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A&E suspended Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson for his detailed homophobic comments in a recent interview but that suspension has turned out to be brief. The network is reinstating Robertson after a public pressure campaign reminded them that the show about wealthy people making duck sex toys and an elaborate show of being rednecks down to earth is A&E's top-rated show.
The suspension stirred an uproar among fans of the show and also conservative political and religious leaders. More than 250,000 signed a petition demanding Phil Robertson’s reinstatement. Cries of anti-Christian bias from famous Republicans like Sarah Palin and Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana also followed.

More ominously, the family issued a statement saying in effect there would be no show without their patriarch.

On Friday, A&E bowed to the pressure and released a new statement, accompanying the news that Mr. Robertson would miss no episodes. The statement cited Mr. Robertson’s later comments that his views were in no way intended to “incite or encourage hate,” as well as the way the Robertson family’s interaction in the show demonstrated values like “unity, tolerance and forgiveness.”

Oh, well, of course. The family tolerates and forgives people in the family, therefore it's a moral lesson to us all.

It almost seems fair to ask, as some cynics have done, if the Robertson family planned this whole thing to sell a few thousand extra duck calls to fans who have no interest in hunting ducks but would go looking for a way to express their support for statements equating gay people with drunks and terrorists.

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    •  bigotry (0+ / 0-)

      Are you bigoted against hillbillies?  Exactly who are hillbillies?  Please don't use the enemy's weapons to attack them--some of my best friends are "hillbillies."

      Actions speak louder than petitions.

      by melvynny on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:14:15 AM PST

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      •  It's not bigotry (5+ / 0-)

        I first hear the term "hillbilly minstrel show" as a descriptor for "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" in Rod Dreher's blog on The American Conservative.  Posting from small town Louisiana, I don't believe that he looks down on hillbillies by any means...

        Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

        by TexasTom on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:32:07 AM PST

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      •  According to some, I am a "hillbilly" (1+ / 0-)
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        since I grew up in rural Louisiana myself.

        •  I prefer "hill william" (7+ / 0-)

          Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

          by Da Rock on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:12:44 AM PST

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        •  Hillbilly originated... (5+ / 0-)

          as a reference to the Ulster Scotish, including some Irish Protestants that settled the Appalachian and Ozark Mountains. Check out Wiki...if you are from either of these areas then you are considered a 'hillbilly'. I'm sure there are some fine folks who could be identified by this descriptor, BUT, the attitude that has caused this to become a pejorative was self inflicted by action and deeds. so if it quacks like a duckish bigot and spews hateful ignorant garbage like a duckish bigot then they have earned the ridicule they are getting. I have no problem addressing my family members that agree with their attitude as Goobers, Hillbillies, Rednecks or just Bigoted Assholes.

          Practice Secular Humanitarianism

          by Sam Sara on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:31:58 AM PST

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          •  If you go around with your nose in the air (0+ / 0-)

            labeling people according to their socioeconomic status, don't be surprised if the working poor take you for a Republican fratboy.

            Eighteen claws, three-and-a-half fangs, and a puma's purr.

            by FranklinCat on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:07:05 AM PST

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            •  YOU, have drawn the non-existent with my comment (5+ / 0-)

              and socio-economic status. My family, whom I referred, to is very wealthy and have a long association with KKK. I referred to MY family and no one else. The rest of my post just gives background on the terminology. Reading r fundamental...you don't have any idea who I am or my support of social and community efforts in the South involved. I was in Memphis when Dr. King was Killed I saw first hand the anguish and grief that ensued. I watched my racists P.O.C. Uncle load up all his guns and gleefully waiting for the "ni**er riots" to start so he could go, as he called it, "on a coon hunt". I've lived intimately with the tragedy and intolerance of American Apartheid, so get  over you uninformed self. As for the working poor, here in Norther AZ where I live we have too many examples of working poor and no relief in sight for them. My daughter and myself have collected and distributed food here for homeless kids on their own, distributed clothing for homeless vets. If I have a hard- on for the intolerance of small minded, quick to judge individuals that's my business. The last thing I will take is crap from someone who doesn't know me.

              Practice Secular Humanitarianism

              by Sam Sara on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 10:21:35 AM PST

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          •  Actually, the demonization of Appalachian people (3+ / 0-)
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            is a result of the coal companies in the 19th and early 20th Centuries bringing in European immigrants to work in the coalfields. It's an excuse for pushing small landholders off their farms. Look at the sterotypes: Hillbillies were supposedly lazy, ignorant, violent and dangerous. Have you seen these stereotypes applied to any other ethnic group?
               Prior to the campaign of demonization by the coal companies, the hill people were called "mountaneers," and were considered the epitome of hard work and independence.
              "Redneck" may have some connotations based on working outside in the sun, but it became a pejorative term during the Mingo County War of 1924, in which the union miners wore red neckerchiefs as a uniform.
               "Goober" comes from goober peas, also known as peanuts, which were a food source for low income people in the South. So the upper classes viewed "goobers" and the people who ate them with contempt.
               As for "bigoted Assholes," that sobriquet best applies to you. Sam Sara.

            •  See above as it relates to you too... (1+ / 0-)
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              Practice Secular Humanitarianism

              by Sam Sara on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 10:22:15 AM PST

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            •  Stereotypes? We got them (0+ / 0-)
              result of the coal companies in the 19th and early 20th Centuries bringing in European immigrants to work in the coalfields. It's an excuse for pushing small landholders off their farms. Look at the sterotypes: Hillbillies were supposedly lazy, ignorant, violent and dangerous. Have you seen these stereotypes applied to any other ethnic group?
              yes I have:
              In our North Eastern PA coal fields the Irish, Italians, the Polish and Russians all have been spoken of like that. I just turned 70 and for the first part of my life had to put up with Polish jokes rampant in the area. They only died back some once we had a Polish Pope, a Polish man working with Jimmy Carter, and Solidarity. Now they are a nearly extinct genre..

              I have often wondered about how now it is still OK to mock poor Appalachian whites.

              “We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

              by astrogeology girl on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 12:41:43 AM PST

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      •  You've obviously never met my relatives (0+ / 0-)

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:32:09 AM PST

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      •  The "definition" of 'hillbilly', as I was told (0+ / 0-)

        by SEVERAL people who proudly wore the tag in my youth, is "Michigan dirt farmer".  Kentucky-type 'hillbillies' were more accurately referred to as "ridge-runners".

        Now, the generic term "redneck", meaning "marginally educated white country folk", seems to have overcome all regional definitions.

        To ME, though, having dealt with folks of most persuasions and philosophies, "redneck" refers to racist folks with less intelligence than education. (REMEMBER, education=/= intelligence!  One of the dumbest people I know is studying for Ph.D.)  It's a bit more polite than "backwards-ass country fuck".

      •  From what I've seen (0+ / 0-)

        The family who has this show has only recently donned the label "hillbillies."  It is they who are making fun of down to earth mountain people.

        I concentrated on the word "act" in "hillbilly minstrel act."

        Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

        by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:48:40 AM PST

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    •  I prefer to be more blunt (2+ / 0-)
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      and call it white trash television.

      Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums...

      by Liberal Heretic on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 10:59:05 AM PST

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  •  If progressives could make as much noise (31+ / 0-)

    about the collapse of the Middle Class as the jug band rabble does in this country in defense of stupidity, we'd never again have to tolerate the leering image of Sarah Palin on the front page again.

    What a way to greet the new day. Ugh.

    •  I don't know (2+ / 0-)
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      Progressives made a lot of noise about this.

      Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

      by Pi Li on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:10:50 AM PST

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      •  But it's not FOCUSSED noise! (10+ / 0-)

        what the right wing does well is to marshall their protests into a focussed wall or noise - in that sense, their lemming mentality works wonders for them. Their inability to think independently causes them to follow in lockstep with the talking points duly annointed by their "leaders".

        We Democrats tend to be literate, independent thinkers, and not the compliant right-wing rabble that the GOP and Tea Party tend to coalesce into their "poutrage".

        So rather than what the right does when organizing (herding lemmings), organizing Democrats tend to be more like herding cats.

        America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

        by dagnome on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:25:16 AM PST

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        •  And for the next winning issue (4+ / 0-)
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          I suggest DKOS t-shirts emblazoned with, "Real Progressives Hate NASCAR." Maybe it could be done using a heart with a cross-out. Our model can be that great proto-Progressive Henry Clay, who said, "I'd rather be right than be president."

          •  Why stop at NASCAR? The NFL is equally (4+ / 0-)

            Conservative and look how they buried those players who came out in support of marriage equality last year.

            And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

            by MrJersey on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:25:08 AM PST

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          •  Now we're getting silly (3+ / 0-)
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            My husband likes NASCAR and is a progressive.  He knows the reputation NASCAR has and doesn't dispute it.  It's like traveling to a foreign country to go to one of these races, but it's quite the hoot.

            Hubby doesn't get offended if someone on Kos makes a snide remark about NASCAR.  He just laughs--as he should.

