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If you're in the vicinity of Washington, D.C., Saturday, I urge you to join the Stop Watching Us: Rally Against Mass Surveillance at 11:30 a.m. (Details at the link.) Oct. 26 is the 12th anniversary of the rancid Patriot Act. Formed just four months ago, the StopWatching.us coalition comprises more than 100 public advocacy organizations from across the political spectrum. The demands? Congress should investigate the NSA’s spying programs to the full extent, reform federal surveillance law and hold accountable officials responsible for hiding this surveillance from both and the public.

Marchers will gather in front of Union Station at 11:30 a.m. by the Christopher Columbus Memorial Fountain in Columbus Circle. Shortly after noon they will march to the rally point at National Mall at 3rd Street and Madison Dr. NW, in front of the Capitol Reflecting Pool.


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2007FISA: Keeping Secrets:

The administration really doesn't want the people to know what the NSA was doing and who they were spying on with their warrantless wiretaps, to the extent that they will finally release the documents that the committee subpoenaed four months ago. The Intelligence Committee has already seen these documents, and they were possibly sufficiently convincing enough for all of the Dems on the committee, excepting Wyden and Feingold, to support the FISA bill coming out of Intelligence.
The White House has offered leaders of the Senate Judiciary Committee access to legal documents related to the National Security Agency’s warrantless surveillance program, senators said Thursday.
But Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., said while the White House had offered the documents to both him and the panel’s ranking Republican, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, he was pushing for the entire committee to receive access to the documents. But he also said he would take advantage of the offer and review the documents.
As the entire Intelligence Committee, and staff, have seen the documents it seems ridiculous that the entire Judiciary Committee can't see them as well. But what's more ridiculous is the fact that the information be withheld from the American public forever, which is what telecom amnesty would mean.

Tweet of the Day:

#GOP Shorter: "We aren't just arbitrarily against everything that #Obama is for—unless he said we aren't, in which case we are."
@ericwolfson



On today's Kagro in the Morning show, brought to you once again by CREDO Mobile, Greg Dworkin wraps up the week inhealthcare.gov freak-outs, and suggests we may be coming to the end of the effective life of that issue. Meanwhile, polls show Gop favorability cratering among key demos. We discuss the Michael Hayden/Tom Matzzie encounter. How Fox News set up a fellow reporter for attacks. Follow-up on whether the Kochs bankrolled the shutdown strategy. Christine O'Donnell elbows her way back into the news. A HuffPo investigation of privatized juvenile prison facilities.



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  •  I feel stupid telling you this (11+ / 0-)

    I posted a diary tonight;

    Last Chance for Kiku at the NYBG

    But I’m not as stupid as I look. There is a reason I post diaries here.

  •  And isn't art fun? (12+ / 0-)

    Dora Marra makes Hair Accessories and Fascinators. Check out the lady in the background doing a selfie.

    Dora Marra and Friend  

    This guy is trucking around the laughs.

    Isn't Art Fun?

    And then there’s Sarella Suarez and her beautiful daughter. Handmade jewelry is the family business.

    Sarella Suarez Jewelry

  •  I wonder if they gave 57 reasons (13+ / 0-)

    http://www.usatoday.com/...

    McDonalds' ending relationship with Heinz

    McDonald's has lost its taste for Heinz ketchup.

    The fast-food giant said in a statement Friday that it is cutting ties with the condiment company after 40 years due to management changes there. A former Burger King CEO became head of Heinz in June after the company was bought by Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway and 3G Capital. 3G, a Brazilian investment firm, also controls Burger King.

    The impact of the change may be tasted more overseas. In the U.S., McDonald's uses Heinz products only in Pittsburgh and Minneapolis restaurants.

    "As a result of recent management changes at Heinz, we have decided to transition our business to other suppliers over time," McDonald's said in a statement. The Oak Brook, Illinois-based restaurant chain did not disclose the value of their business relationship.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:34:16 PM PDT

  •  Yea for the Rally against Warrantless Domestic (10+ / 0-)

    Spying and intelligence gathering on US Citizens--and everyone else.

