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The Republican National Committee's proclamation honoring Rosa Park's "role in ending racism" is continuing to receive the scorn and derision it richly deserves. As it turns out, the GOP's attempt to literally whitewash American history is hardly its first.

Consider, for example, the RNC's response to President Obama's 2010 nomination of now Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan. Unable to prevent three-fifths of the Senate from voting on Kagan's nomination, the RNC instead suggested the Founders' three-fifths of a person standard for counting slaves was no defect. As The Hill reported, the RNC, including Michael Steele, objects to Kagan's citation of a 1987 Marshall speech in a 1993 tribute to her late mentor. Among the offending if self-evident passages from the 1987 address by Marshall:

[T]he government they devised was defective from the start, requiring several amendments, a civil war, and momentous social transformation to attain the system of constitutional government, and its respect for the individual freedoms and human rights, we hold as fundamental today. When contemporary Americans cite "The Constitution," they invoke a concept that is vastly different from what the Framers barely began to construct two centuries ago.
Even more alarming to the Republican mind than Marshall's spotlight on the early Constitution ("We the People" included, in the words of the Framers, "the whole Number of free Persons.") was Kagan's approving citation of his belief that the mission of the Supreme Court was to "was to "show a special solicitude for the despised and the disadvantaged." Inquiring conservative minds, the Hill reported, now want to know:
"Does Kagan Still View Constitution 'As Originally Drafted And Conceived' As 'Defective'?" the RNC asked in its research document. "And Does Kagan Still Believe That The Supreme Court's Primary Mission Is To 'Show A Special Solicitude For The Despised And Disadvantaged'?"
For her part, Minnesota Congresswoman and one-time Republican presidential front-runner Michele Bachmann has acknowledged the Constitution's original sin of slavery. In January 2011, the Bachmann told Iowans for Tax Relief that America was founded on diversity and the Founding Fathers eliminated the "scourge" of slavery in their lifetimes:
"How unique in all of the world, that one nation that was the resting point from people groups all across the world. It didn't matter whether they descended from known royalty or whether they were of a higher class or a lower class, it made no difference. Once you got here [to the United States] you were all the same. Isn't that remarkable?...

We know we were not perfect. We know there was slavery that was still tolerated when the nation began. We know that was an evil and it was scourge and a blot and a stain upon our history. But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. And I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forebears, who worked tirelessly, men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country."

Alas, math and history are hard.

John Quincy Adams was extinguished in 1848. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was not issued until 1863 and the 13th Amendment to the Constitution which ended slavery was not ratified until 1865.

Of course, in the telling of Republicans like Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Trent Franks and legions of others, there are many things at least as bad as slavery. That list includes the U.S. national debt, Obamacare, gun control, abortion and just about everything else conservatives oppose. As Franks put it in 2010:

"In this country, we had slavery for God knows how long. And now we look back on it and we say 'How brave were they? What was the matter with them? You know, I can't believe, you know, four million slaves. This is incredible.' And we're right, we're right. We should look back on that with criticism. It is a crushing mark on America's soul. And yet today, half of all black children are aborted. Half of all black children are aborted. Far more of the African-American community is being devastated by the policies of today than were being devastated by policies of slavery."
No doubt, that news would have come as a surprise to Rosa Parks.

Originally posted to Jon Perr on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 10:13 AM PST.

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  •  hahahahaha oh the lols (13+ / 0-)
    But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.
    their lies are both adorable and dangerous. several of those very founders owned human beings as property, and in at least one very notable case, as a concubine.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility (not an original but rather apt)

    by terrypinder on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 10:17:40 AM PST

  •  AND to top it all, the Founding Fathers were GAY! (2+ / 0-)
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    Yep, every one of them.

    Repubs don't like to talk about that....

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 10:43:13 AM PST

  •  The Bill of Rights were first correction. (15+ / 0-)

    The first ten amendments to the Constitution were ratified by at least two-thirds of the States in 1791. These ten amendments know collectively as The Bill of Rights were created to correct deficiencies in the original constitution and were passed by a congress that included many original framers.

