 0-)

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 08:11:39 AM PDT

  •  From management's POV this (3+ / 8-)

    makes perfect sense - after all, if the woman being assaulted had only had the common sense to buy a gun and ammunition while in the store, the assault in the parking lot never would have happened.

    Or so I've been told right here at DailyKos by the RBKA types.

    Since she was obviously a dumbass in that regard, too bad for her!

    •  Insulting, but I guess you knew that before you (21+ / 0-)

      hit post.  And your posting is clearly meant to be a dick and not discuss these issues honestly.  If this wasn't my diary, I'd HR your posting for it's content and false innuendo and distraction.

      BUT to appease my curiosity, could you provide evidence for this?

      Who, when and where did any of the members of RKBA, which I am one, ever say it was a victims fault for not being armed?

      Where did any manager from Walmart ever say this?  

      If you fail to provide evidence, I'll demand you be sanctioned for your lies and behaviors.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 08:32:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah, whatevs. (10+ / 0-)

      As gerrilea said, when have we RKBA Kossacks ever said that?

      •  You pro-gun types are super-sensitive! (2+ / 0-)
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        wonder why.

        But at least you know what gender-based insults are acceptable at this site, good on you for that!

        •  Some light reading, illuminating your issue (6+ / 0-)

          with gender-based insults:
          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          So if you have a problem, it's likely not with "super-sensitive" RKBA-types.  
          Try "upper management" instead.

          •  Kos also uses the term "gun nut" (1+ / 0-)
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            So there's that.

            I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

            by coquiero on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:21:35 PM PDT

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            •  Wonder how often *he's* been hide-rated (1+ / 0-)
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              over that!

            •  Demo's also used to use the term (4+ / 0-)

              "baby killers" & spit on Vets

              So there's that.

              Who is mighty ? One who turns an enemy into a friend !

              by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:57:40 PM PDT

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              •  Who and what (2+ / 0-)
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                the hell are you talking about?

                I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

                by coquiero on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:06:56 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Vietnam? I keep seeing images from one of (3+ / 0-)
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                  those Tom Cruise movies, "Born on the 4th of July", perhaps??? Or Platoon, or Full Metal Jacket, good god there were so many movies about it.

                  But I do recall, we (our society), treated the Vietnam Vets like shit when they came home, I was just 10 yrs old when it ended.

                  -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                  by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:23:48 PM PDT

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                  •  I am sure (2+ / 0-)
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                    you can find a picture or video of it then.  Just because Rambo said it in a movie doesn't mean it happened.  For one thing, people didn't fly commercial, and they flew from base to base.  So in order to spit on a returning baby killer, hippies would need to get past the guards.  Didn't happen.  What actually happened was hippies stopped the war.  They were the hero's.

                    It puts the lotion on its skin

                    by Nada Lemming on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 02:41:27 PM PDT

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                    •  it did happen. it was my generation. it did (5+ / 0-)

                      happen.

                      please don't re-write history because you don't like what happened.  we need to face the good, the bad and the ugly if we are to prevent recurrence.

                      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                      by edrie on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 03:00:56 PM PDT

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                      •  I've heard this charge many times (2+ / 0-)
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                        I've challenged those who have made the charge. Not once did any of these folks actually witness such an incident.

                        It may have happened but it has been grossly overstated.

                        A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

                        by slatsg on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:23:16 PM PDT

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                        •  I challenge you to correct President Obama then. (4+ / 0-)
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                          President Obama Decries Treatment of Vietnam Vets in Speech

                          “You were often blamed for a war you didn’t start, when you should have been commended for serving your country with valor. You were sometimes blamed for misdeeds of a few, when the honorable service of the many should have been praised. You came home and sometimes were denigrated, when you should have been celebrated.”
                          You need to actually read history and firsthand experiences of the thousands that say it did happen.

                          This bullshit you're trying to pass off infuriates me to no end.  

                          You cannot whitewash our actual history, not in my presence.

                          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                          by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:19:42 AM PDT

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                          •  thank you and i'm joining you in this challenge. (2+ / 0-)
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                            people can not be allowed to rewrite history to that which makes them more "comfortable".  i remember very well the news (when there was REAL news) showing vets returning home to the screams of "baby-killers" - the treatment of returning vets was horrific.  i was adamantly against the viet nam war but not the troops who were drafted and sent to that situation without choice.

                            the problems i see in politics today are all wrapped up in this denial - if people are uncomfortable with the past, pretend it didn't exist.

                            i'll join you every time in countering the bullshit claims that this never happened.  it happened to MY classmates and friends who were drafted and survived.

                            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                            by edrie on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 11:39:23 AM PDT

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                          •  I remember my cousins coming home and (2+ / 0-)
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                            my Aunt's being worried something would happen if they were seen in their military uniforms and my Dad, being the Marine he was, made it clear he'd wipe the floor clean with those "pussywillowed bastards" if anyone said anything.

                            It was a true disgrace what our fellow "Americans" did to them.

