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Protestors Alex Corona (C) and David Milligan (R), partners who say they wish to get married if the Defense of Marriage Act is overturned, rally in support of gay marriage in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, March 27, 2013. For the second day run
Things are falling apart for Indiana's chief bigot, state House Speaker Brian Bosma. He's the guy who's trying to ram an extreme anti-marriage equality constitutional amendment through the state legislature. When his fellow Republicans in the judiciary committee rebelled against the amendment, Bosma yanked it from that committee and put it in a friendlier one. He figured it would sail through there, and it pretty much did. But then he hit the wall of opposition from fellow Republicans in the full House. With a 52-43 vote, the House removed the worst part of the amendment, a provision that would have banned civil unions and could have ended protections for straight, unmarried couples in civil unions. That's triggering a delay, meaning that even if both chambers of the General Assembly pass the revised amendment, it likely won't go before voters until 2016.

Goal ThermometerGetting this clause out of the amendment is a victory, but that doesn't mean that the fight is over, because Indiana Republican lawmakers still want to ban marriage equality.

"Obviously, this is a great night for our campaign, and we're extremely excited to have the second sentence taken out," said Megan Robertson, campaign director for Freedom Indiana, a coalition working against the amendment.

But, she added: "Getting rid of one bad sentence doesn't fix the whole bill."

Opponents of the measure acknowledge they still have a fierce uphill battle ahead of them. The odds of defeating what's left of the amendment remain long, and they still face the prospect of the Senate reinstating the ban on civil unions in a renewed effort to send the issue to voters in November.

The tide on this issue is turning, even among Republicans. But that is just going to make the bigots, like Bosma, more committed to using every means possible to fight it. That means our allies, like Freedom Indiana, will need all the help they can get to keep pushing back.

Let's give Freedom Indiana a hand in fighting against discrimination this week.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:59:53 AM PST

  •  The debate is going on in the IN House right now (2+ / 0-)
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    Joan McCarter, bananapouch1

    14:25 EST Live feed

    Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

    by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:26:07 AM PST

    •  Rep. Eric Turner R-Cicero (0+ / 0-)

      "Business-friendly" states have Constitutional bans. That means anti-union, anti-consumer states. No, duh!

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:27:43 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Edward DeLaney D-Indianapolis 2:35 EST (2+ / 0-)
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        Why vote for this bill, given that there is already a law in Indiana forbidding Marriage Equality? This Constitutional amendment does not protect against the Federal courts, which follow the Constitution, nor the state courts, which have made no move to overturn the statute.

        You might vote for it because you are concerned about the impact on religion. But Marriage Equality would not affect your church's teaching or practice. You wouldn't have to recognize marriages performed by other churches any more than you do now.

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:44:37 AM PST

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    •  Scott Pelath D-Michigan City (4+ / 0-)
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      We have not defused this bomb, we have just placed a longer fuse on it.
      Rebuts Turner:
      This will drive away prospective employees. This is not me saying it. It is Cummins and Eli Lilly.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:30:08 AM PST

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    •  Edward Clere R-New Albany 2:33 EST (1+ / 0-)
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      sfbob

      asks what the Federal courts will do with this amendment?

      Citing decisions requiring recognition of out-of-state same-sex marriages, which the original HJR 3 would forbid.

      This issue has been a distraction…for a long time, taking attention away…from other issues.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:34:40 AM PST

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    •  William Friend R-Macy 2:45 EST (0+ / 0-)

      The public has said that it wants to vote on Marriage Equality

      Let's not make this political. It's personal, it's in your heart.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:46:22 AM PST

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    •  Matt Pierce D-Bloomington 2:46 EST (2+ / 0-)
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      The Indiana Legislature has jumped the shark.
      Uh, oh. He invoked Nazis voting on rights of Jews. Godwin fail.

      OK. You get the idea. Dems oppose HJR 3, Republicans are split. Indiana is making itself a laughingstock.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:50:27 AM PST

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      •  Again. (sigh) (1+ / 0-)
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        Throw The Bums Out

        I wonder sometimes what rock some of my fellow hoosiers are living under.

        When you come to find how essential the comfort of a well-kept home is to the bodily strength and good conditions, to a sound mind and spirit, and useful days, you will reverence the good housekeeper as I do above artist or poet, beauty or genius.

        by Alexandra Lynch on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:09:55 PM PST

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      •  No. There are enough fighting the good fight to (0+ / 0-)

        to avoid painting the whole state with such a broad brush.  

        There are a few bigots everywhere but most Hoosier folk are decent.   I'm proud of each and ever voice that rose to be heard, even the ones mouthing nonsense.  