    The amendments were introduced to the first Congress by James Madison.

    The original "Framers" considered the constitution to be a living document that would need to be changed from time to time and provided the necessary mechanisms to accomplish that.

    There were originally twelve amendments proposed. The original amendment 1 is still pending ratification and will never be ratified. It has to do with allocation of representatives by population and does not meet the needs of a population that has grown into the hundreds of millions.

    The other amendment was passed and sent to the states in 1789, but wasn't ratified until over 200 years later in 1992 as the Twenty Seventh Amendment. This one has to do with congressional pay and requires any changes passed by one congress not becoming valid until the next.
     

    Twenty-seventh Amendment (Amendment XXVII) prohibits any law that increases or decreases the salary of members of Congress from taking effect until the start of the next set of terms of office for Representatives.
    The sin here is the abject stupidity of those like Michelle Bachmann who preach about the constitution being a perfect document even with its complicity in slavery, and their adherence into something called original framers intent.

    That Michelle Bachmann received the right to vote and be elected as a woman required an amendment to the constitution doesn't even enter her mind.

    To quote the movie Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."

  •  "1/2 aborted"- (1+ / 0-)
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    do the math- that's $800 in value per birth that if they were still slaves would be going to the master as an asset. Another version of lost cause meme that "slavery was more humane and more Christian" than abolition.

  •  Perhaps she might be right . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    if the 19th amendment was never passed. Bachmann would never have  achieved elected office.

    The country would have been better off.

    /snark

  •  Alas, math and history are hard: (2+ / 0-)
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    as are facts and something called truth.  What amazes me is there are people who actually believe what those like Bachmann say.

     

    "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

    by sfcouple on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 05:53:40 PM PST

  •  John Quincy Adams as a Congressman (11+ / 0-)

    after he was president was one of the greatest to ever serve in the Congress.  He came to despise slavery and was very outspoken on the floor in his denunciations.  There are indications in some of his speeches and writings that he even considered blacks his equal, a radical concept for the time.  He is one of my heroes in American history, far more than his dad, but he was a little too young - 20 at the time the Constitution was adopted - to be considered a founding father.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 05:58:56 PM PST

    •  He was a true liberal living in a time (6+ / 0-)

      when there was no such thing. His election was a fluke (a scam, really), and the way it was handled doomed his presidency. But it is true that his post-presidential (and pre-presidential) careers as Sec. of State, Congressman, and all-around abolitionist make him one of our most successful presidents outside of the presidency.

    •  and he died long before the abolition of slavery (4+ / 0-)
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      (1848) so, even he did not see slavery ended in his lifetime.

    •  Revise the meaning of Founding Fathers (5+ / 0-)

      In order to prevent Constitution worship, I taught the young that there were other Founding Fathers and Mothers of the Constitution in later years.  Thaddeus Stevens is the one I talked most about because the 14th Amendment is like a whole new constitution in one amendment.  Mrs C.C. Catt is another.  Martin L. King, Jr and LBJ did not change the written words of the Constitution, but they brought the written words to life.  A number of Supreme Court Justices should be included.  Cordell Hull represented the economic changes of the Progressive Era with the Income Tax.

      I give credit to the men in the Constitutional Convention for being smart people, but they were not the last smart people to live in the USA.  

      I'm from Johnson City.

      by Al Fondy on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 06:14:27 PM PST

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    •  He was hilarious (5+ / 0-)

      His floor speeches as Congressman are the stuff of legend. He greatly contributed to the Southern politicians in DC feeling like they were under siege. At the same time, I also think he did some of what he did just out of plain orneriness. He was quite bitter after he left the presidency.

      Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

      by moviemeister76 on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 06:21:02 PM PST

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    •  Also represented the Amistad rebels (1+ / 0-)
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      successfully regaining their freedom and return to Africa.

  •  Repeal the Constitution before it literally (1+ / 0-)
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    commonmass

    kills people! (As opposing to the harmless figuratively killing people thingy).

