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I have a quiz for you. Who should stay in prison longer? a person who raped your ten year
old daughter or sold your teenage son $350 worth of marijuana?Give up? I knew this was too easy. The man who sold your son the "pot" is FAR" more dangerous than a mere rape
of a minor.

Weldon Angelos was 24 when he sold a small amount of marijuana to an undercover cop.
Weldon had a gun but never used it. Federal drug laws called for a minimum 55 year sentence. The Judge was stunned when he handed down the sentence, petitions have been sent,President Obama is aware of Weldon but has yet to pardon him. Rand Paul,Senator from Kentucky has asked for his release. Senator Paul and I agree on nothing,I thought. I was wrong.

For at least 10 years,  I have purchased marijuana from people I know that grow it.
Soon it will be legal in Washington State to possess 1ounce of "pot"and more of a liquid form. Everyone I know wants it to be illegal again and just sold as medicine.
I can make a phone call and have marijuana delivered. I am nobody special,if your a certain age,a Vet who knows another Vet,you could always buy pot. I remember one time years ago,when a younger brother of the seller I knew showed up with a stranger.The stranger was flashing rolls of hundred dollar bills. He wanted me to help arrange a 2 pound sale. I laughed so hard, I had to change my pants. I calmly told him that would be illegal, and I was getting ready to call the police. I never
talked to the family again.

We now enter 2014,nearly 4,000 people are in prison for life for 3 strike non-violent
drug offenses says the Huffington Post.Martha Stewart came out of prison saying how stupid it was to have Women locked up for drug laws.

Legalize marijuana in all 50 states. Keep drugs like heroin and methamphetamine illegal. I have seen what meth and heroin can do to people,(my own son) If you sell
methamphetamine, I would put you in prison for life, and I would NEVER let you out.

Cigarettes kill over 400,000 a year.Can you imagine if ANY product in this country
was doing that to people,the uproar? The product would be banned,Senators would give speeches,Issa would hold hearings.Marijuana kills no one, and we put sellers of that product in jail.  

Recently Congress reduced   food for the poor. Now ,un-employment benefits for over
a million folks are being taken away. Republicans cry that they have no money to continue both programs. Like HELL they don't. Let all marijuana folks out of jail.  You will have plenty of money to feed people and give folks their un-employment back.

 

Originally posted to Vet 65 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 06:57 PM PST.

Also republished by DKos Cannabis Law and Drug War Reform and Community Spotlight.

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    •  reflectionsv37 (15+ / 0-)

      I read that article twice. I signed the petition.The story is true,
      I have stories about 6 other men just as bad, The hypocrisy in
      our Country is numbing.
      Thanks for your message
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:03:25 PM PST

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      •  Can you link the story (8+ / 0-)

        and the petition? Pretty please?
        Thanks!

      •  55 years? I can't seem to bring this up without (6+ / 0-)