            Frankly, probably a lot of liberals like NASCAR, just as a lot of conservatives like limousines and Chardonnay.  

            These are false cultural stereotypes that have no business being taken seriously.

            Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

            by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:56:22 AM PST

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            •  NCJan (5+ / 0-)
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              Some/most on this blog are just as fundamentalist and judgmental in their beliefs as those on the far right. Just like them, they only talk to each other so they believe they are correct.

              •  I agree with you (3+ / 0-)
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                As a New Yorker who has felt thoroughly at home in progressive Chapel Hill, NC, I wince at the Southern stereotypes of some on this site.

                Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

                by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 02:16:05 PM PST

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                •  I am a native New Yorker who (3+ / 0-)
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                  went to Duke, our peers on this site have no idea how wrong they are most of the time.

                  •  What makes me smile and shake my head (3+ / 0-)
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                    When I hear on this site from (my fellow) New Yorkers and Californians about how all Southerners are stupid because of the politicians they elect--

                    For people from California, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger and Darryl Issa.

                    Meanwhile, people from New York must own Pataki and Al D'Amato--not to mention a noun a verb and 9-11 Giuliani.

                    The South is not the only place where the stupid lives.

                    Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

                    by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 05:02:34 PM PST

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                    •  I had the same (1+ / 0-)
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                      beliefs when I first got stationed in the South. I thought they were all a bunch of ignorant morons who I thought would be living in trailers and going "coon-hunting" at the drop of a hat. However, when you live there, there's a reason it's called Southern Hospitality. It's because the people are warm and kind and intelligent. Obviously, some are not, but I find that everywhere I've ever lived. I live in Las Vegas and everyone asks me if I go to the Strip every night or do I gamble all the time. Uh, no. Lol. I have four children and I raise them while my wife works right now because I'm going to school also. Sadly, life in Las Vegas is not everything people imagine it to be. It's the same everywhere you go, though. People have pre-defined illusions in their head of what people are like and go with them. We can be better than that, because otherwise we are just adding more fuel to the fire.

                      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

                      by Seanryan on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:49:26 AM PST

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        •  Exactly.... (0+ / 0-)

          This is exactly the kind of thing I have been saying!! We get thousands of people with snarky attitudes, but when it comes down to it, we don't have a cohesive message. While we are independent thinkers, we need to have a unity of purpose, something greater than ourselves. We need to be able to put our arguments aside and stand up for one issue.

          So, now that you've hit the nail on the head, here's my question... any ideas on how to do that effectively? Let's get people started toward thinking of real solutions, instead of lamenting the fact that we don't have unity or using comedy to try and defuse the situation. Some situations shouldn't be defused with comedy. However, a lot of us just get on our soap box and complain without ever thinking of ideas on how to fix this.

          The conservative movement has hundreds of think tanks that do nothing but think of ways to unite their members. We need to accomplish the same thing.

          "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

          by Seanryan on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:44:11 AM PST

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      •  Not really (2+ / 0-)
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        If you want to change something you must sacrifice.  If EVERY liberal did not shop at or trade with min wage employers change would happen.

        Last year I watched a $15 protest across the street from a teacher protest.  I asked one of the teachers if they were in solidarity with those across the street.  He laughed at me.  "We have degrees dear."

      •  The noise that progressives make (5+ / 0-)

        too often includes disparaging remarks about rednecks and trailer parks.  If you go around insulting the working class, then you deserve the scornful label:  "elitist".

        Eighteen claws, three-and-a-half fangs, and a puma's purr.

        by FranklinCat on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:36:29 AM PST

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        •  A lot of progressives aren't very good at (1+ / 0-)
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          expressing feelings of hate. It's kind of like they're running through one of those target ranges where different "people targets" pop up...and in their jumbled rush they quite often shoot anyone but the baby stroller.

          -- We are just regular people informed on issues

          by mike101 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 10:12:00 AM PST

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        •  That's the point - THEY DON'T WORK! (1+ / 0-)
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          They make their millions by getting teevee shows and slandering people.

        •  And a lot of conservative noise (2+ / 0-)
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          Lots of conservatives insult those with college degrees, those who live in San Francisco and New York City.  Remember limousine liberals and their wine and cheese parties?.

          Even with the insult hurling, there are a whole lot of college educated urban dwellers who are conservative--just take a stroll down Wall Street.

          There are idiots on both sides who like to smear decent people with stereotypes--including those liberals who assume all progressives make fun of hillbillies and NASCAR.

          Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

          by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:02:40 PM PST

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      •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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        It is my sense that in deciding which battles to fight, most progressives took a pass on this one.

        These people are walled off on a niche show on a cable network.  I think they have about as much of a shelf life as Sarah Palin (aka "Who?")

        There are, to perhaps coin one of their phrases, bigger fish to fry.

        Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

        by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:52:00 AM PST

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    •  "Jug Band rabble" (4+ / 0-)
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      And you wonder why so many people hate self-styled "progressives".

      Bet you have a real hoot driving by a Wal-Mart and seeing all those stupid people in their cheap Chinese-made clothes.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:25:33 AM PST

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      •  If you have a problem with the terminology (8+ / 0-)

        then I invite you to listen to the vituperative language they use to describe you, me, and anyone else with a dissenting opinion.

        By comparison, I'm being kind to them.

      •  Exactly right (5+ / 0-)

        Laughing at people seldom bring them to your side.

        •  Even worse, for somebody from the party of (5+ / 0-)

          FDR to look down on the economically less fortunate is almost scandalous.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:32:27 AM PST

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          •  Scandalous and (5+ / 0-)

            ...disheartening.  I live in Seattle, possibly the most phoney liberal city existing today.  

            I heard a scientist at the Nature Conservancy say she loathes hearing southern accents because it is ignorant to speak in such a manner.

            I have worked with PhD scientists at NOAA who routinely take expensive  foreign trips to further their career all paid for by tax dollars then trash those who pay the taxes.

            They demand that the homeless be sent to industrial areas so their real estate values will not be harmed.

            They get excited about gentrification that means more cunning little boutiques and restaurants while the poor are displaced.

            The streets are littered with Starbucks coffee cups.  It is not unusual to see an Escalade with a 'No War for Oil' bumper sticker.  

            I often lose heart because I understand why the poor and unfortunate are loathe to support progressive elitism.

          •  Let's get something really, really clear here... (4+ / 0-)
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            The Democratic party of today is no more the party of FDR than the republicans are the party of Lincoln. That train left the station with John Kennedy and Adlai Stevenson a very long time ago... but then perhaps your parents weren't even born yet...

            Another point: if you wish to coddle willfully ignorant people who choose to do everything they possibly can to destroy your country and the things you profess to be "progressive" in nature without aggressively defending those things, you don't deserve to mention Roosevelt's name.

            You might want to give FDR's vice president's take on people like this a read sometime -

            American Fascism

            The "Common Man" guy with a New Deal president didn't take too kindly to these sort of folks either.

            Unless you've lived among them with their hatred, their racism and their brutish use of religion to justify their bigotry and their inability to accept anything outside of their clan's system, you'd best keep your counsel.

            •  I suspect you are in no position to tell me what I (0+ / 0-)

              need to experience, certainly not if you are using that reference to fascism in this context.

              FDR pulled up a lot of people with views far more extreme than those expressed by Robertson -- which, btw, at least with regard to gays, align pretty well with those of the Pope.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:20:09 PM PST

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              •  Well, not really.... (0+ / 0-)

                Perhaps you would find this article on the Pope enlightening... particularly this quote from Time Magazine....

                "In August, another member, Cardinal Oswald Gracias of India, issued one of the most expansive comments about gays that the church has ever made, stating that while the church does not allow gay marriage, homosexuality is not a sin. “To say that those with other sexual orientations are sinners is wrong,” he wrote to an LGBT group in Mumbai. “We must be sensitive in our homilies and how we speak in public and I will so advise our priests.”
                You can find the rest of the article here. In it, you will see that that quote is taken from his council of 8 advisors, similar to the Synod of Bishops. He wouldn't have appointed him if he didn't approve of his message. Also, let's remember that he has taken drastic steps toward addressing the problems of the Church: Committee to investigate child abuse sex scandals, firing the German bishop who built a mansion off the funds of the Church, addressing economic inequality, making the Office of the Almoner a real post again, instead of a retirement spot.

                Now, I agree that FDR was enormously bigoted when it came to social and economic classes. While he did believe it was a good idea to help them, he, personally, surrounded himself with rich people. Well, he was the President. He did do a lot of good for the people, but let's not make the man a saint.

                Bernie Sanders said it best when he toured the South.