                            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                            by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 12:14:19 PM PDT

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                          •  i remember all too well those homecomings. (1+ / 0-)
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                            and, yes, it was a disgrace.

                            the treatment of viet nam vets was despicable.  they were drafted - the majority did not CHOOSE to go yet they were blamed for that war.

                            today, even though there is no draft, many soldiers joined out of economic necessity - so theirs isn't really a "choce", either.

                            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                            by edrie on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 01:00:02 PM PDT

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                          •  Ugh, please don't get me going on the point (1+ / 0-)
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                            that we're being forced into perpetual poverty to enrich our corporate overlords.

                            But we have an all "voluntary" army! And if you don't like your slave-waged job, get another one!

                            Ughhhhhhhh.

                            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                            by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 01:25:47 PM PDT

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                          •  Read what I wrote (1+ / 0-)
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                            I said that when challenged, no one who made that charge could back it up. I also indicated that it has been overstated. I was very active in the anti-war movement and none of my associates ever harassed returning vets. I grew up in a working class neighborhood and know plenty of Vietnam vets. Not one claimed to be harassed when he came home. What bothered them most was the indifference by all, especially by those who supported the war.

                            You can become as infuriated as you wish, but I will not remain silent when the actions of a relatively small group of people are used to impugn the movement.

                            I also note that the President didn't mention that the most serious issue was not the treatment when the soldiers came home but rather the fact that they were sent to Vietnam in the first place.

                            A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

                            by slatsg on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 06:54:13 PM PDT

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                          •  I've provided you with firsthand experiences (0+ / 0-)

                            through legitimate links to our Oral History.

                            Being "very active in the anti-war movement" I respect and support.  Your efforts helped end an illegal "police action" that forced our government to rethink the vast authority wielded by any President.  I'm truly grateful for your efforts.

                            But your limited experiences do not negate the reality many vets experienced and many more had to guard against upon returning.  

                            How this has become about you and not those thousands that were the true victims is mystifying to me.  This isn't about you or your honest efforts doing what you believed, really.

                            My position is very clear, I know what my own family members experienced, their fears and uncertainty of what they would be facing when they returned home.  Having to change out of uniform, hiding their honorable service to this nation. And the reactions my family had against the "anti-war" movement.  You weren't well liked in my family, those are the facts of history, not anything less.

                            Your claims that "I didn't see it" does not change the facts that it did happen and happened in ways and in areas you couldn't have realized.  What I see occurring here, you wish to paint yourself in a better light than history reveals.  That's okay, I understand, when we look back we don't see the bad things we did, we tend to "soften the edges" when we share our experiences, beliefs and goals.  It's the thing we humans do.

                            Forcing positive change in society comes with a price and there were many unintended victims of your efforts.  Extremists exist, they always have and always will and they forced our national conscience away from honoring our troops and doing what was right when they returned home.  Their extremism permeated our society in ways that effected my own family and my own perceptions of our created government.

                            Take responsibility for your actions, accept both the good and the bad that came from it.  And I promise, I won't look too badly upon you when you do.  In fact, I'm grateful people like you existed, creating a history we can draw upon and emulate when our leaders stop listening to us.

                            All said, please stop trying to re-write our history, it does none of us any good.

                            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                            by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:49:44 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  So anecdotal evidence (0+ / 0-)

                            from someone we've never met should accepted as fact.  My pet chupacabra refuses to believe you.  

                            It puts the lotion on its skin

                            by Nada Lemming on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 01:11:30 PM PDT

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                          •  In today's world of misinformation, disinformation (0+ / 0-)

                            and propaganda, I'd take the firsthand experiences over anyone trying to rewrite history to intentionally make themselves look better.

                            And I seriously thought you were a better person that to accuse me of being a liar.

                            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                            by gerrilea on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 02:42:21 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  i was there at the time too (0+ / 0-)

                            And hippies weren't going to military bases and being let on the tarmac.  You are talking about a line in a Rambo movie.  

                            It puts the lotion on its skin

                            by Nada Lemming on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:51:50 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Where you standing beside me in (0+ / 0-)

                            Binghamton, New York when I was 10 yrs old with my parents and my family at the Binghamton Greyhound Station when my cousin came home?

                            I think you need to refresh your memories, because mine are perfectly clear, even to this day.

                            Continue to call me a liar and I'll demand you be held accountable under our site rules.

                            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                            by gerrilea on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 10:18:47 PM PDT

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                        •  Here's a link to South Dakota's Oral History (3+ / 0-)
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                          Project.

                          It's a pdf and yes, it really happened.

                          http://history.sd.gov/...

                          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                          by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:35:29 AM PDT

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                •  talking 'bout (4+ / 0-)

                  the efficacy of Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment.

                  Thou shalt not speak ill of another gun owning Democratic voter. Were 40% of the party.

                  Who is mighty ? One who turns an enemy into a friend !

                  by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 02:04:03 PM PDT

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    •  H/R for thread hijack, trolling, and general (10+ / 0-)

      asshattery.

