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Barack Obama took to the podium a few hours after his unyielding stance had forced Republicans to cry uncle, raising the debt ceiling and allowing the government to reopen in return for a sandwich full of sawdust. The president spoke about the real pain that the Republican shutdown of government inflicted on the American people. He then used that pain to strike at the very heart of modern Republicanism, the myth put forth by Ronald Reagan that "government is the problem." With one deft stroke, Barack Obama made clear that the shutdown and the threat of a national default flowed directly from Reaganism, that the tea party Republicans are no fringe element, but rather represent the core values of today's Republican Party:
In fact, one of the things that I hope all of us have learned these past few weeks is that it turns out smart, effective government is important.  It matters.  I think the American people during this shutdown had a chance to get some idea of all the things, large and small, that government does that make a difference in people's lives.

We hear all the time about how government is the problem.  Well, it turns out we rely on it in a whole lot of ways.  Not only does it keep us strong through our military and our law enforcement, it plays a vital role in caring for our seniors and our veterans, educating our kids, making sure our workers are trained for the jobs that are being created, arming our businesses with the best science and technology so they can compete with companies from other countries.  It plays a key role in keeping our food and our toys and our workplaces safe.  It helps folks rebuild after a storm.  It conserves our natural resources.  It finances startups.  It helps to sell our products overseas.  It provides security to our diplomats abroad.

So let's work together to make government work better, instead of treating it like an enemy or purposely making it work worse.  

The shutdown showed us all the ways that government, rather than being the problem, actually solves problems and does things that matter in all of our lives. Here Obama has taken direct aim at Reaganism—and connected Reagan's famous quote about government with the tea party radicals who shut it down. Obama also invoked another trenchant criticism of the extreme anti-government ideology of his opponents, one best captured by P.J. O' Rourke: "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it."

Humor aside, the president reminded people that Republicans have made it more difficult for government to work, and then complained when it doesn't. If we want a government that works, Americans must elect representatives who don't treat government like an enemy or sabotage its operations. The tea party does exactly that, and their anti-government extremism—which derives directly from Reagan's own anti-government extremism—is what caused the recent crisis.

Follow me after the fold for more analysis of this Republican extremism.

If Republicans want to try and argue that St. Ronnie was no tea partier, then let them, but the only way to do that is to throw the tea party under the bus and contrast those nasty folks to their beloved demigod. And if tea party Republicans want to double down and say, yes, the tea party is great and Reagan was the original tea partier, then let them, that only makes Reagan look as extreme is they are.

The tea party brand has become toxic, and with good reason. Obama, in this speech, used the righteous anger and frustration people feel about those Republican radicals to drive deeper the wedge between the realists and the extremists in the GOP. Additionally, he showed that modern Republicanism itself is based on an extreme ideology that has proven in the past three weeks to be dangerous to our country and our democracy.

PS- I've saved for this postscript my own personal bit of gloating. With end of this ridiculous crisis that they manufactured, congressional Republicans have been exposed as radical, extreme and—ultimately and most importantly—stupid and weak. At least the widow of Sen. Frank Lautenberg got $174,000 out of the deal that reopened the government. The tea party Republicans didn't even get their parking validated.

And there was no other possible outcome. Any fool could see it coming. On that point, here's what I predicted way back on July 28:

President Obama must tell Speaker Boehner that he will not get he wants. Period.  Obama won the election, and the American people are with him. If Boehner wants to shut down the government, then he must shut down the government. I believe that in such a scenario, given the polling and the president's history of being reasonable and willing to compromise, the American people will put the blame squarely on Boehner and the House Republicans.

The majority of House Republicans will not bend or yield no matter the public pressure, either because they are in safe districts, or because they are absolutely rigid ideologues. For some, it's both. So the only way this impasse can end is for John Boehner to do what he has already done four times this year (the fiscal cliff deal, Hurricane Sandy relief, the Violence Against Women Act reauthorization, and a historical sites acquisition bill). He must put together a majority made up mostly of Democrats on the budget and, when the time comes, raising the debt ceiling.

And that's exactly what Boehner did. (Click here for a more detailed analysis of how the vote broke down).

The other part of my prediction was that the Republican Party would break as old-fashioned conservatives recoiled from tea party radicalism. It started to happen even before the shutdown ended. And just in the past few days, we've seen a number of new examples along that front, perhaps the most important of which is Rep. Peter King (R-NY) all but declaring war on the head tea party Republican, Ted Cruz.

Between Republicans breaking, and President Obama pushing back hard against the tea party's founding ideology, there's reason to hope our country is finally lancing the boil of right-wing Republican radicalism.

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  •  Tips for sticking it to the Tea Party Republicans (202+ / 0-)
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    bkamr, waytac, Lawrence, Remediator, scott5js, Jim R, wasatch, aaraujo, a2nite, willrob, followyourbliss, wdrath, lineatus, Sybil Liberty, checkerspot, Zinman, cherish0708, mickey, Crashing Vor, theKgirls, eeff, skillet, CwV, ArcticStones, 88kathy, Hammerhand, Sophie Amrain, jayden, Radical Faith, skepticalcitizen, poliwrangler, ssgbryan, Jennifer Clare, Heart of the Rockies, Pandora, Vita Brevis, Jim Riggs, LilPeach, Blazehawkins, pamelabrown, Aunt Pat, mrsgoo, LLPete, skod, Curt Matlock, JL, pixxer, rl en france, billlaurelMD, remembrance, ratcityreprobate, xaxnar, happymisanthropy, pierre9045, Dyana, Jay C, mrblubitz, Dave in Northridge, v2aggie2, RadGal70, jnhobbs, maryannm, JWK, filkertom, countwebb, OldDragon, aunt blabby, RoIn, deha, Uniprober, Glen The Plumber, Denise Oliver Velez, Patango, m00finsan, bythesea, BenderRodriguez, jefecuatro, sunbro, Caerus, jck, Ishmaelbychoice, Ageing Hippie, on the cusp, KayCeSF, rlk, Lilyvt, vonrobkin, Vicky, karmsy, Gowrie Gal, ichibon, fixxit, TracieLynn, doraphasia, David54, ArthurPoet, mayim, bleedingheartliberal218, OrangeMike, Railfan, zestyann, Caddis Fly, leonard145b, jaebone, dandy lion, iLDemfromPA, TheDuckManCometh, jaf49, tampaedski, implicate order, etherealfire, rugbymom, MrAnon, koNko, Kentucky DeanDemocrat, MufsMom, bewareofme, No Exit, semiot, Bob Duck, ER Doc, thomask, ohmydem, Marjmar, GeorgeXVIII, fiercefilms, IndieGuy, Sixty Something, radarlady, ItsSimpleSimon, chuck utzman, Lefty Ladig, citisven, daeros, Gator Keyfitz, dopper0189, Forest Deva, kevinpdx, Observerinvancouver, Australian2, VickiL, blueoregon, Matt Z, coppercelt, floydgrant, annieli, Chitown Kev, BobBlueMass, asindc, G Contractor, BachFan, exNYinTX, Jeff Simpson, yoduuuh do or do not, Tommy Aces, Laurel in CA, nuthangerfarm, Loudoun County Dem, 1BQ, equern, snazzzybird, Mr MadAsHell, old mark, Clive all hat no horse Rodeo, lcrp, sow hat, rbird, mftalbot, artmartin, cspivey, MKDAWUSS, DSPS owl, puakev, Dave925, jilikins, War on Error, FindingMyVoice, Linda1961, elginblt, PLS, tofumagoo, BoxNDox, belinda ridgewood, pitbullgirl65, rainmanjr, tekarta, retLT, shanesnana, ialonelady, Arahahex, dksbook, salliezoo, SilentBrook, Sir Roderick, brae70, gramofsam1, Teenygozer, walkshills, PSzymeczek, kitana0308, Aaa T Tudeattack, Iron Spider

    And their patron saint, Ronald Reagan.

      •  yes, this - a thousand times, this (23+ / 0-)

        The GOP rails against government, then once elected, screws it up so badly that it fulfills their fantasy of bad government.  Of course, they louse it up, that is their plan, their long game.  Why folks don't see that, I truly don't know....

      •  You cannot trust a party that ignores the majority (10+ / 0-)

        For any party to treat a large portion of the population as inferior or disposable or feed lot animals to be used as the impulse takes them. They lack integrity, decency and a love for democracy. They want to DICTATE and use whatever means to force others to live as they choose. The republicans have two cancers in their belly : Tea partiers and evangelicals (OUR Taliban) that will either tear them to shreds in the long run or destroy our democracy.

        I am a lifelong democrat who first voted against Nixon and I will never vote for a republican even though I have met sane fiscal republicans who are more liberal in their social ideas. Now I see a party trying to destroy our Democracy while claiming to be great patriots. Is it a mental illness or simply a some life long effect of what they drink or eat? Is it fear of change? Is it simple selfishness? Is it angst about their personal end where the monument they want to leave behind is a dead world like some ancient vain pharaoh or emperor? Is it simply end result of decades of propaganda?

        They hate gays or women or blacks or Hispanics or other nationalities  or other religions or wolves or clean water or people being fed and sheltered and having their basic medical needs met. They claim some sort of moral high ground when their hearts are full of hate and their urges claim some kind of holiness in their perversion of religious texts (texts that seek to make our world kinder and more compassionate}... They want everyone to march to the same tune and to devour those who fall to their hungers or whom they can not abide. Witch burning anyone, Inquisition , genocide, prison camps to hold those who won't serve them... it is in the history of movements and people who want to make everyone fit their ideas and needs. It is Pure evil and rises from the most base part of humans.

        Fear is the Mind Killer...

        by boophus on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 12:00:58 PM PDT

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        •  Your description of repubs is much more accurate (5+ / 0-)

          if you replace each "or" with "and" in the following phrase:

          They hate gays or women or blacks or Hispanics or other nationalities  or other religions or wolves or clean water or people being fed and sheltered and having their basic medical needs met.

