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Art Laffer is a Fox News regular who they always trot out to defend the failed trickle-down economic experiment. He meets Fox's requirements:   He supports taxes on poor people but not rich people. He hates the minimum wage.  He's a a con artist.  And to top it off, he's a bigot.

"The minimum wage makes so sense whatsoever to me. I mean, honestly, it's just the teenage.. the BLACK Teenage Unemployment Act"

(Link is HERE.)

I dropped my jaw when I heard that.

But if you were waiting for the Fox News bobblehead, in this case Jenna Lee, to call him out on that--you would be... not surprised.   She ignores his statement completely and instead fawns all over his  "new ideas".  She was the "moderator" of this deep intellectual discussion between two men, because Fox is fair and balanced.   On one side, you had the far rightwing nutjob.  The other was Art Laffer.

By the way, this is what other guy who wasn't Art Laffer said in response:

I certainly agree with Art that we should LOWER the minimum wage for teenagers.  I also think we should lower the minimum wage for the long-term unemployed.
I think you can all join me in saying... WHAT??

Jenna Lee played the airhead role very well, looking confused when the men were talking, complaining she needed a calculator and couldn't keep up with the discussion, and getting her basic facts wrong (no, Laffer didn't work "in different administrations"--just Reagan.  And that was one too many).  

The bottom line is that Fox and their conservative guests know their audience.  There is no subject that you can't sprinkle in some bigotry to appeal to their fears and biases.  You name it:  minimum wage, economics, immigration, gun control, etc. Heck, Megyn Kelley found a way to give a nod to bigots over freaking Santa Claus!

Fox News viewers know LESS than people who watch no news at all.  But intellectual discussions and real news were never the purpose of Fox "News".  It was always to appeal to the  Republican base by playing to their stereotypes and fanning their fears; which in turn inspires them to fight to keep the plutocracy in power.

It is my hope that in my lifetime we can one day look back on the Fox News era with the same disgust as we do the McCarthy era, and wonder in awe just how many Americans could have been so fooled.  

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    •  Apparently, it only goes to UNEMPLOYED black teens (12+ / 0-)

      Try to make sense of that!

      •  The premise is even more racist than that (6+ / 0-)

        the notion that at the current minimum wage, what employer would hire African-Americans?

        And then chortling, well, everyone could work and get off welfare (racist notion #2) if we could just get past liberals and lower the minimum wage (because paying even the stagnant level it's at is too dear a price if it means hiring 'black teenagers').

        It's that bad.

        •  Oh. So he is saying that minimum wage raises (7+ / 0-)

          unemployment for 'undesirables' (black teens and the long term unemployed)?

          What an ass.

        •  Well, is it any secret that African Americans are (4+ / 0-)

          disproportionately less educated than whites?  Or that teenagers have disproportionately less work experience?

          It therefore certainly seems likely that black teenagers are going to be disproportionately less educated and have less work experience than most other people in the workforce.

          Now, if you have a minimum wage I think it is pretty obvious that employers forced to pay more will attempt to hire more qualified workers - those with more education and more experience.

          As a less emotional example, if we passed a minimum restaurant bill law, saying that restaurants must charge at least $10 per person per meal don't you think that McDonald's would be hurt a lot more than Ruth's Chris?

          If you do a Google search on "impact of minimum wage on minority employment" you will get dozens of hits, virtually all of which make this argument, many citing various studies.

          If you are capable of wading through heavy duty economics try this link for a very good overview of the subject aimed at explaining it to people who are not experts in the area.  http://www.stanford.edu/...

          •  Also minimum wage increase (1+ / 0-)
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            can hurt small businesses and create monopolies. The big and rich corporations can afford to pay more (or find a work around). Small (specially very small) will not hire anyone if they have to pay like 15$/hr.

          •  Just because people are there to be taken (3+ / 0-)

            advantage of doesn't mean it should be legalized. That said, as a teenager working in North Carolina (in the 1980s) it was legal to pay us far less than the standard minimum wage.

            The argument you are describing is used all the time in South Africa to defend not offering a standard minimum wage (it is loosely determined by industry instead). It doesn't increase employment, it doesn't help the economy and, in the long run, it is leading to enormous and violent problems.