      There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

      by Crookshanks on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:55:47 AM PDT

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      •  Spoken as a true gun nut (3+ / 3-)
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        Hidden by:
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        thanks for  not disappointing me!!

        •  Uprating - I don't accept "gun nut" as an insult (4+ / 0-)
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          I'm taking a stand on this one.  It's silly.  These HRs are because people don't agree with the original comment.

          Unless you consider "car nut" or "cheese nut" or "coffee nut" to be an insult, then you really should re-think HRing "gun nut".  

          I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

          by coquiero on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 11:30:02 AM PDT

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          •  It depends on how thin-skinned one is, I suppose (5+ / 0-)

            and the pro-gun (is * that * description allowed?) types no doubt have a lot to be thin-skinned about these days.

            The irony is that my initial post was meant to pile on the bashing of Walmart - but that was apparently secondary to any perceived gun bashing in my post.

            Oh well, live and learn!

            •  You know, I read it twice, first I thought it was (6+ / 0-)

              snark, then I read it again and realized you may have been "bashing Walmart" but you then accused us members of the RKBA group of things I know we've never said or supported, not in the way you implied, I was personally insulted.

              I had hoped to explore if and when we should help one another and if this corporate conditioning many millions are exposed to, changes our society for the worse.

              Violence will continue to escalate if we allow our morality to be dictated to us.  

              I live by few standards:

              1. Do no intentional harm to others.
              2. Live and let live.
              3. If when the opportunity arises and you can make a difference in someone's life, you must.

              I'd like to believe we can change the future by changing today.  If I stand there and watch you get beaten to death and I could have stopped it, am I not as guilty as those whom did?

              Yes.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:13:25 PM PDT

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              •  Look, I had no freakin' idea you were a RBKA'er (3+ / 0-)
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                when I made my comment.

                If you're going to be so fuckin' thin skinned, at least have the courtesy to identify yourself upfront.  I saw no indication of this in the diary or it's tags.

                Then I'll stay away from the get-go and not make any attempt to do anything like dis Walmart's pro-gun culture.

                Which seems to have mightily offended this site's gun enthusiasts.

          •  I HRed the comment (10+ / 0-)

            and it's not about RKBA to me -- I'm not on RKBA's side. It was an insult, it was obviously intended to be an insult, and your uprate is inappropriate.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:52:16 PM PDT

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          •  That's interesting. (8+ / 0-)

            If you, personally, don't take an insult as an insult, it doesn't count.

            I just have to wonder if everyone could use that excuse and get away with it...

            Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

            by theatre goon on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:10:53 PM PDT

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          •  Uprating insults? (6+ / 0-)

            Why am I not surprised? And where did you ever get the idea that you have the right to tell people what terms they do and do not find insulting? You sound like one of the clueless jerks I see on sports boards lecturing others about how the team name "Redskins" is meant to honor Native Americans.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:44:00 AM PDT

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      •  And holy shit, I make an anti-Walmart (2+ / 0-)
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        management post and your gang hide rates me for no discernible reason at all.

        Seriously, have you totally lost perspective?

        •  "Anti-Walmart management?" (7+ / 0-)

          More like you saw a diary written by a RKBA member which had nothing to do with guns & you chose to provoke a fight.

          -7.25, -6.26

          We are men of action; lies do not become us.

          by ER Doc on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 11:51:29 AM PDT

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        •  Really? Bullshit. (3+ / 0-)
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          Or so I've been told right here at DailyKos by the RBKA types.

          Since she was obviously a dumbass in that regard, too bad for her!

          You should consider providing the evidence asked for, or de-fornicating yourself.

          Your hate-mail will be graded.

          by PavePusher on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:32:47 PM PDT

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          •  Everyone who claims that RBKA'ers (1+ / 0-)
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            don't peddle the "defensive gun use" meme at DailyKos are being incredibly disingenious ( I simply refuse to believe that anyone is actually that naive or uninformed).

            Especially a certain one who deigned to hide rate me  without comment - he's a totally flaming advocate of that!

            •  Okay, how the hell does us pointing out the (6+ / 0-)

              fact that millions of Americans defending themselves with the most effective tool man has ever created EQUALS to us saying it's the victim's fault for not being armed?

              How truly insulting that upthread YOU BLAMED ME for not telling you I was a member of the group!

              You've got caught in your own shit stirring games and you're doubling down, how freaking unbelievable.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 05:27:13 PM PDT

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              •  Guns are the most effective tool man (0+ / 0-)

                has ever invented?

                Really??

                sheesh, the crazy continues to multiple.

                And yes, I blame you for not pointing out that you were a member of the craziest group here at Daily Kos.  Seriously, put a disclaimer on your diaries that you'll summon your cronies to pile on the hide rates at any mention of anti-gun sentiment.   It's simply a common courtesy.