    I guess it's time to recycle my Restore the Fourth Tee-shirt tomorrow, since I am no where near Union Station obviously

    Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

    by GreenMother on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:39:31 PM PDT

    •  Ya know, GreenMother, I don't really care if they (5+ / 0-)

      spy on me. I've often thought that dying of boredom, as they would if they spied on me, would be their just reward. But then, I remember that if they're spying on me, I'm paying for it -- their salaries and all their associated expenses -- and I get really pissed about it. What a monumental waste of money while there are so many in this country with monumental needs. Spying on me? They need to stop it, just stop it.

    •  Yeah, Congress should investigate! (1+ / 0-)
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      I am sure the Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence will get right on that.

      "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." --Townes Van Zandt

      by Bisbonian on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 03:01:26 AM PDT

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      •  DiFi has gone 'round the bend (1+ / 0-)
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        Truly, I'm worried about whether or not she has Alzheimer's.  She's most assuredly a DINO of the worst sort with this new unconstitutional Teahadist idiocy.  Get a load of what she's proposing for a new law - worthy of the craziness of Dumbya and Dickie - (and check out the photo with the wild & crazy eyes at the link):

        Sen. Feinstein’s Proposed Bill Would Incriminate Anyone Speaking Against NSA’s Spying and Courts

        It was also reported by the Guardian that Senator Feinstein is anticipating introducing legislation, which would criminally punish those who make critical statements about the NSA and its secret courts.

        Feinstein’s bill comes just in time in the agency’s favor, considering both the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) have active lawsuits against the NSA for its unconstitutional surveillance of US citizens.

        Her constituents should demand her resignation or primary her next time she runs for re-election.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 03:55:51 AM PDT

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        •  Wow! She hasn't "gone around the bend", (0+ / 0-)

          As she has always supported this sort of crap (it makes her rich, via her profiteering husband), but this is truly a new low, even for her.

          And I don't consider her a DINO, either.  She is one of the biggest faces of the Democratic Party.

          "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." --Townes Van Zandt

          by Bisbonian on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 04:37:56 AM PDT

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          •  That's precisely why... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... DiFi should act like a Democrat for a change, not a DINO.

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 06:20:34 PM PDT

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        •  WTF DiFi? What else could this be other than (1+ / 0-)
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          NonnyO

          a thought crime for starters, flashbacks of the aliens and sedition act--How old is she? And does she know what century we are in currently?

          Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

          by GreenMother on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 11:23:37 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you for steeling my resolve NonnyO (1+ / 0-)
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          Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

          by GreenMother on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 11:24:19 AM PDT

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          •  Velbekomme.... (1+ / 0-)
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            Flashbacks..., and wondering just how close to the Bushista administration she was that she could come up with a proposal for a law that could only come out of Orwellian "normality" (I did know her hubby - and therefore DiFi - profited handsomely from the illegal and unconstitutional wars the Bushistas pushed on us).  I can remember a point during those horrible eight years when speaking against "Dear Leader" was tantamount to treason - at least according to the Repukes, Moronic Media, and even a few Dems.  I have never, ever understood how anyone in their right mind could say they "liked the guy in spite of everything."

            [Seriously?!?  What does it take to forgive and "like" a torturer, war criminal, and liar?!?  I get a PTSD attack every time I accidentally hear their voices or see their pictures.]

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 12:04:24 PM PDT

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  •  Have a great weekend everyone! (8+ / 0-)

    "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:42:10 PM PDT

  •  I used to have a sig that read, (4+ / 0-)
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    "Fuck Big Brother! From Now On___We're Watching!"

    Ed Snowden certainly was. And for that, he got a one-way trip to Siberia.
    Don't worry, Ed. What goes around, comes around.

    We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

    by franklyn on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:42:40 PM PDT

  •  How do you answer this wingnut question? (6+ / 0-)
    Why is it important to label Obama a victim by pointing out his race?

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
    This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

    by MTmofo on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:52:03 PM PDT

  •  Somthieng has to give (2+ / 0-)
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    written in response to reading tomorrow's NY Times column by Charles M. Blow

    in this post for which I request your attention.

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:02:26 PM PDT

    •  Something has to give (0+ / 0-)

      I am tired and do not have my glasses on.  Sorry about that

      "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

      by teacherken on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:03:00 PM PDT

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  •  I wonder what he'll tell his best friend, (11+ / 0-)

    who happens to be black?