          Can I get a Grey Goose on the rocks over here?!

          by G Contractor on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 12:29:20 PM PDT

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        •  It's Rather Simple (2+ / 0-)
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          When you realize as many as 1 in 4 people in this society hamper the rest of this by way of their "Authoritarian Personalities".

          This is a new theory in psychology first explored about 10 years ago. John Dean used it to explain what he called "Conservatives Without Conscience" in the book he gave that same title to.

          They hate democracy on an emotional level, they'll play it lip service and even claim to support it but it's pretty much the democracy of white landowners, the standard of 200 years ago. This large chunk of society years for a "Big Daddy" to "Guide" them because they live in constant fear of that which is different and what they don't understand. So, given that fear, they need to be told how to think, what to do so that fear isn't so bad- so that fear can be turned into hatred of that cursed "other", so that quarter of the population can be mobilized to support a the political party that most plays to its neuroses.

          This is true if you're the Republican Party of Oligarchy and Privilege or some odd fellow with a funny mustache- these types of political groups that have innately known about the "Authoritarians" and played to them throughout the 20th c. have caused huge suffering through both aggression leading to war and unjust policies they use against unfavored groups at home.

          This country is under attack from within, no question, and the attackers are about to splinter into three distinct groups- the Dominionist Xtian Far Right, The Oligarchic Onslaught led by the Koch Bros. who look to co-op and control the other groups and the simply far, far right tea party. Somewhere in that mess are some old time main stream Republicans. Since these people now most resemble mainstream Democrats, they should just join up.

           

          "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world - bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are whores for power and oil with hate and fear in our hearts" - Hunter S. Thompson

          by Dave925 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 04:05:05 PM PDT

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        •  I fear that when Fascism comes to the USA (0+ / 0-)

          it will come draped in the flag and carrying a cross.

          “The meaning of life is to find it.”

          by ArcticStones on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:39:14 AM PDT

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        •  The GOP sincerely considers itself the majority (0+ / 0-)

          of those people who ought to be allowed to vote.

          “The meaning of life is to find it.”

          by ArcticStones on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 08:02:12 AM PDT

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      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

        Of course this article is trying to equate opposing the shutdown with loving government.. which is disengenuous as well as obtuse..

        But the irony in your comment is rich.

        The founding principles of this country were based in a profound distrust and dislike of government. Thomas Jefferson, the originator of every idea of individual liberty and limited government we have.. the very basis of the american identity would find the statement laughable.

        People on this site dont even make a pretense of intelligent thought anymore. The US political system it seems now consists of a choice between willfully truth averse far right extremist and willfully thoughtless centrist extremists. And we wonder why this country is imploding.

        A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

        by cdreid on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 04:49:17 AM PDT

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    •  how to terminate Zombies (5+ / 0-)
      Remember that each of these methods requires that you destroy the brain, so make sure you focus most of your energy on the head. Destroying the other organs of a zombie will do absolutely nothing - it'll just direct its attention more toward you.
      so very difficult with 'baggers since their shoe sizes have higher numerical value than their IQs or EQs.
      10. Crow bar to the skull.
      9. Drop an Egyptian obelisk on them.
      8. Light the zombie on fire.
      7. Smash its head in a convection oven while it's on.
      6. Run it over with a car.
      5. headtap
      4. Chain saw.
      3. Starve the zombies out.
      2. Trap the zombie in a pit of concrete.
      1. Put the zombie through a wood chipper.
      http://voices.yahoo.com/...

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

      by annieli on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 12:02:14 PM PDT

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    •  I get a kick out of all the talk (0+ / 0-)

      about socialism, Reagan sent me a plastic card that gave any employer who hired me 50% of my wages back at the end of the first year, 33% the second, & 25% the third.
      I made 8000 the first year & my employer got 4000 back, my boss also told me he would not have hired me without it. I also got a job the third year because of it.
      Directly subsidizing my jobs? Is that not socialism?

      Of course any taxpayer funded health insurance is socialist as well. Like medicare, the VA, police, fire, etc. And of course Gov. employees.

    •  bragging rights (0+ / 0-)

      While Mr Reifowitz deserves  his bragging rights I for one predicted the disastrous long term results of voodoo economics nearly 40 years ago. I and nearly all my contemporaries were downsized out of the job market and never allowed back in except as janitors and errand boys. We were forced to  give our jobs to the Boomer generation 15 years before we were prepared or willing to do so. The pressure to "take an early retirement" was immense, it was leave honorably or leave dishonorably, most of us chose the former. We had to spend our savings and deplete our retirement accounts to barely survive until early social security kicked in. All this economic activity and available jobs convinced the boomers that Reaganomics, a renamed trickle down fiscal policy, was the magic ingredient for a robust society. It was all smoke and mirrors and my generation has suffered not only financially but in self esteem as well. It's called "burning your candle at both ends" but the candle does not last.

    •  Ok maybe Edwards could have done it better faster (15+ / 0-)

      but that was not meant to be. President Obama is doing a fine job and I have just been happier and happier with his performance.

      Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

      by 88kathy on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:05:03 AM PDT

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        •  No it wasn't a joke. Edwards had a problem but (20+ / 0-)

          it wasn't in his professional life, it was in his personal life.  And I am seriously tired of people saying President Obama should have done his job faster and better.

          So you all want to play woulda, coulda, shoulda, I'll play.

          ______

          Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

          by 88kathy on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:19:02 AM PDT

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          •  Why do think that Edwards would have done it (3+ / 0-)
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            faster in better?  What in his political career would give one a reason to think that this would be the case?

            Barack Obama for President '12

            by v2aggie2 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:38:18 AM PDT

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          •  I'm frankly sick of a politician's personal life (7+ / 0-)

            and, specifically, his or her sex life - having ANY bearing on what he or she does as a politician. If no laws were broken, the moralists should suck it up and deal.

            "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." - Hubert Humphrey

            by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 11:08:45 AM PDT

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            •  Anyway I have learned how to deflect the (4+ / 0-)

              President Obama sux crowd. Just start an arugment about Edwards and Clinton sexy bits. They go after it like a red herring.

              Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

              by 88kathy on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 12:26:05 PM PDT

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            •  Republicans claim they believe in family values! (0+ / 0-)

              You write:

              "I'm frankly sick of a politician's personal life and, specifically, his or her sex life - having ANY bearing on what he or she does as a politician. If no laws were broken, the moralists should suck it up and deal."

              Yes, but the Republicans claim to be the party of faith and the party of family values! Republicans Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, Dan Burton, Ken Calvert, Henry Hyde and Helen Chenoweth condemned President Clinton for the Monica Lewinsky affair (and not merely for his lying under oath) when their own past is less than exemplary!

              (Others Republicans have condemned gays, and were later found out to be gay themselves, soliciting prostitutes, committing adultery, etc.)

              "Accept certain inalienable truths,
              "prices will rise, politicians will philander,
              "you too will get old,
              "and when you do you’ll fantasize
              "that when you were young prices were reasonable,
              "politicians were noble and children respected their elders..."

              --Baz Luhrmann, "Everybody's Free to Wear Sunscreen" (1999)

              Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl, which produced a child.

              Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS.

              John Schmitz (R-CA), former extreme right-wing Republican fathered two children by a mistress — a former student named Carla Stuckle whom Schmitz taught when he was a professor at Santa Ana College. One of these children was once admitted to an Orange County hospital with hair tied in a square knot around his penis so tightly that it was almost severed.

              Congressman Schmitz' daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, made national headlines when as a schoolteacher, she was arrested twice for having sex and producing two children with an underage student of hers (beginning when he was only 13 years old).

              Robert Bauman (R-MD) was campaigning for his fourth term as a Maryland Congressman in 1980.  A practicing Roman Catholic with a wife and child, he was one of the most vocal conservatives in a very conservative Congress.  He regularly rallied for old-fashioned values and attacked all supporters of abortion and homosexual rights.  

              His campaign changed overnight with a series of shocking revelations.  The public learned that Bauman had been charged with soliciting sex from a 16-year old boy he picked up at a gay bar, and that he had been the victim of an extortion scheme by a man who claimed to have had a sexual relationship with him.  This, combined with an alcohol problem (which did not seem to bother his fellow Congressmen before), doomed his political career.

              Dan Crane (R-IL) On July 20, 1983, the House voted to simultaneously censure two members of Congress for sexual misconduct, the first time it had ever done so.

              Crane was censured for having sexual relations with a 17 year-old female page.

              Donald "Buz" Lukens (R-OH) was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

              Dick Armey (R-TX): as an economics professor before entering Congress, was accused of sexually harassing female students, according to the Dallas Observer.

              J.C. Watts (R-Oklahoma): has said "Character is simply doing right when no one is looking." Watts has tried to cover up his out-of-wedlock child.

              Bob Packwood, Senator (R-OR), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to ten female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.

              Bob Barr (R-GA) the principal sponsor of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, has been married three (or is it now four) times.  And at a party in 1992, Barr actually licked whipped cream off the breasts of two women, neither of them his current wife.  Now that's family values!

              Charles Canady (R-FL), Judiciary Committee member. A leading opponent of abortion, Canady lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce from Florida businessman Robert Becker.

              Jim Bunn, (R-Oregon) With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then left his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll with a salary of $ 97,500.

              Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizarre sexual content, including bestiality and pedophilia.

              John Peterson (R-PA): has been accused of sexual harassment and hostile-work-environment claims by six women.

              Chip Pickering (R-MS) 's estranged wife claims in a lawsuit he had an affair that ruined their marriage while Pickering was in Congress and living in a Christian building for lawmakers on C Street, near the U.S. Capitol. Pickering, 45, was elected to Congress in 1996, and is now a lobbyist in Washington for Cellular South, the company that is owned by his mistress's family.