                Especially when putting "Walmart" and "violence" in the same diary title and acting all offended-like that I pointed out the incredibly obvious link between Walmart's most obvious connection to violence (i.e., selling guns and ammunition).

                •  The most effective tool... (5+ / 0-)

                  ...for self-defense.

                  That was quite evident, when read in context.  Or, perhaps, you chose to take it out of context to continue with the personal attacks...?  

                  You do seem to go to some effort to engage in such insults, so it wouldn't seem out of character.

                  Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

                  by theatre goon on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 03:48:56 AM PDT

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                •  I've reported your continued malicious behaviors (5+ / 0-)

                  but let's make one thing clear.

                  With the invention of the firearm, the masses were no longer at the mercy of their masters, or those that wished to be.

                  The kings, potentates and ruling elite no longer held a monopoly on force.

                  You see, I know and understand human history.  You may wish to call me crazy for knowing it but it doesn't change the facts.

                  And as for "walmart and gun violence", I think you're creating a demon where none exists to justify your personal attacks against me and a group I'm a member of.

                  How you got from an employee being fired for protecting a customer from being beaten to death to Walmart's gun policies is beyond me.

                  There were no guns involved, were there?  And in my diary I pointed out how they fired other employees after an armed shoplifter was subdued.  Clearly negating your premise here.

                   

                  -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                  by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:13:28 AM PDT

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                  •  yes, it's simply crazy to say that guns (0+ / 0-)

                    are the most effective tool man invented, no matter how your apologists spin the statement (as above).

                    But you know what's an order a magnitude crazier still? that that view is accepted here at an allegedly "progressive" website.

                    •  And now allegations of mental illness... (4+ / 0-)
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                      ...to go along with the, apparently, intentional misrepresentation of what was actually stated.

                      Yes, these are compelling tactics, indeed.  Not particularly honest, of course, but hey, go with what you've got, I guess...

                      Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

                      by theatre goon on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 06:29:18 AM PDT

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                    •  You're hatred is coloring your perceptions (4+ / 0-)
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                      of historical facts.  I'm offended that you are continuing these ad hominems and assaults.

                      Stick to the facts, something I know you're capable of, we've debated things through the years and I've never seen you this obstinate and abusive.

                      History shows us with the invention and mass distribution of the firearm, people became free.  It's has changed the course of human history, for the better.  You may not like this, that's okay, it doesn't matter really.

                      History also shows us when people are unilaterally disarmed, they become victims of their oppressive governments.  This too cannot be denied.

                      These facts aside, we "progressives" have supported such policy initiatives that are summed up very well in this Salon article:

                      Progressive genocide

                      Among the many concerns that captivated the American educated class early in the last century, few were thought to be as urgent as the threat posed to the nation by sexually insatiable female morons.

                      -cut-

                      It’s lately become fashionable to reckon with growing ignorance among one’s countrymen by threatening to emigrate to Canada; for American intellectuals of an earlier generation the more obvious solution was forced sterilization.

                      -cut-

                      Bruinius concludes his book by wondering whether modern scientific advances in genetics and bioengineering could usher in “a tipping point in which genocide — cultural, ethnic, or genetic — can seem a rational and desirable goal?”

                      The reality of how our "progressive cause" has been misdirected and co-opted by "men of reason" and used as a tool of oppression, must be acknowledged and defended against.  

                      This is where we must part ways on what it means to be "progressive".  I will not allow you to re-write history or manipulate it to suit your dogma.  And I use that term "dogma" intentionally.

                      I'd define myself as a Liberal Progressive Constitutionalist Democrat, one whom believes the power of the State can be a force for good including but not limited to:

                        1.  universal health care (not mandatory health insurance),
                        2.  living wage jobs,
                        3.  union membership and it's expansion
                        4.  holding corporations and their henchmen accountable
                        5.  and more importantly, Equity Under Law,

                      whereby all our rights are protected and expanded, not abrogated.

                      This "force for good" must do these things and do so in a manner that is within the confines of our constitution, the supreme law of this land.  If not, we'll find ourselves electing another "Democratic" President that tell me their policies are that of a moderate fucking Republican. Or worse, where the law becomes illegitimate in the eyes of the people and we're thrown out of office. And we're forced to endure another fucking 30 yrs of "trickle down" bullshit!

                      When you intentionally use labels such as "gun nut", or "apologist" you aren't here to elect more or better Democrats.

                      I am.

                      And as a non-gun owner, I'll stand against your machinations that have evolved into a dogma meant to silence those of us that see it for what it is, destructive to our party, our rights and our Nation.

                      Deal with it.

                      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                      by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:33:30 AM PDT

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                •  If you think (6+ / 0-)

                  it's a pile on then report it... I'm sure admin won't view your behavior as a diary hijack...

                  "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

                  by happy camper on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:47:18 AM PDT

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                  •  I'm sure they won't either (0+ / 0-)

                    especially if they simply take the time to read my posts and are aware of how Walmart has massively contributed to violence in this country through their sales of guns and ammunition.