            •  Can you provide your cites for the claim that (0+ / 0-)

              "It doesn't increase employment, it doesn't help the economy and, in the long run, it is leading to enormous and violent problems“

              •  See: Real cuts in minimum wage over time (0+ / 0-)

                as the statutory rate is maintained but inflation happens anyway.

                I can't help but notice that wealth accumulation for the lowest quintile of American workers has slipped since the 1990s, likewise participation in the labor force, despite the real decline in minimum wage.

                Your thoughts?

                •  My thought is that the previous commenter (0+ / 0-)

                  was talking about South Africa so you are not on point.

                  In addition, I don't see the relevance of inflation or wealth accumulate to this discussion at all.

                  Finally, correlation is not causation.  For example, what do you think of the fact that autism diagnoses in the US have increased more or less in lock step with increases in sales of organic food?

                  •  Re: The relevancy of inflation (0+ / 0-)

                    You honestly can't see the connection between holding minimum wage stagnant over several years and its consequences, for employers if not for employees?

                    (Looks askance at readers.)

                    •  To the topic of this diary - the impact of (0+ / 0-)

                      minimum wage on black teenage employment rates?

                      No... I don't see the relevance of inflation.

                      •  The lesser sin is you're ignorant of the relevance (1+ / 0-)
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                        The other is that you are being obtuse.

                        Either way, I think we're grinding gears here... carry on.

                        •  No... I'm just avoiding threadjacking (0+ / 0-)

                          The diary is about the impact of the minimum wage on black employment, not about the general desirability of raising the minimum wage.

                          •  Since most of my posts are highly focused (1+ / 0-)
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                            on the impact on African American employment, you have no case.

                            With all your HR history I'd welcome you taking this up with the editors, one of whom HR'd you yesterday.

                            If you want I'll get their attention for you.

                          •  OK... then explain - what is the relevance of (0+ / 0-)

                            inflation to the impact of minimum wage on black unemployment?

                          •  Let's look at the historical figures... (1+ / 0-)
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                            In each of the listed years below, the minimum wage was RAISED.

                            The ratio of African-African unemployment to that of Whites has decreased this entire time.

                            Year    Unemp, Black    Unemp, White    Ratio Black/White
                            1978    12%    5%     2.40
                            1979    13%    5%     2.60 x
                            1980    15%    6%     2.50
                            1981    20%    8%     2.50
                            1990    12%    6%     2.00
                            1991    14%    6%     2.33 x
                            1996    10%    4%     2.50 x
                            1997    9%    4%     2.25
                            2007    8%    4%     2.00
                            2008    10%    6%     1.67
                            2009    16%    9%     1.78 x

                            "X" marks years where black/white unemployment ratio increase from prior adjustment. In three of these four instances the last increase took place the prior year, suggesting short run labor dislocations disproportionately affecting minorities do occur.

                            Yet in the long run the ratio has declined. Here is where inflation comes in:

                            The REAL value of a given minimum wage level declines over time. These adjustments do not fully account of long run changes in the consumer price index, therefore at any given wage level the cost to employers for an input of labor goes down...until the next minimum wage increase.

                            I'm stipulating there's a short run disruption in hires that disproportionately affects minorities...and demonstrating that in most instances raising the minimum wage from time to time is recapturing compensation for the worker going forward...but not all of it.

                            The scheme in place favors employers. Employers know this. All we are doing here really is negotiating... that's why they call them markets.

                            Reducing the minimum wage, something I don't know has ever been done, is unnecessary. The country has had some type of minimum wage in place since the late 1930s.

                            I suspect the Republic will survive by continuing to have one.

                          •  Interesting... so in summary I think you (0+ / 0-)

                            are saying that whenever the minimum wage increases black unemployment relative to white unemployment increases.  Then over time as the value of the minimum wage decreases due to inflation black unemployment decreases relative to white unemployment.

                            Reducing the minimum wage, something I don't know has ever been done, is unnecessary. The country has had some type of minimum wage in place since the late 1930s.
                            Maybe we should take a different approach.  Say we eliminated the minimum wage but instead had a negative income tax - but you have to work to get it.