    Probably something like: "Don't cut the grass so short, next time."

    :)

    Don Yelton

    Despite the controversy, Yelton tells Xpress: "The comments that were made, that I said, I stand behind them. I believe them."

    http://www.mountainx.com/...

    "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:06:23 PM PDT

    •  What the NSA has been doing is outrageous (1+ / 0-)
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      viral

      On the other hand, I don't care to hear any of the crocodile tears coming from France, Germany, etc, etc, etc about American spying.

      They're all doing the exact same kind of spying that they're acting outraged about with us.

      "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:31:15 PM PDT

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      •  link please (2+ / 0-)
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        Miggles, Bisbonian

        how low can the US stoop before you fess up and admit it?

        If it's so routine why doesn't Obama just make all his phone calls and electronic transmissions totally open and transparent. After all, all the 'Allies' are already 'spying' on us, and that's 'ok' with us.

        riiiiight?

        •  Seriously, you don't think everyone (0+ / 0-)

          isn't spying on each other?

          Puuleeease...

          "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

          by Jeff Y on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 10:43:51 PM PDT

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          •  so Watergate is A-OK (2+ / 0-)
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            after all it's nothing like what the NSA's doing.

            Nixon only wanted to know what was going on in the headquarters. If he'd only ran today rather than in 1972 he'd be a Hero.

            As far as I'm concerned, I won't vote for people that wanna spy on my children and their Grandparents- or my siblings, my neighbors or my friends.

            And, no- not everybody is doing what the NSA is doing. It's unprecedented. And now the cat's outta the bag and the party is over. Whatever we're snooping in on is done said with the knowledge that this administration is full of peeping tom liars.

    •  go to the link. (0+ / 0-)

      read who's being targeted.
      please.

      Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes. @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.

      by greenbird on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 01:17:39 AM PDT

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  •  Ms Information 2013? (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, MTmofo, Jeff Y, Eric Nelson

    We Report, You Decide.

    I would've included Doocy, but he really does have a set. It's on his resume. "I really, really do have a set."

    We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

    by franklyn on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:13:19 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for the reminder about tomorrow, MB... (7+ / 0-)

    And thanks to Joan McCarter, the author of tonight's "Blast from the Past" diary, posted in 2007, which is darn-near indistinguishable subject-wise from diaries she continues to write, now, six years later, on this matter.

    Sadly, as far as the NSA is concerned, apparently, the more things change, the more they stay the same, and even get worse.




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

    by DeadHead on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:26:17 PM PDT

  •  Loved the ending video (0+ / 0-)

    popculture references to the tea party make me happy. Happy in a perverse documentary sense.

  •  4 months ago?? (0+ / 0-)

    After 12 years of the Patriot Act?  Like Occupy,  another reactionary headless movement going nowhere.

    'Slower Traffic - Keep Right!'

    by luvbrothel on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 10:06:47 PM PDT

  •  Tonight both Tom Matzzie, the CEO of.. (5+ / 0-)

    .. Ethical Electric and Jesselyn Radack appeared @ 'All In w/ Chris hayes.

    Spying on the Spies: The Brilliance of Matzzie's Acela Encounter with Hayden by Kossack Jesselyn Radack | October 25, 2013

    - A Diary covering Tom Matzzie and his tweeting adventures sitting a seat away from former NSA Head Michael Hayden.

    Matzzie offered Hayden a small taste of what it is like to have your every conversation monitored.
     - Jesselyn Radack
    The series of tweets before and then after he was discovered by someone who then called Former NSA head Michael Hayden are pretty funny but on a very serious issue:

    Also Tom Matzzie's work @ Ethical Elecric sounds very interesting:

    Tom Matzzie - Founder & CEO

    Tom Matzzie is Founder and CEO of Ethical Electric. For more than a dozen years Tom built big online communities for social impact causes that disrupted incumbents in the space. His work developed innovations that today are best practices—pioneering online civic engagement. He is a widely recognized expert in his field. The New York Times Magazine profiled Tom’s work with MoveOn.org calling him "a rising star." He has raised more than $150 million online from millions of cause-related donors in $5 and $10 chunks.