                    And I suspect the administrators are fully aware of that connection, being administrators and all (heck, not just * anyone * can get that gig!)

                    But report it, meh - I'm not that thin-skinned; I think you may have forgotten there for a minute which side of this issue that I'm on.

                    •  We're on the same side, to elect more and better (3+ / 0-)
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                      Democrats.  What you've done here in my diary is offensive, insulting, derisive and intentionally malicious.

                      If you went into a member of Black Kos' diaries and said that Black Kos was the craziest group here, you'd be banned.

                      It's not that you're having a bad day either, this behavior is continuing today.

                      And now I know a little more of why you hate us so much, you believe that we're causing more violence in this nation.

                      You've already said we're just like Walmart.  

                      And you're so jaded and hateful you've missed the whole fucking point of my diary!

                      How corporate policies make us less human and thus more likely to be violent!  A gun being used is the END RESULT of said, not the beginning or the fucking cause!

                      I want people to be less violent not desperate, dehumanized robots!  

                      "Sorry Ma'am, you being beaten by a gang there just isn't my department!"  "Don't you worry your little head, I've called my manager, I'm sure he'll think of something, as soon as he get's off his break!"

                      And the only way we get beyond this garbage is to deny it any legitimacy, personally, morally and legally.  We teach people to think and empower them to do what's right!  Not punish them, not condition them into doing nothing! It's absolutely absurd!

                      As for your bullshit that it's Walmart's fault for selling firearms and ammo, should we blame them as well for obesity, they sell the most potato chips and soda in the nation?  Should we blame them for all the heart attacks and the diabetic endemic occurring with Blacks in America as well?!

                      As evil as I think Walmart is, WE chose to buy things there.  Don't blame them for it.

                      Americans created this monster at first, not guns, not our politicians, not Sam Walton!  WE DID.

                      I will clarify here that decades of free trade agreements and international "most favored nation status" granted to China since Nixon has destroyed the fabric of our society and our nation.  

                      We, correction, our corrupt bought and paid for politicians, granted corporations tax breaks to offshore our jobs and economy forcing us all into abject poverty. Bringing destruction, chaos and economic slavery throughout the known world.  

                      Now, 20+ years later, Americans don't have any good choices.  Target or Walmart.  Kmart, Sears, JC Penney, et al are barely surviving and won't be here much longer.

                      So, when you tell me Walmart's gun sales are causing violence in this society, I don't think you've been paying attention and don't want to.  You want to take the lazy and irresponsible route by blaming a fucking inanimate object so you can justify your dogma!

                      Dogma that our handlers have conditioned many into accepting as "reality", I do not accept it.

                      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                      by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 11:31:25 AM PDT

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            •  So, you can't provide the evidence... (5+ / 0-)

              to support your claim.

              Got it.

              Your hate-mail will be graded.

              by PavePusher on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 05:58:43 PM PDT

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          •  You know that isn't necessary. (6+ / 0-)

            One doesn't have to support false and insulting claims as long as those claims are aimed at the right people.

            Outright lies and personal insults are quite acceptable, as long as they are aimed at the right people...

            I mean, really...

            Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

            by theatre goon on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:14:29 PM PDT

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    •  uprated for ridiculous HRs nt (2+ / 0-)
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      by coquiero on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 11:23:47 AM PDT

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    •  HR for threadjacking (4+ / 0-)

      Come on, man. You know that's not allowed.

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      by maxomai on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:17:41 AM PDT

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  •  This is unconscionable! Even cops suspend the (8+ / 0-)

    very laws they enforce daily, for citizens, when there is an emergency!

    But big corporations are privileged people, and they can do anything they fucking want!

    Ayn sucks. Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer.

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 08:25:50 AM PDT

  •  So, what do they propose he was supposed to do ? (11+ / 0-)

    Just remain silent and call the cops, if he had a cell phone, or ignore the situation completely and allow the woman to be killed ?

    When more and more schools and commercials are teaching us all to "see something, say something", it seems particularly outrageous of Walmart to make it against their policy to "see something, say something" when an employee is on their own time.

                        Furious,
                        Heather

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

    by Chacounne on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 08:36:03 AM PDT

  •  But the guy was on a lunch break. (15+ / 0-)

    That was his own time.

    And this is becoming a problem with a lot of corporations.

    I used to work in a child care center that periodically would tell the workers that they could not leave the building while on 'break'.  I do not work there anymore-  because I confronted the director with a 'if you do not want me to leave, then pay me for the hour I am here."

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    by grannycarol on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 08:47:55 AM PDT

    •  Here in New York, an employer cannot do that (6+ / 0-)

      or make that part of their policy.   Unpaid time, is not sanctionable/controllable under our laws currently.

      Which tells me that this employee may have a good case against unlawful termination, but being within his probationary period could make the difference in the end.

      My current employer just gave us their "policy" on social media, telling me that if an investigation is warranted, then I'd have to provide my passwords and usernames.