              Bob Livingston (R-LA) was about to replace Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House until he resigned in disgrace when it was revealed that he admitted to had been involved in several adulterous affairs, (while attempting to crucify Democratic President Clinton for having done so)!

              Dan Burton (R-IN) was the Chairman of the House Government Reform & Oversight Committee.  He hated President Clinton so that he publicly called him a "scumbag." Following an expose, Burton was forced to admit that he fathered an out-of-wedlock child, a fact he denied for years.

              Ken Calvert (R-CA) said in 1998,  "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky."  This is the same Christian Coalition ally, who was caught by police in 1993 receiving oral sex from a prostitute.  His ex-wife also sued him for failure to pay alimony.

              Helen Chenoweth (R-ID): one of first to condemn Clinton, admitted to having a six year extramarital affair with a married associate. The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed. (She has since divorced and remarried – no doubt with the Lord's blessing!)

              Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General of Georgia, prosecuted the famous Bowers v. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair.

              Ed Schrock, two-term Republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

              Bill Thomas (R-CA) This 11-term Republican is chairman of the Ways and Means subcommittee on Health.  In June, (2003?) the Bakersfield Californian reported that Thomas, who is married, was having an affair with health care lobbyist Deborah Steelman, who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.  

              In an "open letter to friends and neighbors" (voters), Thomas did not deny the relationship, but said during his legislative career, "...Any personal failures of commitment or responsibility to my wife, family, or friends are just that, personal.  I have never traded a public responsibility for a personal one and I never will."

              He has yet to admit, however, that during 38 years of marriage he has committed adultery with dozens of women, sexually assaulted others (including a lobbyist for Planned Parenthood), and kept mistresses on his campaign and public payrolls – to the tune of at least a half-million dollars.

              Neil Bush, brother of George W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while he was on an Asian business trip.

              Don Sherwood (R-PA) had a five year adulterous affair which only ended when his mistress sued him for physical abuse (and attempted murder?) in 2004.

              Carey Lee Cramer, political consultant and producer of negative presidential campaign ads, was convicted of molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial.

              Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

              Senator John Ensign (R-NV) confessed to serious cheating on his wife with a staffer and caught paying hush money to the husband, his chief of staff.

              Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC), confessed to serious cheating on his wife after leaving his state unsupervised for a week.

              Senator Larry Craig (R-ID), caught in a gay sex sting operation in a MN bathroom.

              Senator David Vitter (R-LA), found to have been a client of prostitutes in DC and Louisiana.

              Rep. Mark Foley, (R-FL) forced to resign when he was found to be having inappropriate communications with male pages.

              Rep. Vito Fossela. (R-NY) another "family values" Republican lost his seat when it was revealed that he had fathered a child with a woman not his wife.

              In the Fall of 2009, yet another conservative Christian Republican fell from grace. Assemblymen Michael Duvall of Yorba Linda, CA. made the mistake of bragging before a "hot mike" to a fellow legislator, about his sexual conquests with female lobbyists, at "the head table" of a legislative hearing room.

              This champion opponent of gay equality was a married man with two children who had earned a 100% rating for good Christian family values organizations. Now, he's joined the cavalcade of disgraced hypocritical Republican former politicians.

              Rep. DesJarlais, who is also a doctor, made the unfortunately rather common decision to cheat on his wife before assuming office. However, that's not all. You see, besides cheating on his wife, Rep. DesJarlais' choice of partners bears mention – specifically, he…

              Cheated with his coworkers

              Cheated with his own patients.

              Wrote false prescriptions for one of his mistresses to get drugs, and…

              Pressured his own wife to get an abortion – twice – while campaigning as a supposedly family values-friendly candidate.

              Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Yet she's divorced and now married to the man with whom some say she has admitted committing adultery when she and he were married to their prior spouses.

              Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers.

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              * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

              * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

              * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

              * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. we're just getting started, kids.

              * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for attempted rape of a juvenile.

              * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

              * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

              * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

              * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a juvenile.

              * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

              * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

              * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

              * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

              * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges.

              * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

              * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

              * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.

              * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with a step daughter.

              * Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.

              * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

              * Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

              * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

              * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

              * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

              * Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

              * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

              * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

              * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

              * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

              * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

              * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

              * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

              * Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a child.

              * Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

              * Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

              * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

              * Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

              * Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

              * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

              * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

              * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

              * Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who was described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

              * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

              * Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

              * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

              Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9.

              Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her.  He's also accused of sexually assaulting another girl.

              Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money. Fellow televangelists said he was gay. He was indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering.

              Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

              Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

              Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

              Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. Three of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens.

              Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

              John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations, corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton's first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department.

              Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a ten-year adulterous affair.

              Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

              Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women.

              Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then left his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll with a salary of $97,500.

              John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran.

              Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman.

              George W. Bush, Republican president, was accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who later committed suicide. He was accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999.

              John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

              Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-CA), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." He was sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.

              Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-ID), admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. In 1995, Chenoweth had denied the affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.

              Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.

              Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, was arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet.

              Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. He had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.

              On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.

              Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.

              Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges.

              Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, was convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison.

              Peter Dibble, Republican legislator, pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

              Nicholas Elizondo, Director of the Young Republican Federation molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

              Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. He was arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest.

              John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child.

              Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. He is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.

              Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot.

              Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters.

              Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. He informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.

              Philip Giordano, Republican mayor, was sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office.

              Rudy Giuliani had an adulterous affair.

              Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

              Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, a big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indeceny, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him.

              Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one.

              Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, a player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. He had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.

              Mark Harris, Republican city councilman who is described as a "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

              John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

              Howard Scott Heldreth, an anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Schiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002.

              Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules.

              Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. He said he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child.

              Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.

              Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced.

              Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "slut".

              Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

              Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

              Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizarre sexual content, including beastiality and pedophillia.

              Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee, 30-pill a day drug addict.

              Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-LA) resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery.

              Donald Lukens, Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13.

              Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner. Was arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl.

              Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17.

              Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee's Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid.

              Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.

              Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor

              Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.

              Bob Packwood, Senator (R-OR), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.

              Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

              John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.

              Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. He was arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute.

              John Peterson, Congressman (R-PA), was accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."

              Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. He worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.

              Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

              George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of an organization which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."

              Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested a step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children.

              Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. He tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.

              Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, and a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office.

              The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

              Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. He was a cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, and consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

              Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. She promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, but has had her tubes tied, she espouses saving oneself for marriage, but admits to having had sex before she was married, she opposes adultery, but has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, she opposes divorce, but is divorced and remarried, and has posed for nude photos which are available online.

              Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.

              John Schmitz, right-wing Republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays.

              He was forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to the hospital for having its hair tied so tightly around its penis that it was almost severed.

              His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children.

              Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.  With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz).

              Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values," or so he told a judge. He filed a defamation lawsuit against Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married only five times.

              Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. He eventually admitted to an affair with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her.

              Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

              Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

              Craig J. Spence, Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s.

              Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon: "I'm trying to find the correct name for it... this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Swaggart had an affair with a prostitute.

              David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

              Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. He was once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus.

              His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.

              Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.

              Strom Thurmond, Republican senator and racist, raped and impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid.

              Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed, convicted in Virginia for soliticing sex from a 13-year-old-boy and on four other counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

              Jim Wesr, Spokane Mayor. He had a sexual affair with an 18 year old. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. He voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. He proposed that any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person among teens be criminalized.

              Keith Westmoreland, a state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

              Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

              Democrats For Life of America, 601 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, South Building, Suite 900, Washington, DC 20004 (202) - 220 - 3066

    •  Indeed, and I'm assuming that when he said (17+ / 0-)

      "Let's work together..." he's learned enough to be counting the right-wing extremist TP and their financiers out of that 'us' and treating them like political and patriotic castaways at this point.

      If he truly believes how important government is he's got to understand how dangerous the modern American right-wing movement is.


      "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

      by Pescadero Bill on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:07:37 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, this change (5+ / 0-)
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      in BO is really astounding.

      But everyone forgets that he already gave away the store.

      If he finally moves aggressively to create jobs and revise taxes [so that the burden falls more on the haves and the non-taxed stuff gets taxed], I may even quit dissing the guy.

      The 'change' he campaigned on seems to have happened to him!

      The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:31:06 AM PDT

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      •  Don't get fooled again? (3+ / 0-)
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        The problem is there often seems to be a huge gap between O's rhetoric and his actions.  Frequently, you have to analyze his statements fairly closely to see if what he's actually proposing rather that what it sounds like he's proposing; he's not as oxymoronic as the Shrub's "Clear Skies", "Healthy Forests", etc., but often what Obama appears to be promising turns out to be a bag full of the warm fuzzies.


        My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
        "Shared sacrifice!" said the spider to the fly.—Me

        by KingBolete on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:01:47 AM PDT

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        •  You're right. (2+ / 0-)
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          I had a momentary lapse.  

          He's still out to harm soc sec benes and still clearly buys into the 'everyone must hurt' philosophy.  Additionally, the guy still hasn't figured out the connection between government spending and economic recovery.

          It has always been about BO and nothing else.

          The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

          by dfarrah on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:17:13 AM PDT

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      •  I don't think he gave away so much (3+ / 0-)
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        But he does pretty clearly subscribe to a lot of Friedmanite economic ideas, which are the underpinning of modern Republican governance even more than Reaganite social ideas and anti-governmentalism.  In the Friedmanite sense, even a lot of Democrats are Republicans these days.  Obama didn't give away the deficit reduction measures, as he was instrumental in shoving them through.

        We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

        by Dallasdoc on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:32:43 AM PDT

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      •  It's not a change. (3+ / 0-)
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        He has been proposing to close corporate loopholes to make corporations pay their fair of taxes and then spending more money on job creating stimulus ideas for several years now. Pretty consistently ever since the first stimulus bill.
        But, no one notices because Social Security is the only budget issue we're supposed to talk about, I guess. You can argue it's a bad trade-off but Obama has talked about compromising on Social Security to get exactly the kind of tax changes and spending increases that you're asking for.