        flak coming in from the lawyers on here for whatever rationale, but I was once caught up in a "reverse sting" by police buying pot from them. I was no dealer, I just knew where to get it and friends who wanted it did not.
           Every so often we'd pool our money to get a better deal and everyone was happy. What I was buying that time was 2 lbs. What I didn't know was that the police had individually bagged up all of it in ounces, 32 convenient packages. Those were all placed inside of a brown paper grocery bag.
           The moment this grocery bag was placed in my hand I became this heinous criminal charged with 33 counts of possession with intent to distribute.
           Had the entire amount been as I meant it to be purchased as I would have been facing one count of marijuana possession over bulk amount.
           What was the difference?
           For starters it enabled them to seize my vehicle, property and bank accounts.
           That made it impossible to hire a REALattorney and thus stuck me with the infamous public defender- whom I discovered years later was the one of the prosecutors campaign manager for his run for US Senate (he is now Attorney General of that same state) No conflict there. No, Not at all...but I digress...
            The maximum sentence I could have received for the felony possession was 2-5 years.
           The plea bargain this wanna-be-pretend lawyer conjured up with said prosecutor, should one choose to call it that, or him an attorney, was 3 years per count to be served consecutively, 99 years.
           A fool who has himself for a lawyer...
           I ended up with a 3 year sentence, fool that I am and lawyer I am not.
           Irregardless of the difference in sentencing. any sentence for weed is too much, it is ALWAYSa life sentence, don't ever forget that- I cannot work for anyone but myself doing what I do but also cannot hold a license to do what I do for a living as a result. I cannot bid on ANY government contracts doing what I do for a living as a result. I have problems with bonding and insurance as a result, disqualifying me from taking on most of the jobs doing what it is I do for a living. Since 9/11 I can no longer travel to many countries as a result. I cannot do volunteer work, mentor kids, help the elderly or children in any official organized charity due to my conviction- no many how many years have passed.
           In Florida the medical marijuana spiel is currently taking place, petitions are out in an effort to get it placed on our ballot here.
           To be honest, I hate the entire medical marijuana farce, Id never support or vote for it nor do I nor will I ever support "decriminalization" for the same reasoning- it is a bright shiny object, a red herring and a total farce to me. As long as one can still be discriminated for using pot, as long as an employer can fire you for not passing a piss test, as long as a probation/parole officer can return one to prison for using pot, as long as one can lose their kids for using pot I will never support any action allowing for it.
          Talk legalization and I'd dedicate my time, money, and effort toward that goal.
           Anything less and I cannot hear you talking...
           The 55 years was due more to the gun, I can assure you, it turned a very simple charge into something rather arcane and sickening to me. Any asshole can carry a damn gun claiming no rationale for it whatsoever, protection is the #1 meme. Why should a pot dealer, someone prone to being robbed not be allowed the same means of defense as John Q. Citizen who can carry a gun and legally kill anyone with it for any perceived threat?
           If it were legal this kid wouldn't be in prison, period, whether he had a gun or not.
           As everyone knows, FloriDuh is ground zero for 95% of ALL Oxycontin found illegally sold or possessed in this entire country being prescribed. The solution to stopping it?
           Well, we are Floriduh, land of stoopid, #1 in guns, #1 in gun "accidents", stolen elections, KKK incidents, ect, so it should come as no surprise that the source of these illicit Oxycontins found in every state in this country, the doctors, face nothing regarding 'dealing'. Oh, a few have lost their license to practice, sure, but these RethuglicKKKin yahoos upped the criminal penalty for selling Oxycontin to 7 years per pill.
           Prescribe more (as one doctor did), than all doctors in California combined, face losing your license. Sell 20 of the pills he illicitly prescribed and face 140 years MANDATORY.
           If you think things will change more power to you but I have total confidence that they won't. Meanwhile we have kids doing 55 years in prison for selling pot and unfortunately, disproportionate sentencing is a reality.
           Don't forget to thank the gun lovers and the NRA for their part in lobbying for and succeeding at getting the legislation passed that is now known as 3 strikes as well as the massive prison building boom to accommodate the change in prison population as petty crimes now received much longer or life sentences.
           And the real pisser is you have idiots right here on this site that defend all of this bullshit...

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        by teabaggerssuckbalz on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:49:14 AM PST

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        •  teaaggerssucbalz (5+ / 0-)

          I read many messages here,none as powerful as yours.
          To tell you how sorry I am does you no go good . I am sorry however,and I am ashamed of the people who hurt you. I have no idea what happened to make monsters
          out of leaders in red states and people who support them.
          When you read some of my posts,I REALLY am angry. I should have never said I am Bipolar, I hope you have found some peace or will find some. I hope you found someone to love and not give these bastards any more power over you. I want to believe someday the madness
          will end in this country. The Kos Is very important in shining a light on evil. Not that I am good enogh to be paid  as a writer,(although I have) I gladly write here for free and give as much as possible.
          Please take care and remember you have friends and we
          are on your side!
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 11:12:49 AM PST

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  •  Hypocracy of alcohol... (8+ / 0-)

    Every bear or wine drinker that wants Marijuana illegal is a hypocrite. We should start vocally calling them such.

    Alcohol is the most dangerous 'natural' drug available. Anyone who drinks any level of it - belongs in prison a LOT MORE than the users and dealers of marijuana, cocaine, meth, even crack.

    But its legal.

    We proved prohibition didn't work in the 1920s... yet here we are...