  •  She is so stupid. lol (1+ / 0-)
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  •  I would suggest that Bachmann and all her (5+ / 0-)

    allies should read Douglas A. Blackmon's Slavery By Another Name. After all, peonage is in their playbook as it is.

    This country is no more "post-racial" than, well, I don't know what.

    By the way, I find it interesting that Bachmann brings up President Adams. I can't imagine that if she knew anything about him, she'd have anything good to say about him at all.

    Ignorance and intellectual incuriousity is apparently the way you get ahead in the GOP these days.

  •  That is not an example of ignorance. (4+ / 0-)
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    That is an example of evil in human form.

    It had no place on earth.

  •  Uh. 10th Amendment? (2+ / 0-)
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    If Conservatives knew their history ...

    The US Constitution was opposed by the arch conservatives of the day, those holding to the Articles of Confederation.

    In order to get the document signed by enough states, a Bill of Rights was agreed to, one such as championed by anti-federalists like Patrick Henry. Sure, the states' rights people back then were different than those today. They believed in all kinds of rights!

    So what was I saying? Oh right, if conservatives knew their history. ha  ha ha ha I crack myself up.

  •  More like slavery ended the Constitution (almost) (3+ / 0-)
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    Our Constitution was not only flawed, the Civil War is proof that it, and the Founding Fathers, failed. Look no further than the Preamble:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union
    Seven states decided to secede from the United States as a result of the 1860 election. Union fail.
    establish Justice,
    Our Supreme Court in Dred Scott explicitly presumed that African slaves were not people, but property. Justice fail.
    insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,
    Fort Sumter was the detonation, but Americans had been killing each other over the issue of slavery since Bleeding Kansas. Tranquility fail.
    promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,
    Maybe, as long as you forget about a century of Jim Crow.

    Had the Confederacy succeeded, the failure of the U.S. Constitution would have been near-complete. As it was, it survived by force of arms - this is not to deny the justice of the Union cause, but moral superiority and the legal example of the U.S. Constitution didn't force Robert E. Lee to surrender, General Grant's army did. The three postwar amendments, in particular the 14th, essentially created a whole new Constitution 2.0, which the seceding states had to adapt while under military occupation as a precondition to re-admittance. Not exactly your Founding Fathers' Constitution Convention, eh?

    Fast forward to today, and many of the problems of the federal government, and achieving progressive goals in general, are a result of many antiquated features of the Constitution that have not been fixed, and are unlikely to be fixed without a Constitution 3.0.

    •  That wasn't what "Dred Scott" was about. (0+ / 0-)

      The constitutionality of slavery was not at issue.  Pretty much everyone, even the abolitionists -- especially the abolitionists, even -- conceded that slavery was implicitly or explicitly protected under the Constitution.  That was why William Lloyd Garrison, among others, thought the whole Constitution was irreparably tainted by association.  Or William H. Seward's famous "higher law" argument, referring to natural/divine law, not the Constitution.

      •  D.S. held descendants of slaves cannot be citizens (2+ / 0-)
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        ...The question with which we are now dealing is, whether a person of the African race can be a citizen of the United States, and become thereby entitled to a special privilege, by virtue of his title to that character, and which, under the Constitution, no one but a citizen can claim...

        ...The only two provisions [of the Constitution] which point to them and include them, treat them as property, and make it the duty of the Government to protect it; no other power, in relation to this race, is to be found in the Constitution; and as it is a Government [426] of special, delegated, powers, no authority beyond these two provisions can be constitutionally exercised. The Government of the United States had no right to interfere for any other purpose but that of protecting the rights of the owner, leaving it altogether with the several States to deal with this race, whether emancipated or not, as each State may think justice, humanity, and the interests and safety of society, require.

        - From Justice Taney's opinion in Dred Scott v. Sanford, 60 U.S. 393, 425-26 (1857)

        Ergo, Africans whether free or slave, are noncitizens under the Constitution, and effectively nonpersons--chattel. Even by the standards of its time, and assuming that slavery is constitutional, the case was a serious overstretch, and an example of how 'justice' was bent in the direction of politics.