    Tom continues to advise causes and companies in the social impact sector and he serves on the board of the Community Power Network—a network of community-scale renewable energy groups. In addition to pulling together the Ethical Electric team, Tom will apply his deep experience building online audiences to the customer acquisition program.

    So: It would be very good if the transparency Joan McCarter was calling for/reporting on 6 years ago (2007 - tonight's blast from the past) becomes reality today with this re-awaking and this up coming rally:
    The demands? Congress should investigate the NSA’s spying programs to the full extent, reform federal surveillance law and hold accountable officials responsible for hiding this surveillance from both and the public.
    Thx MB  
    •  republican AA outreach in North Carolina going.. (3+ / 0-)
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      DeadHead, lupinella, JeffW

      ..as expected. Governor McCrory honoring Jesse Helms
      (short ad - sorry)
      transcript @ link:  http://video.msnbc.msn.com/...

      Unbelievable. republican rebranding - this is the best they can do:
      •  New Voter suppression laws targeting Dems .

      • Honoring White supremacist Jesse Helms.

      What Jesse Helms said about Carol Moseley Braun

      She was the first and only African-American woman elected to the United States Senate, the first African-American U.S. Senator for the Democratic Party
      Standing near an elevator as Senator Moseley passed nearby said to Orin Hatch:
      "I'm gonna sing Dixie until she cries"

       - Jesse Helms

      Yeah 2014 is becoming more and more crucial as the GOP is showing what they are all about, not just teabaggers, but the whole lot
  •  I dialed my jukebox back to 1975 this evening and (1+ / 0-)
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    landed on some of the cats who really put the FU in Fusion...

    Lenny White (D) with Larry Coryell (G), Al DiMeola (G), Doug Rauch (B), Onaje Allan Gumbs (P), and Tom Harrell (F)

    Pardon me while I search the house for some incense :)

    Compared to Iraq, the "healthcare.gov" rollout was absolutely flawless.

    by here4tehbeer on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 10:25:49 PM PDT

  •  some folks just need to (3+ / 0-)
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    lighten up about the postings in their comments

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 10:28:03 PM PDT

  •  I hope everyone reads... (4+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson, eeff, greenbird, JeffW

    this NSFWCorp piece within the next 24 hours while it's still available to read before it goes behind the paywall.  Balloon Juice warned us about some of the groups behind this Stop Watching Us rally, and how we should be very cautious of what their real agenda is.

    Now, some may dismiss that as just fearmongering over basic Marketing 101.  But there was also something I never knew, that the "Don't Touch My Junk" anti-TSA guy was actually a military contractor, and was trying to privatize the TSA and bust their union.  How many of you knew about that?  I certainly didn't, and y'all know how much I try to keep up with current events.

    •  Good to know. libertarians Rand Paul as an.. (2+ / 0-)
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      ..example have been marginalized by the republicans for a long time so it is no surprise that on several issues; marijuana legalization, NSA spying, military bloat etc., has been getting crafty at postioning himself on issues using progressive language.

      thank you for the link and the info on the TSA connection.

      I think (hope too) we Dems are pretty aware of the spin that the Randians will use to garner support wherever they can.

      We won't be fooled for instance into thinking that getting rid of the Fed, or the Dept of Education, or privatizing S.S. or Medicare etc. will ever be anything but a disaster for working folk and a backwards move for the country.

      Won't get past us. Those are the too important.

    •  is your normal self missing from the top (1+ / 0-)
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      of the threads, or is i dreaming of another day ?
      listening to the new users, watching the stars come out.
      miss the expected BK kickoff ...

      Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes. @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.

      by greenbird on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 01:21:07 AM PDT

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    •  Not sure I would put too much stock in (1+ / 0-)
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      that article. I've always been torn by the great design and illustrations on those NSFWCorp pieces and the (so far, based on those that I've read) poor quality of the writing. Maybe I shouldn't say writing since Mark Ames writes well; it's more his reasoning I take issue with.