                "“I've been meeting with unionists, independents, progressive Democrats,” Sanders explained via satellite from Columbia, South Carolina. “And they are tired of being abandoned by the national Democratic party. They want some help, and they believe that with some help they can start winning in these conservative states.”"
                When we start using derogatory terms to apply to those we are seeking to ally with, is it no wonder that we are losing their support? Degree or no degree, rich or poor, we are all believers in people first. We want to see equality for everyone, and that can't be accomplished using the Republican model. Do you think that the homeless Veterans scattered throughout our country are any less smart for being homeless? They fought and bled for us, and a lot of them are homeless because they chose to run from their families rather than endanger them with their PTSD. Why do we look down on them? They are the same as us. Same thing with Southerners. Why do we look down on them? Are you honestly going to tell me that the South of today, people-wise, not government-wise, is not more socially minded? People don't decide to move down the social ladder and turn against helping poor Americans or the middle class. Yes, some people slip and fall, but isn't it our responsibility to help them overcome it, not with derision or snarky attitudes of moral superiority, but with compassion and grace?

                This is exactly why I'm starting a Kickstarter campaign to fundraise for my podcast. These issues need to be highlighted throughout the country and given a voice. For when the downtrodden have no voice that speaks up loudly enough, they become even more trod upon.

                "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

                by Seanryan on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:09:10 AM PST

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            •  I've lived and worked (1+ / 0-)
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              "among them with their hatred, their racism" and I know who I'm going to turn to if I need help doing something that requires physical intelligence and the possibility of getting a little "dirty".  It'll be the guy wearing the Carhartts instead of the khakis.   And my gratitude will be given and received warmly.  I also know that their bigotry is all too often a cultural totem instigated by those above them who have the political and financial interest in keeping them preoccupied with made-up problems so that they won't start thinking about the real source of their true problems.   Progressives would do better to look past the messy annoyances of "redneck" culture and demonstrate a little resolve to solving the problems of the working class and doing so with a generous helping of humility.  Sarah Palin and the Duck Dynasty Aristocrats acquire their sun-burned necks on the weekend, just like far to many progressive elites.  But which group makes fun of the working poor to their faces?  Turning politics into a myopic purity contest and making fun of working class people is a piss-poor way of getting votes and making progress on working-class problems.  The unequal distribution of wealth and power along with corrupted education are the places to be concentrating our energy instead of getting caught in the backwaters of bigotry and cultural annoyances.

              There are still New-Deal type politicians out there, the real problem is finding progressives who know the working-class life.

              Eighteen claws, three-and-a-half fangs, and a puma's purr.

              by FranklinCat on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 01:50:53 PM PST

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            •  But I have... (1+ / 0-)
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              lived among them, on both sides.  I have seen bad on both sides and have also seen good.

              Remember that the poor and ignorant in the south give more to charity than do the progressives in blue Seattle.

              I was raised by southern fundamentalists who lived what they preached and were sincere in their love for their fellow man.   I understand that not all are that way.

              I have worked for years now with progressive liberals who have nothing but disdain for the poor and needy.  I understand that not all are that way.

              Sometimes it seems that no one wants to step outside of his or her clan system.

              My strong faith is what makes me a progressive.  We are commanded to give to the needy and help the poor and hungry.  Instead of tossing that in the face of those who use religion as a tool why not practice it.

              We raise our kids best by example and that is also the best way to change minds.

          •  But those poor people deserve it. (0+ / 0-)

            FDR would agree.

        •  Spend 10 minutes on Free Republic (4+ / 0-)
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          then compare the first dozen or so comments on any random thread to the nastiest, most hateful thing you've ever read on dkos or elsewhere in the prog blogosphere. That place is a cesspool and easily the most accurate representation of the conservative nutbase, although FOX Nation is a close second. Free Republic (via World Net Daily) is where birtherism (accepted racism) originated.

          Laughing at these idiots, whether they're rich or poor, is the least we could do.

      •  Because they are so kind and genteel to us... (3+ / 0-)
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        I suppose we should just keep kissing their asses and have them kick us in the nuts even more?  No thanks. I've had enough of Steny Hoyer type losing antics.

        GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

        by LordMike on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:41:06 AM PST

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        •  yes (1+ / 0-)
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          turn the other cheek.  Be a better person.   I have to have faith that they will get their due.We cannot abandon our values just because we are attacked.

          And really the show has already damaged the very case the conservative Christians were trying to make. Up until know A&E has been fabricating an image of a successful christian family.  This helped the cause of Christianity by providing a role model.  One can be a ultra conservative Christian, still have money, still live in the wider world, and even be famous.

          But the truth has come out and has set up free, as it always will.  The fabrication on TV is not the reality of the family, and the fabrication of Christianity as the benevolent force is not the Christianity practiced by these people.  Up until now Christians had a believable sanitized facade.  If Duck Dynasty has been condemned the conservatives, then that facade would still exists,  Roberson could have apologized, and all would be back to normal.

          But in the current climate, the facade is gone.  The hate and intolerance and basic misunderstanding of difference between free speech and hate speech is clear.  The people who are already in the intolerant camp will stay there.  But the role model that allows people to think that such a conservative life is for them has been destroyed.

          •  What a fabulous, fantastic, wonderful, utopian (0+ / 0-)

            DREAM.

            Whatever medication you're using, I really want some.

            Nothing has been destroyed -  no façade was torn down. Maybe it's shifted just a bit leftward to give the phony appearance of slight moderation and enhanced electability for some of the up-and-coming corporate shills who aspire to public office, but it's all still right there.

            Faux News is still there, with the intellectual versions of Joseph Goebels great grandchildren writing their news copy and Leni Reifenstahl's equivalents operating the cameras. In spite of a nationwide effort to de-fund Rush Limbaugh by getting sponsors to abandon his show, the vicious bastard is still out there, bloviating so hard that he probably gives himself a prolapsed bowel every time he gets on the subjects of "Obamacare" or Bengali. But he can afford to keep a gastroenterologist on permanent retainer. Can you?

            Collectively, we've barely figured out where the battle is- and some still aren't sure what the war is actually about, even. Some are already getting weak at the knees when one of us dares to call them out for the vulgar bigots and extortionists they are.

            Turning the other cheek is somewhat counterproductive when someone's got a gun aimed at your head. And given that as of right now, over a million people unable to find work have no long-term assistance as of today because of the "deal" that was worked out to get a budget passed, I'd say that the neocon trigger finger has twitched again.

            •  i live in a country (0+ / 0-)

              where the christian lies has resulted in a 15% decrease in rate of membership over the past 50 years.  Where the rate of those identifying as no religion has tripled.  Where most other religions are stagnant.  Where only about 1 in 5 go to church.

            •  Without dreams (0+ / 0-)

              all you have is flour and eggs.

              and I wait for them to interrupt my drinking from this broken cup

              by le sequoit on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:21:35 AM PST

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            •  Sadly, part of this is right... (0+ / 0-)

              however, there is no need to tear someone down to do it. Instead, if you're serious about tearing down Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, why not come up with ideas to do it instead of complaining? No disrespect intended, but we need to find our unity of purpose, like the Republicans have. If you know where the battle is or what the war is actually about, then say it. Be bold, because that's what we need.

              However, you don't have to tear allies down to do it. I'm not saying let's all sing Kumbaya and hold hands, but let's realize we are all in the battle together. Think up different angles to attack the problem. That's how we can win. Post diaries regarding where the battles are and what the war is actually about. They used to say we had no power, but look at us now. We just created filibuster reform. It took awhile, yes, but we are stronger now. If you want to say persuasive things and make your arguments stronger, then lead! That's what we are lacking, a populist progressive leader for us, like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are for conservatives.

              "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

              by Seanryan on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:17:19 AM PST

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    •  Actually, a lot of people who label themselves as (4+ / 0-)
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      progressives showed themselves to be classist, regionalist bigots who didn't have a clue what they were talking about.
        All to show their hatred and contempt for the star of a cable show that they have never seen, and for the (tiny) audience that watches it.

  •  Same bigotry publicity stunt they used with (20+ / 0-)

    Dog the Bounty Hunter.

    A&E supports bigotry. They can no longer deny it.

    Libertarianism is just Fascism with a facelift. Scratch the surface of Libertarianism and you will find the notion that corporations should rule supreme, just as it was with Fascism..

    by Walt starr on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:09:55 AM PST

  •  A&E is a private corporation (12+ / 0-)

    From the perspective of its owners, it exists to make money.  The only thing this result tells us is that A&E determined it would make more money by lifting the suspension than by continuing it.  To analyze the situation in any other way is to not understand how private corporations act.

  •  long run (24+ / 0-)

    I believe, in the long run, this controversy will end up as a net positive.  Many fans of the show felt compelled to defend a belief that is fading.  It's a slow, agonizing trip to lose long held bigotry--usually learned from one's parents.  Young people, hopefully, listen to their elders defend Duck Dynasty and realize how foolish, how bad, they sound.  Confronting bigotry is better than hiding the hatred.  Out in the open, bigotry stinks.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:11:55 AM PST

    •  It's also interesting to note that the remarks (10+ / 0-)

      came from Phil, the 67 year-old patriarch, and not one of the children or grandchildren.

      That probably mirrors a lot of families.  Change comes when people see the light, but it really comes as new people are born and don't have to make the adjustment.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:27:23 AM PST

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      •  Would love to see the same questions (7+ / 0-)

        posed to the younger people in the family.

