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So I checked my email today and finally got a response to a follow up for a job I recently emailed for, and as usual, they said they found a 'candidate who was a better fit for the position.'

This is exactly why the employment situation where I live is complete and total bullshit. No matter how many jobs an employment specialist may say I'm qualified for, there's always ten more that are 'better qualified'. Once again, the miles thick glass floor rears its ugly head.

See, here's the thing: For all the help organizations like Voc Rehab claim they want to give all it seems to do is paint a target on our asses that makes it all the easier for employers to decide not to hire us. Doesn't matter how educated we are, how hard we work or whatever. If you have a disability and you don't have a driver's license, the only opportunities you'll ever have are shit wage jobs at McDonalds or Walmart, and I don't even have those due to my physical issues.

That's right. I have no hope left.

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  •  Tip Jar (37+ / 0-)

    I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

    by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 10:40:35 AM PST

  •  Not knowing anything about the circumstances... (5+ / 0-)

    ...is there any way to show the experience or training without mentioning the voc rehab on your resume?

    •  They aren't on my resume, not that it matters. (4+ / 0-)

      I have a lot of other things working against me for purely bullshit reasons (No license, for instance.).

      I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

      by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 11:21:32 AM PST

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      •  for every opening .... (6+ / 0-)

        if your applications ends up on the bottom of the pile, they might not even have read it.  

        Or, they may have already selected the applicant, and are only posting the job to comply with law.  

        You can't know, what you can know is there are not enough jobs for every qualified out of work person, and that most available jobs don't pay a living wage, and that you will be blamed for not having a job, looked down upon, it isn't your imagination.   And you are not alone, much good that does anyone.  

        We know who to blame, those that block jobs bills, but that doesn't help.

        At some point in the future it is likely that you'll look back and find some humor, but that is not today.  

        In the meantime, if you can muster the will under these depressing circumstances, hang out in a library and take on-line free classes on things that interest you, whether or not they are practically related to finding a job.  The nation is wasting your talents and skills, but don't help them out.

        •  I have plenty of programming knowledge. (7+ / 0-)

          That's something I'm always expanding upon on a daily basis, actually. It's a necessity this day and age with technology being what it is.

          I've done stuff on the side in between jobs too. I spent a couple months restoring some old photos for a family member and I might ask for his help in turning this into a job of sorts.

          Make no mistake, I'm no businessman. I'm just the guy who likes to get things done for people and do the job right the first time. It's not always possible but I try anyway.

          It's not just talent this country is wasting, it's resources in general and that's what makes my blood pressure skyrocket more than anything else.

          I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

          by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 01:27:08 PM PST

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    •  Asdf (2+ / 0-)
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      IndieGuy, Lujane

      It might not matter.

      Once your employer finds out about most illnesses that could affect job performance, they will find a way to get rid of you.

      And neither condition you listed is part of any protected class, sadly.

      Just keep looking.....

      And.....

      1, do temp work if possible

      2. Volunteer.

      The best way to tell a Democrat from a Republican is to present someone requiring food and shelter. The Democrat will want them housed and fed, even if they be faking need. The Republican will gladly see them starve until all doubt is removed.

      by GayIthacan on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 12:12:10 PM PST

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  •  And sometimes what they mean by 'better qualified' (20+ / 0-)

    is they have less experience and can be paid far less.

    When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

    by antirove on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 10:56:55 AM PST

    •  Yeah, that sums up the current economy nicely. (5+ / 0-)

      Sure, most employers could afford to pay more and still have money to burn, but this is America, where everything has to be exploited and everyone has to be for sale.

      I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

      by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 11:23:08 AM PST

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    •  Yep (5+ / 0-)

      That is basically the situation I'm in. People don't value skills and loyalty anymore. It isn't even always the choice of the employer. It has become part of the economic structure.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes! Find me on Linkedin.

      by mole333 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 01:54:04 PM PST

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      •  True: (0+ / 0-)
        It isn't even always the choice of the employer. It has become part of the economic structure.
        Your boss might want to keep you around because you're pleasant and make his job easier, but his boss's boss is looking to squeeze an extra five cents an hour from 2500 employees into his own pocket.

        I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

        by CFAmick on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 07:42:59 PM PST

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    •  Or, in the tech field, (1+ / 0-)
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      antirove

      it can mean "We found an H1B visa holder"  :(

      What antirove said can be translated to the above...