    •  Timing.... (15+ / 0-)

      It's all about timing. Making this argument back then would've gone nowhere. The country (media) wasn't ready to hear it. They were too enthralled with the tea party, giving them wall to wall coverage. The tea party was the latest media star. They gave them coverage even when they had minimal attendance at their rallies. How much attention is given to any progressive rally???

      One thing I have to hand to the media is they can be expected to behave the same way with every celebrity. First, they do everything they can to promote them and making them a household name. And then, they help in knocking them off the pedestal. You look at any celebrity (Baldwin, Cyrus, Brown, Deen, etc...) and you see the exact same playbook being worked with the tea party. The nice thing is they are finally showing them to be the ignorant, racist bastards they've always been.

      This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in-T. Roosevelt

      by DoctorRobert on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:43:47 AM PDT

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      •  I have long been in the "timing" school (4+ / 0-)

        of evaluating Obama... eg I assumed he made a deep political calculation that the nation was on the brink in 2009. That instead of taking us to where we needed to go - that is, a truly progressive direction - Obama opted for "normalcy."

        As a result, we did pull back from the brink, but at the expense of letting the right back in and empowering the plutocrats even further.

        As a result, I think we've pretty much surrendered to the plutocrats and that they've won nearly totally.

        Not sure if any other path was truly possible, though.

        •  2010 Was a Time Too nt (3+ / 0-)
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          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:01:29 AM PDT

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        •  Obama was and is a centrist. He believes that (4+ / 0-)
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          economic growth requires cutting SS benefits. He doesn't believe in or understand Keynesian economics. Larry Summers had that figured out and catered to the Boss, Christy Romer stuck to her guns and was ignored then eased out. Obama may have learned a new negotiating style from the shutdown/debt ceiling episode but we should not assume that he has changed his goals. If he doesn't get a cut in entitlements it will be because D's in Congress wouldn't give it to him.

          •  how does one 'believe' in Keynesian economics? (2+ / 0-)
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            •  On its mostly elementary level one believes that (3+ / 0-)
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              deficit spending by the Government during periods of recession and high unemployment will improve the economy and create jobs.  Obama does not believe that which is why he created the catfood commission and keeps proposing cuts in entitlements. He believes infrastructure spending will help because he sees the direct correlation of building bridges to jobs, but he doesn't understand that old folks spending every dime of their SS check and other sorts of nebulous government spending, like Veterans health, also helps the economy. On economics he is in the Pete Peterson camp, not the Stiglitz and Krugman camp.

        •  So you sound as though you'd prefer to go (3+ / 0-)
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          over the brink rather than pull back.  Fair enough, I guess.  But how would Pres. Obama get Congress to pass the necessary progressive legislation?   Didn't you notice how much trouble he had getting stuff done with the Dems controlling the house and the Senate?  Blue Dogs in the house.  Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and other conservatives in the Senate. Republicans filibustering.  How was he supposed  to get more progressive legislation passed?

          You'd go over the brink and get nothing in return.

          We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

          by Observerinvancouver on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 12:02:43 PM PDT

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          •  It's really convenient (0+ / 0-)

            to forget large segments of that early history.  Going over the brink is unimaginable.  WWII resulted from the first global depression and now we have nukes.  Governing from a position of economic desperation is impossible without drastic measures.  Violence nearly always is the result.  

            •  I can't figure out where you're coming from (0+ / 0-)

              but it may not matter.  :)

              But I still can't figure out what more he could given the
              situation with the Senate.  

              We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

              by Observerinvancouver on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:18:37 PM PDT

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              •  I was agreeing with you. (0+ / 0-)

                The sux crowd here forgets entirely about the devastation Joe Lieberman's betrayal had on us along with the delay in getting Al Franken seated.  The votes weren't there to overcome the filibuster except for this tiny amount of time and even then the blue dogs were being idiots.  Early in all this process the economy was not only on the brink but the edge of the cliff was breaking off in big chunks.  Somehow Obama and company managed to keep us out of that abyss.  There was no luxury of bringing our own brinkmanship to the game until there was some breathing room.

          •  You didn't read very carefully, did you? (0+ / 0-)

            Which is fine, of course, but then you make an annoying, and incorrect assumption about my post.

    •  He was looking toward re-election (4+ / 0-)

      I've always said that what Obama has done with each effective move is to strike a blow against Reaganism, and to try to turn back that awful tide that swept over us in the 1980s.

      But there was much Obama couldn't tip his hand to before re-election. Now it's time to come out fully swinging and reverse Reagan's dumping all our tax money into the hands of the rich, which as he was doing it was totally jaw-dropping to so many of us, but largely ignored nationally as an issue.

      Now is the time. Note the huge fine to be paid by Jamie Dimon's company. All hail Obama's second term!!

    •  He did in 2010. (2+ / 0-)
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      From the oval office. No one noticed. Everyone was too busy whining that Rahm called them names.

      One place we’ve already begun to take action is at the agency in charge of regulating drilling and issuing permits, known as the Minerals Management Service.  Over the last decade, this agency has become emblematic of a failed philosophy that views all regulation with hostility -- a philosophy that says corporations should be allowed to play by their own rules and police themselves.  At this agency, industry insiders were put in charge of industry oversight.  Oil companies showered regulators with gifts and favors, and were essentially allowed to conduct their own safety inspections and write their own regulations.  
  •  Ian, Ur much-deserved gloating underlines a point (19+ / 0-)

    This:

    widow of Sen. Frank Lautenberg got $174,000 out of the deal that reopened the government.
    ...underlines that Republican Senators really wanted to send a message to the House about who the big boys are.

    The McConnell dam funding should probably be understood partially in this light.

  •  Dixiecrats (43+ / 0-)

    The Dixiecrats spoiled the Democratic Party for 100 years--and are doing the same to the Republicans using a cuter name.  Too many Americans have bigoted bones and are so sure all their problems are because of "those people."  We shouldn't over analyze what's going on--Strom Thurmond still walks the chambers of DC.

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

    by melvynny on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 07:53:38 AM PDT

  •  It has always seemed to me ironic that many (25+ / 0-)

    in the Tea Party and/ or conservative wing of the Republican Party are significantly dependent upon government services -- even as they decry the very existance of government.

    From individuals who enjoy roads, street signs, police, fire fighters, schools (for children or for literate workers and service providers in their community), FDA food and drup oversight, weather reports, air traffic controllers, courts ... and on and on.  To businesses and business people that require roads, currency, stable business laws, courts, police, prisons, and on and on.  

    This has always puzzled me.  

    However, I think this article has some very interesting insights into this seemingly ironic, if not downright hypocritical, phenomonom.  Tea Party radicalism is misunderstood: Meet the “Newest Right”

    Even though, like the Jacksonians and Confederates of the nineteenth century, they have allies in places like Wisconsin and Massachusetts, the dominant members of the Newest Right are white Southern local notables—the Big Mules, as the Southern populist Big Jim Folsom once described the lords of the local car dealership, country club and chamber of commerce.  These are not the super-rich of Silicon Valley or Wall Street (although they have Wall Street allies). The Koch dynasty rooted in Texas notwithstanding, those who make up the backbone of the Newest Right are more likely to be millionaires than billionaires, more likely to run low-wage construction or auto supply businesses than multinational corporations. They are second-tier people on a national level but first-tier people in their states and counties and cities.

    Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

    by bkamr on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 07:59:18 AM PDT

      •  I think the thesis of the article is pretty (9+ / 0-)

        interesting and compelling.  

        Generally, the thesis is that this is not really a racist, know nothing movement per se, but rather it's pretty much the same old big-fish-in-little-ponds vs. the BIG fish in the ocean fight for power that has been going on since ... well, since political parties emerged with the bitter contest between Jefferson and Adams.

        The Tea Party may actually have aptly named themselves since the objection in that fight was local verses distant, centralized, mandate-type power, as well.  

        It racism a part of this?  Yes.  It's a tool and a powerless, local, labor pool is crucial for the big-fish to be able to rule over their local ponds.  It also helps me to understand the paternalism and mysogeny, as well.

        I'm still reflecting on this article, but I think it is a very important one for discussion.

        Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

        by bkamr on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:33:04 AM PDT

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    •  The new 'plantation owners' as it were. (10+ / 0-)

      Racist to the core and able to afford any government service turned private business opportunity their friends are making a profit from.

      Sounds like a lovely bunch.


      "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

      by Pescadero Bill on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:15:48 AM PDT

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    •  Read Oedipus Rex (8+ / 0-)

      One of the oldest stories around.

      To maintain the delusion that they're self-sufficient, independent, self-made real men, those tea partiers dependent upon the government have to loathe and kill Daddy.

      And as far as the small business owners hating Democrats, that an entirely different story - thinking of doing a diary on it - that is rooted on the pain Democrats so often inflict upon them.

      It's real, it's valid, and it's based on an actual dinner-table issue.

    •  Big fish, small ponds (8+ / 0-)

      and if this thesis is correct:

      They are second-tier people on a national level but first-tier people in their states and counties and cities.
      (and I think it is), it goes a long way towards explaining the emphasis on "states' rights" and localist arguments in Tea Party rhetoric; "government" per se isn't the enemy: just the Federal Government which is beyond their scope to control or influence as much as say, their county Supervisors or State Assembly. Who, in most cases are going to be people Just Like Them...
      •  Exactly. I think we'd all do well to read the (3+ / 0-)
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        article by Michael Lind in Salon.com and give it very real thought and consideration.  From their perspective, they see federal laws and federal mandates as being "tyrannical."  We prefer a certain amount of federalism for it's power to protect minorities from local and regional "tyrants."  

        Lind's perspective is certainly a new and interesting one for me to consider.  I've not really thought through the ramificaitons, but I know that it certainly helps to understand an ostensible opponent as well as possible.

        Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

        by bkamr on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 10:08:08 AM PDT

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        •  Lovely People Indeed (2+ / 0-)
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          The heart of the thesis is this truth;

          the Southern ideal is a society in which local white elites lord it over a largely-nonwhite population of poor workers who can’t vote.
          And it is why we Democrats have called on and empowered a Federal Government to put an end to this hateful exploitation.

          I have my own little thesis about the bottom line motivator of all "Republicanism". That would be the creation and maintenance of Cheap Labor. If you strip all their policies down to their essence, you'll see each and every one has this at the heart of them. They don't care if they use racism, violence, lies, whatever, it doesn't matter. All they care about is the most profit as possible goes into their pockets and as little as possible goes into those of their workers.

          "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world - bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are whores for power and oil with hate and fear in our hearts" - Hunter S. Thompson

          by Dave925 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:01:45 PM PDT

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  •  it seems to me that the next message (13+ / 0-)

    about the role of government in American society needs to be tweaked just a bit more, in order for Democrats to start eating into Republican support among independents and what few remaining sane Republicans may be left.

    It should acknowledge the rightful role of skepticism, including of government, but make the distinction that skepticism alone isn't the answer, skepticism, coupled with a commitment to ensure government works well, including fixing it when it's broken, is the answer. Not abandoning government.

    Something such as the following would go a long way toward moving this country forward, in my opinion:

    Government is not necessarily always part of the problem. In fact, there are numerous instances where government can be part of the solution, when done correctly. What we need to do is move away from this notion that, since government programs haven't always been as successful as we'd hope, we therefore must do everything possible to destroy. That's been the Republicans' approach for the past few decades. And it doesn't work. How about a common sense approach? An approach that acknowledges that, yes, government isn't always the best solution, but when private sector capitalism clearly hasn't worked, we need to be sure to give government a chance to work, and that means doing everything we can to ensure it works effectively. Where government programs are broken, we need to fix them.

    •  Things that piss off libertarians (1+ / 0-)
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      Are organizations like the DEA and NSA. If you want libertarian votes, promise to scale back and defund both of these organizations.

      People who don't trust these organizations will simply not trust President Obama on any other matter. You blow your credibility once, it's shot.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:38:40 AM PDT

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      •  Progressives reject libertarianism (9+ / 0-)

        At it's heart, libertarianism is Ayn Rand. Liberals are about an active government on social and economic matters, and personal liberty in non-economic matters, so yes, of course liberals should want real change in matters relating to privacy and, I would argue, personal drug use. But there's no way libertarians would trust Obama or liberals in any case, because we reject their Randian vision. They can decide to vote for us because Republicans are truly awful, and I hope they do.

        •  Several fundamental misunderstandings here (0+ / 0-)

          You may continue to lose elections and not understand why.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 11:12:50 AM PDT

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          •  Also, here's Reagan embracing libertarianism (0+ / 0-)

            Quote from 1975:

            If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

            Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

  •  Irony of P.J. O'Rourke comment (11+ / 0-)

    When he was writing a column for Rolling Stone back in the early 80's, O'Rourke was a huge fan of Reagan.  Ha! Idiot.

    "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

    by Betty Pinson on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:02:02 AM PDT

  •  I have long maintained (10+ / 0-)

    that Reagan was the original Tea Bagger for all those stated reasons!

  •  From Pew: Actual Americans like actual gov't. (35+ / 0-)
    Three-fourths of Americans have a favorable view of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for example, a figure almost matched by NASA and the Department of Defense. Of 13 government entities measured, nine had favorability ratings above 60%. Only one, the IRS, had a negative profile, with 51% disapproving and 44% approving of it.

    Still — far better than Congress. Only 23% of Americans had a favorable view of that institution (unanimity: 23% among Republicans, 25% among Democrats and 20% among independents). Federal workers, often decried as exemplars of inefficiency and worthy of the furlough they just got, were almost three times as popular, with 62% of Americans feeling favorable toward them.

    Turns out we like government in general. Congress? Not so much...

    link

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:03:35 AM PDT

  •  Like I frequently say... (25+ / 0-)

    Sending people to Washington who don't believe in government is kind of like hiring an atheist to be the pastor of your church.

    •  I get what you're going for with the analogy (6+ / 0-)

      and false equivalence but it completely misses the mark.

      Atheists aren't believers but that doesn't mean their purpose in life is to destroy those who do or their institutions. To insinuate otherwise and equate them to rabid anti-government conservatives whose professed goal is to reduce or eliminate the very institution they desire to lead is unfair and disingenuous.

      Atheism isn't nefarious. The desire to drown the government in a bathtub is.

      •  It isn't a perfect analogy... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...which is why I used the phrase "kind of."  And I don't equate atheists (a group that includes me, after all) with tea baggers; I compare hiring an atheist as a pastor with electing tea baggers to government, a perhaps subtle but important distinction.  I'm conscientious, hard-working and all the rest, but as an atheist I'd be exactly the wrong guy to serve as a pastor in a church.  In that sense, I think the analogy is pretty dead on, but then of course, I wrote it.  :)

        •  Only if as an atheist you told them (1+ / 0-)
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          that your goal was to convince them that god doesn't exist and that you wanted to destroy their church and their entire belief system. If you divulged their ultimate demise as your intent and purpose beforehand I doubt they'd hire you unlike what happens all-too-often in politics.

          People vote for teabagging government killing fetishists because for whatever reason they hate the government too. They've been convinced that government is bad despite all the obvious good it does. There is a shared ideology already in place however batshit it may be that probably wouldn't exist between an atheist and a church.

          You analogy works in a quick toss-off comment kind of way for those who aren't really paying attention but it doesn't pass muster on closer examination.

  •  Thank you for saying that out loud Mr. President (7+ / 0-)

    It needs to be said more frequently.

    FYI - the bluedog thing is about my dog ... I'm a liberal left winger and proud of it.

    by bluedogsd on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:06:34 AM PDT

  •  People who hate government (11+ / 0-)

    and believe that there should be none, should never be elected or appointed to public office.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:06:42 AM PDT

    •  I don't think they hate "government." I think (1+ / 0-)
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      they hate the federal government, and prefer the state and local governments where they have the power and influence.

      They serve in the federal government in order to limit and frustrate the power of the federal government in order to preserve and build their local power.  

      Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

      by bkamr on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:31:08 AM PDT

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      •  Just for balance... (1+ / 0-)
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        The philosophy does depend on the scope of a particular big business's operations.  It is cheaper and easier to buy off one government (fed) than to buy off 50 of them.

        "If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." - Will Rogers

        by Kentucky DeanDemocrat on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:49:09 AM PDT

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        •  Lind's point is that the movement is mainly made (2+ / 0-)

          up of the small and medium sized businesses.  They agree with the larger corporate businesses up to a certain point where there is alignment -- e.g. anti-labor laws, a lack of business regulations, and favorable (low to no) business income taxes. Whereas, they would disagree and hate NYC banksters.

          Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

          by bkamr on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 10:17:05 AM PDT

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        •  I'm just seeking to understand (not agree with!) (2+ / 0-)

          just trying to get my mind around the possibilities implied by this perspective ... I think they may feel about federal government regulations like I, as a teacher, feel about No Child Left Behind ... or how I'd feel if my principal would always be poking his head into my room and trying to micro-manage how I manage my classroom.  I'd feel as if my autonomy were being threatened.  

          Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

          by bkamr on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 10:22:03 AM PDT

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  •  "Most importantly stupid and weak" (6+ / 0-)

    Right on. A double-barreled self-inflicted wound they are desperately trying to hide. But the smell of gangrene is unmistakable.

    Thanks Ian

    "Every book is like a door"

    by Hammerhand on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:10:14 AM PDT

  •  Poor PJ O'Rouke (8+ / 0-)

    I used to see him all the time on Bill Maher - he was sort of a conservative Will Rogers. But the Republican Party is too mean and too ugly to do his kind of satire. It killed his act. It is more suited to the "kill a liberal" Malkin and anorexic-blondie-what's-her-name (I am repressing her name) and bloviating-Rush-Limbaugh types. No humor whatsoever, just ugliness.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:16:09 AM PDT

  •  you're joking, right? (9+ / 0-)

    Priority #1 for Obama in his post-shutdown speech: deficit reduction.

    First, we should sit down and pursue a balanced approach to a responsible budget, one that grows our economy faster and shrinks our long-term deficits further. There is no choice between growth and fiscal responsibility – we need both.
    This is completely wrong. "Fiscal responsibility", i.e. balanced budgets, are incompatible with economic growth. The government going into debt (i.e., injecting money into the economy using its sovereign power of money creation) is what facilitates economic growth during economic downturns. Balancing the budget means that private sector debt increases, and that causes the economy to contract further.

    For two and a half years he's put forth cuts to Social Security. His beef with the Republicans was that they wanted bigger cuts and no tax raises. Now that's been resolved in his favor. So now he sees his path clear to pushing his modest cuts.

    This most centrist of centrist politicians has just forced the right to back down. By the peculiar logic of centrist politicians, in order to be completely centrist, he must now force the left to back down. That means he must tame the economic progressives and compel them to accept his austerity program. And that is a battle he won't shy away from:

    I’m always willing to work with anyone to grow our economy faster, or to create new jobs faster, to get our fiscal house in order for the long run. I’ve demonstrated this time and time again, oftentimes to the consternation of my own party.
    One key difference between Obama and Reagan: in Reagan's day, one party was opposed to cutting SS. The Democrats stopped him from making the big cuts he wanted to make.

    In Obama's day, we have one party that wants to cut SS and another that wants to gut it entirely and burn the whole federal government down along with it. Half the people who would oppose cuts to SS are in complete and total denial because they can't bring themselves to believe that the first African-American president would ever do such a thing. Well, while they're struggling to come to terms with this possibility, the 1% are pushing forward with their austerity agenda.

    The Democrats now have a Reagan of their own, and this one is not opposed from the left, only from the right. So you tell me where this is going to end up.