    OMG, like, gag them with a multi-colored spoon. Like, ya know.

    by Jyotai on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 01:00:30 AM PST

  •  Don't use weed. But (7+ / 0-)

    I really don't disagree with anything you wrote.
    And I'm not alone.

    "I'm an atheist, thank god." - Dave Allen

    by yojimbo on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 01:52:12 AM PST

    •  It has to do with criminalizing (9+ / 0-)

      outsiders, more than any rational policy. In the 1920's, who smoked weed? Mexican immigrants, maybe some Middle Easterners, and a few early counter-culture types. Fear of marijuana closely tracks fear of those considered outsiders or corrosive of society for other reasons - immigrants in the pre WWII era, counterculture "communists" in the 50's, hippies in the 60's and 70's. More recently? "Gangstas" although racism is more reflected in the disparity in penalties associated with crack vs rock cocaine. But as a society, we tend to approve of or at least acquiesce to really punitive measures for non-conforming behavior even if similar behavior is more dangerous to the individual, but is culturally acceptable - thus the disparity in alcohol vs pot.

      It's nuts. I'm a standard issue, outwardly conforming, responsible middle-aged white male. It happens that I don't really like beer or wine all that much - and that I dislike the sense of muscle weakness that comes with even one beer. So while I am not a recovering alcoholic or an abstainer for other reasons, alcohol is not my drug of choice. If it were legal, I would be one among many who would occasionally use a little pot under circumstances that would endanger nobody. I simply prefer it to the culturally-approved substance.  But while in the US, I don't use it - because I neither want legal trouble nor want to place others at risk. It's really quite insane to criminalize weed. It's always been a less important issue to me, because I get on fine without using any psychoactive substances... But as a liberty and equality issue, continued prohibition is starting to seem more and more outrageous.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 04:41:13 AM PST

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      •  ivorybill (2+ / 0-)
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        I have never smoked one "joint" in my life. I am addicted
        to running and I cant imagine hurting my lungs. I have never seen any difference between marijuania and cigaretts,I had a friend go to prison for 4 years for selling
        6 pounds of pot. He is white. We get better deals than people of color.

        Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

        by Vet63 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 11:39:56 AM PST

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    •  Yojimbo (0+ / 0-)

      Thank you so much foe those nice words.
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 11:33:18 AM PST

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  •  In the culture of obedience, the highest (7+ / 0-)

    priority is placed on obedience. Compliance is what counts. But, as happens with all virtues, which are voluntary acts, is that when they are coerced, they are converted into vice.
    Coerced obedience is abusive. But, to have a culture of obedience, it has to be coerced and, since obedience is a natural behavior, the coerced variety has to be un-natural. In other words, in the culture of obedience, the demands are, per force, irrational.
    Think of it as the difference between being offered a grape and being told to swallow a live goldfish. Eating a grape would not provide evidence of compliance; swallowing a goldfish does. Compliance involves unpleasant, if not injurious, behavior.
    The state attempting to control what people inhale, ingest, inject or excrete from their own bodies is evidence of the culture of obedience. Perverse.
    What's perhaps worse is that people fall into it quite easily and by accident. Innocent persons expect that following directions will be beneficial to them. After all, that's their first experience in the relationship with parents or initial care givers. Consequently, they are not prepared for people providing irrational direction or coercive people who wish them ill.
    Indeed, it may well be that individuals who are most cherished by their community are most vulnerable to being abused by the culture of obedience. That would account for why minority youth are targeted by the agents of law enforcement. Their innocence makes them easy pickings.

    If that's the case, consider the alternatives if the possession of some herb is no longer a legal infraction or crime. What will the culture of obedience focus on next? I think we've already seen evidence in individuals being harassed because of their clothing, hair style, demeanor and even speech patterns. Abusive behavior cannot be stopped by removing the occasion. Nor can it be stopped by the victims. If the culture of obedience is to be countered, it has to be by identifying it as abusive to begin with and ruling it out of bounds for agents of law enforcement. They have to be made to understand that they are paid to be compliant with superior directives and that citizens, who are their superiors, have no such obligation. In other words, the agents of law enforcement have no brief to exact compliance. It is their obligation to comply with the law and to respond to complaints. The agents of law enforcement have no complaint because they are paid to comply.