        Alternatively, one could just concede that Dred Scott was correctly decided under the Constitution. What that says about justice under said Constitution, is for the reader to decide.

  •  Much like I don't understand (4+ / 0-)
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    how conservative Christians fear any little thing is a threat to their faith, I don't understand how conservatives are afraid of any imperfection in our history.

    Probably a huge part of why I'm neither of those, and have always believed the Constitution was a good start with flaws the Founders knew existed and had enough faith in their little experiment to know those who followed them would keep improving on  it.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 06:35:39 PM PST

  •  Bachmann was misquoted. (1+ / 0-)
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    She didn't say slavery... she said "slivery". The founding fathers ended "slivery" in their lifetime...
    It's ...um, it's like "slavery" but  it's different, but it was a big problem for the founding fathers, and they fixed it.

    Hey... it's worth a try...

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 06:38:54 PM PST

  •  Geez. (0+ / 0-)

    It's like Dumb and Dumber. Or Dumb and Dumbest...

    And the worst part is this cannot be blamed on word salad. They actually don't get it.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 06:48:48 PM PST

  •  What would John Quincy Adams make (0+ / 0-)

    of Michelle Bachmann?

    •  considering prevailing winds of that era... (0+ / 0-)

      ...he'd probably say something like, "get back in the kitchen where you belong and you better not burn the venison and minced meat pies to a crisp this time. Don't back talk me anymore either about such tripe as women's reproductive rights and voting or you'll make me have to break out my leather strap..again".

      "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 11:49:41 AM PST

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      •  Not likely. (0+ / 0-)

        Quincy was raised by Abigail, and the likelihood of surviving childhood and early adolescence with that kind of attitude would have been slight.

        "Be just and good." John Adams to Thomas Jefferson

        by ogre on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 02:24:58 PM PST

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  •  Knows who my Founding Father is ... (0+ / 0-)

    still looking for my Founding Mother.


    A mirror is facial recognition hardware. Your narcissism is the software.

    by glb3 on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 07:26:19 PM PST

  •  Is it your position that Rosa Parks has had no (0+ / 0-)

    impact in the fight against racism?

    It sounds like you're mocking her and, by extension, the many years of carefully planned and executed work by the NAACP.

    Personally, I disagree with you.  I believe that should the day ever come when racism is truly eradicated, Rosa Parks, the NAACP, Martin Luther King, James Chaney, Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman and others will have played a huge role.

    And, like the NAACP following the well-executed strategy  of Thurgood Marshall,  they will know the race is won step at a time, over and over and over again.  The last step is no more important than the first step or any step in between.

    Oh darn -- I think I've been serious when all you wanted to do was poke a little poorly thought out snark.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 07:31:26 PM PST

    •  Um...You Just Made the Key Point Yourself (5+ / 0-)
      I believe that should the day ever come when racism is truly eradicated, Rosa Parks, the NAACP, Martin Luther King, James Chaney, Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman and others will have played a huge role.
      You just highlighted the very problem with verb tenses.  The GOP literally treated "racism" as a thing of the past, not an on-going to struggle that will continue--and see more victories and win more over more hearts and minds--into the indefinite future.

      Rosa Parks is a national hero and deserves a cherished place in the American pantheon.  So, too, do King, Chaney, Schwermer and Goodman.  They fought for the civil rights and freedom of all Americans.

      But much as Republicans would like it, racism isn't "over."  That's why the RNC was roundly mocked, and rightly so.

      •  I believe that you wanted to read it that way (0+ / 0-)

        The truth is that much racism has been eradicated.

        I recently moved to Texas and see interracial couples every day, out and about, doing what people do: Shopping, talking, going to movies, etc.

        Couldn't have done that 50 years ago.

        Is racism gone?
        Of course not.

        But it's hardly out of line to commemorate Parks's role in ending racism.