    People make a huge mistake when they believe that vanquishing the Republicans means that conservatism is vanquished. The enemy is movement conservatism, not the Republican party--which is only the most extreme instrument of movement conservatism.

    Movement conservatism does not pursue its goals exclusively through the Republican party. They pour money into both sides. If they can't get what they want through Republican slash-and-burn, they'll resort to the piecemeal death-by-a-thousand-cuts methods of the Democratic austerians.

    Since the Republican slash-and-burn has failed for now, it's time for the "salami tactics" of the Democratic deficit hawks.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:16:22 AM PDT

    •  Show me where he said 'balanced budget' (11+ / 0-)

      in this speech. He didn't. He said "balanced approach to a responsible budget."

      You're not even getting his words right. Your reading of his speech is completely off. And you will not hijack this thread into a rox/sux debate. Sorry. Take it somewhere else.

      •  you're talking about Reaganism (2+ / 0-)
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        and I'm sorry, but you're misinforming people about Reaganism. That's what my comment is about.

        The teabaggers are far more extreme and nihilistic than Reagan ever was. It's a complete red herring to identify them with Reaganism. They're only one form--the most extreme form, but there are others.

        Obama wants to make cuts in Social Security. That is Reaganism.

        His health care law is a market-based plan which was modeled after Romneycare in Massachusetts and which Bob Dole, among other Republicans, championed as an alternative to Clinton's health care reform in the 90s. That is Reaganism.

        He's bragged about how fast he's reducing the deficit during an economic downturn. That is Reaganism.

        It's you who are trying to turn this into a question of whether one thinks Obama is good or bad, and it's only worshipful fans who see every single policy matter through the hopelessly silly and asinine lens of "rox/sux." This isn't a high school football game.

        I am simply trying to be clear about his policies. I'll leave it to history to judge good or bad.

        If this isn't the place for debate, then may I suggest that it might be a good idea to make that clear to your readers upfront. I was not aware that disagreement and serious discussion were taboo. But I'll keep that in mind in the future.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:58:01 AM PDT

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        •  Wrong. Reaganism argued government is the (9+ / 0-)

          problem and wanted to return to the pre-FDR concept of the role of the federal government. I don't like the idea of chained CPI, but does not equal undoing the New Deal.

          Obama has correctly expanded the role of government, through the stimulus as well as the ACA and numerous other areas. If you think Obama = Reaganism, I don't even know where to begin. Obviously, it means you are so far off the chart you can't see the chasm between them.

          And you stated directly that Obama called for a balanced budget. It's in your comment. You got that wrong.

          •  Chained CPI (2+ / 0-)
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            in and of itself, taken on it's own, isn't an undoing of the New Deal.  On that, I think we can all agree.

            But the larger issue is incrementalism.  That is the strategy that has been employed by the Republicans since Reagan - and was first cooked up by Birchers like the Koches in the 70's -  to "repeal" the New Deal bit by bit so people don't see that's what is happening, stay complicit, and allow it to happen.  It's a long game, a marathon - and not sprint.

            Allowing bit-by-bit erosion of New Deal programs - like allowing chained CPI - is just as dangerous if not moreso because people will simply accept it due to the seemingly benign nature of the change.   Do this incremental change slowly over a few decades, and next thing you know, the entire New Deal and Great Society are gone, and we're back to where we were in the Gilded Age without much of a fight from the vast majority of voters.

            The moral of the story: beware incrementalism.

          •  the ACA expands the role of government (0+ / 0-)

            as custodian of corporate welfare, by ensuring a captive market for private insurers. In that sense, it goes far further than Reagan ever dared to go. So perhaps there is something to your thesis--but not in the way you'd hoped, I'm afraid.

            The ACA was based on Republican ideas. You can look this up, here. Obama even pointed  out that the ACA was based on Romneycare during last year's campaign!

            And if you insist on logic-chopping about the difference between "balanced budget" and "balanced approach", feel free. That's a distinction so tiny as to be imperceptible.

            Obama proposed $1.8 trillion of deficit reduction in his last budget. That's his notion of a "balanced approach".

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:45:28 AM PDT

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          •  also, I beg to differ with your claim (0+ / 0-)

            that it's not the undoing of the New Deal.

            If SS ceases to be a defined benefit program (which is what the chained CPI does, no matter how you sugarcoat it), then it's just another welfare program like any other, and can be cut back whenever the government feels like it.

            It has lasted for three quarters of a century because people believe and trust that the government will pay its obligations to them--without exception. That trust is the HEART of the New Deal. That's what FDR promised, and Truman and LBJ kept that promise.

            Break that trust, and you'll be shocked how quickly support for the program crumbles. The Republicans will demagogue it as just another handout to poor minorities, and it will be swiftly pulverized.

            If the chained CPI goes through, the next economic downturn will be used as an opportunity to enact sweeping cuts to SS. It may happen during the last two years of Obama's presidency, or it may happen during his successor's presidency, whether Republican or Democratic.

            But happen it will, and soon.

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 10:00:16 AM PDT

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      •  Love your stance, Ian. Keep it up, you ally, you. (4+ / 0-)

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:03:58 AM PDT

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    •  Another key difference (1+ / 0-)
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      between Reagan and BO:  Reagan wholeheartedly supported his party.  

      I'm not sure why we keep calling BO a centrist.  Bush was radical, and BO continued, if not further advanced, many of Bush's actions.  I would say that cutting soc sec benes is radical.

      The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:40:34 AM PDT

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      •  Okay. You can refer to President Obama as BO (1+ / 0-)
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        Ian Reifowitz

        and I can refer to that senile old actor as Raygun.  The fool who busted unions, destroyed the university system in CA, threw thousands of mentally ill patients onto the street and funded Contras by illegally selling arms to Iran.

        Republicans simply SUCK.

        My money's on Barack Hussein Obama, the:

        Best. President. Ever.

        by Little Lulu on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:52:05 AM PDT

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    •  Pay now or pay later (1+ / 0-)
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      Going into debt always makes the economy look good today (like buying steak dinners on a credit card when you're unemployed) but eventually it destroys you like it did Greece. And "sovereign currency" has about as much credibility as "sovereign citizens" i.e. none. All anyone cares about are goods and services you import and export.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:49:46 AM PDT

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    •  You do realize that.... (5+ / 0-)

      if we start creating better jobs, people will pay more money in taxes, and that will help reduce the deficit, right?

      If we finally get manufacturing jobs back in this country, that will mean more employees, and that inherently means more jobs, and more in taxes, and that will reduce the deficit, right?

      If we revise the tax code so that the very wealthy pay more of their share, that means more in taxes, and that will reduce the deficit, right...?

      It doesn't all have to be hacking. And nobody likes hacked salami anyway.

      -----
      Tom Smith Online
      I want a leader who shoots for the moon. The last time we had one, we got to the moon.

      by filkertom on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:51:19 AM PDT

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      •  the way to create better jobs (0+ / 0-)

        is direct economic stimulus.

        The last time Obama proposed that was in 2009. And then he insisted on cutting it back when there was outcry from Democratic conservatives. That was the high-water mark of his Keynesian tendencies; since then, it's been almost all deficit reduction and "sensible" cuts.

        The most he proposes in his 2014 budget is $50 billion outlay for infrastructure; that comes up against $1.8 trillion he proposes in deficit reduction.

        Bringing manufacturing back? Obama is pushing the TPP, the mother of all free-trade pacts, one that allows corporations to sue the federal government in transnational private courts. This will nullify labor and environmental laws and ensure that corporations will relocate their manufacturing to wherever it's cheapest. Under such a pact, if manufacturing does come here, it will be under conditions akin to slavery.

        Tax raises during an economic downturn don't stimulate the economy. At best they're neutral, at worst they take money out of the economy. They make people feel like the rich are getting soaked (which they aren't, not in any meaningful) and allow Obama to pose as a friend of the little guy. Aside from that, they do no good, and potentially some bad.

        It doesn't all have to be hacking. And nobody likes hacked salami anyway.
        I agree it doesn't have to be, but I'm afraid that it will be an uphill battle to convince the austerians of that.

        People are so fixated on the Republican boogeymen that they don't get that we are being done to death by pinpricks. Just because they're crazy doesn't mean that Obama and the Democrats are sane.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:43:50 AM PDT

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    •  Eliminating corporate tax loopholes. (2+ / 0-)
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      Collecting more tax dollars from big corporations used to be considered progressive, but not anymore now that Obama proposes it. That doesn't fit the narrative about Obama being an secret conservative aching to cut Social Security.

      Let's bring it back to reality. Obama isn't pushing for big Social Security cuts. He said he's willing to compromise with Republicans to get tax increase which he'll use to increase spending on progressive priorities that will stimulate the economy. You can argue that's a bad trade-off, but the way you're portraying Obama's position is deceptive.

  •  But what really sucks in this (2+ / 0-)

    is that neither side is talking about moderation. It's not like McConnell is just going to stop filibustering executive and judicial nominees. All these two groups are discussing are the proper tactics they should follow in destroying the country. Neither side want to return to their roots. They are all tea partiers. It's just the degree to which they show up in public.

    And our country cannot handle either of those two groups for much longer.

  •  Ouch. I missed the one about protecting diplomats (7+ / 0-)

    abroad. Not too subtle a dig at the repubs for trying to use Benghazi as a cudgel to beat him when they actually cut funding to diplomats.

  •  In all that was in that first quote (6+ / 0-)

    ...the main thing wingers zeroed in on was:

    It provides security to our diplomats abroad.
    In order to scream:
    What about Benghazi?!
    I've come to the conclusion that Barack Obama could say:
    The sky is a glorious blue today.
    and they'd say:
    No, it's not, it's cerulean.

    :) the above thoughts come from a crazy mind. ;)

    by Shreve on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:27:19 AM PDT

  •  It's About Freakin' Time!!! (9+ / 0-)

    Ronald Reagan's making government the enemy is the most toxic element of his legacy - and it also made Democrats the enemy, because they're all for "Big Government".