                            Presumably this would lead to more or less full employment - anyone except the profoundly disabled is capable of delivering at least $.01 / hour of value if s/he wants to.

                            This could move many businesses that have moved offshore for cost reasons back to the US - high labor manufacturing like garment factories, etc.

                            Presumably it also would not increase our costs - we have to give people enough money to stay alive or the equivalent in food, so why not have them work for their supper?

                            And once people are in the labor force hopefully they can move up, increase their value, and get jobs that do not require the negative income tax subsidy.

                          •  The disparity by race is no longer paramount (0+ / 0-)

                            because it's fading despite minimum wage going up, up and up over the years.

                            So the thesis that high minimum wage generally hurts minorities is false on its face... though there are short-run SMALL upticks that fade back to trend just as quickly.

                            No one needs what you're proposing. There's this vast no-minimum wage, largely deregulated workshop called the Third World.

                            Companies that don't like American workplace laws have been free to do their business elsewhere, and have. That ship has sailed...and at this point there's no reason to pay companies that hurt Americans to come back, by finding yet another way to hurt Americans on their behalf.

                            It's like divorce; those companieas left us and they got the house. They're not coming back and getting the kids, too.

          •  Re: The Wendy's 3/4ths mile north of the Capitol (1+ / 0-)
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            I went to it this summer. Aside from my two boys and I, not one person in the building was white, customer or staff.

            Per Fox News regular Laffer, that Wendy's is impossible unless it's paying less than minimum wage.

            Yet I can assure you (ditto the debit on my bank card) that a lunchtime transaction took place at that locale. :)

            •  Did Laffer claim that the minimum wage means (1+ / 0-)
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              that no black teenagers get employed?

              Nope.

              So your counterexample does not seem to apply.

              •  So when Laffer said... (0+ / 0-)

                "The minimum wage makes so sense whatsoever to me. I mean, honestly, it's just the teenage.. the BLACK Teenage Unemployment Act" ...
                Pointing out a real life example of black teenagers being employed at or near minimum wage levels was inappropriate as a counterexample?

                What facts am I missing, in order to make an appropriate assessment of both Laffer's meaning and my own summertime observation?

                •  If I say that blacks in the US are still (1+ / 0-)
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                  disadvantages are Oprah and President Obama counterexamples?

                  What facts am I missing, in order to make an appropriate assessment of both Laffer's meaning and my own summertime observation?
                  You would need to find out whether minimum wage was less or more than the clearing wage without minimum wage (if it is less it has no effect).

                  Then you need to look at the population in the local area from which that Wendy's does its hiring.  For example, if it is 99% black then obviously even if blacks are disproportionately unemployed the vast majority of workers will still be black.

                  Finally, you need to find out if the Wendy's you looked at was atypical.  How does its workforce compare to the general minimum wage workforce in the area?  Maybe the owner of that Wendy's has an extremely strong affirmative action program.

  •  My God, this is so disgusting I'm wondering (8+ / 0-)

    Why this isn't a big story. This racist loser needs to be banished. And what the Fox News host do? Sit there and smile like an idiot?

  •  Hmmm.... (11+ / 0-)
    Where else would you hear such a stupid, bigoted statement?
    Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Mike Huckabee, Glenn Beck, Newt Gingrich, the Republicans in the House of Representitives, the Republicans in the Senate, Republicans, and every other mouth-breathing single-digit IQ racist, misogynist, self-entitled moran who believes if they toady the party line they will be rewarded by the Koch brothers.

    Did I mention Republicans?

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:37:16 PM PST

  •  I knew that name sounded familiar (10+ / 0-)

    This is the moran who is known for the "Laffer curve" which out of thin air "proves" that lowering taxes on the rich stimulates the economy. Despite 30+ years showing the exact opposite he still clings to that dogma like his life depends on it. What an ass.