        I am firmly convinced this was all guerilla marketing.

        Since people are pretty hip to the old advertising models, I'm pretty sure the slick-suited marketing geniuses at A&E put on their MBA-thinking caps and came up with viral-facebook-outrage-will-get-money-from-dupes ad campaign and it worked.

        I always wait, with trepidation, the next iteration of the fleecing of the rubes.

        Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

        by PsychoSavannah on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:06:59 AM PST

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        •  It would be have to be more clever than I think (2+ / 0-)
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          they are.

          The elder Robertson has been saying that kind of thing for years.  He preaches at various churches and was making videos long before DD.  A&E was well aware of it.

          Hmmm.  I can think of one scenario that might not require so much cleverness, though I still wonder if the A&E folks are up to it.

          Knowing what they had, they could have been hoping from the very start that something like this would happen to build an audience for the show.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:35:50 AM PST

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        •  "I am firmly convinced this was all (2+ / 0-)
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          guerilla marketing."

          This is cousin to, "Limbaugh doesn't really believe the nonsense he says. He just does it to make money."

          Phil believes what he said.

          A&E had to do something, so they suspended him.

          Note: suspension does not mean "fired." They never intended to cancel the show.

          "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -- John Stuart Mill (March, 1866)

          by Blood on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 10:52:21 AM PST

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          •  Not really. Phil Duck has these beliefs. (1+ / 0-)
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            No question about that. Spouting that crap for years. Like most homophobes, he has an obsession with gay sex.

            Easy leap for a PR hack to say, "Let's get this guy an interview," knowing this stuff will come out.

            Big controversy ensues, token punishment meted out, show's fans heated to a lather, show goes on with more viewers than ever.  

            All totally free advertising, too.

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:37:38 PM PST

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        •  But they said the wouldn't continue (1+ / 0-)
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          They said that they would not be in the show without him.

          Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

          by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:10:33 PM PST

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    •  Sent to Top Comments. (2+ / 0-)
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      You can do it too. It's easy!
      Just email us at topcomments@gmail.com or message us on kosmail at Top Comments.



      Top Comments posts nightly at 10pm EST.

      "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

      by Dragon5616 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:34:57 AM PST

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  •  BREAKING: A&E acts like the corporation they are (6+ / 0-)

    Seriously, isn't time to move on from this?

    Or are we now going to move into the inevitable calls for more boycotts?

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:12:27 AM PST

  •  Another Bread and Circuses distraction. (7+ / 0-)

    We already know how evangelicals vote.

    It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

    by Desert Rose on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:12:45 AM PST

  •  Duck Dynasty. David Duke. (8+ / 0-)

    Coincidence? Perhaps. But Phil Robertson is now an honorary member of the KKK.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:12:53 AM PST

  •  Never stop a conservatives showing his real self (9+ / 0-)
    •  As a matter of fact- (0+ / 0-)

      the governor of Maryland made a great statement---in my opinion-----regarding the difference between democrats and republicans.

      He was speaking of governors--specifically---but I think it holds water---period:

      “The fundamental difference between most Democratic governors and most Republican governors has to do with ideology versus a more entrepreneurial approach,” he said. “Democratic governors exist in a reality-based world. We are not chained to ideology.”---Martin o'Malley-Governor-Maryland

      "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

      by lyvwyr101 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 07:12:30 AM PST

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  •  They're all idiots and their 15 minutes will be up (8+ / 0-)

    soon enough and I won't have to hear the ignorant words "Duck Dynasty" ever again.  Except for in one of those "Where are they now?" shows.

  •  Never watch A&E (14+ / 0-)

    Never wanted to.  Never need to.  Will probably never in the future.

    Fuck them.

    Fuck the Duck Dynasty.  Sarah Palin is pathetic.

    A disabled Vietnam veteran who served honorably to protect and defend the US Constitution.

  •  Hmmmm.... (5+ / 0-)

    from 'Cabaret'....

    Money makes the world go around
    The world go around
    The world go around
    Money makes the world go around
    It makes the world go 'round.

    A mark, a yen, a buck, or a pound
    A buck or a pound
    A buck or a pound
    Is all that makes the world go around,
    That clinking clanking sound
    Can make the world go 'round.

    Shame on you A&E.  The bottom line trumps all.  WTG!  Not.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:18:27 AM PST

  •  "A&E's top-rated show" . . . . (9+ / 0-)

    Sort of like being "the top-rated restaurant in Juneau, Alaska".
    (shrug)

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:19:05 AM PST

  •  Their 15 minutes up in 3, 2,... (3+ / 0-)
  •  Last week, a Duk Dynasty marathon on A&E (13+ / 0-)

    Oddly, and coincidentally, A&E showed a marathon of "Duck Dynasty" all Christmas week.

    It's almost as if the controversy, suspension, and reinstatement were . . . coordinated. Now, if the company that owned A&E also owned GQ, it would be too much for the cynical to bear.

    Everyone's innocent of some crime.

    by The Geogre on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:19:48 AM PST

  •  There was more to his interview than homophobia. (16+ / 0-)

    It included some stunningly stupid remarks about African-Americans living in the South during the Civil Rights / Jim Crow era. This part of the interview isn't even being mentioned. Is it all forgotten?

    "Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down." Bill Clinton

    by irate on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:21:49 AM PST

    •  It's been mentioned a few times. (4+ / 0-)
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      Hard to get too much mileage from it because it's sort of stock ignorance.  More dumb than inciteful.

      Actually, the remarks about gay people were rather stock, too.   Guess gay people yell louder these days.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:29:30 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Worse than forgotten. The history gets distorted. (7+ / 0-)

      Lots of conservatives post their misinterpretations of history, such as the fact that Martin Luther King was registered as a Republican as "proving" that he would still be a Republican if he was still alive today.  Of course, they ignore the reality that Southern Democrats basically were in that Party because Lincoln had been a Republican a century ago when the two parties were very different than they had become in the 1960s.  And they wind up denying that these Southern Democrats rapidly changed their affiliation to Republican once the Civil Rights laws were passed.

      Eventually, many conservatives wind up claiming that Democrats are "enslaving Blacks" with various forms of government assistance which in reality are used primarily by Whites.

  •  The arguments in favor (4+ / 0-)

    ...and the feel of them, don't seem any different to me than the arguments people I know use to excuse members of their family who feel exactly the same way as dear patriarch whatshisface.  I think the truth is that "gay people are dirty because buttsecks" and "them black folks were better off back in the slave days" are entirely of mainstream American opinion, and almost everyone reading this has a relative or friend who they would defend, in the right circumstances.

    Or, I'm wrong and really really bitter.  

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:21:55 AM PST

    •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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      "them black folks were better off back in the slave days," properly modified (as Phil did) to "I never personally saw a black person mistreated," is completely mainstream opinion among whites who lived through the late Jim Crow era.

      The implicit thrust of this opinion is that the Jim Crow abuses were relatively minor and isolated, and have been greatly exaggerated by modern liberals for purely political purposes. Can't we just move along and forget those minor abuses?

      "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -- John Stuart Mill (March, 1866)

      by Blood on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:02:58 AM PST

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      •  I really hate these people (1+ / 0-)
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        ...and it's bad for me.

        I grew up listening to (never from my parents) crap about how black people smell different and how the black drivers for the postal service weren't as good behind the wheel and then it would end with some version of that, of "I never saw a black person mistreated" or other hearkening back to the bigoted days of yore.  I'm queer and militant as hell but his buttsecks squick is in no way worse than the truly vile racist stuff.  

        But it is part and parcel of America, as roundly mainstream as it gets.  Real nice people believe that, real nice people, nice all the time.  Never a swear word, never a  bit of visible anger.  Just don't look to them to ever, every make room for people who are different, or cut a break to anyone who makes them uncomfortable.  

        Bad for me, esp. if I'm this easily set off on a rant after my workout and a nice slice of stollen.

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 01:16:32 PM PST

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  •  Show a little love . . . (0+ / 0-)

    . . . Very Little!

  •  His "suspension" was a nanosecond (6+ / 0-)

    and it garnered mega publicity for DD, and even got people who never ever watch the show curious about it. So it was a win-win for their show, Phil Robertson and that Joan of Arc for the rightwing set, Sarah ducking Palin.

    "Let's stay together"--Rev. Al Green and President Obama

    by collardgreens on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:23:57 AM PST

  •  Ordinarily upper management at A&E would (5+ / 0-)

    take your questions but couldn't hear them over the sound of cash registers ringing.  

  •  Progressives are winning. The outpouring (6+ / 0-)

    of support for bigotry in Conservaland is the best news we could have- they're motivated by the knowledge that they're losing.  A bigot on a cable show mocking rednecks while playing to them and making money from them is no where near as significant as the human rights gains of the last 5 years.  

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:24:29 AM PST

  •  I spent 20 years in the South. (30+ / 0-)

    I don't give a rat's ass about what this un-reconstructed fake white trash sonofabitch has to say about anything.

    As for "A&E", I am old enough to remember their argument that they would "kill PBS".