        Unless, I suppose, you have a stake in continuing it.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 07:58:14 PM PST

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        •  I have a stake in ending it... (0+ / 0-)

          ...But after living in Philly, Pa for four years, I've found that my words I live by "racism ends with me", doesn't seem to get the job done fast enough for my liking. The first week I was here, while riding the L train a black woman panhandler walked up to me. She asked me if I had any "spare change"? Sure do. As I reached in my pocket to give her two dollars, she spat in my face, called me a cracker and stomped on my foot. That was four years ago almost to the day.  

          In this city of 1.3 million, I see black on black, white on black, black on white racism every single day. So I know racism is still very much alive and well-at least it still is here. I don't let anyone rent space in my head or change who I am. Reality bites; it has a way of keeping my feet on the ground and my head out of the clouds. I don't think I'm better than or lower than anybody else. And I don't treat anybody any better or any worse than I'd like to be treated myself.

          Have I positively impacted the goal of seeing racism's end in my lifetime? Maybe. Maybe not. But I just keep on keeping on. My conscience is clear. I'd like to believe that most of us all want to live in peace and harmony with our neighbors.

          We see on the breaking news more than our fair share of senseless gang violence, rapes, murders, armed robberies, burgluries, drive-by shootings, car jackings, flash mobs, knockout "games" done by the 2% losers who turned off hope and dropped out, who blame everybody else in the world for their failures in life, but the ones they see in the mirror looking back at what they are, instead of what they could've been if they didn't quit.

          But what we don't see the 98% of highly successful, educated, decent, law-abiding citizens of all colors that work, play, and co-exist together in a crowded city in relative peace here. Those kinds of headlines don't make the breaking news or sell newspapers.

          "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

          by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 12:42:06 PM PST

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          •  At some point, I suspect we'll have to settle (1+ / 0-)
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            for "as close to ended as we'll ever get".

            People seem just naturally to hone in on differences and to amplify them until it is impossible to get along.  Whether black and white or Democrat and Republican or whatever else you may find.

            Still a lot better than it was 50 years ago.  I remember those times.

            Not so good.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 02:49:23 PM PST

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            •  me too... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...I'm 61. I remember too many things from those days that I'd rather forget. I'm not satisfied with "almost" or second best. To tell you the truth, I can't control what others do or say, but I can control what I do and say and I know how to carry myself. Over my lifetime, I've lived in the ghetto in some of the seediest parts of town and in half million dollar homes in the ritz. I've lived on the streets, in my car, and out of dumpsters. I've been welcomed in "black only" bars and pool halls, clubs and places where no white people with few exceptions have ever been allowed to go--and live to tell about it. In fact, my best friend on this earth is a black man who introduces me to his friends at the local pool hall as "my brother". So I'm neither insulated from racism nor total acceptance by those who looked past my white skin long enough to get to know the real person I am. I've learned to keep it real and take the good with the bad. It is what it is. My number one hero is Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and I love President Obama for what they stood for and stand for. Talk is like a cheap suit; it can't stand the test of time. My own dream is that America will one day really talk the walk and walk the talk.

              "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

              by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 07:54:52 PM PST

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  •  You'd think the RNC would have enough sense (0+ / 0-)

    to not remind people of racism.

    I bet that release had the Tee Peers and KKK laughing their heads off.

    There is simply not audience that would not see that as a ludicrous statement.

  •  This isn't stupidity or ignorance. (0+ / 0-)

    It's an organized right wing media campaign to manipulate the stupid and ignorant. And the racist angle doesn't hurt.

    Money doesn't talk it swears.

    by Coss on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 07:59:24 PM PST

  •  Bachmann (0+ / 0-)

    Is just full of crap.

    Gawd please send jeebus back and take her up to wherever crazy politicians are taken.

    Sarcasm on...It is so nice I live in a post racial America...Sarcasm off.

    by wbishop3 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 05:04:05 AM PST

  •  I'd go even farther (0+ / 0-)

    and say the Constitution is structurally deficient to the core.  A parliamentary system works much better.

    •  parliamentary system? (0+ / 0-)

      You realize then that the 'president' of the United States would be a Republican as they control the House of Representatives?