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics but they all pale in comparison to conservative talking points.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:38:11 PM PST

    •  and yet still a favorite of conservatives (6+ / 0-)

      they trot him out for justification  of their version of economics just like they trot out Keith Abelow for their justification of their sick philosophies on anything psychology related... such as painting nails on a boy will make him gay, or Barack wants to help people because he has "abandonment issues", or supporting  bill O'reilly's latest crusade against texting.

      the last one was jon stewart's focus last night.  HILARIOUS!

      The Seminole Democrat
      Confronting the criminally insane who rule our state; as well as the apathy of the vast majority who let them.

      by SemDem on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:48:58 PM PST

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    •  The Frowny Face diagram.. oh, that gag. (3+ / 0-)
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      I've yet to get a Republican to say at what level is taxation (to keep things like roads, armies, etc going) optimal save for one answer: zero percent for all taxes.

      They'd rather do without. The market will provide, if it's necessary. Or God. Or Market Goddess.

  •  Polls say: (7+ / 0-)

    Majorities of southern whites, Republicans, and small business owners support minimum wage increases.

    Snark below:

    I didn't realize until Fox News pointed it out that that was because they wanted to put minority youth out of work.  I didn't think they thought minorities worked, after all with the hammock of unemployment and the free money from the welfare President, who needs work?

    Gah!  Unbelievable what living in a bubble and rejecting all empirical data which does not fit your own preconceptions does for you.

    Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

    by benamery21 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:52:37 PM PST

  •  Not only is it racist but it makes NO sense. (11+ / 0-)

    To make minimum wage, you have to be employed so how does it translate into the "Black Teenage Unemployment Act"?

    Why in God's name should minimum wage be lowered for the long-term unemployed? They are UNEMPLOYED.

    Two small huh??? moments in a much longer list.

    •  It means that the minimum wage causes (0+ / 0-)

      black teen unemployment.

      Why in God's name should minimum wage be lowered for the long-term unemployed? They are UNEMPLOYED.
      The idea is to let companies hire these people for less than minimum wage for a certain period of time to get them back into the workforce.
      •  Jeremie Willaims posted this on AATP (0+ / 0-)

        he put it best:

        You heard that right folks, while Art Laffer believes that abolishing the minimum wage for black teenagers in order to help them find jobs, Michael Strain believes that it should at least be lowered because no should ever be asked to hire one of those snotty brats and take a financial risk on them.

        - See more at: http://aattp.org/...

        The Seminole Democrat
        Confronting the criminally insane who rule our state; as well as the apathy of the vast majority who let them.

        by SemDem on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:53:25 PM PST

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  •  Evenf or Fox that's some stunning hatred n/t (7+ / 0-)

    Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

    by PsychoSavannah on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:58:12 PM PST

  •  Racist, wrong and immoral (10+ / 0-)

    At best in this idiot's mind he is doing young African Americans a favor. Its ridiculously low minimum wage or unemployment. In my mind 150 years ago, he would have defended slavery.

    How low can Faux go?  To the depths of Hell.

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    by Shockwave on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:58:44 PM PST

  •  Wish this were a surprise. n/t (6+ / 0-)
  •  There Were No Unemployed Blacks Before Lincoln! (5+ / 0-)
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    Why did he hate black people so much?

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:08:57 PM PST

  •  So a minimum wage increase will lead to high (3+ / 0-)
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    Unemployment in the Black community - that's what he's implying, basically. Racist asshole! I can't say I'm surprised.

    •  Apparently, companies in communities (1+ / 0-)
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      will drop all their in-community staff and only hire whites if the minimum wage goes up by so much as a penny.

      I DO appreciate Fox News' sudden level of concern (cough) for how much African Americans are getting paid (too much, per Fox)...

      Though by their own thesis, how come African Americans HAVE minimum wage jobs, if by their own comments AA's having minimum wage jobs is impossible?

      I think the Foxies having thought through their own BS.

      They use to at least strain to push it out. Now they use the cognitive equivalent of a colostomy bag.