    A&E has been a vulture from the beginning, and the best argument for Public Broadcasting.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:25:06 AM PST

  •  Really? This is how we spend our time? (5+ / 0-)
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    If I were all the people complaining about the fact that some trailer-park-trash-with-money reality TV star doesn't like gays, I'd be ashamed of myself - for watching the show and even knowing who this guy is.

    I HATE reality TV, almost as much as this guy hates gays.  I can watch Survivor, and a few of the "game" shows, but, the rest is just a high profit exploitation of people too dumb to know the joke is on them!  They paid the cast from "Friends" a million dollars per episode - each, and that was in the 1990's.  What do you think A/E pays the ducknecks?  A clue:  it's no where near $6 million per episode -  and the actors provide their own sets!.  Does it still take a rocket scientist to figure out why they pump out these sickening reality TV shows, each one dumber and more insulting than the last?  "Honey Boo Boo", anybody?  

    Get off the thought police bandwagon here.  This guy has a right to believe whatever he wants to believe, and dislike whoever he wants to dislike, for whatever reason.  This isn't Nazi Germany, at least not yet.  And, in response, we all have a right to turn the channel.

    •  Because they're cheap to make (1+ / 0-)
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      Does it still take a rocket scientist to figure out why they pump out these sickening reality TV shows, each one dumber and more insulting than the last?
      and, profitable because of that...

      America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

      by dagnome on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:32:36 AM PST

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    •  So you do watch some reality shows, (1+ / 0-)
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      just not this one. Me too. Let's face it, we are a diverse world with diverse tastes. There are no longer only 3 channels - there are hundreds, plus all of the entertainment available away from TV. So every show has got its tiny sliver of the audience pie, and everyone gets to watch shows that are precisely geared for their tastes. Including a show about rednecks who are, well, rednecks.

  •  Hip Hip Homophobia! (1+ / 0-)
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    All his fans can go celebrate with these idiots at Chick-Fil-A: Hungry Hungry Homophobes

  •  Wait just a minute.... (4+ / 0-)

    If A&E had cancelled this show, where else might their vast audience of dipshits go to find important info on such things as the etiquette of blowing one's nose into their beard...or how to distinguish squirrel shit from dried gooseberries...and how to eat both?   Think about it...really!

    And their fashion guidance...where would they go?  What's the latest in camo jock-straps or head gear ?    

    What version of the bible should they quote while skinning small animals and discussing whether or not the earth is flat?

    The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. - Dante Alighieri

    by Persiflage on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:36:16 AM PST

  •  I was surprised when people like Jon Stewart (2+ / 0-)
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    opted to defend this guy and say he should not have been suspended.  If they were upset when CEOs have bashed gays or minorities, ad thought it was good to strike them, why is it not OK when a company suspends someone for doing so. They thought it was OK when the Twitter "I'm white I won't get AIDS" lady was fired.  Why was everyone on the world coming to this guy's defense?

    •  Because in both of those (1+ / 0-)
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      cases, their personal opinions were unsolicited and inappropriate. CEOs and PR professionals are public representatives of companies.

      In this case, it's a reality show delving into the private life of a bunch of idiots. What do you want him to do? Lie? Say he didn't really mean it? You can find far uglier views exposed at fstdt.com any day of the week.

      This guy is entitled to his personal opinion, no matter how bigoted it is. Of course, people could hold A&E responsible for spewing such crap in the first place. That's the best thing about TV-- it's so easy to boycott.

      •  Simpler than that. Jon Stewart makes his living (1+ / 0-)
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        on TV. I'm sure he doesn't want to see cable TV personalities becoming casualties of a culture war whenever they make the slightest comment.

      •  Well, my point was that of course the man can say (0+ / 0-)

        whatever he wants to say.  But it is also A&E's right not to be associated with what he says if they feel it does not live up to whatever standards they set.

        And Jon Stewart has defended people in the past who boycotted companies where the CEO made outrageous statements.  So why would he not support A&E from distancing themselves from comments they feel do not represent them?  This man is a public representative of A&E because he is aired on their network.

        Or are you deliberating misinterpreting my point?

  •  By the way, the oldest Public Broadcasting (8+ / 0-)

    television station in the nation with continuous broadcasts is KUHT, in Houston, Texas. Thanks, Lyndon.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:39:46 AM PST

  •  I think we can all agree that it was (6+ / 0-)

    uplifting to learn of Bobby Jindal's support for Duck Dynasty.

    That Bobby Jindal's a keen player, dontchaknow.

    How very shrewd of Bobby to see this as an anti-Christian episode in dire need of defending by a very marginal Republican presidential aspirant.

    Give 'em hell, Bobby.  

     

  •  And Jersey Shore wasn't renewed? (4+ / 0-)
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    Where is the justice? Where?

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:47:27 AM PST

  •  Is this Duck Dynasty (2+ / 0-)
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    diary #117? We need more.

  •  Cancel Duck Dynasty (8+ / 0-)

    Disney owns 50% of A&E. Put the pressure on them.

    http://petitions.moveon.org/...

    •  ^^^^^^There's the solution^^^^^^^ (4+ / 0-)
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      or at least a way to effectively show displeasure other than bloviating here or elsewhere.

      I wonder how far ex-Governor Palin would have gotten if she wasn't an ex-beauty queen? Hate wrapped in a rather attractive package or the Duck Dynasty hairiness appears more tolerable than just plain hatred.

      Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations. ~ George Orwell

      by 4Freedom on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:57:33 AM PST

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      •  Making it less profitable (1+ / 0-)
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        By not buying what DD advertisers are selling is another possible avenue.
        These shows live on ad revenue, don't ever forget that.

        "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

        by SNFinVA on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:53:09 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  ... (1+ / 0-)
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          Boycotting advertisers, owners, and the show is the only truly effective ways.  I doubt boycotting Disney will do anything.  The baptists and others have tried and it has failed... If you can convince Iger or a high up to take it as a moral crusade that it's possibility but not sure that happens.

          Boycotting the show may work, but I'm guessing it only costs them 1-3 million viewers which while a hit still ranks it as one of cable's highest.

          Advertisers are key.  Boycott them until they stop advertising on A and E.  Get NAACP involved along with gay rights groups...Not sure it's successful, but that would seem to be the best strategic plan.

    •  I'm seeing a VERY revealing Donald Duck (0+ / 0-)

      biopic…

  •  And.... (0+ / 0-)

    Just exactly when will MSNBC re-hire Martin Bashir?

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 07:53:27 AM PST

    •  When 250,000 people sign a petition (4+ / 0-)

      demanding it?

      The difference between Bashir and this guy boils down to two things.  (1) the audience for the duck show is huge (12 million watched the season premiere, according to news reports) compared to Bashir (maybe 500,000?).  (2) That huge audience for the duck show made their displeasure known in a lot of different ways, not just that Petition.

      In other words, there was a big demand by a lot of people to put the duck guy back on.  Bashir -- not so much.  

    •  Never. While the duck guy's comments (2+ / 0-)
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      were bad, he didn't wish for someone to shit in anyone's mouth.  Bashir was so, so, so wrong with that comment, I really can't understand how anyone could defend him.

      Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

      by PsychoSavannah on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:14:53 AM PST

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      •  Hmmmm.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Absolutely no one is defending Martin Bashir.  
        There's no defense for ignorance, bigotry or racism either.... Oh, wait.... that's already been done by A&E.  Ignorance, bigotry and racism should never be defended even by a large corporation just because of money.
        Martin Bashir apologized for his statement.  He was wrong and he admitted it, however, there is SO much wrong with the 'Duck Dynasty' guy and Sarah Palin, one can hardly know where to begin.  Martin Bashir apologized.  Where is Phil Robertson's apology for his homophobic and racist statements?  Sarah Palin never has apologized for ANY of her outrageously egregious statements.  Yet, pathetically, we will still hear from them.
        Therefore, was just wondering just exactly when MSNBC will rehire Martin Bashir.
        Because he has far more to offer than the 'Duck Dynasty' guy or Sarah Palin ever have or ever will.

        I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

        by Lilyvt on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:08:51 AM PST

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    •  If MSNBC rehires Bashir (0+ / 0-)

      each of his 3 viewers will be thrilled.

  •  A& (0+ / 0-)

    E Buh-Bye - Just removed A&E from my Direct TV program list. They probably won't miss me, but maybe if you and you and you and you, do the same...

    •  Well.... (0+ / 0-)
      Just removed A&E from my Direct TV program list.
      Wish I could, but it's on all the tiers.
      And frankly I DO love the old movie channels, don't watch much else, nothing worth my time.

      I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

      by Lilyvt on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 02:55:49 PM PST

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  •  A quote from Phil... (1+ / 0-)
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    "You put in your article that the Robertson family really believes strongly that if the human race loved each other and they loved God, we would just be better off. We ought to just be repentant, turn to God, and let’s get on with it, and everything will turn around."

    What a bigot!