    Basically, it's a matter of following the proper order. Our system of justice relies on call and response. First comes the call for help; then comes the law enforcement response. However, that's the ideal. Many of our agents of law enforcement prefer to give orders under the guise of providing protection. "Crime prevention," in their book, is preferable because it is not time dependent and, I suspect, a goodly number of people hired to follow orders are people who have no internal sense of order or sequence. That is, they are inclined to follow orders precisely because they do not know of their own accord what the proper sequence is.
    Perhaps it is a matter of not having a sense of time as a linear entity. If that's missing, then the person is likely incapable of thinking ahead. Instead, such a person's actions are all in response to prompts.
    Finally, does such a person, who's got no sense of time, perceive the insistance on "being on the clock" as abusive? If so, does he seek to pass the compliance that's expect of him, and for which he is paid, on to someone else in the interest of balancing things out?

    If we are to change what cops do, we have to know why they do it.

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    by hannah on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 03:19:36 AM PST

  •  Yeah well he can forget a pardon from Obama (3+ / 0-)
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    6412093, Vet63, SmileySam

    Correcting a gross injustice vs Rush Limbaugh saying more mean things about him again? You know the answer.
    Our Pres only pardons turkeys. Because, you know, not controversial.

  •  MJ isn't as carcinogenic as Cigs, but it's still a (5+ / 0-)

    carcinogen.

    The question for those of us who advocate for legalization shouldn't be "Which is more dangerous? MJ or Cigarettes/Alcohol?"

    The question should be "Which is more dangerous, MJ, or drug cartels and gangs that make money off of its prohibition?"

    Just an aspect of the drug war that needs to be talked about.

    The question shouldn't be whether it's okay to smoke pot. The question should be whether we're okay with our cities being torn apart by violence.

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

    by OllieGarkey on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:40:28 AM PST

    •  To clarify, the tar and other stuff you get in any (3+ / 0-)

      smoke is a carcinogen.

      Campfires are bad for you, too. Any smoke you inhale isn't great for you.

      Cigs are much worse than either of those things.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:41:32 AM PST

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    •  OllieGarkey (0+ / 0-)

      I have little experience in Seattle with Gang wars fought over "pot". I'm sure it would go down. Heroin is a big
      problem where I live,along with meth although the police
      seem to be winning the war here on shutting down meth
      hoses, I think.
      Thanks for writing,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 01:37:31 PM PST

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      •  The Gangs that profit from it aren't necessarily (0+ / 0-)

        selling it, they're importing it.

        I know when I was in South Florida, MJ importation was a big money maker. Stuff from Haiti, the Bahamas. There was coke too.

        A lot of that has been shut down, but it keeps rearing its head from time to time.

        It's a cash crop for the Cartels on the US-Mexico border.

        There are other crops, true, but Legalization of MJ would be a major hit to their profits. Especially if combined with more effective drug policy.

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

        by OllieGarkey on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 06:35:30 PM PST

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        •  OllieGarkey (1+ / 0-)
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          I have no doubt another drug will replace "pot". Heroin,
          coke, meth, heroin is big in Seattle where I live.
          What do you think? should society someday legalize everything?
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 07:05:47 PM PST

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          •  Legalize some, decriminalize others, only go (0+ / 0-)

            after the big distributors and manufacturers. There are successful drug policies, and focusing on treatment, mental health, and poverty are the best ways to eliminate those kinds of blights. Law enforcement should be a minor afterthought in this sort of thing, except when it comes for training for care of the afflicted.

            An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

            by OllieGarkey on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 07:46:37 PM PST

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  •  Excellent commentary! I would only disagree (4+ / 0-)
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    bewild, 6412093, Vet63, SmileySam

    with keeping heroin illegal. I think the principle at work here should be that it is not the business of government to prohibit activities merely because they may be dangerous to the individual engaging in the activity. The choice to alter one's state of consciousness ought to be a matter of personal choice and personal responsibility, challenging as that can be.

