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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this travesty lasted for four days?

I cannot believe none of the NJ authorities had any guts to take upon themselves and end it after the first day. The first day of confusion, I can understand. But how in the world can the Port Authority let it go for four days is beyond me.

I don't understand why the people of Fort Lee let it go on for four days.

I cannot understand how the governor's office can get a way with just disregarding any of the communications from Fort Lee. Does the governor's office have that much power that they can disregard an entire town and commuters just for spite? Really?  

The stupidity and arrogance of just that action are bad enough. But for this many people to just blindly go along with it, for four days, just overwhelms my brain.

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  •  This scandal has legs. (8+ / 0-)

    I think eventually we'll learn who knew what and when. But for now, it looks like some of the top Christie nominees at the PA were in on it...possibly the PA cops too, from one diary here. And the document dumps are ongoing, I think. Certainly I expect at least one more: if they were doing this damage from their gmail accounts, then the NSA has everything all backed up and ready for the inevitable federal subpoenas.

    Well, that's what I'm thinking, anyway. (Thanks to Snowden, we know the NSA has everything. It's just a matter of searching for it: is there the political will in the US AG's office?)

    English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

    by Youffraita on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:19:33 AM PST

    •  It's SO early (7+ / 0-)

      Hundreds of documents have only today been released, NY Path is only now vocally involved, law enforcement (federal and state) are only now examining the "crime scene."  Sure, they all may have been hoping that this would go away but it's a bit too late for that, eh!

      This will percolate for months, more officials will resign and Christie will face direct accusations from his staff, perhaps under indictment.  Staffers may go to jail and Christie may resign.

      My stake?  Schadenfreude.  I don't want him being a viable presidential candidate in 2016.

      Nobody doesn't wish he had more education.

      by john07801 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:06:51 AM PST

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      •  Oh, yeah, schadenfreude (9+ / 0-)

        is why I'm following the scandal so closely. Well, and b/c I loathe and despise Christie. I used to live in Midtown: the city needed that extra tunnel under the Hudson that he so callously red-inked. Just because: asshole.

        I'm hoping this scandal not only squelches his presidential hopes, but gets him kicked out of the governor's mansion b/c corruption.

        He's a pathetic piece of human scum. And that's a NICE way of phrasing it.

        English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

        by Youffraita on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:53:41 AM PST

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        •  I gotcha beat! (9+ / 0-)

          I lived in the NJ county where Christie was a Supervisor in the early '80s.  Back then, he was a knuckle-dragging brawler always threatening and suing his adversaries...over county issues!  What a loud-mouthed thug!

          Then, solely based on party loyalty, GWB (not the bridge) chose him as U.S. Attorney.  He jumped into his role and began prosecuting public officials (Democratic) to beat the band.

          He was the perfect anti-candidate when Jon Corzine imploded his own re-election effort and Christie found himself as the frackin' governor.  Go figure.  Now he's trying to stretch his good luck into the Presidency.  

          He has no real credentials (other than accepting the help of the federal government - in the form of the President).  And he has yet to offer any acceptability to the Tea Party.

          Bridgegate is his Waterloo.

          Nobody doesn't wish he had more education.

          by john07801 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 02:38:17 AM PST

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    •  The NSA angle is just silly. (1+ / 0-)
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      Gmail and yahoo have all of the emails from their own systems.

  •  Have you ever lost everything? (36+ / 0-)

    I'm serious. I'm not being sarcastic or mocking you or your diary in any way.

    Have you ever gone from having a job, a house, a kid in college, maybe two, a car payment, plans? Dreams?

    To nothing?

    You are evicted from your home. You lose your car. Your kids have to drop out of college. You imagine everybody you love hating you for letting them down and ruining their lives as you are victimized by the petty and powerful.

    The threat of it is pretty damned terrifying.

    If you are 55 years old? 49?

    People have committed suicide over waking up to that being their new reality.

    This is an age of pretty damn terrifying. Public employees who have worked for twenty or thirty years to get where they are getting shitcanned and having no backup plan or clue as to what to do next.

    I think that is the key to why this incredibly petty play was able to go on for so long.

    Chris Christie is famous for being a petty revenge-minded retaliatory public figure. You fuck with him, he fucks with you. Up to and including firing people who have no plan B to fall back on.

    His stooges and cronies obviously give you an order and you are not foolish to assume that they come down with the blessing of the Governor himself. That means you defy the order, you are potentially risking everything you have worked so hard to achieve.

    I think this explains a lot of why the people who could have stopped this didn't. Fear works.