    •  All well and good......but (2+ / 0-)
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      I suspect that they're definitions of "love" and "turn to God" are extremely narrowly defined.

      I interpret this statement as more along the lines of "Everybody needs to be just like us".

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:40:03 AM PST

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  •  Why is anyone surprised? (1+ / 0-)
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    It is all about money in this country and anyone will be thrown under the bus by any corporation to make more.

  •  It might be kinda fun if A&E would (1+ / 0-)
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    put into development a feature film of Duck Dynasty in which the cast continues just as they're doing now and Phil Robertson makes his assertive racial and anti-gay slurs, prompting an assault on the family compound by an amalgam of assailants, ideally to include Elton John, Pussy Riot, Ellen DeGeneres, Edmund White, and a militant contingent from PETA.

    I'd buy a ticket for that.

    Be a great date flick, too.

    •  I was thinking the same thing. Call it the (1+ / 0-)
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      WBC Family Values.

      This is how we plan our mayhem
      We shine and polish our hate gem
      The Fred Phlegm Family.

      Hell

      Fire

      Hate

      So make a sign to show 'em
      How much hate that we have growin'
      We're gonna pay a a call on
      The Fred Phlegm Family.

      Strange

      Derranged

      The Fred Phlegm family.

      Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

      by 88kathy on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:17:51 AM PST

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  •  More shiny baubles (2+ / 0-)
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    ... for the culture war. Meanwhile, both parties agree on the essential organization of our society, where wealth calls the tune, and those who have the most, get even more.

  •  I am 1001% Very Glad. HooRay for Bigots and (8+ / 0-)

    The Corporate Media that Cuddles them.

    Phil Robertson said despicable things about African Americans and the Corporate Media willfully pretended ONCE again that it didn't happen Nor were the comments worthy of discussions.

    Just like when SCOTUS struck down sec 4 of the Voting Rights.  The media paid lip service for 5 seconds and concentrated their coverage on DOMA to be ruled on the next day, last June.  Just like Birthrism endless airing on TV/Cable and Prints were and are okay.  Just like Politifact calling Pres Obama words Lie of the Year when in 2009 and in 2012 the same words were deemed by Politifact as Mostly True/False......can't remember how Politfact termed it then.

    Racism in US National media is alive and well.  Picking on the LGBTQ community is No Longer cool.....but now with Phil Robertson......LGBTQ Community BETTER watch out.........The Corporate Media is now saying that Money is The Goal Not Your Community's Rights........Just like they have said to African Americans, Women, Latinos/Hispanics, etc.

    There is a Solution.  In 2014.....VOTE these haters out.

    •  Think about it another way. (1+ / 0-)
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      We are a nation that prides itself on our right to free expression. Here you have a guy with no public position, a reality show character on a cable network. He has opinions that are racist and offensive. Should we as a society not allow for people with offensive views to be able to express them? Are we better off ensuring that no one ever in the public arena is able to utter words of ignorance, or are we better off being a free society where we don't fear unattractive ideas and words?

      •  He has a right to free expression (2+ / 0-)
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        "Free expression" means that the government cannot put this guy in jail.  It does not mean that he gets to go on television.

        He doesn't have a right to be paid for his words.

        I don't fear his ideas and words, as long as those with opposing views have an equal ability to air them.

        I don't see this happening in the United States today.  I see that a minority of people have taken over the majority of the airwaves.

        Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

        by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:21:53 PM PST

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    •  Money IS more important than people (1+ / 0-)
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      nosotros no somos estúpidos

      by a2nite on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:45:18 AM PST

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  •  Enough! (2+ / 0-)
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    We know Sarah Palin is an idiot.

    We know the Duck Dynasty dude is a homophobe.

    This ain't newsworthy.

    •  It isn't news, exactly, but the (0+ / 0-)

      episode is a cultural flare.

      It lit up a large area in the psyche.  

      Tongues will wag.

    •  It's the spin off's. Just think the Fred Phlegm (1+ / 0-)
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      Family goes to Church.

      It will be so cute and funny.

      Sign making Sunday.
      How to carry 4 signs so your face don't show.
      Law School Bible Study, not necessarily Bible, but where you stand so as not to be arrested.
      Disgusting things we can say, open spirit brain storm.

      Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

      by 88kathy on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:23:32 AM PST

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  •  It's Wingnuts Who Equate Religion and Bigotry (5+ / 0-)

    RWNJs accuse the gays of using the Duck Dynasty issue to equate religion and bigotry, although mostly gays probably resent being equated with terrorists.  But mainly RWNJs are using it as an opportunity to proclaim yes, they want there to be no doubt that their religion is largely based on bigotry. It's not gays that are accusing religious people of being bigots, it's the RWNJs who are taking the opportunity to say that only bigots can be religious.

    This is of course right out of The Paranoid Style In American Politics (1964), that that paranoid accusation againt their (often imaginary) enemy is the very thing the paranoid is really guilty of.  Not only is there no effort to conceal this connection, they seem to actually make the connection pretty explicit.  For instance, Hitler (who was famously paranoid) would have said something like "It's the Jews who are genocidal racist maniacs.  The Jews are a filthy degenerate race...."  See? there's no effort to conceal what is essentially a paranoid psychotic style of thought; it's right out front.

    A familiar example is the number of wingnuts who insist that "the left" is organized according to "Rules For Radicals,"  but it's the RWNJs who are the ones quoting "Rules For Radicals" a good 95% of the time.


     Emulating the Enemy (from The Paranoid Style)

        It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him. The enemy may be the cosmopolitan intellectual, but the paranoid will outdo him in the apparatus of scholarship, even of pedantry. Secret organizations set up to combat (imaginary) secret organizations give the same flattery. The Ku Klux Klan imitated Catholicism to the point of donning priestly vestments, developing an elaborate ritual and an equally elaborate hierarchy (to combat the imaginary Catholic conspiracy). The John Birch Society emulates Communist cells (of the imaginary Communist conspiracy).and quasi-secret operation through “front” groups, and preaches a ruthless prosecution of the ideological war along lines very similar to those it finds in the Communist enemy.* Spokesmen of the various fundamentalist anti-Communist “crusades” openly express their admiration for the dedication and discipline the Communist cause calls forth (and they still praise Stalin, Mao, and Hitler).
       The Paranoid Style In American Politics (1964)

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:05:26 AM PST

  •  Pure marketing ploy (4+ / 0-)

    In entertainment there is no such thing as "bad press".

    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

    by Da Rock on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:11:16 AM PST

  •  Duck Dynasty flap was a diversion (1+ / 0-)
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    for the mainstream news media from actually covering more of the Wikileaks story on massive spying on US citizens.
       Duck Dynasty pere did, after all, answer a question in an interview he consented to. It wasn't like he was trying to hide his opinions.
        The mainstream media has likewise done a superficial job of covering an issue on the minds of most people--being employed in a job that actually uses your skills, and pays fairly for doing so. The Duck Dynasty episode is another  example of life for the upper 1 perce--they can do anything foolish they like, while the 99 percent are subject to all forms of "stop and frisk" by the Reupblican moral police. Thomas Jefferson would be appalled.

  •  Can we stop calling duck calls "sex toys"? (2+ / 0-)
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    Duck season is not during the breeding season for most if not all species--certainly not mallards, which have to be the most popular call.  Calling ducks works because ducks are social, and because they are looking for safe places to rest and feed.  Most duck hunting takes place during the fall migration, so the ducks are in unfamiliar territory.  When they see a bunch of ducks safely sitting on the water, and those ducks call out to them, they figure it's a good place.

    If hunters can fake it well enough using decoys and calls, they can lure ducks in.

  •  In Russia a TV host talks about burning gays alive (3+ / 0-)

    A&E is promoting hate and bigotry and need to be held to account.

  •  My theory when this first hit (2+ / 0-)
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    was that this "family" "reality" show had taken off in ways that the actors never predicted. The fame, the massive merchandising enterprise, and the visibility into their "lifestyle" (real or faux) were taking a toll on at least some of the participants.  

    Still, there was money to be made for them, and more importantly, for A&E, with every indication that this cash cow would be good for another few years of profits. How to escape without angering the fans, the network, the sponsors, or the cast members who wanted the money to keep flowing?

    So Phil says some egregious things in an interview. It's a winner either way.

    As it turns out, the fans come out of the swamp woodwork and howl about "freedom of speech". Phil and the gang can now name their terms as they hold the witless A&E execs hostage. If it had gone the other way, they could have cashed out, kept part of their operations chugging along, and gotten out of the limelight that may have revealed some things they'd rather have kept under wraps.

    Oh... one more thing... with all the grandkids in this "Dynasty", odds are that at least one might be [gasp!] gay. The strain of living in this Terrarium of Bigotry would be unbearable. How much money could make up for that?

  •  Duck who? (nt) (0+ / 0-)

    warning: snark probably above

    by NE2 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:17:48 AM PST

  •  Southern Duck idiots (0+ / 0-)

    These dopes and their hypocrite Southern Evangelical pals are scum, don't care what they make from that dopy show. On another front, I or my family WILL NEVER enter a CrackerBarrel Resturant again.  