  •  T & R (4+ / 0-)
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    this would make a great sig line

    It is my hope that in my lifetime we can one day look back on the Fox News era with the same disgust as we do the McCarthy era, and wonder in awe just how many Americans could have been so fooled.  
  •  It a Luntz Mashup! (1+ / 0-)
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    Amazing.  Not only did they "colorize" the minimum wage issue, but they also seem to believe that people are desperate enough to work for any amount of money.  I'd love to see one of these Fox reporters kids make minimum wage.  I'll bet their daddy would tell them to bag it until they can find a cushy job through a close personal connection.

    The fact is that the minimum wage issue and the current issue about unemployment are linked.  If minimum wages are so low, then people won't want to work for minimum wage instead of collecting unemployment because unemployment pays almost the same.  The problem is not that unemployment pays too much - nobody can live on what we pay out - it's that the minimum wage is too low - it's not a living wage that anyone can survive on with just one job.  

    It would be interesting to see a chart with the average weekly unemployment check superimposed against a chart showing average weekly salary at minimum wage.  I'd be willing to bet those two lines have become much closer since the Millennium. (and farther below the poverty line too)

    So to recap, the Republican solution is to cut the minimum wage out of mercy to the unemployed so that maybe employers will hire more people because all of a sudden it's somehow cost-effective.

    Please continue to remind your Republican friends that employers don't create jobs, demand for their products creates jobs.  There has never been a business owner who just decided to hire more people for no reason. The only reason they will hire is if they have to, to support their business activity.  No customers = no jobs.  No jobs = no money, no money = no customers.  Start wherever you want - it's the circle of [capitalist] life.  

    We need to create more customers.  Raising the minimum wage is an excellent first step.  Another good step might be to call out U.S. companies who are sitting on piles of cash to stimulate the economy by hiring people for good jobs [here in the U.S.].  I'm sure there's a tax incentive for that.  (And it's just about the only form of corporate welfare I can stomach.)

    •  heh...I am meaner than you. (1+ / 0-)
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      I think every Fox employee should be earning less than minimum wage. After all, they do less than minimum reporting.

      /snark

      English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

      by Youffraita on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:13:12 PM PST

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  •  Um. (0+ / 0-)

    So, I hate to be the one to do this but: The Minimum Wage very explicitly is a Teen Unemployment policy. At least, that was its original purpose: To prevent middle class teens from competing with adults for low-skill jobs, and lowering wages below subsistence (since middle-class teens can afford to work at wages well below subsistence).

    Morever, it is not racist to assert that it is more difficult for black teenagers to find a job than white teenagers. The reasons are several, not the least being rampant racism on the part of employers. It follows pretty directly that in theory unemployment driven by the existence of the minimum wage will fall most heavily on black teenagers. Personally, I do not think one does any sort of favor to african american teens by pretending that they are not disadvantaged in the labor market, no matter how much it satisfies you to stomp on Laffer.

    The problem with Laffer's analysis is not that it is racist. If the minimum wage were high enough to be doing what it is supposed to be doing, he would be correct: African American teens would (at least in the first order, and these guys rarely think beyond the first order) be disproportionately suffering additional unemployment.

    The problem with Laffer's analysis is that the minimum wage is no longer high enough to prevent teenagers from competing with adults for work. In fact, it is no longer high enough to even function as a minimum wage. Remember: When some clown asserts that we don't need to raise the minimum wage because "almost nobody makes that little anyway", the clown has it exactly backwards. If prevailing wages are higher than the minimum wage, that is very strong evidence that the minimum wage needs to increase.

    Which increase will indeed make it more difficult for all teenagers to find jobs (because adults will be able to afford to take those jobs); and will almost certainly make it especially difficult for african american teenagers to find jobs, because they are disadvantaged in the labor market.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:17:44 PM PST

    •  You are so full of sh*( (0+ / 0-)

      The federal minimum wage began as a bulwark against the Great Depression.  IT did NOT start as a teen unemployment "policy"

      Read up: A Brief History of the Minimum Wage - TIME http://content.time.com/...

      And if you think for a second that he said this was a"black" teen unemployment act because he was concerned about black teens and not doing race-baiting, then I have a bridge to sell you in New Jersey.