    You cannot underestimate the power of the threat of losing everything on why people in a massive department or bureaucracy are crippled by fear and simply defer to the powerful person who can take everything away from them.

    You can, quite literally, go from having an upper middle class life that is comfortable to nothing. Most Americans are mere weeks without a paycheck away from being homeless. Out in the street.

    I'm not so sure how anybody in Fort Lee could have broken this except by going to the media and claiming that this was a conspiracy or some sort of petty political attack. But they would have no proof when they did it. It would be a hunch. They might end up being attacked for falsely accusing the Governor or the Port authority of malfeasance or abuse.

    This wasn't as easy to remedy or override as a reasonable person outside of the public systems in play might think.

    That's why what Christie's goons did was so shitty.

    “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” — Auric Goldfinger

    by LeftHandedMan on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:38:07 AM PST

  •  A: Americans are trained to tolerate traffic jams. (6+ / 0-)

    B: This was only 4 days: Americans have needlessly tolerated 80 years of marijuana being illegal and demonized for no valid reason. And the effort to keep it illegal has killed lots of people, so, no, "it's not a silly comparison".

    c: Why have Americans tolerated the vast financial robberies of Wall Street? They know where it is. Why haven't they simply marched down there and taken it over?

    Americans are more prone to stand in a line and do as told rather then rise up and fight clear oppression. We're "good citizens".

    We get what we tolerate.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:29:51 AM PST

    •  So you wouldn't mind if the Governor of your state (0+ / 0-)

      Added a two hour delay to your work commute for political purposes?

      •  Please explain to me in relative detail (3+ / 0-)
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        how you could read through that and come away with your ridiculous assessment.

        Quite an accomplishment.

        Legal means "good".
        [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

        by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:43:15 AM PST

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      •  Of course we would mind. We would bitch and (3+ / 0-)
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        scream and honk.  The point is, most people don't want to be the one who stands up.  They want someone else, anyone else, to do it, especially considering the possible consequences.  I remember an incident in my rural area a while back regarding somebody's septic system that concerned the neighbors.  After much egging, I made a call, was told there was no need for concern.  I reported back to the  neighbors who told me to call again.  I suggested all of them call as well.  That was the end of that.

      •  They didn't know that's what happened (7+ / 0-)

        I go through traffic jams all the time where I have no idea why there's a jam -- an accident that's just been cleared, a crew arriving 1 hour from now to repair a guardrail, etc. There could have been a hazmat spill on the bridge and they had to close those lanes until it was cleaned up. There are a million reasons why.

        In most places, "the Governor ordered this as petty retaliation against his political enemies" would not be the immediate go-to explanation.

        And when Foye found out, he ordered it reopened immediately. (One of the discovery questions to be pursued is why it took 4 days for him to figure out what was going on -- who was lying to him all that time?)

  •  I could understand if you asked why the (5+ / 0-)
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    NancyWH, mkor7, Catte Nappe, myboo, viral

    authorities let it go on.  That's a good question.  But to ask why

    the people of Fort Lee
    let it happen is blaming the victims.  What power do ordinary working stiffs have (aside from the ballot box)--in this and so many other situations GOP "leaders" have put us in--to stop them?  When neighborhood schools or hospitals are closed, when big industry pollutes their water, when women's rights are taken away, when Medicaid expansion is refused, when guns are allowed to proliferate, when companies are "reorganized" and jobs are eliminated, when voting rights are curtailed, when unemployment insurance runs out, and yes, when inexplicably traffic is stopped for hours, what recourse to ordinary citizens have?  The kind of power bullying leaders like Chris Christie wields leaves very little recourse for a person hoping not to lose his or her job by being four hours late.  

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 06:35:05 AM PST

  •  Since you ask, I repeat, (2+ / 0-)
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    it took Christie's people a month to line up the chessmen so that the lanes would be closed, notifying only the people necessary to carrying their scheme out.

    Foye is not a dictator; there are channels and red tape in government.

  •  "Radio silence" (4+ / 0-)
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    The mayor was calling the people he was supposed to call to address such concerns - Christie's appointees to the PA. Unfortunately they were the same people who were the instigators, and they were stonewalling and not responding. I think I heard him say in a TV interview that at some point he got desperate and called NY appointed PA members. Presumably that's when Foye found out abuot the problem, looked into it, and took action.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:12:17 AM PST

  •  It was the NJ authorities in Christie's office (0+ / 0-)

    who created the mess. Why would anybody involved in making it happen try to stop it?

    Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

    by Mokurai on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:58:25 PM PST

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