    It's about time the leading Democrat pushed back on that one. More please!

    And if a Tea-publican or any other kind of Republican screams about Government being too big, come right  out and say you WANT big government.
    •You want a government big enough to deal with a Superstorm Sandy.
    •You want a government big enough to rebuild a country that's falling apart.
    •You want a government big enough to make corporations be good citizens.
    •You want a government big enough to keep Wall Street from blowing up the economy again.
    •You want a government big enough to deal with AIDS, SARS, MERS or any other disease coming down the pike.
    •You want a government big enough to do something about jobs and hunger when the private sector won't.
    •You want a government big enough to keep food safe, water drinkable, and air breathable.
    •You want a government big enough to see no one has to be sick or die for lack of healthcare.
    •You want a government big enough to ensure that everyone can get a good education.
    •You want a government big enough so that you can have a safe and secure retirement.
    •You want a government big enough to be ready for whatever the future brings.
    •You want a government big enough to keep you safe in a dangerous world.
    •You want a government big enough to have the resources to work right for everyone.

    Government is good -  in the hands of people who believe in it and in the public good.

    And if they come back with screaming about being taxed to death, look 'em right in the eye and ask if them how much they think civilization is worth. Ask them if they want to live in a world where their security depends on how much money they have - and what kind of weapons they have to keep others from taking it. Ask them if they really love this country, why don't they want to pay their fair share to keep it running.  

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:54:11 AM PDT

  •  Regan created the problem (3+ / 0-)
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    Like the auto manufacturers who traded a pension system for a fair wage, then failed to invest in the pensions, Reagan abused the military and put us all in a deficit situation.

    The entire conservative policy is to militarize the population, provide security through military benefits, and make the us dependent on the government, unable to take care of ourselves.  For instance, according to some reports, the average military service rose from a little over 6 years to at least 8 years during the time of Reagan/Bush, the highest average in post war times. This may indicate that government policy pushed young people to become dependent on the military rather than just using it as a stepping stone.

    Military benefits are extremely expensive.  A person who spends 20 years in the military is entitled to significantly draw on tax payer funds for a lifetime.  Resources such as medical care and food are preferencially delivered to the military through taxpayer funded hospitals and subsidized stores.

    It is hard not to attribute our current situation to the bad conservative policies.

  •  One thing to remember (4+ / 0-)

    The only real difference between Tea-publicans and the rest of the party is a disagreement on tactics, how to get what they want.  Their goals are still pretty much the same.

    We must never forget that.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:59:01 AM PDT

  •  Love Obama in a cowboy hat (4+ / 0-)
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    That pic was taken here in Colorado. I have it in my favorite pics on my pc. HOT!!!

    "21st Century Freedom in the USA: Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%"

    by coloradorob on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:05:26 AM PDT

  •  Apologies. Have to step away for a while (2+ / 0-)
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    But I'll be back later to read and reply to comments. Thanks for stopping by.

  •  I doubt (3+ / 0-)
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    very much that the shutdown - and the resulting lack of services provided by government during it - convinced too many of the "get off my lawn!" brand of rightwingnut that government provides them with any valuable services.

    These people have an empathy and reality block:  Only when they themselves need a particular government program or service do they finally understand that programs value.  For example - they won't admit to the need for infrastructure spending - but if suddenly a bridge gets closed and their commuting time to work doubles, suddenly, the dim light bulb over their head turns on and they scream for that bridge to be fixed yesterday.

    •  But that's the point of what I wrote below (1+ / 0-)
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      The problem is that we have let the debate run on how government affects people DIRECTLY. And for most people, it's taxes. Hardly a warm and fuzzy.

      But government affects all of us INDIRECTLY. The key is in making the indirect, direct. We're almost ALL affected by having a loved one on Social Security, Medicare, or is a veteran. We are all affected by workplace safety, education, and the health of the food supply. Not to mention things like roads, parks, police, and fire departments. And again, not to mention the stellar job our military does keeping us safe, and free.

      We have almost literally let the GOP get away with murder, the murder of government.

      The indirect can be the direct once we take off the mysterious cloak of darkness.

      And this is a great time to be driving home the idea in our own personal way that people who want nothing to do with the business of government have no business being in government.

      What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

      by equern on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 01:29:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We're on the same page (1+ / 0-)
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        just expressing it differently.  I'm saying Republicans tend not to understand the value of government until they need it and see a tangible value to it that benefits themselves.  You're saying that there are plenty of things they won't ever understand the value of because they'll never see a tangible benefit they'll recognize.

        Either way you put it, the point we're both really relaying is that they're too obtuse to recognize the value of government unless it whacks them upside their obtuse heads.

  •  Thanks Ian (5+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:12:19 AM PDT

  •  From The Diary (3+ / 0-)
    He ( Obama ) then used that pain to strike at the very heart of modern Republicanism, the myth put forth by Ronald Reagan that "government is the problem."
    Just one example of a GOP response to this

    ABC's This Week was 90% "pro republican shut down the gov " , they all were every upset that Obama would dare to disagree with St Ronny in the speech you speak of  , and how Obama is only dividing the nation and congress even further by not governing 100% pro GOP

    Seriously , 90% of what I have seen from the MSM is GOP damage control  

    Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

    by Patango on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:15:38 AM PDT

  •  That's the most important public statement (2+ / 0-)
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    Obama has made.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:18:22 AM PDT

  •  I am glad, very glad! nt (2+ / 0-)
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    * Move Sooner ~ Not Faster *

    by ArthurPoet on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:22:38 AM PDT

  •  Government is the Problem When Republicans Run It (2+ / 0-)
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    because they hate government and working for a greater good.

  •  Clever Ronnie comparisons are all well & good, Ian (3+ / 0-)
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    But until Michelle has Mr T over to the White House for Christmas, we can't take your thesis seriously.

  •  u can't polish a turd, u can roll it in sprinkles (1+ / 0-)
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    the reagan god construct is another RW radio succesuccess.

    team  limbaugh got its start when reagan killed the fairness  doctrine and they have kissed his ass for 20 years. limbaugh especially did a great job excusing reagan era crimes and attacking his critics, making it harder to prosecute the iran contra crimes and rewriting that history, and selling the  reagan economic destruction as a good thing. this tea talk radio party bullshit is the result.

    team limbaugh has been doing a lot of sprinkling and rolling.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 11:00:50 AM PDT

  •  more than Reaganism (2+ / 0-)
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    The shutdown showed us all the ways that government, rather than being the problem, actually solves problems and does things that matter in all of our lives. Here Obama has taken direct aim at Reaganism—

    I think it goes much deeper than Reaganism. The Constitution itself was constructed as a charter of negative liberties- it says what the govt cannot do to you, rather than what the govt should do for you, on your behalf. It could be said that the creators of the Constitution were "anti-government", extremists.

  •  its is extremeism and most of our lame stream (3+ / 0-)
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    media, is ignoring it. I wish they would call it out more esp. when that look Ted Cruz starts yaking, but like climate change, the media is, I guess owned, and they can't talk about things like "extremeism" and "climate change." Ugh.

  •  IMO, Pres. Obama invested a huge amount of his (4+ / 0-)
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    personal capital for more than four years in attempting to reach across the aisle, accommodate the Republicans and create relationships with them.  It is manifestly obvious that the train wreck is almost completely the fault of the Republicans.

    Pres. Obama has finally got his ROI and it's huge.  

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 11:16:48 AM PDT

  •  This isn't the first time. (2+ / 0-)
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    Obama made a strong attack on Reaganism in his BP Gulf oil spill speech from the oval office. But, the netroots mostly followed the lead of GE employee Keith Olberman in complaining about how terrible the speech was. Hardly anyone noticed that it was maybe most liberal speech given from the oval office since Carter.

    The sad part is that if the netroots had taken notice of his pro-regulation, anti-Reaganism comments in that speech we could have been an echo chamber to change the mainstream political debate in our favor. But, that was in Obama's first two years when everyone was in non-stop complain about Obama mode.

  •  Civility (4+ / 0-)
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    Yes, I’m old school. Civility is dead in America because most of us inadvertently contribute to it.

    Could not rec your Great diary because of your lack of respect for the office and person of the POTUS! This is the meme Karl Rove started on day one of President Obama’s Presidency – that he would not refer to him as President Obama, instead would use the honorific, ‘Mr.” or simply refer to him as Obama.

    This is not a small matter – all the RW have been trying to do is delegitimize President Obama, and I think, a great guy like you shouldn’t give them fodder. It is sad when you hear four year olds, teens, etc call the POTUS just by his last name without any deference to the office or/and the person. It is a disgrace and shame on all of us adults!

    Please edit your very first line to read, “President Barack Obama…” You could on your subsequent mention just say Obama if you like.

    It would not hurt to refer to the crying, orange, buffoon Boehner as Speaker Boehner.
    Let’s try change the culture!

  •  The KEY is making the indirect direct (3+ / 0-)
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    If you look at the list of people and things that government does, it doesn't touch a lot of people DIRECTLY. If you're not a senior, a veteran, or welfare, or a diplomat, etc. the only way you interface directly with government is taxes.

    No wonder the GOP has made so much headway with that meme.

    But it doesn't stop there. There are COUNTLESS ways in which we all interface with government INDIRECTLY. It could be loved one in the above groups, or it could be via roads, education, healthcare, or technology. Not to mention the extent to which we are all indirectly affected by the military, police, and fire departments.

    That's the key that's been missing in this debate. Obama took a good stab at that in this speech. What the Democrats need to do is flesh it out and turn it into a meme of our own.

    The indirect is the direct, once the cloak of darkness is removed.

    What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

    by equern on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 01:21:08 PM PDT

  •  The GOP is NOT ignorant or stupid... (2+ / 0-)
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    although many of its members may be, along with some of its celebrities...Ted Cruz was a brilliant scholar. He knows exactly what he is doing in persuing goals of his own.