      ''The guarding of military and diplomatic secrets at the expense of informed representative government provides no real security for our Republic.'' - Justice Hugo L. Black of the Supreme Court

      by geekydee on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 06:10:16 PM PST

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  •  Hang in there. (1+ / 0-)
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    Homer177

    Things will improve, you'll see.

    The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 11:05:59 AM PST

    •  I'd love to believe that, but I live in Florida. (3+ / 0-)
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      hnichols, Lujane, Eileen B

      The area I live in is particularly depressed, economically speaking. When the shuttle program was discontinued, much of Brevard County's economy (If there was ever much of one) went with it.

      Add to that the fact that I can't leave and....

      I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

      by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 11:26:32 AM PST

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      •  There may be no jobs where you (0+ / 0-)

        live. But there are jobs out there. Some places in the country are actually experiencing labor shortages. Look up where the job market is good for your given skill set and move, at least temporarily until your hometown's job situation improves. If you've got a better plan then great. If not though it is up to you to make things happen if the local job market has left you "hopeless".

      •  See a need, fill a need... (1+ / 0-)
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        Lujane

        In that type of economy, there may be services you can provide on Craigslist, and there may be other people in a tough situation who can drive, but can't find a way to make money, that you might be able to partner with.   You might even want to look for a roommate.

        Can you watch kids after school?   Can you tutor kids who are failing their horrible standardized tests?    Do you have the abilities to repair things for people who can't afford to replace them?   There will be a lot of things being recycled in that economy   Is there some way you can enter the secondhand business?  Resale shops are a good business in a depressed economy, and you can leverage your business for online sales of small resale items, as well.   You can start by setting up stands at flea markets, and progress to getting your own location.    Since transportation is an issue, you should focus on building a business where people come to you.

      •  I don't know if your skills match up with (0+ / 0-)

        what's needed at this company but I do know that most of their employees "telecommute" and work from home, so it may at least be worth looking into:  Intridea

  •  All too familiar (7+ / 0-)

    I remember the rough time my father had looking for another job BACK IN 2004, necessitating that I drop out of college for a while they went through the assular process of getting SSDI.

    And though I graduated at last last spring, it didn't look like I would nab the sweetest job possible right away. So I looked for some part-time work in case I had to go back for another degree. And I got emails about 'finding a better candidate' all the time.

    I eventually scored the best job available to me and I've stuck with it for many months. But I will NEVER forget the lessons I learned from these experiences. It's not much, but I definitely can empathize with your plight.

  •  Entrepreneurship (2+ / 0-)
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    bleeding blue, Lujane

    I know it sounds crazy, but you might do better by making your own job.   Now that we have obamacare, there are options other than working for a corporation.    

    We have a community center here, where community members can arrange classes in the community center in whatever their abilities are.   People arrange classes to teach painting, yoga, robotics, whatever.

    You can work ebay.  Start by shopping garage sales, etc, looking for quality items that can be resold.   If you have an interest in something, expand on that, and become an expert in the valuation of some particular category of goods, whether it's rare comic books, model trains, women's shoes, whatever.   You can also set up stands at local flea markets.    If you have an artistic ability, you can create art that can be sold online or at flea markets.  And, if you have a particular interest or knowledge, you can set up a blog that is both information and sales.

    If you have programming skills, you can write apps for iphones.  If you have writing skills, you can write novels or novellettes and publish on Amazon.  

    I don't know if you have the funds for additional training, but you can seek training in crafts or skills, like carpentry, plumbing, locksmithing, etc.

    You can also seek out others who are in a similar situation, and find complementary talents, such a person who has a good sales personality or good at accounting and business management, partnering with a person who is great at fixing things.

    It takes time to build it into a business, but given all the obstacles to getting a corporate job that you've mentioned, the obstacles to creating your own job might be about the same or less.    

    •  For instance... (2+ / 0-)
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      Chi, Lujane

      I know a mother who started a childcare business when her kids were small, and it built into a successful business that she has run for the past thirty years, even now that her kids are all grown.  Some people do tutoring, or sign up for babysitting services.

      I know some people who make and sell tamales, and some others who rent a commercial kitchen every few months and create a hot sauce.  They then made deals with area restaurants, and also sell them online and at craft fairs.  And, I have another friend who started a business cleaning houses.   I have other friends that make and sell scented candles.

      I know that you have physical challenges, but some of these things, you can schedule around how you are feeling, making hot sauce.