        Sometimes one has to go back and listen to what one said to really understand how the intolerant position demeans them as Americans and as Christians (assuming). Hopefullly enough of these moderate R's will do so.  

        They all, each and every one of them, have family members, neighbors, co-workers, friends from school who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered.  Once the issue becomes personal to them, unless they are complete asshats, most of 'em will have a change of heart.

        Every familiar voice that speaks to these unconscious incompetents, privately crying out from the darkness that ignorance has  closeted them in for so long, these are the ones that will be heard.  

         

        "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

        by jakewaters on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:42:36 PM PST

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  •  I am a bit confused here I admit (2+ / 0-)
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    I thought the Gee Oh Pee was enthralled to the interests of Big Business, which has said very clearly not to pass this.

    •  There are multiple factions (5+ / 0-)

      The Washington post did a poll on both Marriage Equality and overall political opinion.

      POLL: Tea Party Members Adamantly Oppose Marriage Equality

      Marriage Equality is a defining issue for the Religious Right, like abortion.  88% opposition.

      Tea Partiers in this poll hate it even more than the Religious Right does. I can't explain that. 94% opposition. However, this contradicts the results of some focus groups, reported at GOP civil war! Poll shows Tea Party disdains religious right and Inside the GOP: Report on focus groups with Evangelical, Tea Party, and moderate Republicans (PDF)

      Libertarians are inconsistent on this and all other issues, but many favor government not standing in the way of those who wish to marry. (Not broken out by WaPo.)

      The Country Club/Wall Street/1%/Chamber of Commerce faction just wants this issue to go away so we can go back to cutting taxes and regulations.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:12:32 PM PST

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      •  I can help a bit wth your confusion (2+ / 0-)
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        The "original" Tea Peepz were all about spending, NOT social issues - many could be described as libertarian/social moderates. The "movement" was eventually co-opted by hardline conservatives, with a strong disdain for "Teh Uppity" as well.

        I still amazed the Speaker was willing to give a huge F U to Eli Lilly?

      •  Although a lot of the sons and daughters, (0+ / 0-)

        sisters, brothers, aunts & uncles of the Country Club/Wall Street/1%/Chamber of Commerce faction quietly want to come out of the closet.

        "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

        by jakewaters on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:28:39 PM PST

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        •  And as Harvey Milk explained long ago (1+ / 0-)
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          the faster they do, the faster we can get past this nonsense. Except for teenagers who, as we have been learning in the last few years, risk being thrown out of the house into homelessness if they come out.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 05:55:34 PM PST

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          •  Cries out for a Rainbow underground railroad (0+ / 0-)

            Those are some powerfully sobering statistics.

            But there are tolerant families out there who have raised LGBT kids and families of adult gays and lesbians who are now married or in civil unions, who might be open to fostering or adopting.

            The kids on the street now didn't think they had an option.  If we get our acts together maybe we can make one for the kids who might otherwise follow.

            The answer doesn't lie in state or federal $ but in
            the love inside the hearts of those among us who accept them for who they are.

            Any volunteer railroad workers out there?

            "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

            by jakewaters on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 07:53:27 PM PST

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            •  You can contact the shelters and other (0+ / 0-)

              agencies who help these young people, and you can contact any of the LGBT rights groups that deal with the problems of coming out. Let us know if you get any of them working together.

              I'm putting my energies into education and Marriage Equality, and I am not in a position to deal with fostering teenagers. But I will help anybody who is.

              Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

              by Mokurai on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 08:32:55 PM PST

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  •  The Indiana GOP has a problem I think. (5+ / 0-)
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    It's core primary voters are adamantly opposed to the idea of gay marriage and believe that it's essential to amend Indiana's constitution to ensure that Indiana never recognizes gay marriage.  

    How they think this can actually work if the whole world is moving on, I don't know -- but these people aren't exactly rational. --- They are the voters that defeated Senator Lugar in the primary and put Richard Mourdock on the ballot in his place (just to give you an idea of how crazy they are.)

    Brian Bosma has just been trying to do the governor's bidding -- get the amendment through the General Assembly and onto the 2014 ballot.  

    I think Pence wants it on the ballot in 2014 because his constituency demands it come up for a vote, and he really doesn't want it on the ballot in 2016.  

    Probably because it would put a national spotlight on Indiana that would help the Indiana Democratic Party  fund raise, and would help drive lots of voters the GOP would prefer didn't vote to the polls to vote against  it and the party sponsoring it.

    I think that although personally he's for it, politically it's potentially unhelpful, so he's trying to limit the damage.

    It looks though like that effort may have failed. It's just been amended by the House.  Unless the Senate unamends it, and it then gets approved unamended, it cannot go on the ballot in 2014.  

    The General Assembly has to pass it twice.  If it's amended, it's only passed once.  So now we wait and see . . .