      Ames' argument seems to be that opposition to the NSA is a secret plot whipped up by far-right groups in order to "trick" the left into endorsing their policies. His evidence for this (which he spends most of the post discussing) consists of a Reason Magazine story from the 1970s that talks about how the libertarian movement needs to better "sell" their ideas to the rest of the political spectrum. Apparently we're meant to believe this secret plan have been lying dormant for the past 30 years, only now springing into action.

      This is no better than Glenn Beck with his chalkboard dreaming up connections between Marxism and the Muslim Brotherhood. Even worse is the implication that only "libertarians" (which has been divorced of its original meaning to include only hardline capitalist fundamentalists) would be so "extreme" as to care about the fact that the military is surveilling all of us constantly.

      In reality, this is a mainstream issue and just because a few right-wing groups happen to agree with liberals doesn't mean that people like Charlie Rangel are going to be fooled into endorsing right-wing economic policies. In fact the NSA as it currently exists is already a right-winger's dream as far as Reagan-style privatization goes, with over 70% of the intelligence budget going to private firms by some estimates. When the current Director of National Intelligence is an ex-employee of the same corporation where the former Director of National Intelligence is now a Vice Chairman, maybe it's not just government that we're up against here?

      Apparently nothing will ever teach these people that the other 99 percent of the population exist. —George Orwell

      by ukit on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 05:19:41 AM PDT

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  •  That would be the USA PATRIOT Act (5+ / 0-)
    Uniting and
    Strengthening
    America by

    Providing
    Appropriate
    Tools
    Required to
    Intercept and
    Obstruct
    Terrorism

    Act of 2001

    Hahaha, "appropriate," that's the best part of all.

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 11:16:27 PM PDT

  •  No matter how many times you've put down (0+ / 0-)

    Texas, it is the quickest key to all problems. Win, lose or draw,  2014 is the key to the future of the entire world.
    If we lose, I believe that it will be so close that it will destroy the Republican party here indefinitely.
    Then comes the presidential election where the big vote comes.
    2014 is shudderingly vital.

    We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

    by franklyn on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 12:49:07 AM PDT

  •  United Healthcare Group???? (2+ / 0-)
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    WTF!?!

    Jeffrey D. Zients, President Obama’s troubleshooter on the project, said the general contractor, Quality Software Services Inc., a unit of the UnitedHealth Group, would now “manage the overall effort,” like a general contractor on a home improvement project. Notably, that company had a role in developing one of the most troubled components of the marketplace, which helped verify the identities of those registering.
    Obviously the inmates have been charged with oversight of the institution.
  •  btw, "Stalking" is the precise word for it. (5+ / 0-)

    Not 'watching' or 'monitoring' or even the 'tracking' business likes to use.

    If someone follows your every move, in your home, when you go outside, we'd say that someone is a Stalker. That's what we've got, a Stalker Culture in business and government.
     


    Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

    by Jim P on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 01:40:26 AM PDT

  •  Love the video.... Thanks, MB! (1+ / 0-)
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    I find what John Conyers had to say was a tad bit hypocritical, to say the least.  He had a chance to stop some of this spying in its tracks..., and he FAILED - miserably!  Conyers drew up a draft of an impeachment resolution before the '06 election.  My then-rep was a co-signer.  By Feb '07 I wrote my rep to ask when they were going to move on impeachment.  He wrote back that they weren't going to proceed for fear of "Republican backlash."  [It was Voter Backlash he had to worry about; after two more elections a Teahadist unseated his extraordinarily long terms in the House.  He failed miserably.  Now we have a Dem rep again, and this one at least is saying the right words about Social Security and Medicare, and he had prior experience as a rep many years ago, so he knows how things work, but I'm still reserving judgment on how he'll do in the long haul.]

    The Vets against the Iraq invasion/war met Conyers in a basement office somewhere in the capitol in '07 or '08, and since Conyers had heeded Nancy "impeachment-is-off-the-table" Pelosi, he had been neutered, de-clawed, de-fanged, and sat there with his head bowed, not even fighting back, like a beaten dog with his tail between his legs unable to give any kind of a good, logical answer the vets about why he wasn't going to proceed with the impeachment resolution.  He literally had nothing to say.  I watched the whole thing on C-SPAN.  If I hadn't been so pissed at the lack of action regarding impeachment, or even investigations into the lies and torture and war crimes, I might have felt sorry for him..., but I didn't, still don't, and I now have zero respect for him, right along with minus zero "respect" for Pelosi (I think she should resign; she's a useless corporate hack, and so is Conyers now).