       

  •  Also... (3+ / 0-)
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    Chi, Sparhawk, Lujane

    Have you tried the temp agencies.   I have had good luck with them at times, and some temp assignments can morph into a full-time job.  It's at least a way to get work while looking for work.

  •  The phonebook (4+ / 0-)
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    Chi, cosette, Lujane, Lily O Lady

    Yes, the phonebook.  In the olden days I had a job as a "job counselor."  Something like that.  We found jobs for people.  I would interview the candidate and then start cold-calling from the phonebook based on the candidate's history.  

    I've used this method for myself ever since.  Surprisingly, it worked well.  

    Good luck.  I have to believe things will get better.  One way or another, we have to fight for ourselves.  Don't give up.

  •  I hate those emails too. (5+ / 0-)

    And I've gotten a LOT of them.  They're all so afraid of being sued that they refuse to actually tell you why you might not have measured up, and thus give you any idea of how to improve yourself in a way that will actually land you the next similar job.  So you get generic form letters, and absolutely no indication of how to have a better chance in future, or if you're just totally wasting your time reapplying to the same company for other positions.

    •  Employers in general no longer give a shit. (3+ / 0-)
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      Jesse Douglas, VeggiElaine, Calfacon

      Yeah, I said it.

      I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

      by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 01:14:56 PM PST

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      •  Where I work, all the programmers have been (3+ / 0-)
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        Homer177, Lujane, VeggiElaine

        basically told that if our jobs can be outsourced, it will.  The reason, 'we need to be more competitive in the market'.  Yeah... now you're going gang busters for the off shore when a whole bunch of other companies have already done that and have figured out that that doesn't always save as much money as you think it will.  They've hired a company that hot seats their employees, which means that they have 3 people at that desk 24 hours a day in 3 shifts.  All of us programmer already know that this isn't going to end well for the company.....

        They want hired mercenary programmers - they've contracted with me 40 hours a week of work for x pay and benefits.  That's what you're going to get.  The 40 or so that they're laying off to out sourced positions, I do not expect a single thing from them because I've been in their position before.  They need to spend their time finding new work, while they get to 'train' their 'replacements'.  Yeah, they've been told that in order to keep their job for as long as possible, they will be expected to train their replacements and if they refuse it will be considered that they are self terminating their position with the company.  And with self termination, there is no unemployment benefits.

        They seem to think that the business analysts are money makers and programmers that actually make their insane ideas work, are interchangable parts....

        I totally get where you're coming from.  I spent 22 months unemployed and it sucked.  While I don't have an 'official' diagnosis, I wouldn't be surprised if I were told that I was on the Asperger's spectrum and have had issues with interviews and personal interactions.

        •  Unemployed for nearly 8 years... (1+ / 0-)
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          nchristine

          Save a few temp positions here or there in the last three and a half. And before starting college I'd been trying to apply for Social Security. Gave up on that after being denied 10 times in five years.

          As for the business analysts you mention, they're just white collar criminals looking to make their bank accounts fatter. That goes double for the higher ups in your company pushing for the outsourcing of your operation.

          Chances are your company has been saddled with needless debt as an excuse to sell off assets as well.

          What a disgusting country we live in.

          I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

          by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 01:49:04 PM PST

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  •  Have you joined LinkedIn? (3+ / 0-)
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    Homer177, Catte Nappe, Lujane

    It is a business networking site.   You load your career profile, and set a status indicating you are looking for work, or you have a position, etc., and then you link to all the people that you know.   Those people can give references and endorse your skills on the site.   Over time, you can build up a network of people who work at various employers in  your area, which gives you a potential foot in the door, and a reference within that organization.

    •  A lot of people have mentioned LinkedIn. (1+ / 0-)
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      Lujane

      I may give that a shot and see where it goes.

      I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

      by Homer177 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 01:29:54 PM PST

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  •  Have you tried (0+ / 0-)

    www.flexjobs.com/ or www.elance.com ? Both specialize in advertising remote style jobs.

    Elance is filled with off-shore people looking for work, but the reality I have experienced is that 90% of the work is US based and most would prefer to deal with a US based company rather than someone from India, Pakistan or Europe.

    The Ebay idea is also a good one. I had a friend who was an expert on silver and would go to garage sales as well as buy and sell online. It financed not only his day to day living expenses but a trip to the UK where I believe he still resides.

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