      I laughed.  My conduct outside of work has no bearing on the job I can or cannot do and I didn't relinquish my privacy rights by being hired, after the fact.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:13:02 AM PDT

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    •  When saving someone's life.... (7+ / 0-)

      it shouldn't matter whose time your on.

      They should have rewarded him.  

      Your hate-mail will be graded.

      by PavePusher on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:34:42 PM PDT

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  •  I'm on-record as "go back to work" in your poll. (9+ / 0-)

    I may have to move my car to another parking spot before doing so.

    OMG, I appear to have inadvertently caused injury to that man, who was beating the woman.
  •  eh, look at it from their lawyers' perspective. (6+ / 0-)

    if they don't forbid helping, then anyone injured can sue and argue that Walmart is responsible.

    Walmart is just responding rationally to the public policies of the tort law system.

    •  I really can't see that, "tort law system"? (8+ / 0-)

      Their policy is creating an environment of depraved indifference by forbidding helping those in need.

      And with our good Samaritan laws, they'd be protected against bogus lawsuits, even if someone died from that help.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:20:01 AM PDT

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      •  Employers are responsible for the actions (5+ / 0-)

        of their employees, good samaritan laws1 or not.  So Walmart has to make it crystal clear that an employee that does anything that creates a risk of harm is doing so in violation of company policy and is in no way doing so during the course of their employment.

        Any tort lawyer would immediately look for the deepest pockets in the room2, and Walmart has some deep ones.

        1 The scope of GS laws will differ in many jurisdictions.  Sometimes they only cover first responders, sometimes they carry reasonableness requirements, etc. If you're corporate counsel, your overriding concern is minimizing liability to the company, so you're not going to want to rely on the nitty gritty details of a statute that may not protect the company, may not be adhered to by some podunk county judge, and may not be applicable in the first instance.

        2 I remember being slightly shocked during 1L Torts that "deep pockets" was the name of one of our course topics.  Like, people talk about it openly.  

        •  (and, by the way, the tort system has an (4+ / 0-)

          express purpose of attributing the liability of employees to the employers, because an employer is able to train its employees to avoid liability in the first place.  So the policy reasons behind respondeat superior is to get the company on the hook so that they prevent the employees from doing harm in the first place.  And that's exactly what Walmart is doing here: they're telling their employees to avoid any course of action that could cause harm.  

          The tort system really doesn't recognize inaction as tortious conduct except in very limited circumstances, so there can be liability from trying to do something heroic, but no liability from forbidding heroic measures.

          Or: Walmart is pretty much doing what the tort law tells it to do.

          •  Include depraved indifference into your (7+ / 0-)

            reasoning and tell me again they aren't liable.

            I see someone being beaten and possibly killed and I'm to do nothing to stop it when I could have?

            I see a child about to be run over by a car that is backing up, should I not pull the child out of the way?

            What you're telling me is our legal system punishes us when we help one another, I simply will not accept this as acceptable in a "civilized" society.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:40:27 AM PDT

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            •  You have no legal duty to help others. (5+ / 0-)

              You're not really punished for stepping in?  But you certainly put yourself at risk for legal liability.  As soon as you intervene, you have a duty to exercise reasonable care and you've exposed yourself to litigation on that question if someone is hurt.

              That's just how the law works.

              I would step in and intervene (and have had to all of once in my life) and would expect others to, tort liability be damned.  But if I were general counsel of company with thousands and thousands of employees?  I wouldn't even think twice about enacting Walmart's policy.  You'd almost be committing malpractice not to.

            •  Lawyers vs. "real people" (4+ / 0-)
              I see a child about to be run over by a car that is backing up, should I not pull the child out of the way?
              Lawyers:
              1) so the child was under the car, and against the wheel which was still turning?

              2) you had full knowledge of the drivers intention to continue to reverse, despite not having a clear path to do so?

              3) you had full knowledge of this child's medical records, and with certainty, knew no harm would result by pulling, lifting or pushing the child away from the alleged path of the car.

              4) you were, at the time, parent or legal guardian of this child, or a person, who by nature of another relationship established by law, in loco parentis?

              The rest of the world:
              a) wow, that was great... you saved a life today, I'm so grateful.

              b) you TOUCHED MY BABY?!! I'm calling the POLICE.

              a) results in your being in the news: "Hero woman saves child from certain death"

              b) results in your arrest, and "Lawyers" see above.  
              Thus no charges for criminal negligence against the parent.

              Welcome to post '80s America.

          •  This extends to civil servants too. (4+ / 0-)
            The tort system really doesn't recognize inaction as tortious conduct except in very limited circumstances, so there can be liability from trying to do something heroic, but no liability from forbidding heroic measures.
            No duty to act has been upheld by State and Federal Courts, all the way to the SCOTUS.

            A litany of cases are presented in this article:
            http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/...

            Hence the "Good Sam" laws, which extend to voluntary (heroic) action, but not to the Corporation - which is more attuned to risk management.