    Otherwise, people I respect for one reason or another are speaking truth to power in the video.  I hope someone with the power to DO SOMETHING listens to them..., and pushes for repealing, in full, the illegal and unconstitutional AUMFs, Patriot Acts, MCA '06, FISA fiasco '08, MCA '09, and throw in closing the 'office of faith-based initiatives' Dumbya set up with an executive order.  The con law prof should have signed a countermanding executive order the first day of his first term in order to start to go back to a separation of church and state.  In any case, we need all of our rights back, as well as habeas corpus, and the only way to do that is repeal those laws IN FULL, not just change one or two paragraphs here or there.

    As I've said before, I reserve the right to lead my utterly boring life in PRIVATE.  If someone wants to know about my life, I can talk in great detail about what I do each day..., and bore someone into a coma within five minutes as I drone on and on and on..., so, really, letting me lead my boring life in PRIVATE is the way to be kind to dumb people.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 03:43:00 AM PDT

    •  "long, long ago in a galaxy far away"... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...I'll never forget these words Pelosi spoke in regards to impeaching Bush shortly after taking over THE gavel after we swept the House in '06:

      "The Constitution is worth it only if we can succeed".

      "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 05:16:12 AM PDT

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      •  Words... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... that still make me angry because I remember when Idiot Pelosi said them, too.  I don't know why, but that horrible phrase still has the power to make me feel faint surprise, quickly followed by a depressing low that the person who had all the power to get something done was effectively abdicating her authority to.... what?  Corporations?  War criminals?

        The interview where she said it was blogged on DK and published on Dave Lindorff's blog on 2 July 2007.
        Pelosi on Impeachment and Defending the Constitution: It's Just Not Worth It

        Published the same day (and this article is the reason why I did not support Obama's candidacy - he was saying the same things the other "frontrunner candidates" had already said which is why I couldn't support them, either):
        Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable

        Then, 13 July 2007, Bill Moyers Journal where he had John Nichols and Bruce Fein as guests - this is still one of my favorite things to watch (first two segments; the third is a video commentary on another topic).  Nichols' allegory of the little cherry wood box with presidential powers inside is priceless.  Bruce Fein was so keen to impeach both Bush and Cheney at the same time he was literally spluttering because he couldn't get his words out fast enough.  [The only fault I find with it is that Dennis Kucinich already had articles of impeachment and that was not mentioned; Moyers had Kucinich on as a guest a few weeks after this interview.]

        All of this made me a VERY unhappy person at the time, and it's the turning point for my total loss of respect for Pelosi, Obama, Conyers, and my rep, not to mention the other "frontrunner candidates" who also had the same lack of respect for their oath of office to support the Constitution.

        Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...........

        As you might expect, I will never, ever forgive these individuals for this traitorous betrayal of their oath of office and to the Constitution and this nation.  NEVER.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 06:17:43 PM PDT

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        •  NonnyO I feel the sting of everything you wrote... (0+ / 0-)

          ...here. I retired from full-time Democratic activism-where I was in daily contact with our leaders' staffers- no small measure for the lack of accountability and therefore justice. The only way I can wrap my mind around this whole pitiful conundrum is to understand the sheer magnitude of the scope of power that is excercised behind the scenes that is wielded by the un-elected powers that be in the halls of Congress. Nobody has clean hands. What we are living witnesses to is the slow, creeping evaporation of every single plank of reason, sanity, honor, accountability, justice, and yes, liberty that our Founding Fathers and their progeny risked all of their worldly goods for, to bequeath to We The People. Every word written was written in blood on this nation's battlefields throughout our very brief time as a republic. If the Constitution falls on one point, it falls on all points. And if the Constitution falls...well, you know the rest.