     Much of their "drama" is orchestrated to cause damage to the US economy...they want Obama to fail.

    But he looks damn good in that hat :)

    Anger management class really pissed me off.

    by old mark on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 01:34:32 PM PDT

  •  I go one step further. I think in our democracy, (1+ / 0-)
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    (government of, by and for the people) we ARE the government.  When instead of improving ourselves and working ever harder to make people's lives easier, we attack our form of government and the people who try to keep its systems working we are showing signs of an autoimmune disease.  We are attacking our healthy organs because we confuse them with disease or foreign bodies.

    I continue the metaphor with a goal of a healthy immune system when it comes to our democracy instead of one that will mistakenly lead to destroying what we treasure.

  •  Government was the problem here (1+ / 0-)
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    Due to the shutdown of Yosemite National Park, at least one business is having to close.

    http://www.sacbee.com/...

  •  You don't think that picture of Obama (0+ / 0-)

    next to Reagan is a bit too much ?  

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

    by dkmich on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:05:58 PM PDT

  •  There is a new awareness; that is for sure (2+ / 0-)
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    Reagan's most treasured myth is crumbling.
    A carefully nurtured myth that has been the foundation of the republicans party and served the interests of the 1%ers dividing the working folk and causing republican working folk to vote againsts their own interest based on this long held lie:

    "government is the problem"

    What the shutdown has done for a new awareness from Barney Frank:

    "We've created in this country with regard to government, a whole that is smaller than the sum of its parts.
      You ask people if they like government and the answer is 'I don't like government'.
      What about Head Start?, what about the parks?, what about environmental protection?...'oh I like that'
     Well what people have now been reminded is that this abstract entity that they've said they dislike is not an abstract entity. It is a collection of vital services that are important to the quality of their lives. and I hope out of this will come some renewed understanding of that point"
    (Barney Frank @ minute 5:45 | short ad - sorry)  

    Excellent point that seems to be happening. The latest polls indicate this.

    One of Reagans/"conservatives" oldest most destructive propaganda tool (Cadillac queens and all it's variants) used by the "conservatives" to separate working folk from what is theirs - the government - and to have many on the right voting against their own interests - is unraveling.

    So good to see Barney Franks recognizing and voicing this development. An end to this could be a huge cbange, and devastating for the "conservative" movement / 1%er party
    .............................................

    And from Charles M. Blow | Published: October 18, 2013  

    The President’s Pivot

    “Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.”
    That quote, from Sun Tzu’s ancient Chinese treatise “The Art of War,” perfectly captures President Obama’s strategic victory over Tea Party members of Congress on the government shutdown and the debt ceiling debate. It also explains his immediate pivot to another topic that Tea Partyers hate and over which their obstinacy is likely to get the party hammered again: comprehensive immigration reform.

    This is a brilliant tactical move on the president’s part. And Republicans know it.
     - emphasis added

    Yeah the GOP is in crisis. This from "The National Interest" (not exactly a liberal outlook) : What Would Reagan Do?

    The GOP is not in trouble. It is in crisis.
    Thx Ian Reifowitz
  •  Wait a minute. This is the same Obama (0+ / 0-)

    of whom Consortiumnews noted "Though Obama’s chief point was that Reagan in 1980 “put us on a fundamentally different path” – which may be historically undeniable – the Democratic presidential candidate went further, justifying Reagan's course correction because of “all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s, and government had grown and grown, but there wasn’t much sense of accountability?”"

    That Obama?

  •  Reagan is the problem, government the solution (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Here's my diary a few days before BOH's speech (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    Rooting out Right Wing Extremism. He's doing exactly what needs to be done.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  TP Please! (2+ / 0-)
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    Dear Tea Party 'Patriots', your vote is your voice and if you don't think your voice is being heard, don't cry out, just count your numbers. You keep saying how sick and tired you are of everything that Obama is doing. You know what. a lot of people around the country are sick and tired of you and they outnumber you 3 or more to 1. And enough with the we love the constitution. The rest of us are tired of hearing you say that. We're starting to think you love the constitution so much, the pages are stuck together. And finally, stop being angry all the time. A burst of anger shows that you care enough about something that you want to see it go a certain way. Being angry for 4 years just means that your fantasy isn't about to come to life any time soon and you have not come to terms with it.

  •  Is it almost over for the (0+ / 0-)

    republican party?

    Finally---and at long last?

    Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

    by lyvwyr101 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:41:44 AM PDT

  •  Past time to counter-attack Tea Partiers (2+ / 0-)
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    They represent a dangerous minority comprised of economic suicide vest terrorists who would blow up themselves, the USA and the world in their anti-Obamacare jihad and they are political thugs who have used gerrymandered Congressional districts to so successfully stymied most of the legislation and Presidential appointments which the majority of Americans want . They have hi-jacked one of the glorious events of our country 's history, the Boston Tea Party, driven by the slogan "no taxation without representation." For whatever the reason nobody has taken these hi-jackers to task and pointed out that not only in the Presidential and Senatorial races of 2012 did Democratic voters outnumber Republicans but EVEN IN THE CONGRESSIONAL races Democrats got 1.2 million more votes but lost control of the House solely because of gerrymandering. So isn't it time that we have a REAL Tea Party to achieve MAJORITY representation?

  •  Obama depends on giveaways to stay popular (0+ / 0-)

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage."

  •  POTUS (2+ / 0-)
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    I guess  the GOP found out what the President says matters.  He would not knuckle down to the obstructionists who never wanted a black president. That fact was madepublic during his . his first term..To the  GOP..........Now, let's work for the people who pay your .salaries, the American oublic!

  •  What TP'ers forget (or purposely omit) (1+ / 0-)
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    is the first phrase of Reagan's quote, which puts it in context and makes it much less of a "Rule To Live By" than Republicans currently make it out to be.

    From Reagan's first Inaugural Address:

    "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

    "This present crisis" was 30 years ago. What is interesting is that what follows in the speech could be directly referencing the corporate takeover of government we are currently experiencing. The GOP should read and take to heart what Reagan said two paragraphs later:

    "We hear much of special interest groups. Our concern must be for a special interest group that has been too long neglected. It knows no sectional boundaries or ethnic and racial divisions, and it crosses political party lines. It is made up of men and women who raise our food, patrol our streets, man our mines and our factories, teach our children, keep our homes, and heal us when we are sick—professionals, industrialists, shopkeepers, clerks, cabbies, and truckdrivers. They are, in short, “We the people,” this breed called Americans. "

    It is time for Republicans to remember the vast majority of Americans.

  •  Right message, wrong target (0+ / 0-)

    I agree 100% that Regan's assertion that "government is not the solution, government IS the problem" has done the country monstrous harm. But no one has made that more direct and tangible than Grover Norquist and his colluders like Club for Growth and unseen forces who have funded them and pioneered the use of right-wing partisan media into a defacto extortion and fraud complex.

    Norquist turned Reagan's assertion into a crusade--the record has been staring America in the face since the beginning of the first "republican revolution" in 1994-5 in which the tactic to bring down "government"--the fixation of irrational negative obsession since his childhood was to create extortion pressure on wanna-be republican Congress-persons though a pledge to an anti-tax totality for which there would be rewards for signers and obscurity if not worse for abstainers. Be advised, Mitt Romney signed, just to give you some indication of Norquist's encompassing power scope.  

    The cumulative result over many election cycles would be a republican Congress with enough hard-line ideologues and/or low-scruple, low qualification "stand-ins" who would be run because of their willingness to acquiesce to Norquist (where smarter types would not sign away their good names) that a faction, if not the whole party could become a totality of "contrarianism" against all democratic progress that might mean government expansion--as they see the Affordable Care Act, that artificial roll-backs like the sequester could become a reality and unwillingness to make routine changes in revenue would cause grounds for showdowns like the government shut down and debt ceiling issues which we just experienced. Note that although the press seems to be touting the lack of more concessions (caving) by the President as a WIN, the economy lost tens more billions of dollars, the sequester is still in effect, and the manufactured crises will be back again in months.

    I made a plea that allies of the President urge him to go after those really at the end of the chain of extortion and fraud who are even in elected office and, if not make them face personal prosecution, establish that what they have done has brought a defacto extortion and fraud matrix to bear on the republican side of government and that this is proved to act as it obviously does, a lower court can issue a "cease and desist" order to Norquist and all signatories of this ideological totality pledge to defund the government and the Affordable Health Care act. This will put the hard-liners on notice that their scheme is now understood and furtherance of it a prosecutable crime for violation of the court order.

    I was called "stupid", told I should delete my insights immediately. People contrived colloquial language I used to imply connection with processes I had no knowledge of nor could my ancestors have taken part in as they were damn near slaves in a foreign land themselves. But wearing a cowboy had and talking about the shortfalls of a dead President's foolishness is not IMO at all anywhere near what this country needs to end this extortion and fraud matrix causing man-made crises--it is investigation by the Department of Justice aimed at the process--not the people or their subterfuge. They have gotten away with far too much and will again until the Norquist pledge and things of its nature to make one or two points of taxes such contentious issues are prohibited by law.  I hope that this comment reaches a better class of person than the pack of buffoons who missed every point I made and chose to insult me and urge that my insights be deleted. I'm not stupid. This is all right there in our history.

    "Education Is Not the Filling of a Pail, But the Lighting of a Fire" W.B. Yeats

    by RareBird0 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 03:39:21 PM PDT

  •  Lancing the boil.... (1+ / 0-)
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    I am happy with the recent shutdown of the shutdown but very doubtful that any "boil" has been lanced.   The radicals will persist, they've been working at this since the founding of the republic.  

    The ACA will be implemented successfully regardless of the bumps on the road.   Lacking this or gay marriage as an issue - this is also falling like dominoes one state after another - I expect the 2016 election will focus on secession.  

    That's all they have left.

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