        •  That tort lawyer should be horse-whipped. (1+ / 0-)
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          Item # 1008......

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          by PavePusher on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:38:00 PM PDT

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          •  Question? Do you have a list of items (0+ / 0-)

            #1 through #1007?  Are there more than just 1008???

            If so, could you point me in the direction of where they're listed?

            ;)

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            by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:10:54 PM PDT

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        •  He was on his unpaid lunch period. How's this (3+ / 0-)
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          figure in here?  Is my current employer responsible if I rob a bank while I'm at lunch or even if I've gone home for the day at the end of my shift and I decide to make a "withdrawal" from my local bank?

          I know under our drug confiscation laws, they could be, right?  Say I'm dealing drugs a work and get caught by a police sting, could Walmarts' assets be seized?

          Hummmm, I'm gonna have to think about this one for a bit.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 05:55:51 PM PDT

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          •  Don't be silly (4+ / 0-)

            Forfeiture laws are to punish those not in power. Does make a nice thought though.

            •  Dammit, I know, I know....but it had me (4+ / 0-)
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              thinking evil thoughts for a second.

              Who's willing to give up a few years of their lives in the Federal Pen to hit at the heart of our corporate overlords????

              We need volunteers!

              Think of it, I move to Arkansas, get a job at Walmart's corporate headquarters, then I find someone to supply me drugs, I then buy the drugs and then I sell them to my co-workers at Walmart, then I must get caught, on the job and whomp!  Walmart's corporate headquarters is forfeited under our zero tolerance drug war???

              Dammit, I'm too old!  If only I had an extra 40 yrs!

              ROFL.

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              by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 06:22:36 PM PDT

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      •  Y'all, it's fixin' to be Xmas shopping season, & (5+ / 0-)

        Wal-Mart parking lots (mall parking lots too) are going to be as dangerous as walking in the woods dressed as a deer.

        The numbers of car break-ins, customers mugged, purses and cars stolen, and people assaulted would astonish y'all.

        Stay away from Wal-Mart for your own safety.

        If you go to the mall, don't leave anything valuable (including your car's radio, GPS, etc.) visible while you're out of the car. Lock the car, take your keys. If you buy stuff, lock it in the trunk (and move your car to a different parking place or go home to unload immediately, especially if it's nighttime).

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        by BlackSheep1 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:01:00 AM PDT

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        •  Do NOT offer to "help" anyone in the parking lot (4+ / 0-)

          A ruse used years ago in parking Metro-NY parking structures:

          An "elderly woman" would ask for a ride to her car, as she got off the wrong level.  

          "My hip, I fell and broke it.  I can't walk any more... can I get a ride down to my car?  I'm just so confused these days."
          "She" would get in the backseat "not to be a bother" and hold a weapon to the neck of the female driver.
          Needless to say, if robber and carjacking was all that happened?  
          "Enjoy your Holiday, and call your insurance company."

          This wasn't always the case.  One carried a sharp hatchet in her oversized handbag.  I'll leave you to surmise the outcome.

          Tell your children - "no helping".
          Be that:
          "can you help find my daughter, she's your age" or "my dog ran away" or "I can pay you to carry these packages".    
          Find a Security Guard, Police Officer, or your parent(s).  
          Do not go with strangers.
          Nothing good comes of it.

    •  Any competent court.... (2+ / 0-)
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      would not hold Walmart responsible for the actions of a criminal.

      Item #1007 of what's wrong with our "justice" system.

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      by PavePusher on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:37:09 PM PDT

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  •  echo'ing johnny wurster, it's all about the (9+ / 0-)

    lawyers in our hyper-litigious society.

    I'd have the same policy if I was Wal-Mart counsel.  I'd also break the policy without a second thought if I was a Wal-Mart employee.

    Tort reform isn't limited to our healthcare system.  One of the few redeeming things (IMHO) about stand-your-ground laws is the immunity they provide against civil lawsuits.  One shouldn't get to sue someone for injuries sustained during the course of an illegal act.

    There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

    by Crookshanks on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:01:49 AM PDT

  •  I still consider this a good reason not to support (5+ / 0-)

    Wal-Mart by going to their stores and buying anything.

    Sadly, in my town .... and many many many smaller towns nearby ... for some staple goods there's not another source anymore.

    So I buy a lot of things over the Internet, and try not to patronize the worst of those companies.

    If my choice is Wal-Mart or Amazon, though ... it depends on if I need it in the next 24 hours, 'cause if I can wait on the shipping that's a bonus.

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    by BlackSheep1 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:04:44 AM PDT

  •  It's not just WalMart (5+ / 0-)

    This is a not uncommon policy with many businesses. It does raise some significant questions of ethics.

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    by Catte Nappe on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:36:21 AM PDT

  •  Don't know where you're going with this (1+ / 0-)
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    But I don't agree that Walmart's policies are designed solely to protect themselves verses their customer.

