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Josh Kraushaar of National Journal opines:
Unless the HealthCare.gov website miraculously gets fixed by next month, there's a growing likelihood that over time, enough Democrats may join Republicans to decide to start over and scrap the whole complex health care enterprise. [...]

Would President Obama sign a death warrant on his own signature legislation? That's almost impossible to imagine, but it's entirely reasonable that he may not have a choice in the matter.

And why would they have no choice in the matter? Because, Kraushaar says, Congress may soon have veto-proof majorities in both chambers that want to repeal Obamacare. But, as Jason Linkins asks:
Cool story, bro, but you got any sources on this?
As it turns out, the answer is no. The closest he comes is an anonymous quote from a "Democratic campaign operative," but even that quote ("we don't care what the White House says") doesn't support Kraushaar's claims that repeal is right around the corner.

In the absence of any actual evidence to support his thesis, Kraushaar tries to read the tea leaves of "harsh statements" from Democrats who voted against the Republican fix for cancelled health insurance policies, including this statement from Democratic Arizona congresswoman Anne Kirkpatrick:

The stunning ineptitude of the ACA marketplace rollout is more than a public relations disaster. It is a disaster for the working families in my Arizona district who badly need quality, affordable health care.

I have often said that the Affordable Care Act is not perfect, and I am willing to work across the aisle to improve it. This is why I voted in July for a one-year extension for small businesses and individuals to comply with ACA requirements.

But today, I voted against H.R. 3350, the Upton bill, because it would neither fix nor improve the ACA. It would raise premiums and undermine market reform – by discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions, restoring annual caps on care, and forcing women to pay more than men for the same coverage.

According to Kraushaar, Kirkpatrick is one of "dozens" of Democrats who "could end up bolting if the political environment doesn't improve," but as you can see from her statement, she says she voted against the GOP legislation because it would "undermine" health care reform, which she continues to support. Kraushaar only included the first paragraph of her statement in his article, but a full reading of the statement makes it clear that far from being evidence that repeal is imminent, her statement shows that even Democrats who criticize the Obamacare rollout remain fundamentally committed to the legislation.

Obviously, if Obamacare does ultimately fail to deliver, it will be repealed either in whole or in part, but that's not what Kraushaar was arguing. His contention is that if healthcare.gov isn't fixed in two weeks—something that he believes would be a miracle—then the immediate repeal of Obamacare will suddenly become plausible. That's every bit as ridiculous as claiming that if healthcare.gov works perfectly on December 1, Ted Cruz will decide to support Obamacare. The only difference is that nobody is dumb enough to make that claim.

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  •  Another repeal problem: Given Boehner's House is (12+ / 0-)

    on almost permanent vacation, where would they get the time to relly repeal anything, as opposed to the 47 and counting "repeal" votes?

  •  Not gonna happen, the website is... (21+ / 0-)

    working at nearly full strength now, and D's are close to regaining the upperhand in reality.

    "Really nice, but also very serious about his job." Jackie Evancho on President Obama 6/7/12

    by BarackStarObama on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 12:55:11 PM PST

    •  simple fix (3+ / 0-)

      get us to single payer now.  Go to the doc/hospital/whatever.  Get treated, bill sent to gov agency for payment.  End of story.  Why is this so difficult?

      You best believe it does

      by HangsLeft on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58:18 PM PST

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      •  "Why is this so difficult?" (16+ / 0-)

        Because it is politically IMPOSSIBLE -- at least at this time.

        With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

        by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:03:16 PM PST

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        •  I think the messaging has been clunky. (1+ / 0-)

          For Single Payer (I prefer Medicare for All), I just ask people what they don't like about better outcomes for half the cost. Seems to work. Actually saw Anthony Wiener on Bill Maher last week and, amazingly enough, was impressed at how well he articulated this point.

          Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

          by Anne Elk on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 02:27:48 PM PST

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          •  Look, when you explain Single Payer (0+ / 0-)

            (and, I agree, "Medicare for All" is better branding), they like it.  It isn't the people so much that is the obstacle.  It is our Congress Critters.  There was simply no way Single Payer would have passed in 2010.  There is a less-that-zero chance now.  The only way this happens is to transition to it via adding in a public option.  That is only possible with a Democratic House and a stronger Democratic majority in the Senate.
            I'm hopeful, but not holding my breath.