    Whatever is happening it's not helping the GOP in Indiana because public opinion is changing on this fast.  Most of Indiana is pretty goodhearted and practical, but this is definitely not the description of their core voters.

    Having this all on display could make for some interesting State level changes. Although with the way the districts are drawn now who really knows. But all of this is being cemented into the minds of young people so I doubt Indiana will continue to be the calm Republican bastion for the GOP that is has been much longer.

  •  On some level... (6+ / 0-)

    ... you almost want to see them "win" here only to face the horror of reality when the Courts knock it down.

    Here in CA, as much as Prop 8 was a horrific downer on that November evening in 2008, there is a certain mean-spirited glee that all their efforts failed, we have marriage equality in the state, and in the five years since the bigots have becoming an increasingly shrinking minority.

    Things like what happened in Minnesota, where they got "victory" only to have it turned:

    May-21-2011: Amendment 1 placed on ballot

    "Victory!"
    -Bigots

    Nov-06-2012: Voters reject Amendment 1 (52.6% No vs 47.4% Yes)

    "OMG!"
    -Bigots

    May-09-2013: House passes equality 75-59

    "Wait..."
    -Bigots

    May-13-2013: Senate passes equality 37-30

    "... what's..."
    -Bigots

    May-14-2013: Gov Dayton signs equality

    "... happening?!?!"
    -Bigots

    Aug-01-2013: Folks start getting married!

    "It's the end of times!!!"
    -Bigots

    There was a lot of stress in 2011 & 2012 over it, but that night in November was so uplifting, and the strength & resolve in the actions of 2013... it almost makes it worthwhile to see how the Good Guys shoved it right back in the face of the Bad Guys.

    Almost...  ;)

  •  This is a huge win...for everyone (3+ / 0-)
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    I suspect that moderage GOP Repubs are hoping that by 2016 the SCOTUS will have weighed in, and this hug drag on the GOP will then be over and done with.  

    This is a solid with for the GLBT community (a 2 year push in the current pro-GLBT climate in a huge win), but also for moderates in the GOP that are tired of having anti-gay rhetoric dominate the party.

    Everyone wins with this push.  Let them.

    The only losers are the ones still trying to pass it NOW NOW NOW.  Maybe Indiana will correct that in the next election.

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 02:43:29 PM PST

  •  If you'll allow me to add my own analysis (1+ / 0-)
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    jakewaters

    I did my own diary on the topic this morning...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  This issue is slipping away from them (1+ / 0-)
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    To nobody's surprise, the oppressors aren't going to handle this very gracefully or graciously. We will be treated to increasingly outlandish statements about the calamity that will befall the nation.

    Would that the Republicans were even a tenth as concerned about global climate change as they are about marriage equality.

  •  because Indiana Republican lawmakers still want to (0+ / 0-)

    ban marriage equality.

    Sounds like they're not exactly monolithic.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:28:48 PM PST

  •  Nate Silver has an interesting take. (1+ / 0-)
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    His last year's prediction stated that 49.8% of Indiana voters will support equality in 2016. Obviously if Freedom Indiana mounted a strong campaign to boot out the bigots who voted for the amendment this November, and booted out some representatives, the legislators could have second thoughts about approving the amendment again next session.

    •  Not going to happen (1+ / 0-)
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      The Senate went from 33-17 --> 37-13 back in the wave of 2010, and didn't budge in 2012.  The GOP took over the House in 2010, then expanded it from 60-40 to 69-31 in 2012.  Redistricting was wildly favorable to the GOP after the 2010 Census and those 2010 elections where they took total control of the state.

      I'm not sure how many are worried about losing elections.  They're worried about the second sentence of the Amendment:

      Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Indiana. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.

      They may be delusional enough to think the first sentence will survive SCOTUS, but enough GOP know that the second one is deader than dead.  That's really the one hang up even among some conservative GOPers.

      •  Many states have such a sentence. (0+ / 0-)

        Most states with constitutional bans on gay marriage also have civil union bans in their constitutions. NC just passed such an amendment in 2012. Freedom Indiana did a pretty good job of pointing out that the second sentence could target domestic partner benefits, and possibly even benefits given to non-married heterosexual couples, which is why even the reddest GOP legislators started having second thoughts about it.

  •  even if this passes it will get (0+ / 0-)

    trashed by the SC eventually, as gay marriages equality on legal grounds is pretty well established by this point, and we'll soon have more states permitting it than banning it.

  •  "the worst part of the amendment"? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm stoked that the bill was amended so the constitutional amendment clock starts over again.
    But I'm not clear on the argument for the anti-domestic partnership part of the amendment being "the worst part." The whole thing is equally bad.

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