    "Have a good time... all the time." -Viv Savage

    by The House on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 07:01:50 AM PST

    •  The House (2+ / 0-)
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      I think heroin is legal in England. I am told by my sons
      heroin is as easy to find as "pot" in Seattle. I just am not sure our society in 2014 can afford to send to rehab all the
      people who want off it. It"s hard to quit. Don't get me started about methadone.Kids sniff paint,etc. I can"t  come
      up with a world where people don't want to do stupid
      things to escape their painful reality.I wish I could.
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 01:45:22 PM PST

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      •  I've been under the impression that (1+ / 0-)
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        heroin is legal in Great Britain as a prescribed medicine.  I don't think it's legal for sale to just anyone.  

        "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

        by Calamity Jean on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:42:22 PM PST

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        •  Calamity Jean (0+ / 0-)

          I would love to see how that is working out. Can you get it
          forever? Does the doc try and lower the amount? This country is so backwards in thinking,I think it will take
          decades before we would try that here.
          Thanks the information.
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 06:53:02 AM PST

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          •  Which is a pity, because the dollar value of (1+ / 0-)
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            I think it will take decades before we would try that here.  
            enough legal prescription-grade heroin to make a very serious, high-dose addict comfortable would be $5 per day or less.  An addict could be hospitalized to establish the correct dose, then released with a prescription to live on welfare or to work at some non-critical employment at a much lower social and fiscal cost than imprisoning them and fighting the crimes they commit for drug money.  But that makes too much sense.  

            More information, from Europe and Canada:

            http://stopthedrugwar.org/...

            http://www.encod.org/...

            http://www.choosehelp.com/...

            http://conium.org/...

            "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

            by Calamity Jean on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 10:34:35 AM PST

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  •  Sickening (8+ / 0-)

    What else can be said?

    "Let's put human beings in little cages for smoking this weed."

    "Why?"

    "Because [redacted]. Pothead."

    "Yay authority!"

    Bleh

    "Every book is like a door"

    by Hammerhand on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:06:06 AM PST

  •  I think that if someone smoked 30-40 joints a day (1+ / 0-)
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    Vet63

    they too would get lung cancer.  And before all of you who are pro pot and attack what I wrote do some research and please provide a link for that research.  

    •  Bmeis (1+ / 0-)
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      I never said I don't like marijuania tea, rootbeer,,
      brownies, I know a lady who will make you a dinner
      that will have you laughing and smiling no matter what kind of mood you were in whehen you started dinner.
      Trust me,i its a great plant. She is a runner as well.
      Take care,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:39:02 PM PST

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  •  I have smoked pot for 45 yrs (4+ / 0-)
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    The only time I busted for it was in the late 60s when Ann Arbor made less than a oz a ticket only offence. The cop made me pour the baggie, about a 1/4oz, wrote me a ticket ,wished me a nice day and he walked away. Within 5 mins. I was able to salvage most of what I had poured in a small pile while the cop watched.

     In my 60 yrs, that was one of the few times any policeperson was polite, controlled, and just a nice person from beginning to end of our time spent near each other. No smartass remarks, no sarcasm or threats of bodily damage. When I was growing up we were taught the police were our friends. Now days a Parent is a fool if they don't warn their kids not to be stopped in a unlit or non-public location. I've come to think everyone should make sure all conversations should at least be taped, and filmed if possible.

     This country no longer resembles the one I grew up in. There are many near my age that live in disbelief of the daily corruption in both the government,local and national and in businesses. We went thru the Savings and Loan Scandal once, how it was allowed to happen again in a even worse manner can only be explained by corruption. The same should be said of the so-called war on drugs. I pity those who will have to live thru the next 30 yrs unless things change drastically and soon.

    "the government's role should be to uplift, enlighten, educate and ennoble the citizen, not oppress them with taxation and intrusive laws," Gatewood Galbraith, Historic Marijuana Advocate, aka "The Last Free Man In America," RIP 1-3-12

    by SmileySam on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 07:21:40 PM PST

    •  SmileySam (1+ / 0-)
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      SmileySam

      You and I grew up in another era.Mean,Greedy,and power
      hungry people are in charge, Time was when you could
      buy pot in the drug store. I wonder what this country will be like in 30 years. I will be in Hell,so I wont care,still......
      Take care,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 06:59:34 AM PST

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