            With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

            by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 03:32:19 PM PST

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            •  Totally agree at Federal level (1+ / 0-)
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              but I have kind of written off the Federales. The States are where the fight is, and once CA goes so goes the nation if only for the fact that it would make the CA economy massively more competitive. It'd just roll eastwards.

              Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

              by Anne Elk on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 04:06:25 PM PST

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              •  Isn't Vermont ahead of CA on this? (0+ / 0-)

                My understanding is that VT is aiming at essentially single payer by 2017. So it may be more like same-sex marriage, popping up in various places depending on the politics. If most states add a public option to the exchange menu, that would help too and likely become the de facto single payer, without the political headwinds.

            •  Employers (0+ / 0-)

              If properly designed and executed, a single payer health care system would save money for employers by eliminating the need to offer health insurance in the workplace. The idea single payer system should be "sold" to employers on the premise that it would save them money.

              "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." --Senator Ted Kennedy

              by Blue Silent Majority on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 04:38:38 PM PST

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              •  The ACA already... (0+ / 0-)

                gives employers this benefit.  They can get rid of insurance benefits because their employees can buy on the exchange.

                •  Perfect (0+ / 0-)

                  So Business get  to dump ist's share od the cost and the employees pay more.  This is exactly why people are complaining.  They were told, no assured, the costs of health insurance would go down.  

                  You best believe it does

                  by HangsLeft on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 11:09:08 AM PST

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                  •  Single Payer (0+ / 0-)

                    Employers could save money under either the ACA or a single payer plan, but there is a difference. Under the ACA, some employers may chose to save money by dropping their group health plan, and that stinks for workers. A single payer plan would save money all employers by completely decoupling health insurance from employment without doing any harm to workers.

                    "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." --Senator Ted Kennedy

                    by Blue Silent Majority on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 04:13:47 PM PST

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                    •  except (0+ / 0-)

                      the workers would be responsible for paying the full premium not just a % as is the case today.  Business wins/employees lose.

                      You best believe it does

                      by HangsLeft on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 07:32:34 AM PST

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                      •  Medicare/Medicade (0+ / 0-)

                        We already pay for Medicare and Meidcade through taxes on both employers and employees, so why would single payer for everybody be any different?

                        "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." --Senator Ted Kennedy

                        by Blue Silent Majority on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 02:47:38 PM PST

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      •  The Politics of that are extremely difficult (8+ / 0-)

        Best shot at single payer is for states to adopt and show success.

        Second best shot is for ACA reforms to be seen as very successful, then Democrats would be trusted (and politicians would have the confidence) to enact single payer nationally.

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:19:00 PM PST

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        •  I think a Public Option would have given us... (1+ / 0-)
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          The best shot at getting single-payer on the table in the near future. Which is why the insurance companies worked so hard to get it out of the bill.

          That said, I agree, that our best current shot at better reforms is for the ACA to work well. Eventually, what I hope, is that people realize that the insurance companies are getting over, and if we're going to subsidize health care, why not just offer it directly, a la student loans, and cut out the middle-men who add little value to the equation.

          •  Agree we need to make the ACA work (1+ / 0-)
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            If the ACA is allowed to fail the ballgame is over for a while.  Plus there is a big problem with spineless democrats in the US Senate, hence we were forced to accept the Senate bill instead of the House bill.  About 3-4 of (some who are no longer there) are the ones who killed the PO.
            It's further exemplified by Reid and Co continuing to allow the TGOP to kill Obama's nominees to the court.  They talk a good game but have yet to pull the trigger and kill the filibuster.
            To put it metaphorically, it seems to me that the "tea gators" have taken over the Senate by blocking everything.  And too many democrats are helping them by refusing to drain the swamp.

            Mr. Boehner, where are the jobs?

            by Tx LIberal on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 04:14:07 PM PST

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        •  California would pretty much (2+ / 0-)
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          nextstep, falconer520

          push single payer into prime time. The problem is that it isn't getting traction in the legislature now with super-majorities in both Houses and a sensible Dem Governor even though single payer was passed previously by both Houses twice! What is it about a huge majority and a Democratic Governor that makes Democrats unable to use their unprecedented power as nature intended? Very frustrating. Single Payer is apparently not coming back onto the legislative calendar any time soon, even though this is the best chance we have ever had.

          Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

          by Anne Elk on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 02:32:08 PM PST

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        •  Group of states. (0+ / 0-)

          What would be ideal is if a group of Democratic-controlled state governments formed a consortium and passed similar single-payer legislation together. If the single payer systems in all of the consortium states came on line at the same time, like say January 1 of the same year, there would be less incentive for doctors to quick run to another state, as it would feel like the prelude to a national system.

          "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." --Senator Ted Kennedy

          by Blue Silent Majority on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 04:47:55 PM PST

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      •  You're kidding, right? nt (0+ / 0-)

        Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

        by Bob Love on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 02:39:57 PM PST

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    •  Is it? Cool. Maybe I can register now. (3+ / 0-)
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      TomP, falconer520, BarackStarObama

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:02:15 PM PST

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  •  Meanwhile, not one, not two, not three... (18+ / 0-)

    ...but at least 4 dKos members have reported that the website seems to be working properly now, at least in their cases:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Oh, yeah...the fourth one is ME!!

  •  The implicit assumption, of course (10+ / 0-)

    is that Democrats are evidence based - because, as you say, no one expects Republicans to switch their positions if the web site works, millions enroll, et cetera.

    That's where this comes from - the unstated knowledge of the Villagers that Democrats can be swayed by facts and logic, but Republicans answer only to their manifestly deluded base and the propagandists feeding their delusions.

    The GOP Nightmare

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58:05 PM PST

  •  Can they talk about Benghazi again? (6+ / 0-)
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    TofG, hulibow, Aquarius40, skillet, CwV, askew

    This Obamacare scandal, outrage, disaster, Katrina stuff isn't worth playing along with.

  •  There is a precedent for repeal in the 1989 (2+ / 0-)
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    Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act, but that didn't happen until the act went in force and people

    a) decided they did not like it at all, and
    b) very vociferously and publicly protested it.

    ACA hasn't really kicked in yet.
    If people are really upset after it does, then we can talk.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:01:51 PM PST

    •  what really happened (1+ / 0-)
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      askew
      But it’s a lousy parallel in any event, as those of us who do graphically recall the implosion of the “Catastrophic Program,” as it was often called with intentional and unintentional humor. To make a long story short, the program failed because a large percentage of its main intended beneficiaries, Medicare recipients, (a) didn’t think they needed it, mostly because it duplicated (at the cost of additional premiums) private “Medigap” insurance commonly purchased by middle- and upper-income retirees, and (b) thought initially and wrongly it was going to provide something they did need and want: long-term care insurance for nursing home costs. The combination of grievances was overwhelming and politically irresistible.
      http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/...

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:32:13 PM PST

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      •  The details are always different, but the key (0+ / 0-)

        point is that people didn't raise a fuss until after the act took effect and they realized they were paying for something that didn't benefit them.

        If ACA satisfies people -- great.
        If not, then we can talk repeal.

        Before the tires are kicked, but 3.5 years after it's signed into law (and insurance companies and others have geared up to rake in profits)?

        Ridiculous.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 05:26:31 PM PST

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  •  In other words, Kraushaar is full of shit. (7+ / 0-)

    With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:01:54 PM PST

  •  The media psychos/buffoons continue their insane, (7+ / 0-)

    Absolutely, terrible one sided coverage of Obamacare. Constant right-wing talking points have become gospel, now this idiot writer who I've never heard of claims that there'll soon be veto proof margins in congress to repeal Obamacare. Wait where have I heard that before--yes, right. Within the crazy right wing base of cause, which I'm guessing this writer is one. The National Journal should be embarrassed, but I doubt it.

  •  All this and Benghazi too? Who says the (0+ / 0-)

    Modern GOP can't multitask.

    "Half of writing history is hiding the truth." -- Cap'n Malcolm Reynolds

    by here4tehbeer on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:06:38 PM PST

  •  Why is no one blaming the red states? (9+ / 0-)

    The republicans are always yapping about states' rights  and criticizing the big, bad, federal government.  Well, those red states governed by republicans refused to take control of the ACA and set up their own health care websites.  Like my state of PA led by none other than Tom Corbett.  The states that did set up their own exchanges are doing well, so the media should be blaming those red states for not exercising their state's rights to set up the exchanges.  We KNOW the reasons they didn't but they should still get the blame - for their hypocrisy if nothing else.  The federal government website wouldn't be overwhelmed with applicants if those states had done their job!!