      •  You know what? (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't give one good god-damn what you or I or anyone else might speculate is Laffer's underlying motivation. The bottom line is this: African American teens are disadvantaged in the labor market (or do you actually disagree with that assertion?), and right wing economic ideology (though they delusionally fancy that it is "empirical science") explicitly argues that any increase in the minimum wage will cause the most harm at the bottom of the employment ladder. The only way for Laffer to not think in accordance with his statement would be if he denied that African American teens are disadvantaged in the labor market. No, I don't think he gives a rat's ass about AA teens, but I do think that he honestly, stupidly believes they'll be worse off with a rise in the minimum wage.

        As to the history of the minimum wage, the link you provided is behind a paywall. Perhaps you can see behind that wall, but I cannot, and I'm not going to rely on a blurb ("The federal minimum wage began as a bulwark against the Great Depression.") as evidence of much. One of the earliest attempts at a minimum wage in the US came about 30 years prior to the NLRA, and it was directed only at women and children -- in other words, people whose labor could be exploited for the lowest possible wages, because the majority of them depended on somebody else for their subsistence. Of course, if you hired one man's 17-year-old daughter and 12-year-old son at 50 cents a day, you could lay off two other men, but that was their problem, wasn't it?

        The minimum wage embedded in the NLRA was indeed aimed at problems caused by the Great Depression -- but one of the specific problems was the resurgence in child labor, paid at below-subsistence wages, as industries raced each other to the economic bottom. Prior to the NLRA, FDR had worked to set limits, either by negotiation or by force of law, on the age of employees of large enterprises. The explicit impetus was to save the jobs for the adults (principly, adult men). The NLRA codified this by setting a minimum wage that took away the primary incentive for employers to hire children and young women.

        It was not correct for me to assert that the minimum wage was aimed at keeping middle class teens from competing for jobs with adults who needed to support a family. This is something I now realize that I have misunderstood. Rather, it was aimed at keeping underclass teens from competing for jobs with adults. Either way, it was quite explicitly aimed at creating "teen unemployment" -- which was seen as desirable, at least until full employment of adult males was achieved.

        You don't have to like it, but that's the bottom line of it. Just because a conservative references race, doesn't mean the reference is motivated by racism. It doesn't even mean that the argument is invalid. Your outrage doesn't change this reality. Given the endless supply of critiquable mendacities continually offered up by the right, frothing yourself up over a non-issue like this is a waste of your time.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:01:58 PM PST

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  •  Groups with higher unemployment (0+ / 0-)

    rates and less valuable skills have disproportionately high loss of jobs, when minimum wages are significantly increased.

    This occurs in various ways, for example, an employer may be willing to employ 5 lower productivity employees over 3 high productivity employees who match the total work of the 5, as the 5 lower productivity employees are willing to work in total for less than the 3 high productivity employees.  When a large percentage increase in minimum wage is made, the 5 lower productivity employees may no longer cost less than the high productivity 3.

    Sometimes the higher productivity 3 are more productive because of better equipment, rather than higher individual skills.

    Another important instance where only one person is needed, person X of low skill, reliability, experience, etc. is hired at today's minimum wage, but after the min wage is increased to $15/hr, person X would not be hired, but person Y of greater skill, reliability, etc. is hired instead.  In this case there is no decrease in employment and the employer pays high wages.  However, who is hired has changed.

    This is not to say that a higher minimum wage would not be a good change, it is however recognizing there is a downside to the policy change.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:26:12 PM PST

  •  He's an asshole nt (2+ / 0-)
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    Ismay, Matt Z

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:45:18 PM PST

  •  Hey waitafugginminute (0+ / 0-)

    Aren't all young black people "unemployed" already?  I mean, they're all drug dealers, gangstas, pimps and hos, isn't that what Fox Propaganda tells us?

    /snark

    Quidquid id est, timeo Republicanos et securitatem ferentes.

    by Sura 109 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:58:28 PM PST

  •  Fact is the minimum wage is lower for the long (0+ / 0-)

    term unemployed. The longer you go stale on the shelf the more lowball the offer you get on your next job.  For us it was a 25K pay cut from my husbands previous job.  But way to be sure to let those recently slipped into poverty never escape it. My country shames me.

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