  •  Of course they are since they love bigots because (1+ / 0-)
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    they make for "good" TV.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:37:54 AM PST

  •  Those who call his quote "bigoted" (0+ / 0-)

    need to understand exactly why that generated such outrage from a large number of people  -- outrage that resulted in his getting back on the air (well, of course, he was never "off" the air).

    What the duck guy said about same sex relationships is pretty much exactly what the Bible says.  

    Compare for yourself:  

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11
    New International Version (NIV)
    9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
    So, when people call his comments "bigoted," they are denigrating the Bible.  Now, that certainly is not a problem for people who either (1) don't believe that there is any religious significance to the Bible, or (2) don't believe that this passage means what it says.  But  for the millions of people who do take the Bible -- especially the New Testament -- very seriously, denigrating the Bible is a very big deal.  Think what happens when people denigrate the Koran to Muslims.  It's pretty much the same thing.

    I'm not telling anyone what to say, or what not to say, about the Bible.  I'm just pointing out that you can't denigrate the "holy" book of a religion that has millions of followers who take that book very seriously without expecting a huge backlash from those religious followers.

    And before anyone starts accusing me of being bigoted (which typically happens when I point out that this is a constitutionally-protected religious view of millions of people), I personally think that the civil laws should allow any two adults to enter into a civil contract (which is what civil marriage is).  I also believe that people should be allowed the free exercise of their own religious beliefs in their own lives, as long as they don't impose those beliefs on others.  I am particularly fond of this quote from Jefferson:"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

    •  Doesn't say anything about lesbian sex (1+ / 0-)
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      . . . if you take the Bible quote literally. Just proscribes "men who have sex with men."

      Maybe lesbian sex is okay with the NIV Bible. Just sayin'.

      •  Actually, I don't think that there is a passage in (0+ / 0-)

        the Bible that condemns lesbian sex. Leviticus forbids a man from having sex with a man as with a woman. And it forbids both men and women from having sex with beasts. One verse follows the other - Leviticus 18:22-23 - But there is nothing in there about women having sex with other women.

        (BTW, reading Leviticus, I wonder what was going on among those ancient Hebrew tribes that they felt they needed laws about all those things.)

    •  I missed the part in the Bible (5+ / 0-)

      where it talks about the blacks being happier under Jim Crow, which was his other arguably even more offensive statement.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:46:40 AM PST

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      •  But not the one that got all the attention. (0+ / 0-)

        The one that was publicized the most was the one that was almost a direct quote from Corinthians.  That's the one that got most of the attention from the critics and the supporters.  

        I'm only pointing out that when people call his comments about same-sex relationships bigoted (as a lot of people, here and elsewhere, did), they are literally calling the Bible bigoted.  And when you denigrate a book that is considered "holy" by millions of people, of course there's going to be a backlash.  Which is exactly what happened.  

        •  People calling the Bible "bigoted"? (1+ / 0-)
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          Count me on the list of people who do just that.  

          It's an old war horse, worse for the wear.  We need a new one.  One that includes everybody in all the passages and not just some.  

          I propose that Bill Moyers be appointed to enjoin said task.

      •  Same here. And I even read it (2+ / 0-)
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        all the way through.

    •  I can think of a lot of people (3+ / 0-)
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      who would fit the "greedy" part, which they seem happy enough to overlook.

      The Bible lists a huge number of sins but all the evangelicals want to talk about is sex. They're more obsessed with gay sex than most gay people I know.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:03:07 AM PST

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      •  Problem with the Bible (2+ / 0-)
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        Is it has been changed several times over the centuries to reflect a particular ruler's or Bishop's opinion and several parts that were in, were taken out. Also when it was transcribed there were very few clerics literate in different languages and several parts were mis-translated as well as several parts were written up to 500 yrs after Jesus death.

    •  Your remarks are confusing (2+ / 0-)
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      On the one hand you say that if a person supports same sex relationships they are denigrating the Bible.

      But  for the millions of people who do take the Bible -- especially the New Testament -- very seriously, denigrating the Bible is a very big deal.
      (I don't see how you make the leap that by disagreeing with someone you are denigrating them, frankly, but I'll leave it there.)

      Yet in another instance, you "fondly" quote Jefferson as saying that it is not "denigrating" to have someone believe differently from you:

      "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
      Sounds to me like your second quote would also be "a very big deal" to those who take the Bible seriously--and yet you are fond of it?

      Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

      by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:33:13 PM PST

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  •  According to polls (0+ / 0-)

    75% of the public (including Republicans!) has no respect at all for That Woman, so what makes her relevant exactly?

  •  I think the whole thing was planned by A&E (4+ / 0-)
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    and/or the Robertsons. Controversy sells. It gets media coverage, therefore it gets folks attention. The Robertsons sell duck calls and other products. They know how to sell things. Their hillbilly image is kind of fake. Search for pics of them before the show. They are clean shaved, short haired, clean cut, khaki pants, alligator shirt wearing suburban types.  They are business men who want people to watch the show and buy their duck calls. They knew what they were doing with this. And the media plays along with it.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:44:54 AM PST

  •  MSNBC Should Reinstate Martin Bashir ---- (2+ / 0-)
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    He was just exercising his 1st Amendment rights when he honestly described Sarah Palin.

  •  I dropped cable months ago (4+ / 0-)

    At that time my provider wanted to know why I dropped cable.

    My response was:
    1.  Too expensive
    2.  I stream 75% what I watch
    3.  I can only watch one shot at a time.
    4.  I can watch a few hours on DVR a week.  Many recordings are deleted.
    5.  I want to choose the stations I watch and  your company will not let me choose.
    6.  Over the air TV is free.

    When I had cable I did not watch A&E at all.  

    Sarcasm on...It is so nice I live in a post racial America...Sarcasm off.

    by wbishop3 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:56:56 AM PST

  •  Please ... (5+ / 0-)

    as someone pointed out on another site - the merchandise was on clearance in stores because it wasn't selling ... and supposedly, viewership had dropped.  

    What do you do? You create a controversy and then ... solve the controversy.  Everyone is happy - the merchandise is selling, the controversy will drive viewership and even Chick-filet can get into the act ... Le Sigh.

    So, now everyone is happy, right? A & E makes money, the Duck Cult makes more money - and the noise machine has had it's new shiny object for the week ...

    I've always said when something like this happens, look to the money....

    The man is an ass, but not that much of one not to realize a new vein of gold when he sees it.  

  •  It's about money (1+ / 0-)
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    and the first amendment. End of story.

    A and E is looking for return on investment and Phil Robertson has every right to say disparaging remarks about whoever he wants to.

    By making noise about what an ignorant clown masquerading as a corporate capitalist has to say in regard to social commentary, progressives and the left literally hand over political ammo to more ignorant clowns like Palin and her tea bagger minions.

    I'm a politically left of center divorced male, living alone, in my early to middle sixties. I own my house, a small truck, a small car, and other assorted personal possessions that most people in modern society own. I will never ever marry again with anyone of any sex. That doesn't mean I don't have a social life. While I'm not gay, I live as if I am. Do I care what my neighbors or those in my social circle think or say? No. Because the one's who talk the loudest live the most pretentious lives. And that goes for the Palin's and her tea bagger minions and the Robertson's and their minions. These people should be ignored. We have John McCain to thank for giving a clown like Sarah Palin a platform to spew her noxious brew of bigotry and predjudice. Shame on him. A and E gives clowns like Phil Robertson a platform to spew his noxious brew of bigotry and predjudice. Shame on them. End of story.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

    by harris stein on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:20:28 AM PST

    •  I hear this a lot (0+ / 0-)

      "Ignore them"

      Is that how the Right reacts when a public figure says something that offends them? I think not.

      If it was such an effective tactic I suspect they would have adopted it by now.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:55:17 AM PST

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      •  I hate cliches, don't you? (0+ / 0-)

        But this one says it all.

        Two wrongs don't make a right.

        Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

        by harris stein on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:02:31 AM PST

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      •  If the Right is doing it... (0+ / 0-)

        it must be a good thing!  I agree, lets continue copying them.

        •  More cliches (0+ / 0-)

          Monkey see, monkey do.

          How about this one. Fight fire with fire. In other words make sure there's an injustice before you go off half cocked and lose all your marbles.

          Phil Robertson didn't commit an injustice. He has a right to say anything he wants about anyone as long as it isn't threatening to anyone or incites a mob to commit criminal acts. Last time I checked he hadn't done either one of those things.

          Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

          by harris stein on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 01:42:31 PM PST

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    •  It is about money (0+ / 0-)

      But it's not at all remotely about the first amendment.

      Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

      by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:35:52 PM PST

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  •  Oh great. Now Sarah (4+ / 0-)

    Palin will take full credit for having the Dick of Duck re-instated.
    We'll never get rid of her.

    •  She can take credit for that (0+ / 0-)

      Just like she takes credit for everything else.

      I bet she takes credit for every girl child being named Sarah after 2008.