          The world is watching us and what they see by our actions, is not what we advertise. "Do as we say, not as we do" is just as unacceptable now as it was over 234 years ago. Leaders lead by example, not by dictate-or by divine right. "We were just following orders" didn't save the Reich from righteous justice. Nor will it prevent the pendulum that swings both ways through space and time from meting justice out to us, the very ones who wrote the Nuremberg principles condemning Nazi war criminals to death by hanging.

          Washington and the rest of those "traitorous rabble", didn't have to have a house fall on their heads to know first-hand what their failure to succeed meant. The tyranny, despotism, and the dire consequences that faced them in the form of King George's hangman's noose would pale by comparison the firing squads the Colonials would have surely faced in retribution for their treachery and insolence.

          So I feel your anguish. As I've written many times here before, "I live only to see Bush and his henchmen standing before an American war crimes tribunal". Justice, like charity begins at home.

          "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

          by ImpeachKingBushII on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 02:50:08 PM PDT

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  •  if you like predator drones flying over you... (0+ / 0-)

    ...you'll love the Hummingbird ARGUS-IS!

    1.8 gigapixel ARGUS-IS. World's highest resolution video surviellience platform by DARPA.

    "1 million terabytes a day saved forever.

    The ARGUS array is made up of several cameras and other types of imaging systems. The output of the imaging system is used to create extremely large, 1.8GP high-resolution mosaic images and video.

    The U.S. Army, along with Boeing, has developed and is preparing to deploy a new unmanned aircraft called the “Hummingbird.” It’s is a VTOL-UAS (vertical take-off and
    landing unmanned aerial system). Three of them are being deployed to Afghanistan for a full year to survey and spy on Afghanistan from an altitude of 20,000 feet with the ability to scan 25 square miles of ground surface".

    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/...

    Video link:
    http://www.liveleak.com/...

    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 05:01:25 AM PDT

  •  the lone senator who voted for your privacy... (1+ / 0-)
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    Statement Of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold On The Anti-Terrorism Bill

    From The Senate Floor

    October 25, 2001

    [snipet]

    "One provision that troubles me a great deal is a provision that permits the government under FISA to compel the production of records from any business regarding any person, if that information is sought in connection with an investigation of terrorism or espionage.

    Now we're not talking here about travel records pertaining to a terrorist suspect, which we all can see can be highly relevant to an investigation of a terrorist plot. FISA already gives the FBI the power to get airline, train, hotel, car rental and other records of a suspect.

    But under this bill, the government can compel the disclosure of the personal records of anyone -- perhaps someone who worked with, or lived next door to, or went to school with, or sat on an airplane with, or has been seen in the company of, or whose phone number was called by -- the target of the investigation.

    And under this new provisions all business records can be compelled, including those containing sensitive personal information like medical records from hospitals or doctors, or educational records, or records of what books someone has taken out of the library. This is an enormous expansion of authority, under a law that provides only minimal judicial supervision".

    http://epic.org/...

    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 05:57:40 AM PDT

  •  3 questions and a video (0+ / 0-)

    I sent the video link to my South Texas conservative family along with three questions:

    Are monitored people free?

    If democracy requires an informed electorate, how many secrets can the government have before it's no longer a democracy?

    What kind of country is it, where the government has secrets from the people, but the people can have no secrets from the government?

    We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

    by Mosquito Pilot on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 06:05:00 AM PDT

  •  Let's use NRA logic (0+ / 0-)

    According to the NRA, the prime justification for the 2nd Amendment is that it's a final bulwark against tyranny.

    Over the last few decades, civil disobedience has been far more effective at overthrowing tyrants than the asymmetrical  warfare that results when citizens take up arms against their governments.  Therefore, if we agree that the people need to have effective ways to overthrow their government when civil processes break down, then we must have the means for secure communications to organize protests and civil disobedience in order to "alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.".

    Proposal:
    Amend the 2nd Amendment to include secure communications

    We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

    by Mosquito Pilot on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 07:27:30 AM PDT

  •  General Alexander says Stop Watching NSA and (0+ / 0-)

    the way to make it so is to stop the press from reporting on the NSA.

  •  Really? Sorry to see you think this (0+ / 0-)

    rally is important.

  •  Check out StopWatchingUs (1+ / 0-)
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    It's my understanding that it is a right-wing funded group and not a progressive organization.

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