      •  Good point (0+ / 0-)

        but to continue, outlaw gerrymandering (illegal in the UK, I understand) and they wouldn't.

        •  The UK doesn't "gerrymander" simply because (0+ / 0-)

          there is no "residence requirement" for holding a Seat in Parliament.  One's Party runs one in whatever location there be an opening - quite regardless of the actual political preponderance of opinion there - and, after time, even largely "Right" locations become "safe seats" for "Left" people, and vice versa.

          Also, the UK is very much a "multi-party" place, unlike our own 2 Party system.  The "back-benchers" may, in time, actually get to have some influence on what is passed, or fails, by way of legislation; so, for the most part that government arrives at "coalition/compromise", rather than the kind of assinine "black & white" postions we are experiencing here.

  •  Ah, yes, the inconvenience of facts, math let (0+ / 0-)

    alone science......

     

    Alas, math and history are hard.

    Poor Republicans, they have their work cut out for them. It's not their fault they were born with silver* forks in their brains.

    *Special prize for anyone knowing the president to whom that kinda refers. heh.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 09:54:36 AM PST

  •  Sad on so many levels (0+ / 0-)

    This is sad on so many levels. I am a history professor and I deal with ignorance of basic historical information daily. But that is not the real problem - increasingly, people in our society seem to be confident in their uninformed opinions and I see Ms. Bachmann and her ilk as direct contributors to this phenomenon.

    Here is the really insidious part: Lack of recognition of the concept that there are such things as "facts" and that if one is going to present something as a fact, certain standards have to be met. The right-wing cultural view is that facts are just "made-up stuff" so spouting off one's own nonsense is as good as the next guy's, as long as one's ideology is in the right place (pun intended). Bachmann's (and other public figures') fact-free mouthings, sadly, encourage people to have confidence in their uninformed opinions and dismiss research-based facts as meaningless (or worse, as the product of people who are Marxist, blasphemous, unpatriotic, etc. - in a word, "academic"). This is a problem I see increasingly prevalent so that, for example, people are prepared to argue with me over whether, say, Shakespeare was English or French. Thanks a lot, Ms. Bachmann.

    Ginny Mayer, Ph.D. Democrat CA State Senate Candidate - SD-35 (Orange County)

    by Ginny Mayer on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 11:35:56 AM PST

  •  Whitewashing American history (0+ / 0-)

    Jon Perr is right to spotlight all this tinfoil-hat GOP nonsense.

    Still, I wish he and all writers would take just a bit more care with their words. (Louis CK has mused on the same issue.)

    If the GOP had attempted to "literally whitewash" American history, they would have had a tough time of it. Whitewash —  the stuff Tom Sawyer used — is basically slake lime stirred into water. So, the GOP would take a bucket of whitewash and apply it to. . .what? Tom Sawyer had his fence. The GOP had...nothing. (For sure.)

    I think it would be fine to say the GOP tried to whitewash American history. An apt metaphor. But "literally"...  Nah.

    Watch them adjectives. Usually they're excess, and sometimes they come back to bite ya.

    Thanks again for what is otherwise a nice piece of reporting.

  •  Why does the GOP want to stop abortion? (0+ / 0-)

    Considering the GOP's willingness to do anything to decrease the voting of  non-whites, it is surprising they object to abortion, since by their figuring there would be 60+% more Democrats if abortion were completely stopped.

  •  PROOF (0+ / 0-)

    Michele Bachmann is just more proof that you do not need a working brain to breathe and speak.

  •  I've often said that the Palin/Bachmann ticket (0+ / 0-)

    would be worth a million laughs in 2016.  And, dealing with today's Teabaghead/Republican Party, who is to say it couldn't happen!

    And, I'll leave it up to you, individually, to assess your own feelings about the potentials - not only having one of them a "heartbeat away from the Presidency", as McCain would, were he to have been elected, but . . . ONE OF THEM IN THE OVAL OFFICE , with the other "waiting in the wings".

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