      Fox's Brian Kilmeade on Starbucks' decision to ban guns in stores: "Real simple - if you have a gun, go to Dunkin Donuts."

      by NCJan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:37:15 PM PST

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  •  Isn't it time (4+ / 0-)

    that A&E dropped the "A" and became just the "E" network?  They let the "Arts" part go some time ago much like MTV dumped the "M" (music) part.

    •  Well.... (1+ / 0-)
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      They should drop the E as well, cause the stuff that's on the station isn't very Entertaining.
      It should just have the & as a logo.  As in 'and stuff'.

      I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

      by Lilyvt on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 03:13:02 PM PST

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  •  Louis Farrakhan on A&E (1+ / 0-)
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    What's good for the Duck is good for the Gander

  •  This is a big loss for the gayrights movement. (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, schumann

    Not so much that some old white guy got reinstated for hating people, but that bullshit press release from the company that pretty much could have been written by Sarah Palin herself with all the doubletalk and bullshit catering to right wing assholes.  They definitely won. The media will take note, and now the "Is LGBT rights over" concenr trolling will start like this:

    ‘Duck Dynasty’ Reversal Shows GLAAD Has an Expiration Date

    Read more: ‘Duck Dynasty’ Reversal Shows GLAAD Has an Expiration Date | TIME.com http://ideas.time.com/...

    In many ways, this is kind of like Reagan firing the air traffic controllers.  No one expected labor to take such a hit, and I doubt that people expected this kind of capitulation from a media company.  The massive press attention on this will probably stifle gay rights momentum at least somewhat.  Hopefully not too much, but it's a hit.  People who were uncomfortable to openly hate on gay people lately, will now feel that their views are validated and are more likely to fight equality in the future.  

    It's too bad that the NAACP didn't weigh in on the whole thing with this guy's "Things were better under Jim Crow" remarks.  A&E would have had a much harder time backing away from that.  

    A shame really, but in any campaign, there will be losses.  The question now is what's the next step.  There has to be some sort of effective response, otherwise there will be more losses in the future.

    GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

    by LordMike on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:57:01 AM PST

  •  The Quack show and others like it on TV or (1+ / 0-)
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    schumann

    radio are there to keep America in a moronic state. Good luck.

  •  A&E needs to show exactly who produces the show (1+ / 0-)
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    emyrphe

    A&E, if it has any shred of ethics left at all, needs to introduce America to the production team responsible for bringing their programming to TV. I propose, before every episode of Duck Dynasty, A&E air a short 10 second promo showing and describing the job a particular or a few employees who happen to be LGBT do for the show. A&E, as most creative employers know, relies on the gay community for a higher percentage of their talent than other job fields.

    If Billy Bob and Martha Johnson in Alabama realize that the gay community has a huge responsibility in producing and bringing their favorite show to air, only then will they realize the hypocrisy the family of Duck Dynasty shares with A&E corp. It is hypocritical and immoral for the Duck Dynasty family to profit from the hard work of those they would seemingly wish to condemn to hellfire, and it is unethical for A&E to not share the reality of the show's production and its important gay employees.

  •  I think you might see... (0+ / 0-)

    ...a little of the Flush Rush movement here. The show itself will not be targeted for boycott. Advertisers will be made aware that they are supporting bigotry however. And when this stuff hits Facebook and Twitter, there will be hard choices to make for certain companies.

  •  Norman Lear covered this ground before... (3+ / 0-)
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    He created the single most important TV show in history, All in the Family. Norman set out to teach us all a lesson in humility, compassion, love and understanding. The nation responded and before you knew it, it was not OK to tell Pollock jokes or call someone a kike or say you jewed him down on price or that your friend was a spic, hebe, dago, wop, jap, slant eye, fag and so on. Norman shamed us and I actually thought it was a lesson that did not need to be re-taught. But here we have a new generation of Archies and a whole bunch of celebrities that would likely view All in the Family as if it were blasphemy or unAmerican. If you live long enough, you see everything it seems. Like Joni said, its a circle game..

    Do facts matter anymore?

    by Sinan on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 10:38:14 AM PST

    •  It had a weird dynamic. (1+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil

      It made bigotry funny and something worth ridicule, but I don't know how it played out long term, because the conservative tide rolled in about 10 years later.

      Oddly, All in the Family had a mixed record on gay issues.

      I remember a couple of episodes where characters who were ridiculed by Archie for being "gay" were defended by the kids who denied their friends were gay, which implied there was something wrong with being gay.

      On the other hand, Archie's bar buddy who was a former football player shocked Archie by saying he was gay, so that kind of took a stronger view against homophobic behavior.

      Like I said, kind of a mixed record.

  •  Letters of support and petitions (0+ / 0-)

    supporting bigotry...................and they won!

    They positively won!

    And not for the first time---either---in this country.

    Not a new low---just one more level down.

    How incredibly unbelieveably sad this is--------------------what a farce this has really become.

    Welcome to America---where we celebrate the most shameful conduct you can think of---and take real delight in our victory.

    The triumph of the low-------the victory of the lack.

    "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

    by lyvwyr101 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 10:54:49 AM PST

  •  Sarah Palin (0+ / 0-)

    Sarah Palin will just have to move on the next outrage... and we will follow her wherever she goes, reporting every word she says as if she still matters.

    Hey speaking of moving on, you do realize she is the losing VP candidate from TWO elections ago??

  •  I thought all along that it was a set-up. (1+ / 0-)
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    Tonedevil

    A publicity stunt, as they used to call them.  It ginned up a lot of interest in the show, and a lot of purchases of their merch.  

    It was all deliberate, all planned.  You won't convince me otherwise.

    George W. Bush: Commit war crimes, then paint pictures. Reverse of how the other fellow did it. — billmon

    by snazzzybird on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:25:08 AM PST

  •  The more outrageous aspect of this (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    is the hypocrisy of A & E. Robertson is an Evangelical Christian who along with 75% of other Evangelicals holds a fundamentalist view of sin- including homosexuality according to Biblical teachings. As a matter of fact nearly half the country holds this view. So why were they 'suddenly" surprised to hear his views (when asked) about sin in general and homosexuality, drinking, philandering, and robbing?

    Indeed what is surprising to anyone in this context?

  •  I don't (0+ / 0-)

    tolerate intolerant folk.

  •  Archie Bunker Lives (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

    by kj in missouri on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 11:43:21 AM PST

  •  Are 160000 viewers enough to (1+ / 0-)
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    emyrphe

    keep that show on the air?


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 12:11:30 PM PST

  •  Ya think? (1+ / 0-)
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    Tonedevil

    "It almost seems fair to ask, as some cynics have done, if the Robertson family planned this whole thing to sell a few thousand extra duck calls to fans who have no interest in hunting ducks"

    What's cynical about that? Show business really hasn't changed much since PT Barnum. It's easy to make a buck fleecing the rubes.

  •  Contact the advertisers (1+ / 0-)
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    lyvwyr101

    Contact the advertisers and tell them you don't stand for their support for racism and bigotry.

    Phil Robertson is just another right wing bigot and racist.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the entire family is the same. Stop using religion to hide your bigotry. A typical republican coward.

    I'm from the south and have seen it all from the kkk to anything else between.

  •  Christmas has come and gone, so back to work (1+ / 0-)
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    Tonedevil

    What a coincidence.

    "I still think politics is about who's getting screwed and who's doing the screwing." -Molly Ivins

    by texaseditor on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 02:48:52 PM PST

    •  Did you compose a diary that did not appear? (1+ / 0-)
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      Unca Joseph

      Is it in your diary drafts, awaiting publication?

      If you wrote a diary and you cannot find it in your drafts, you may wish to visit the Help Desk for assistance with the problem.

      "The opposite of war isn't peace, it's CREATION." _ Jonathan Larson, RENT -9.62, -9.13

      by BeninSC on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:05:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  BeninSC: (1+ / 0-)
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        BeninSC

        Thank you for your concern . . .
        My first post which I inquired about was censored.
        I simply changed it a bit and was able to pass it through.
        I have recently left the reactionary Huff Post open blog
        due to their demand that all its members join 'Face Book'.
                            Yours, Unca Joseph

  •  Of the hirsute beings potrayed on 'Duck Dynasty'_ (0+ / 0-)

      Only a religious bigot the nature of a 'Simon Legree' would attempt to disseminate outright lies about the past evils of slavery in America.
       The attempt of these shaggy characters to prevent our fellow gay citizens from enjoying their given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as well as their sisyphean war against the ladies of America, does not only not represent "Freedom of Speech", but simply reeks of dominionist tyranny and abject creationist ignorance.
       A fool who grows a beard does not become some wise learned man or an all-knowing seer, he is still just but a fool with hair on his face . . .

  •  Publicity Stunt (0+ / 0-)

    I think it was all planned from the start as a rating booster ...

    "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstein

    by jtg on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 02:51:29 AM PST

  •  Bigotry is a moral failure. (0+ / 0-)

    "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

    by lyvwyr101 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:41:36 AM PST

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