    In the one instance:

    AP09 is Walmart’s policy on dealing with shoplifters. A copy obtained by KSL shows employees are allowed to use “reasonable force” to limit movements of struggling suspects. If a weapon comes out, however, associates must “disengage” and “withdraw,” the policy states.
    I suppose that policy has two objectives - minimize Walmart's liability as well as allowing a gun-wielding idiot to escape without shooting either an employee or a shopper.

    So, I have to ask, what policy or law would you prefer to see? Do you think Walmart should be required to allowed their employees to do what they think is right?

    •  Is there a good answer here? (2+ / 0-)
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      The quote you're providing shows us that Walmart's policy allows for the protection of their property, both real and imagined and be damned if lives hanging in the balance.  It would be much more honest if they just said, "Don't do anything that can bring about lawsuits and whatever you do, protect our property first and foremost!"

      When the world is viewed in this light, it becomes a very cold and calculating amoral place.

      It also reveals to us that Walmart has no stake in the community or people it serves and I believe they should be held accountable for it.

      Why I pointed out depraved indifference as a legitimate legal position against their corporate greed.

      When Walmart says they want to come into your community, our political leaders better beware and I'd dare say if and when those same leaders give them decades of tax breaks, they should be held accountable as well for creating these conditions that risk life and limb.

      As for you actual question: Yes, I'd expect every employee to do the right thing and I'd defend them with all the resources I had when they did, if I were an employer.

      I'd make dogmeat of the attorney that tried to sue us as well.  Publicly shaming them for lack of "good moral character" and then I'd push to have their law license revoked.

      You see, to me, this is the crux of our problems.  The law has become cold, empty and calculated.  And it's becoming more illegitimate as we speak.

      As for your second question: Stop allowing lawyers to write the law, especially laws that negate our humanity.  Write better good Samaritan laws, giving protection to all whom try to help others.  Think of what this would do for those groups helping illegal immigrants with food and water?

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 12:51:32 PM PDT

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  •  Walmart may have done him a favor (3+ / 0-)
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    I bet you anything the guy gets noticed for being a decent person and gets a better job.

    This is the problem with large corporate culture.  There is no subtlety or objective assessment.  He assaulted someone in their parking lot, and there's no way for them to see any shades of gray, even ones as hugely relevant as "because he was being assaulted himself trying to protect a customer".

    Good for him for doing the decent thing, hopefully Walmart will see what a stupid PR move this is and offer him a job, at which point he can turn them down because he already has a better one.

    The statistic about violence in Walmart's parking lot's is shocking.

    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

    by coquiero on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 11:58:51 AM PDT

  •  Austin Wal-Mart shooting (3+ / 0-)
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    The officer killed was Senior Officer Jaime Padron, 40.

    around 2:20 a.m. a 911 call came in reporting a drunk person, Daniel, at the Walmart. Daniel was reportedly starting fights. While Officer Padron was on the way, the call was updated to a possible theft. Employees told police Daniel was trying to hide merchandise in a backpack.

    Officer Padron responded to the call. When he went inside the store, Daniel immediately started a fight and within seconds pulled out a semi-automatic pistol fired twice. One bullet stopped at a bulletproof vest, the other hit Padron in the neck.

    Shortly before he died, however, Padron did call for backup. Store employees held the gunman down until police arrived to arrest him.

    “I am heartened by the fact that two brave souls immediately started taking action when they saw our officer shot unprovoked, and actually tackled the suspect to the ground before he was able to hurt someone else,” (Chief) Acevedo said. "It gives us a great sense of pride knowing that we serve people in this community that would not hesitate to put their lives on the line for this officer who gave their life for them."

    Who is mighty ? One who turns an enemy into a friend !

    by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:18:57 PM PDT

  •  Worth noting that (0+ / 0-)

    the only source in the Detroit News article is the fired employee. I wouldn't rule out that maybe there is more to the story.

    •  Um...did you not see the update??? (2+ / 0-)
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      Google:

      "Walmart employee gets fired for helping woman".

      Over 34 million hits, the first link is to a USA Today article.

      Fifth link down is to ABC news.

      So, what are you trying to imply here?  That I got the facts wrong or something?

      Or that Walmart offered the guy his job back was "more to the story"????  If so, that's why I posted an update.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:56:02 AM PDT

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    •  Or..... (2+ / 0-)
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      WalMart was trying desperately to minimize the bad publicity this deservedly raised against them....

      Your hate-mail will be graded.

      by PavePusher on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 12:10:07 PM PDT

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      •  I thought the same thing, Christmas season is (2+ / 0-)
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        upon us.

        Where do you think I'd shop if I knew that Walmart's policy is "see something, do nothing and put your head down and get back to work!"???

        I'd rather go to the local strip mall where they have armed security guards that will do something.  And might have their cameras facing the parking lot to protect their patrons, not catch their employees "breaking the rules"!

        The stats on the crimes committed in Walmart's parking lot are frightening.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 12:29:29 PM PDT

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