    •  people are (2+ / 0-)
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      Subterranean, librarisingnsf

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

      Without Massive Republican Opposition, Obamacare Would be in Better Shape

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:27:37 PM PST

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    •  The Federal Exchanges wouldn't exist (2+ / 0-)
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      spritegeezer, kkkkate

      if the states had done their job.
      That's one reason that the rollout has been such a problem. As recently as 6 months ago, it was assumed that many more of the states would build their own exchanges. Didn't happen. So that burden got heaped onto the developers, A HUGE change of scope!
      This whole debacle is the direct result of GOP sabotage but to hear the Media tell it (including NPR, damm them) the sky has fallen and Obama is one whisker away from jumping into the Potomac.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:29:09 PM PST

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  •  I heard the site is working fine (6+ / 0-)

    but they will never report that, it would ruin the Katrina/Iraq meme.

  •  'cause we have to face it's the worst failure evah (1+ / 0-)
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    kkkkate

    Never in the annals of public responsibility has such a craven and empty effort to buy votes backfired so disgracefully or with such wasteful expenditures of the public treasury. How can anyone even call themselves human and think they could find anything else to talk about? [snark]

  •  scrap the whole complex health care enterprise. (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr MadAsHell, kkkkate

    I agree. We can replace it with something very simple. Lower the eligibilty age of Medicare to zero. Done.

    The problem with political jokes is they get elected.

    by shoeless on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:14:29 PM PST

  •  The Test of ACA success comes in Oct 2014 (0+ / 0-)

    Unless Healthcare.gov is not working well in February 2014, the difficult start of the website will be unimportant in the big picture.

    In Oct 2014 we will know:

    1 How the share of uninsured changed due to changes in the individual market.

    2 What share of voters see themselves paying more for health insurance Vs share of those paying less.

    3. Impact on the budget and increases in those with covered healthcare from Medicaid expansion

    4. What health insurance rates are set for 2014 for both individuals and company provided insurance.  

    5. To what extent did the employer mandate hurt employment and company paid health insurance, as companies are subject to the mandate in Jan 2014.

    If the answers to the above are largely favorable, Democrats will be in great shape.

    The conclusion then comes from the Congressional Elections in November, and how much of a factor ACA is in the elections.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:16:09 PM PST

  •  The Web Site (5+ / 0-)

    According to several posts I have read on DK, the web site is working much, much better, to the point where there are few if any glitches left.  However, the MSM is still characterizing it as being almost completely broken and dysfunctional.  Another example of how DailyKos gives you tomorrow's news today.

    Maybe tomorrow some MSM journalist will actually try the site out and find out what we already know.  Its up and running!

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:23:45 PM PST

  •  Once you are signed up for ACA coverage, ... (1+ / 0-)
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    88kathy

    your access to health care does not require you to visit, or revisit the website ever again. The perception being propagated by some is that ACA medical care will require a patient to run a gauntlet equivalent to your registration when visiting a doctor, or medical facility.


    #e5721e must go! Something bluer would be nice. - 16382

    by glb3 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:24:26 PM PST

    •  until next year? (1+ / 0-)
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      kkkkate

      My understanding is that like Medicare Part D, you will have to re-up each year (and get to choose among that year's policy options). There will probably be some sort of default roll-over if you don't -- there is for my homeowners' coverage (and auto when I had it) -- but you may actually have to go to the website again sometime.

      But no, not every time the rugrats have an ear infection.

  •  Most people who are not watching Fox news (1+ / 0-)
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    librarisingnsf

    or following all this online tuned this out a long time ago.

  •  Nothing drives page-clicks (0+ / 0-)

    like predicting doom for progressive causes.  

    1. Books are for use.

    by looty on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:26:15 PM PST

  •  So help me God. If Dems bail on the ACA.... (2+ / 0-)
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    librarisingnsf, northerntier

    I don't think they will do it, but we're already seeing some of that standard-issue queasiness so many Democrats are known for, and Bill Clinton's unhelpful jackassery, but if they do bail on this half-assed, but desperately-needed, bit of reform, they should all just take an early retirement, and leave the party to the next generation who actually gives a shit.

  •  Na-uh! I haz proof Jebus is gonna mow it down with (0+ / 0-)

    a Mighty Wind (tm) of Thug hotair!  

    And its in the Bible, doncha know! Also!

    I'd say NJ should be embarrassed but I'm pretty sure they're not capable of it.

  •  ACA delivered (1+ / 0-)
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        End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination:
        End to Limits on Care:
        End to Coverage Cancellations:
        Value for Your Premium Dollar:
        Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases:
        Small Business Tax Credits:

    ACA being worked
    . . . .html

    Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

    by 88kathy on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:36:36 PM PST

  •  my Democratic representative is one of those... (1+ / 0-)
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    northerntier

    ...39 who voted for the Upton bill.  Raul Ruiz is a Democratic freshman after 14 years of Mary Bono Mack (R).  i don't understand his vote.  we are in a swing district so, maybe, he is trying to moderate his votes so he won't lose against a Republican challenger in 2014.  President Obama is going to veto the bill anyway so this appears to be a safe "bipartisan" vote.

    Ruiz talks rather idealistic about working "across the aisle" but this is the second vote he has sided with the Republicans to alter the ACA and President Obama's signature legislation.  Democrats being quite vocal and negative about this latest vote.

    http://www.mydesert.com/...

    i'll have to stop by headquarters to find out what the hell is going on with Ruiz.

    I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

    by blue drop on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:37:23 PM PST

  •  Kraushar is just running a version (1+ / 0-)
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    northerntier

    of the "we tried, you tried...just a shame that, even though we all thought Obama would be so great.." GOP ad that ran early in the 2012 campaign. He's trying to turn ACA into Ol' Yeller. Cue the shotgun.

    Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

    by Anne Elk on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 02:24:43 PM PST

  •  Obama - Anything! (0+ / 0-)

    Sad but I guess it needs to be said... prejudice is not limited to the far right GOP and Tea Party. There are plenty of Democrats sitting in their hardly ever used seats in both Houses of Congress who absolutely HATE it that a Black Person is in the White House. This is why (after you get past the Fake News Media) there was no action on Gun Control, on Jobs (without giving away the farm, no progressive anything except Marriages and Lilly Ledbetter and a painfully slow DADT repeal which is still dragging.
    Obama was not the steel hard Progressive we thought and that made the prejudice harder to catch from the so-called left. But it can be seen in how weakly Democrats defend Obama's rather conservative issues. It is why the ACA flap only took 3 weeks to be a headline. and the killing of Obama Care, though it probably won't happen has very few powerful Democrats standing there and saying "don't be crazy! Absurd and insane idea to remove millions from the roles because a web site is junky." Instead they go on TV and are vapidly in favor of doing something so the people who can afford insurance anyway can keep their junky policies. If Romney had been in charge (and he was) this roll out would have gotten no press except for a few laughs and sputters from people who still use Windows Vista.

  •  And Romney should win by, oh, 5% or better. nt (0+ / 0-)

    Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

    by Bob Love on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 02:39:24 PM PST

  •  Brewer's new Health-E strategory is all HER doing. (1+ / 0-)
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    falconer520

    In the middle of the current federal fiasco Brewer insisted on rolling out a new website.   It's a horrible mess, the old site says we're disabled and the new has no records,  links are not not working and calls go on endless holds...that's been going on for 10 days now...  
    Will try a personal visit ..but they haven't answered their phones either.

    http://www.azahcccs.gov/...

    •  Having similar issue with helping Uncle... (0+ / 0-)

      After taking a month and half to finally get through the fed site; "Congratulations it looks like you qualify for your states Medicaid program."

      Now we are stuck in limbo between the Fed site and Az AHCCS site... I hope there is some Fed oversight to make sure Az medicaid expansion wasn't just lip service.

      If people can't actually sign up for it, than it doesn't really exist.

      A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

      by falconer520 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 03:42:54 PM PST

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  •  Tapping his ruby slipper together... (0+ / 0-)

    ...closing his eyes, and repeating...whatever apparently will make it so.

    Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 03:36:43 PM PST

  •  Imagine that ACA is repealed after (0+ / 0-)

    several million people have enrolled. Would not the government be exposing itself to the Mother of all lawsuits?

    •  lawsuits from insurance companies (0+ / 0-)

      as well as individual subscribers, most likely. Remember that for the insurance companies, this has the potential to be a bonanza -- a guaranteed customer base, with the government paying most of the premiums, so they can charge higher prices to more people. And for the equally powerful AMA and hospitals, it means they get paid for taking care of middle-income and poor people, instead of writing all that off or having huge collection problems.

      I have assumed that the GOP is in full-out assault mode now because once Jan 1, 2014 comes and goes, it will be virtually impossible to repeal -- fix or tweak, yes, but not repeal.

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